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What other citizenship and currency do you believe is more valuable than the United States and the dollar?

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Citizenships? As in I'd trade the blue passport for one of them without a second thought? More or less in alphabetical order.

Anguilla
Bahamas
Bermuda
Cayman Islands
(Belonger status for these, not just naturalization as a BOTC)

Andorra
Lichtenstein
Luxembourg
Malta
Monaco
Switzerland

There's probably a few more I could add to the list if I thought about it some. If Millei actually pulls off what he proposes for Argentina, you might add that to the list. It's a heck of a strong travel document, the beef and wine are second to none, and the women are beautiful. In the end, if I'm going to end up living in a Spanish-speaking country in my twilight years, it shouldn't be Guatemala with snow.

Currency?

The Swiss for now, and BTC. The Dollar is still one of the least ugly girls at the dance, but she's sitting in the corner stuffing her face with cake and she's going to exit this decade looking like one ugly cat rancher.

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What other citizenship and currency do you believe is more valuable than the United States and the dollar?

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Citizenships? As in I'd trade the blue passport for one of them without a second thought? More or less in alphabetical order.

Anguilla
Bahamas
Bermuda
Cayman Islands
(Belonger status for these, not just naturalization as a BOTC)

Andorra
Lichtenstein
Luxembourg
Malta
Monaco
Switzerland

There's probably a few more I could add to the list if I thought about it some. If Millei actually pulls off what he proposes for Argentina, you might add that to the list. It's a heck of a strong travel document, the beef and wine are second to none, and the women are beautiful. In the end, if I'm going to end up living in a Spanish-speaking country in my twilight years, it shouldn't be Guatemala with snow.

Currency?

The Swiss for now, and BTC. The Dollar is still one of the least ugly girls at the dance, but she's sitting in the corner stuffing her face with cake and she's going to exit this decade looking like one ugly cat rancher.

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Switzerland, Austria, or New Zealand.

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And maybe some people built their lives, families, and futures around principles and opportunities not dependent upon who is in the Whitehouse.

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You can try to do that but when the national government devalues your citizenship through the mass uncontrolled immigration of unvetted, criminal, sometimes unhealthy illegal aliens and devalues the currency you earn and save in it is hard to do. If that weren't enough, legal, journalistic, and academic termites are undermining the very language we speak and exchange information in.

...and yes, the parliamentary system would be better than the constitutional system we abandoned by eliminating the ability of state legislatures select senators. This effectively put the senate for sale to the highest bidder, trading loyalty to the states for loyalty to the bribes paid by MNCs.

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Just curious. What other citizenship and currency do you believe is more valuable than the United States and the dollar?

I've been preaching on a parliamentary system for awhile. We concentrated too much authority in the executive branch.

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Oh boy. At least go with something like Luxembourg and gold, diamonds or rare goods.

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What other citizenship and currency do you believe is more valuable than the United States and the dollar?

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Citizenships? As in I'd trade the blue passport for one of them without a second thought? More or less in alphabetical order.

Anguilla
Bahamas
Bermuda
Cayman Islands
(Belonger status for these, not just naturalization as a BOTC)

Andorra
Lichtenstein
Luxembourg
Malta
Monaco
Switzerland

There's probably a few more I could add to the list if I thought about it some. If Millei actually pulls off what he proposes for Argentina, you might add that to the list. It's a heck of a strong travel document, the beef and wine are second to none, and the women are beautiful. In the end, if I'm going to end up living in a Spanish-speaking country in my twilight years, it shouldn't be Guatemala with snow.

Currency?

The Swiss for now, and BTC. The Dollar is still one of the least ugly girls at the dance, but she's sitting in the corner stuffing her face with cake and she's going to exit this decade looking like one ugly cat rancher.

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Some of you seem to be confusing tax avoidance or asset protection opportunities vs citizenship. If you didn't know, you can take advantage of those without having to sacrifice the liberties of US citizenship. Check the gun laws in some of your new potential homes as just one example, or even speech regulations.

And just a note that for all the clamoring some of you guys do about elites, well welcome to the club if these are your targets.

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And maybe some people built their lives, families, and futures around principles and opportunities not dependent upon who is in the Whitehouse.

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You can try to do that but when the national government devalues your citizenship through the mass uncontrolled immigration of unvetted, criminal, sometimes unhealthy illegal aliens and devalues the currency you earn and save in it is hard to do. If that weren't enough, legal, journalistic, and academic termites are undermining the very language we speak and exchange information in.

...and yes, the parliamentary system would be better than the constitutional system we abandoned by eliminating the ability of state legislatures select senators. This effectively put the senate for sale to the highest bidder, trading loyalty to the states for loyalty to the bribes paid by MNCs.

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A much better reform would be to repeal the 17th amendment allowing the states to choose senators, as the Founding Fathers intended, and give them back a vital check on the federal government. I do not think it will ever happen but it's a good idea.

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Some of you seem to be confusing tax avoidance or asset protection opportunities vs citizenship. If you didn't know, you can take advantage of those without having to sacrifice the liberties of US citizenship. Check the gun laws in some of your new potential homes as just one example, or even speech regulations.

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"Firearms regulation in Switzerland allows the acquisition of semi-automatic, and with a may-issue permit fully automatic firearms, by Swiss citizens and foreigners with or without permanent residence. The laws pertaining to the acquisition of firearms in Switzerland are amongst the most liberal in the world. Swiss gun laws are primarily about the acquisition of arms, and not ownership. As such a license is not required to own a gun by itself, but a shall-issue permit is required to purchase most types of firearms."

That's better than, what, a third of our states? Maybe half?

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I tend to think they are here for nefarious purposes from the beginning. Their decision to come here was not just to work, at least not all of them. The bigger question is who is helping them and why. Biden has essentially given the drug cartels control of our border, whether intentionally or not. But is the Chinese government part of the reason so many thousands of their citizens are coming? If so, why? Is Iran or some other Islamofascist regime sending thousands from the Middle East and again, why? These are very serious and legitimate questions and I do not know if anyone is even trying to answer them. Do we easily want another 9-11 because the potential exists.

Biden & our corrupt intelligence forces seem more interested in targeting Americans who disagree with any part of their radical & evil agenda.

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Our citizens still do not fully comprehend what is happening along our border.

It is an invasion.

The ramifications of which are only now beginning to be felt.

Biden has encouraged this invasion with the implied message throughout central and South America

' We will provide all of your needs. Free. '

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And yet, you're content with Biden (or whichever progressive democrat) walking right back into the White House instead of voting for the orange boogeyman, should he win the nomination.

You'll share just as much blame as the people you'll fault for voting Trump in the primary.

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This is like a child blaming the stove after being burned by it despite being told multiple times it is hot. Some lessons are learned the hard way. If people are dumb enough to support Trump at this point, what can be said?

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So who's to blame for a liberal progressive woke democrat walking back into the White House? The people that voted for Trump in the primary or the people that refuse to vote for Trump in the general?

I guess some people hate Trump more than they love America.

It's more like a child burning themselves on the stove and the parent being angry at being ignored, refuses to take the child for medical help.

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Anyone that loves America isn't casting a vote at anytime for Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

And maybe some people built their lives, families, and futures around principles and opportunities not dependent upon who is in the Whitehouse.

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lol yeah that hasnt been possible in this country in nearly 150 years. If you dont follow the new democrat/communist heterodoxy they will snuff out your life and the lives of your family in an instant. The central government can do whatever they want to you. At least in the past it wasnt always diametrically opposed to the interests of the majority of American tax payers like it is today.

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I'm not going to disagree we have some very concerning and dangerous trends, but having spent significant time in places where the Central government actually can do whatever they want to you, we've still got a ways to go. And 150 years seems like an odd time benchmark since we couldn't get away with many of the things we can today prior to that.

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Some of you seem to be confusing tax avoidance or asset protection opportunities vs citizenship. If you didn't know, you can take advantage of those without having to sacrifice the liberties of US citizenship. Check the gun laws in some of your new potential homes as just one example, or even speech regulations.

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"Firearms regulation in Switzerland allows the acquisition of semi-automatic, and with a may-issue permit fully automatic firearms, by Swiss citizens and foreigners with or without permanent residence. The laws pertaining to the acquisition of firearms in Switzerland are amongst the most liberal in the world. Swiss gun laws are primarily about the acquisition of arms, and not ownership. As such a license is not required to own a gun by itself, but a shall-issue permit is required to purchase most types of firearms."

That's better than, what, a third of our states? Maybe half?

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Switzerland isn't what it used to be for what you are thinking. It's beautiful and a wonderful if pricey place to spend time. But the war on terror tore away at its banking strengths and the Credit Suisse failure will probably be the coup de grace.

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Some of you seem to be confusing tax avoidance or asset protection opportunities vs citizenship. If you didn't know, you can take advantage of those without having to sacrifice the liberties of US citizenship. Check the gun laws in some of your new potential homes as just one example, or even speech regulations.

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"Firearms regulation in Switzerland allows the acquisition of semi-automatic, and with a may-issue permit fully automatic firearms, by Swiss citizens and foreigners with or without permanent residence. The laws pertaining to the acquisition of firearms in Switzerland are amongst the most liberal in the world. Swiss gun laws are primarily about the acquisition of arms, and not ownership. As such a license is not required to own a gun by itself, but a shall-issue permit is required to purchase most types of firearms."

That's better than, what, a third of our states? Maybe half?

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Switzerland isn't what it used to be for what you are thinking. It's beautiful and a wonderful if pricey place to spend time. But the war on terror tore away at its banking strengths and the Credit Suisse failure will probably be the coup de grace.

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Interesting

So you think the Swiss economy is going to crash ?

It's a very real possibility that the global economy will crash. If it does, it might very well make the Great Depression look like a picnic.

Israelis are not the combatant seeking genocide, that is to annihilate its opponent. That has always been the stated objective of Hamas regarding Israel & the Jews. That's why a ceasefire is idiotic: it's basically telling Israel to cease to exist and all Jews to die. In the long run, maybe Hitler did win WWII.

What do people think "from the river to the sea" means? Do they not know how to look at a map?

Actually, there was a ceasefire & Hamas violated it on October 7. There was another brief one during which some hostages were freed but Hamas violated that as well. Lesson learned by Israel (& apparently almost no one else): You cannot trust Hamas so it's foolish to negotiate with them.

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It's a very real possibility that the global economy will crash. If it does, it might very well make the Great Depression look like a picnic.

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I think you are right and I think this will precipitate the break-up of the US into a mix of anarchy/dead zones and various city states. This country is holding on by a thread. Nobody has a shared sense of identity, culture, or history anymore. We have a historic amount of debt that is now growing at exponential levels - last year the interest on debt added another trillion to the debt. And now crime has gotten so out of hand most major cities arent even reporting the data. Last year more illegal aliens entered the US than the number of new US citizens born!

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It's a very real possibility that the global economy will crash. If it does, it might very well make the Great Depression look like a picnic.

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No argument there.

Though the Swiss would probably ride through such a crisis far better than most.

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Some of you seem to be confusing tax avoidance or asset protection opportunities vs citizenship. If you didn't know, you can take advantage of those without having to sacrifice the liberties of US citizenship. Check the gun laws in some of your new potential homes as just one example, or even speech regulations.

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"Firearms regulation in Switzerland allows the acquisition of semi-automatic, and with a may-issue permit fully automatic firearms, by Swiss citizens and foreigners with or without permanent residence. The laws pertaining to the acquisition of firearms in Switzerland are amongst the most liberal in the world. Swiss gun laws are primarily about the acquisition of arms, and not ownership. As such a license is not required to own a gun by itself, but a shall-issue permit is required to purchase most types of firearms."

That's better than, what, a third of our states? Maybe half?

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Switzerland isn't what it used to be for what you are thinking. It's beautiful and a wonderful if pricey place to spend time. But the war on terror tore away at its banking strengths and the Credit Suisse failure will probably be the coup de grace.

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I don't know (doubt) if the Swiss economy will crash, but the industry that made Switzerland attractive for business has been in turmoil for some time now. I know that some of the big money from Middle Eastern sovereign funds have been fleeing for several years now. The Credit Suisse failure is putting more pressure on banking and asset disclosure regulations. So you have to look at what has made Switzerland what it is, and the impact a decline will have on the country. There's also a significant real estate bubble there.

I was merely stating what *citizenships* I found more favorable given the current state of play. Not that I'd necessarily choose to live in any of those countries on a full time basis. What you say about Switzerland's economy and primary industry is correct. I'd still take the Swiss citizenship, no questions asked.

Incidentally, one of the interesting things is most of those valuable citizenships are pretty much unobtainium for outsiders. In Switzerland, for instance, they'll be happy to give you a green card. All you have to do is move to the country, pay a lump sum of around $500,000 a year in taxes, not leave the country for more than 6 months out of any year and do so for ten years. At that point they'll *consider* naturalizing you provided you can show that you have integrated well into society (no criminal record, native language fluency, etc).

Funny how that works. Most places on earth that are nice to live in have a common thread in their immigration policy: "We've got a good thing going here. If you want to come, that will depend on your value to our society and it will be in limited numbers. If you want to stay permanently the answer varies from a flat "no" to "maybe, if you're *really* valuable to our society. But we're not letting the barbarians storm the border and wreck the good thing we have going."

I do not include Australia, New Zealand, or the EU on my list.

My only loyalties left after watching Uncle Scam's reaction to Covid, his behavior in the 2020 election, and his incessant promotion of ****** madness (among other things) are to myself, my family, my friends, and my God. The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights still mean a whole lot to me (but hey, we aren't using them anymore - didn't the Library of Congress slap a racism warning on them at some point?) The blue passport means about as much as a driver's license to me at this point. The flag? Just a multicolored ensign.

I'm over it. Blackpilled. Whatever you want to call it.

The media ignores all kinds of realities all the time: political, constitutional, economic, scientific (especially biology), social, moral, etc.

It's often entertaining to watch them meltdown when confronted with someone who won't go along with their lies.

Example:

https://notthebee.com/article/white-woman-lectures-indian-man-about-white-supremacy

It's impossible to overstate how the US, under Biden and Blinken, has done more than any other country -- by far -- to justify, defend, finance, and enable the Israeli war in Gaza.

And while most pro-Israel governments have retreated, the US remains firmer than ever: https://t.co/6uGRI2fhYX

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 9, 2024

I wonder if that's because Blinken is Jewish. Biden has zero record of being solid or reliable in his entire life. Unless, you can see he was reliably wrong on every foreign policy issue and reliably corrupt!

Dude is rocking it.

John Fetterman is doing a Bulworth in reverse. Never seen anything like it. https://t.co/DYjT6C1vZW

— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) January 11, 2024

Maybe that stroke affected him a lot more than people knew. I've never much cared for him but I'm glad to see his health is much, much better.

Rand Paul, Baylor alum
I would add 1-2 others to that list.

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Dude is rocking it.

John Fetterman is doing a Bulworth in reverse. Never seen anything like it. https://t.co/DYjT6C1vZW

— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) January 11, 2024

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It's wild to watch.

He stated off literally brain damaged…had a stroke…and now keeps getting more awesome each week lol

Someone called him Fetterman 2.0

Rep Massie bodies a CNN anchor.

“Congratulations. You read the title of the bill”.

pic.twitter.com/NPbYvxVHIu

— The Redheaded libertarian (@TRHLofficial) January 12, 2024

He wasn't questioning her intelligence but her part of the interview leads us to do that. Of more accurately, her judgment & professionalism. But what would one expect from a garbage network?

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Dude is rocking it.

John Fetterman is doing a Bulworth in reverse. Never seen anything like it. https://t.co/DYjT6C1vZW

— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) January 11, 2024

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It's wild to watch.

He stated off literally brain damaged…had a stroke…and now keeps getting more awesome each week lol

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Seriously. I love most politicians willing to be iconoclasts. Dude is seriously carving a name ... don't agree with everything but he seems genuine and honest.

From what I've seen of the new version, it's refreshing & welcome. I have to wonder, though, how far it goes. Saying some great things is wonderful but how often does he do it? We've seen several great examples in recent weeks but we're there more examples of the opposite we haven't heard about? I doubt it because that would gave bern newsworthy too (not that that always matters to the media). More importantly, does his voting now reflect his new rhetoric? I honestly don't know.

Central Gaza’s last remaining hospital out of operation. Israel wants Palestinians to leave and have better lives elsewhere, the UN wants to keep them there under these conditions. These international institutions are evil. pic.twitter.com/DRhmWiRQ6Q

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) January 13, 2024