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The Islamofascist Hamas are evil and must be destroyed. Period. End of argument.

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Islam has been waging wars of conquest, enslavement, and extermination against everyone since Mohammed founded it. India, Persia, Russia, Spain, Eastern Europe, Byzantium, and our trading fleets shortly after the founding of the US (where the "shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn came from). Israel and Hamas are only the two latest snakes on the head of this millenium and a half old Hydra.

If you destroy Hamas, something else will arise as ISIS did, Al Qaida did, the Muslim Brotherhood did, the PLO did, etc. Terrorism is merely the alternative expression of Islamic ideology regarding Jihad after the formal national militaries of the Ottoman Empire were defeated.

You either find a way to live with Islam, or attack and destroy/discredit it completely like the Romans did to the Old Testament Judaism in 70 AD during the siege of Jerusalem.

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They are not getting stronger. They only exist because of outside help: Iran provides weapons while the UN, the US, Europe, etc provide "humanitarian" aid, much of which is diverted to the terrorists. The only "successes" they have ever had were in terrorist attacks such as October 7.

Actually, that's another argument for destroying the organization as much as possible.

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Without a viable agreement which reduces the misery of 2 million people crammed into the miniscule Gaza strip; perpetual warfare is assured.

Which will eventually result in the destruction of Israel as US financial and military support withers away.

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They are not getting stronger. They only exist because of outside help: Iran provides weapons while the UN, the US, Europe, etc provide "humanitarian" aid, much of which is diverted to the terrorists. The only "successes" they have ever had were in terrorist attacks such as October 7.

Actually, that's another argument for destroying the organization as much as possible.

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Without a viable agreement which reduces the misery of 2 million people crammed into the miniscule Gaza strip; perpetual warfare is assured.

Which will eventually result in the destruction of Israel as US financial and military support withers away.

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Perhaps their Muslim brothers should welcome them with open arms. Except they don't want them in their countries either.

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They are not getting stronger. They only exist because of outside help: Iran provides weapons while the UN, the US, Europe, etc provide "humanitarian" aid, much of which is diverted to the terrorists. The only "successes" they have ever had were in terrorist attacks such as October 7.

Actually, that's another argument for destroying the organization as much as possible.

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Without a viable agreement which reduces the misery of 2 million people crammed into the miniscule Gaza strip; perpetual warfare is assured.

Which will eventually result in the destruction of Israel as US financial and military support withers away.

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Perhaps their Muslim brothers should welcome them with open arms. Except they don't want them in their countries either.

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True

Their Muslim brothers realize the confined misery of the Gaza strip produces an unending supply of martyrs for their proxy wars against Israel.

I was in Lebanon in April. That is one interesting place. We stayed in Beruit, but hosts had us all over the country including the south which is Hezzbola territory . Our hosts were of the Christian variety. It is about 90-10 Muslim/Christian. We were in the south and we found out that our host paid off Hezzbo so that we could visit places that were under their control. We didn't find out till toward the end of the trip that we had security everywhere we went, but didn't know it. Just how it works. It is really sad to see what has happened to that amazing country and culture.

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They are not getting stronger. They only exist because of outside help: Iran provides weapons while the UN, the US, Europe, etc provide "humanitarian" aid, much of which is diverted to the terrorists. The only "successes" they have ever had were in terrorist attacks such as October 7.

Actually, that's another argument for destroying the organization as much as possible.

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Without a viable agreement which reduces the misery of 2 million people crammed into the miniscule Gaza strip; perpetual warfare is assured.

Which will eventually result in the destruction of Israel as US financial and military support withers away.

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Perhaps their Muslim brothers should welcome them with open arms. Except they don't want them in their countries either.

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Their Muslim brothers realize the confined misery of the Gaza strip produces an unending supply of martyrs for their proxy wars against Israel.

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Then they should have agreed to any number of alternative options they had available over the years. You could give them the entire area and if 1 Jew was in it they wouldn't be happy.

This has nothing to do with Gaza and everything to do with their hatred of Jews which would rage regardless of location.

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They are not getting stronger. They only exist because of outside help: Iran provides weapons while the UN, the US, Europe, etc provide "humanitarian" aid, much of which is diverted to the terrorists. The only "successes" they have ever had were in terrorist attacks such as October 7.

Actually, that's another argument for destroying the organization as much as possible.

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Without a viable agreement which reduces the misery of 2 million people crammed into the miniscule Gaza strip; perpetual warfare is assured.

Which will eventually result in the destruction of Israel as US financial and military support withers away.

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Perhaps their Muslim brothers should welcome them with open arms. Except they don't want them in their countries either.

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True

Their Muslim brothers realize the confined misery of the Gaza strip produces an unending supply of martyrs for their proxy wars against Israel.

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This has nothing to do with Gaza and everything to do with their hatred of Jews which would rage regardless of location.

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Possibly so.

But widespread slaughter of Gaza civilians isn't going to improve matters.

Israel will need either to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth driving the survivors into Egypt or reach some kind of settlement.

And it's unlikely Egypt will accept 2 million refugees.

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I was in Lebanon in April. That is one interesting place. We stayed in Beruit, but hosts had us all over the country including the south which is Hezzbola territory . Our hosts were of the Christian variety. It is about 90-10 Muslim/Christian. We were in the south and we found out that our host paid off Hezzbo so that we could visit places that were under their control. We didn't find out till toward the end of the trip that we had security everywhere we went, but didn't know it. Just how it works. It is really sad to see what has happened to that amazing country and culture.

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My wife is of Lebanese descent. Many of her aunts and cousins came to the US directly from Lebanon.

All are Christians; and all bemoan what has occurred in Lebanon over the last 40! years. How the Muslims forced most Christians out of the country with terror tactics. Including the kidnapping of young Christian girls.

Irregardless I envy your ability to visit the country as it has long been on my bucket list. You certainly live well.


BTW my wife tells me Beruit used to be so beautiful and cosmopolitan that it was commonly known as Paris of the Middle East. Now she feels it is not worth the risk to go.

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historian said:

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They are not getting stronger. They only exist because of outside help: Iran provides weapons while the UN, the US, Europe, etc provide "humanitarian" aid, much of which is diverted to the terrorists. The only "successes" they have ever had were in terrorist attacks such as October 7.

Actually, that's another argument for destroying the organization as much as possible.

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Without a viable agreement which reduces the misery of 2 million people crammed into the miniscule Gaza strip; perpetual warfare is assured.

Which will eventually result in the destruction of Israel as US financial and military support withers away.

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Perhaps their Muslim brothers should welcome them with open arms. Except they don't want them in their countries either.

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True

Their Muslim brothers realize the confined misery of the Gaza strip produces an unending supply of martyrs for their proxy wars against Israel.

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This has nothing to do with Gaza and everything to do with their hatred of Jews which would rage regardless of location.

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Possibly so.

But widespread slaughter of Gaza civilians isn't going to improve matters.

Israel will need either to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth driving the survivors into Egypt or reach some kind of settlement.

And it's unlikely Egypt will accept 2 million refugees.

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I agree. There is no reasonable outcome here. This is a much more complex issue than people think and whatever the outcome it's a short term solution.

You can't have a group of people who believe that the only outcome is the complete elimination of the other side and that's the only acceptable outcome for the Palestinians.

NEW: Biden says the aid convoy incident in Gaza in which dozens of Palestinians were killed will complicate negotiations over a hostage deal and a temporary ceasefire.

He also walked back his previous remarks about a possible ceasefire in Gaza by Monday. https://t.co/j3AczeTT7P

— Axios (@axios) February 29, 2024

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It's not about revenge. It's about survival. Hamas exists to destroy Israel & murder Jews. They are the genocidal force in this conflict. They must be destroyed so that they can never threaten Israel again. Israel is totally justified in their conduct of the war.

It's an existential crisis for Israel and anyone chanting "From the river to the sea" is also genocidal and not to be trusted. Anyone calling for a ceasefire on any terms other then Israel's is the same. Antisemitism is rampant, on the rise, and NEVER justified. (Harvard anyone?)

It's uncivilized and unintelligent. It's a fraudulent argument. Can I be any more emphatic?

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With respect

I don't believe killing the entire population of Gaza will insure everlasting peace for the Jewish State .

If Hamas isn't willing to reach a truce at this point ; killing another 20000-40,000 individuals probably won't matter either.

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Israel? Once again the Arabs started a military action, once again they are getting destroyed, once again they are losing territory.

This is on the Arabs. Israel gave the people corridors to leave and Hamas held them Israel said what they were going to do. At some places int the people have to stop following Hamas, which keeps getting them in worse and worse situations.

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There were some reports that Hamas was preventing the people from escaping to save their lives.

KaiBear said:

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They are not getting stronger. They only exist because of outside help: Iran provides weapons while the UN, the US, Europe, etc provide "humanitarian" aid, much of which is diverted to the terrorists. The only "successes" they have ever had were in terrorist attacks such as October 7.

Actually, that's another argument for destroying the organization as much as possible.

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Without a viable agreement which reduces the misery of 2 million people crammed into the miniscule Gaza strip; perpetual warfare is assured.

Which will eventually result in the destruction of Israel as US financial and military support withers away.

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It is impossible to negotiate with somebody who sold desire is to destroy & annihilate you. The Israelis are not stupid they will not negotiate unless they see some advantage. Unfortunately many Westerners are stupid or very duplicitous.

On the other hand, if Israel prevails in this war and destroys Hamas to a large degree they might revive and start up again later on but there will be a few years of peace in the meantime.

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I was in Lebanon in April. That is one interesting place. We stayed in Beruit, but hosts had us all over the country including the south which is Hezzbola territory . Our hosts were of the Christian variety. It is about 90-10 Muslim/Christian. We were in the south and we found out that our host paid off Hezzbo so that we could visit places that were under their control. We didn't find out till toward the end of the trip that we had security everywhere we went, but didn't know it. Just how it works. It is really sad to see what has happened to that amazing country and culture.

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My wife is of Lebanese descent. Many of her aunts and cousins came to the US directly from Lebanon.

All are Christians; and all bemoan what has occurred in Lebanon over the last 40! years. How the Muslims forced most Christians out of the country with terror tactics. Including the kidnapping of young Christian girls.

Irregardless I envy your ability to visit the country as it has long been on my bucket list. You certainly live well.


BTW my wife tells me Beruit used to be so beautiful and cosmopolitan that it was commonly known as Paris of the Middle East. Now she feels it is not worth the risk to go.

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I have been fortunate to travel all over the world, and that is in my top 3 trips. The warmth of the people, really getting to see it up close and personal. Lebanon is so beautiful. The biblical history is awesome. Somehow, our hosts got us into this small chapel that most can't access and it was the place where St. Paul and St. Peter had their last meeting. You can ski in the morning and be at the beach in the afternoon. The food...oh, the food! Great wine too! (that is why we were there). Our friends fled when all this broke out. Thankfully , most have homes in Europe, but they are so worried about their beautiful homes getting bombed. Once this settles. I'd highly recommend. I can tell you where to stay and what to do.

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They are not getting stronger. They only exist because of outside help: Iran provides weapons while the UN, the US, Europe, etc provide "humanitarian" aid, much of which is diverted to the terrorists. The only "successes" they have ever had were in terrorist attacks such as October 7.

Actually, that's another argument for destroying the organization as much as possible.

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Without a viable agreement which reduces the misery of 2 million people crammed into the miniscule Gaza strip; perpetual warfare is assured.

Which will eventually result in the destruction of Israel as US financial and military support withers away.

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Perhaps their Muslim brothers should welcome them with open arms. Except they don't want them in their countries either.

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True

Their Muslim brothers realize the confined misery of the Gaza strip produces an unending supply of martyrs for their proxy wars against Israel.

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This has nothing to do with Gaza and everything to do with their hatred of Jews which would rage regardless of location.

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Possibly so.

But widespread slaughter of Gaza civilians isn't going to improve matters.

Israel will need either to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth driving the survivors into Egypt or reach some kind of settlement.

And it's unlikely Egypt will accept 2 million refugees.

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Anyone who wants to end the "widespread slaughter of Gaza civilians" must work hard for a quick Israeli victory because that is the only way it will happen.

Egypt won't take any of the refugees. They don't want them. Nobody wants them because they are disruptive wherever they go. They don't know how to act like civilized humans. Their continued support for Hamas proved that.

genuinely insane that this is the right wing israeli reaction to the biden administration giving them literally every single thing they want with no limitations or conditions https://t.co/YniNu4XBj4

— america's lounge singer (@KrangTNelson) February 29, 2024

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It's not about revenge. It's about survival. Hamas exists to destroy Israel & murder Jews. They are the genocidal force in this conflict. They must be destroyed so that they can never threaten Israel again. Israel is totally justified in their conduct of the war.

It's an existential crisis for Israel and anyone chanting "From the river to the sea" is also genocidal and not to be trusted. Anyone calling for a ceasefire on any terms other then Israel's is the same. Antisemitism is rampant, on the rise, and NEVER justified. (Harvard anyone?)

It's uncivilized and unintelligent. It's a fraudulent argument. Can I be any more emphatic?

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With respect

I don't believe killing the entire population of Gaza will insure everlasting peace for the Jewish State .

If Hamas isn't willing to reach a truce at this point ; killing another 20000-40,000 individuals probably won't matter either.

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Israel? Once again the Arabs started a military action, once again they are getting destroyed, once again they are losing territory.

This is on the Arabs. Israel gave the people corridors to leave and Hamas held them Israel said what they were going to do. At some places int the people have to stop following Hamas, which keeps getting them in worse and worse situations.

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There were some reports that Hamas was preventing the people from escaping to save their lives.

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What have we learned about "reports"

Especially coming from that part of the world.

None of the ethnic groups over there are known for their attachment to scrupulous truthfulness

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It's not about revenge. It's about survival. Hamas exists to destroy Israel & murder Jews. They are the genocidal force in this conflict. They must be destroyed so that they can never threaten Israel again. Israel is totally justified in their conduct of the war.

It's an existential crisis for Israel and anyone chanting "From the river to the sea" is also genocidal and not to be trusted. Anyone calling for a ceasefire on any terms other then Israel's is the same. Antisemitism is rampant, on the rise, and NEVER justified. (Harvard anyone?)

It's uncivilized and unintelligent. It's a fraudulent argument. Can I be any more emphatic?

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With respect

I don't believe killing the entire population of Gaza will insure everlasting peace for the Jewish State .

If Hamas isn't willing to reach a truce at this point ; killing another 20000-40,000 individuals probably won't matter either.

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Israel? Once again the Arabs started a military action, once again they are getting destroyed, once again they are losing territory.

This is on the Arabs. Israel gave the people corridors to leave and Hamas held them Israel said what they were going to do. At some places int the people have to stop following Hamas, which keeps getting them in worse and worse situations.

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There were some reports that Hamas was preventing the people from escaping to save their lives.

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What have we learned about "reports"

Especially coming from that part of the world.

None of the ethnic groups over there are known for their attachment to scrupulous truthfulness

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Not like here where truth reigns supreme

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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It's not about revenge. It's about survival. Hamas exists to destroy Israel & murder Jews. They are the genocidal force in this conflict. They must be destroyed so that they can never threaten Israel again. Israel is totally justified in their conduct of the war.

It's an existential crisis for Israel and anyone chanting "From the river to the sea" is also genocidal and not to be trusted. Anyone calling for a ceasefire on any terms other then Israel's is the same. Antisemitism is rampant, on the rise, and NEVER justified. (Harvard anyone?)

It's uncivilized and unintelligent. It's a fraudulent argument. Can I be any more emphatic?

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With respect

I don't believe killing the entire population of Gaza will insure everlasting peace for the Jewish State .

If Hamas isn't willing to reach a truce at this point ; killing another 20000-40,000 individuals probably won't matter either.

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Israel? Once again the Arabs started a military action, once again they are getting destroyed, once again they are losing territory.

This is on the Arabs. Israel gave the people corridors to leave and Hamas held them Israel said what they were going to do. At some places int the people have to stop following Hamas, which keeps getting them in worse and worse situations.

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There were some reports that Hamas was preventing the people from escaping to save their lives.

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What have we learned about "reports"

Especially coming from that part of the world.

None of the ethnic groups over there are known for their attachment to scrupulous truthfulness

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Not like here where truth reigns supreme

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Now that is a good point.

Our government-media complex is often no better

according to US numbers, 25'000 Palestinian Women or Children have been killed by Israel

UNREAL!!! US Secty of Defense just stated under oath in his congressional testimony that Netanyahu's military has killed MORE than 25,000 women and children!!! Yes, based on US intel more than 25,000 women and CHILDREN have been killed by Netanyahu's military! pic.twitter.com/XsUQ9fEwMA

— (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) February 29, 2024

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I was in Lebanon in April. That is one interesting place. We stayed in Beruit, but hosts had us all over the country including the south which is Hezzbola territory . Our hosts were of the Christian variety. It is about 90-10 Muslim/Christian. We were in the south and we found out that our host paid off Hezzbo so that we could visit places that were under their control. We didn't find out till toward the end of the trip that we had security everywhere we went, but didn't know it. Just how it works. It is really sad to see what has happened to that amazing country and culture.

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My wife is of Lebanese descent. Many of her aunts and cousins came to the US directly from Lebanon.

All are Christians; and all bemoan what has occurred in Lebanon over the last 40! years. How the Muslims forced most Christians out of the country with terror tactics. Including the kidnapping of young Christian girls.

Irregardless I envy your ability to visit the country as it has long been on my bucket list. You certainly live well.


BTW my wife tells me Beruit used to be so beautiful and cosmopolitan that it was commonly known as Paris of the Middle East. Now she feels it is not worth the risk to go.

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I have been fortunate to travel all over the world, and that is in my top 3 trips. The warmth of the people, really getting to see it up close and personal. Lebanon is so beautiful. The biblical history is awesome. Somehow, our hosts got us into this small chapel that most can't access and it was the place where St. Paul and St. Peter had their last meeting. You can ski in the morning and be at the beach in the afternoon. The food...oh, the food! Great wine too! (that is why we were there). Our friends fled when all this broke out. Thankfully , most have homes in Europe, but they are so worried about their beautiful homes getting bombed. Once this settles. I'd highly recommend. I can tell you where to stay and what to do.

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The Lebanese women are gorgeous, or at least the ones I know here in the states.

The guys party hard, especially in Vegas or Cancun.

So far my favorite trips involved Spain, Costa Rica, New Zealand , Holland and Quebec City .


God willing will go to Lebanon someday .

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NEW: Biden says the aid convoy incident in Gaza in which dozens of Palestinians were killed will complicate negotiations over a hostage deal and a temporary ceasefire.

He also walked back his previous remarks about a possible ceasefire in Gaza by Monday. https://t.co/j3AczeTT7P

— Axios (@axios) February 29, 2024

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Have read the death toll of todays 'incident ' is 104.

If true US support for Israel is going to dry up very quickly.

This is a watershed moment.

Some big kind of revenge is likely to follow.

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NEW: Biden says the aid convoy incident in Gaza in which dozens of Palestinians were killed will complicate negotiations over a hostage deal and a temporary ceasefire.

He also walked back his previous remarks about a possible ceasefire in Gaza by Monday. https://t.co/j3AczeTT7P

— Axios (@axios) February 29, 2024

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Have read the death toll of todays 'incident ' is 104.

If true US support for Israel is going to dry up very quickly.

This is a watershed moment.

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IDF soldiers could be cooking Palestinian babies over bbq pits on live tv and nothing would change.

Both parties in DC are strangely and slavishly devoted to that Jewish supremacist state far off on the other side of the planet.

Even if our Capitol building should crumble into the ground…we would still have to support Israel. Our leaders have told us that

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God willing will go to Lebanon someday .

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Our priest is Lebanese. The food is amazing. It could be a really amazing place.

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Our priest is Lebanese. The food is amazing. It could be a really amazing place.

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Maronite Catholic?

Orthodox.

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NEW: Biden says the aid convoy incident in Gaza in which dozens of Palestinians were killed will complicate negotiations over a hostage deal and a temporary ceasefire.

He also walked back his previous remarks about a possible ceasefire in Gaza by Monday. https://t.co/j3AczeTT7P

— Axios (@axios) February 29, 2024

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Have read the death toll of todays 'incident ' is 104.

If true US support for Israel is going to dry up very quickly.

This is a watershed moment.

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IDF soldiers could be cooking Palestinian babies over bbq pits on live tv and nothing would change.

Both parties in DC are strangely and slavishly devoted to that Jewish supremacist state far off on the other side of the planet.

Even if our Capitol building should crumble into the ground…we would still have to support Israel. Our leaders have told us that

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Even one week ago I would have agreed with your assessment.

But now Biden is worried about losing the Muslim vote and Michigan with it.

In addition along with today's convoy massacre, our Secretary of Defense testified under oath that approximately 25,000 women and children have been killed in Gaza. BTW this number comes from Gaza sources but the Secretary of Defense magically decided to validate the number.

Obviously he got permission from the White House before going on record with such a dramatic statement.
So clearly Biden ( or his handlers ) are about to make a major policy shift in regards to Israel.

You should see the blank stares I get when I answer the ubiquitous question in Dixie, "where do you go to church" and answer "The Church of Antioch". Probably similar to what the expression would be if they saw a Velociraptor walking down the street. Whaaaaat? That thing from Acts still exists?

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You should see the blank stares I get when I answer the ubiquitous question in Dixie, "where do you go to church" and answer "The Church of Antioch". Probably similar to what the expression would be if they saw a Velociraptor walking down the street. Whaaaaat? That thing from Acts still exists?

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For what it's worth I have long heard the South is the most convert friendly region to orthodoxy

I'm not sure I trust anything coming out if this regime. Even if true, it's just another indictment against Hamas. Those terrorists have the blood on their hands of everyone on both sides who died in this war.

So our govt is blindly accepting Hamas propaganda? Why am I not surprised.

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I'm not sure I trust anything coming out if this regime. Even if true, it's just another indictment against Hamas. Those terrorists have the blood on their hands of everyone on both sides who died in this war.

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thats one hell of an argument, are you Netanyahus burner account?

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So our govt is blindly accepting Hamas propaganda? Why am I not surprised.

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It really doesn't matter what our government says from this point forward.

Israel insists on slaughtering Gaza civilians on a daily basis.

And long time supporters of Israel are beginning to re evaluate their long held motions of the Jewish State .