FLBear5630 said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
boognish_bear said:
Eventually, they are going to figure out that the carrier battle groups of WW2 are in drone and missile world what the patrolling battleships of WW1 were in WW2 with aircraft and subs.
Unfortunately, given the lobbying by the MIC, that realization probably won't set in until one or more sink and hundreds die. Which will then be used by the MIC as justification for further funding and war.
I do not see the end of the Aircraft Carrier strike group, but I do see it as being an "outside" fighter supporting inside fighter land forces. For example, in the Pacific.
Using the Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and peninsular Southeast Asia as s geographic barrier. We will treat it as the Fulda Gap of the Pacific. We (us and allies) must defend this ring with land-based, expeditionary, naval, and air forces which is supported by cyber and space assets. The Carrier Strike Group fits this well in the Pacific, as do drones. But in my opinion it is the supporting piece that is not going away.
Agree, just from what I have read they will need more protection but the Carrier is not gonna go away.
China would not be spending money trying to build 4-6 of them (all diesel) if they were no longer needed.
[As of 2022, the PLAN has two active carriers, the Liaoning and Shandong, with the third, Fujian, being fitted out. Wang Yunfei, a retired PLA Navy officer and other naval experts projected that China may possess five or six aircraft carriers by the 2040s]
Yeah, I read a WW3 Novel (OK, I know it is a novel and fiction. But I read brainless stuff on the treadmill, I think enough at work) that had some interesting points on the Chinese Aircraft Carrier.
Mainly, that they will not bring their Carriers into a direct conflict with the US. They do not view them as "blue water" assets, but control of territory and mobil inland support. They reason giving was that the US has 100+ years of experience fighting with Carriers and what they did to the Japanese still resonates. The Chinese will rely on ballistic missiles and hypers to kill the Carriers. I don't know how accurate, not being a Navy guy, but it was a really interesting logic game.
pretty close to the real scenarios being played at the Pentagon. China will use land-based ordnance to force our carrier groups to stay +1000mi out in the Pacific, which poses all kinds of logistical complications for air operations.
We have responded with numerous bases in the Philippines, upgrading facilities in Japan, etc...... And Japan is also making strategic upgrade restructuring to his entire armed forces.
the chess game of WWIII is already being played. We sill have the stronger hand. Watch Marshalls, Solomans, Micronesia. We have treaties with those states and very deep cultural connections. But the leaders of those places have signed blank checks from China sitting on their desktops. If we lose any of the three, supply lines to those places you mentioned get problemmatic.
Control of the central Pacific is the key to it all. Ergo all the WWII battles fought there. One cannot project power across the Pacific without them.
