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Biden's planned call with Netanyahu this morning is expected to be tense after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in an Israeli strike.

"Biden is pissed. The temperature regarding Bibi is very high," a U.S. official says.
https://t.co/1Ri7QmX5Ro

— Axios (@axios) April 4, 2024

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Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.

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I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.

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they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.

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When have they ever?

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Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more

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Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

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Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

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I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...

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Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

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You are polishing up a long line of hundeschiesse that Jews up & suddenly all moved to Palestine. Did. Not. Happen.

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That did not happen?

[First Aliyah (1882-1903)
Between 1882 and 1903, approximately 35,000 Jews immigrated to the Ottoman Palestine, joining the pre-existing Jewish population which in 1880 numbered 20,000. The Jews immigrating arrived in groups that had been assembled, or recruited.]

[In the 1930s and 1940s, Zionist historians began to divide the next periods of immigration to Palestine into different phases, in a form which "created and presumed the unique traits of aliyah and the Zionist enterprise".[26] The currently accepted five-wave periodization was first published in Hebrew by sociologist David Gurevich in his 1944 work The Jewish Population of Palestine: Immigration, Demographic Structure and Natural Growth:[27] the First Aliyah and the Second Aliyah to Ottoman Palestine, followed by the Third, Fourth, and Fifth Aliyah to Mandatory Palestine.[27] Following Ruppin and Jacob Lestschinsky before him, Gurevich's use of the term Aliyah emphasized the ideological element of the immigration]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah#:~:text=First%20Aliyah%20(18821903),-Main%20article%3A%20First&text=Between%201882%20and%201903%2C%20approximately,had%20been%20assembled%2C%20or%20recruited.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

So the war today is a function of something that happened 150 years ago?
UNDER OTTOMAN RULE?
Muslims let more Jews into Palestine, so Hamas has to exterminate them all?
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Is that what we call a strawman argument?

No one said Hamas is allowed to exterminate anyone….nor can they even do so against a nuclear armed Israeli State.

But the point remands that the modern Israel State is the product of 20th century immigration by people who came in from other lands. (Something you seem to deny even took place)

And that since 1967 they have been militarily occupying the Palestinian land and building settlements in violation of international law

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I never saw any images of Israelis celebrating 9-11. I do have a distinct memory of Palestinians celebrating, however, although it disappeared within a relatively short time.

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Mossad was behind 9/11. There is plenty of evidence. Go read up on Urban Moving Systems and the Bush admin let them all fly out of the country a few days after 9/11. There were something like 100 Israeli spies over here and they were with the hijackers down in Florida where they were going through fheir flight school training. 9/11 was a false flag created by the Israeli Mossad to get America to war in Iraq and to carry aout the Clean Break.


"Netanyahu seems to be the main mover in America's official adoption of the 1996 white paper A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#:~:text=Netanyahu%20seems%20to%20be%20the,three%20down%2C%20two%20to%20go.

FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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historian said:

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I never saw any images of Israelis celebrating 9-11. I do have a distinct memory of Palestinians celebrating, however, although it disappeared within a relatively short time.

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Mossad was behind 9/11. There is plenty of evidence. Go read up on Urban Moving Systems and the Bush admin let them all fly out of the country a few days after 9/11. There were something like 100 Israeli spies over here and they were with the hijackers down in Florida where they were going through fheir flight school training. 9/11 was a false flag created by the Israeli Mossad to get America to war in Iraq and to carry aout the Clean Break.


"Netanyahu seems to be the main mover in America's official adoption of the 1996 white paper A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#:~:text=Netanyahu%20seems%20to%20be%20the,three%20down%2C%20two%20to%20go.

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Really, 911 Mossad false flag? Wow. You guys buy into every conspiracy theory out there. Going through the threads here, I think we have hit them all. Even Aliens.

What is it with Waco? Is there something in the water??? Another conspiracy theory...

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1. Who is this "you guys"? Muddy has his own personal views. (Views he is completely entitled to)

2. Nice dig at Waco but I can assure you the vast majority of posters on here don't live in Waco and have probably never been in the town more than 4 years in college

FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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historian said:

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I never saw any images of Israelis celebrating 9-11. I do have a distinct memory of Palestinians celebrating, however, although it disappeared within a relatively short time.

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Mossad was behind 9/11. There is plenty of evidence. Go read up on Urban Moving Systems and the Bush admin let them all fly out of the country a few days after 9/11. There were something like 100 Israeli spies over here and they were with the hijackers down in Florida where they were going through fheir flight school training. 9/11 was a false flag created by the Israeli Mossad to get America to war in Iraq and to carry aout the Clean Break.


"Netanyahu seems to be the main mover in America's official adoption of the 1996 white paper A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#:~:text=Netanyahu%20seems%20to%20be%20the,three%20down%2C%20two%20to%20go.

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Really, 911 Mossad false flag? Wow. You guys buy into every conspiracy theory out there. Going through the threads here, I think we have hit them all. Even Aliens.

What is it with Waco? Is there something in the water??? Another conspiracy theory...

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1. Who is this you guys? Muddy has his own personal views. (Views he is completely entitled to)

2. Nice dig at Waco but I can assure you the vast majority of posters on here don't live in Waco and have probably never been in the town more than 4 years in college

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"You guys" those that espouse conspiracy theories. If you don't, more power to you. For a religious, conservative school, a lot of whacked out conspiracy theories!

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You can call it whatever you want but there is plenty of evidence,. I even posted a link to the Clean Break memo which was written by Bib and a group of neocons. That was their war game plan which they carried out. They havent done Iran yet but they're currently lobbing missles in the direction of Iran. You can come back here and tell me I'm right in a year or so when America has been dragged into a war with Iran on behalf of Israel.

muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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historian said:

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I never saw any images of Israelis celebrating 9-11. I do have a distinct memory of Palestinians celebrating, however, although it disappeared within a relatively short time.

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Mossad was behind 9/11. There is plenty of evidence. Go read up on Urban Moving Systems and the Bush admin let them all fly out of the country a few days after 9/11. There were something like 100 Israeli spies over here and they were with the hijackers down in Florida where they were going through fheir flight school training. 9/11 was a false flag created by the Israeli Mossad to get America to war in Iraq and to carry aout the Clean Break.


"Netanyahu seems to be the main mover in America's official adoption of the 1996 white paper A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#:~:text=Netanyahu%20seems%20to%20be%20the,three%20down%2C%20two%20to%20go.

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Really, 911 Mossad false flag? Wow. You guys buy into every conspiracy theory out there. Going through the threads here, I think we have hit them all. Even Aliens.

What is it with Waco? Is there something in the water??? Another conspiracy theory...

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1. Who is this you guys? Muddy has his own personal views. (Views he is completely entitled to)

2. Nice dig at Waco but I can assure you the vast majority of posters on here don't live in Waco and have probably never been in the town more than 4 years in college

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"You guys" those that espouse conspiracy theories. If you don't, more power to you. For a religious, conservative school, a lot of whacked out conspiracy theories!

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You can call it whatever you want but there is plenty of evidence,. I even posted a link to the Clean Break memo which was written by Bib and a group of neocons. That was their war game plan which they carried out. They havent done Iran yet but they're currently lobbing missles in the direction of Iran. You can come back here and tell me I'm right in a year or so when America has been dragged into a war with Iran on behalf of Israel.

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You do realize when you use terms like Neocons, RINOs your credibility goes to **** and you get placed in a tinfoil hat group.

Is it really evidence or more circumstantial acts that people are connecting with string in a garage?



You really think that if what you say is true and provable, nothing will be reported? No Woodward and Bernstein would take this into the main media? Or, are they all in on it? The "Jews" in positions of power making sure it doesn't come to light?

FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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historian said:

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I never saw any images of Israelis celebrating 9-11. I do have a distinct memory of Palestinians celebrating, however, although it disappeared within a relatively short time.

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Mossad was behind 9/11. There is plenty of evidence. Go read up on Urban Moving Systems and the Bush admin let them all fly out of the country a few days after 9/11. There were something like 100 Israeli spies over here and they were with the hijackers down in Florida where they were going through fheir flight school training. 9/11 was a false flag created by the Israeli Mossad to get America to war in Iraq and to carry aout the Clean Break.


"Netanyahu seems to be the main mover in America's official adoption of the 1996 white paper A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#:~:text=Netanyahu%20seems%20to%20be%20the,three%20down%2C%20two%20to%20go.

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Really, 911 Mossad false flag? Wow. You guys buy into every conspiracy theory out there. Going through the threads here, I think we have hit them all. Even Aliens.

What is it with Waco? Is there something in the water??? Another conspiracy theory...

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1. Who is this you guys? Muddy has his own personal views. (Views he is completely entitled to)

2. Nice dig at Waco but I can assure you the vast majority of posters on here don't live in Waco and have probably never been in the town more than 4 years in college

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"You guys" those that espouse conspiracy theories. If you don't, more power to you. For a religious, conservative school, a lot of whacked out conspiracy theories!

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You can call it whatever you want but there is plenty of evidence,. I even posted a link to the Clean Break memo which was written by Bib and a group of neocons. That was their war game plan which they carried out. They havent done Iran yet but they're currently lobbing missles in the direction of Iran. You can come back here and tell me I'm right in a year or so when America has been dragged into a war with Iran on behalf of Israel.

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You do realize when you use terms like Neocons, RINOs your credibility goes to **** and you get placed in a tinfoil hat group.

Is it really evidence or more circumstantial acts that people are connecting with string in a garage?



You really think that if what you say is true and provable, nothing will be reported? No Woodward and Bernstein would take this into the main media? Or, are they all in on it? The "Jews" in positions of power making sure it doesn't come to light?

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Here yoiu go

https://www.amazon.com/Neocon-Middle-East-Policy-Assessment/dp/0976443732

Go read a book about it and give us a book report.

Neocon Middle East Policy: The Clean Break Plan Damage Assessment Paperback March 1, 2005


A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a definitive Middle East Policy strategy authored and implemented by operatives in the highest levels of the US government. There is just one problem. The plan was a strategy for Israel, not the United States of America. Neocon Middle East Policy reviews strategies and consequences of the "Clean Break" plan authored by Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith in 1996. It analyzes the core assumptions of the policy, cost of tactics that have already been implemented and discusses the likelihood others will be executed in the future. Neocon Middle East Policy then turns to the most difficult questions of all, "Can a policy crafted for a foreign government and presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu serve as a blueprint for US regional policy? At what cost in credibility, blood, treasure and American integrity? At what cost to Israel?" Neocon Middle East Policy is a must-read for anyone concerned about the convergence of US and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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historian said:

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I never saw any images of Israelis celebrating 9-11. I do have a distinct memory of Palestinians celebrating, however, although it disappeared within a relatively short time.

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Mossad was behind 9/11. There is plenty of evidence. Go read up on Urban Moving Systems and the Bush admin let them all fly out of the country a few days after 9/11. There were something like 100 Israeli spies over here and they were with the hijackers down in Florida where they were going through fheir flight school training. 9/11 was a false flag created by the Israeli Mossad to get America to war in Iraq and to carry aout the Clean Break.


"Netanyahu seems to be the main mover in America's official adoption of the 1996 white paper A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#:~:text=Netanyahu%20seems%20to%20be%20the,three%20down%2C%20two%20to%20go.

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Really, 911 Mossad false flag? Wow. You guys buy into every conspiracy theory out there. Going through the threads here, I think we have hit them all. Even Aliens.

What is it with Waco? Is there something in the water??? Another conspiracy theory...

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1. Who is this you guys? Muddy has his own personal views. (Views he is completely entitled to)

2. Nice dig at Waco but I can assure you the vast majority of posters on here don't live in Waco and have probably never been in the town more than 4 years in college

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"You guys" those that espouse conspiracy theories. If you don't, more power to you. For a religious, conservative school, a lot of whacked out conspiracy theories!

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You can call it whatever you want but there is plenty of evidence,. I even posted a link to the Clean Break memo which was written by Bib and a group of neocons. That was their war game plan which they carried out. They havent done Iran yet but they're currently lobbing missles in the direction of Iran. You can come back here and tell me I'm right in a year or so when America has been dragged into a war with Iran on behalf of Israel.

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You do realize when you use terms like Neocons, RINOs your credibility goes to **** and you get placed in a tinfoil hat group.

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But neo-cons are a real group

Just like Liberal-Conservatives and populist-conservatives

It's a verified political faction…its a real thing

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muddybrazos said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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I never saw any images of Israelis celebrating 9-11. I do have a distinct memory of Palestinians celebrating, however, although it disappeared within a relatively short time.

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Mossad was behind 9/11. There is plenty of evidence. Go read up on Urban Moving Systems and the Bush admin let them all fly out of the country a few days after 9/11. There were something like 100 Israeli spies over here and they were with the hijackers down in Florida where they were going through fheir flight school training. 9/11 was a false flag created by the Israeli Mossad to get America to war in Iraq and to carry aout the Clean Break.


"Netanyahu seems to be the main mover in America's official adoption of the 1996 white paper A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#:~:text=Netanyahu%20seems%20to%20be%20the,three%20down%2C%20two%20to%20go.

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Really, 911 Mossad false flag? Wow. You guys buy into every conspiracy theory out there. Going through the threads here, I think we have hit them all. Even Aliens.

What is it with Waco? Is there something in the water??? Another conspiracy theory...

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1. Who is this you guys? Muddy has his own personal views. (Views he is completely entitled to)

2. Nice dig at Waco but I can assure you the vast majority of posters on here don't live in Waco and have probably never been in the town more than 4 years in college

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"You guys" those that espouse conspiracy theories. If you don't, more power to you. For a religious, conservative school, a lot of whacked out conspiracy theories!

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You can call it whatever you want but there is plenty of evidence,. I even posted a link to the Clean Break memo which was written by Bib and a group of neocons. That was their war game plan which they carried out. They havent done Iran yet but they're currently lobbing missles in the direction of Iran. You can come back here and tell me I'm right in a year or so when America has been dragged into a war with Iran on behalf of Israel.

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You do realize when you use terms like Neocons, RINOs your credibility goes to **** and you get placed in a tinfoil hat group.

Is it really evidence or more circumstantial acts that people are connecting with string in a garage?



You really think that if what you say is true and provable, nothing will be reported? No Woodward and Bernstein would take this into the main media? Or, are they all in on it? The "Jews" in positions of power making sure it doesn't come to light?

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Here yoiu go

https://www.amazon.com/Neocon-Middle-East-Policy-Assessment/dp/0976443732

Go read a book about it and give us a book report.

Neocon Middle East Policy: The Clean Break Plan Damage Assessment Paperback March 1, 2005


A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a definitive Middle East Policy strategy authored and implemented by operatives in the highest levels of the US government. There is just one problem. The plan was a strategy for Israel, not the United States of America. Neocon Middle East Policy reviews strategies and consequences of the "Clean Break" plan authored by Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith in 1996. It analyzes the core assumptions of the policy, cost of tactics that have already been implemented and discusses the likelihood others will be executed in the future. Neocon Middle East Policy then turns to the most difficult questions of all, "Can a policy crafted for a foreign government and presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu serve as a blueprint for US regional policy? At what cost in credibility, blood, treasure and American integrity? At what cost to Israel?" Neocon Middle East Policy is a must-read for anyone concerned about the convergence of US and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East

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Thank you. I will. Point taken.

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boognish_bear said:

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Biden's planned call with Netanyahu this morning is expected to be tense after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in an Israeli strike.

"Biden is pissed. The temperature regarding Bibi is very high," a U.S. official says.
https://t.co/1Ri7QmX5Ro

— Axios (@axios) April 4, 2024

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Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.

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I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.

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they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.

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When have they ever?

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Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more

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Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

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Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

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I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...

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Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

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This is such a ridiculous comparison.
Mexicans already have Mexico. They're not the victims of centuries of attempted genocide. Mexicans have not been persecuted across multiple continents. Mexicans are not the victims of a recent Holocaust.

Jews were given the UN partition because the entire civilized world recognized that they did not have a truly safe place to exist on the planet.

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The were victims of a genocide some where else so they get to arrive in Palestine and take other peoples land?

And of course now occupy the West Bank in violation of international law?

Well ok

P.S.

The zionists almost picked Madagascar …

The question of where European Jews might settle had been open since the 19th century, and very different sorts of politicians and ideologues proposed the same places. The island of Madagascar, a colonial French possession off the southeast African coast in the Indian Ocean, was introduced to the discussion]









They even thought about Uganda and even Texas


[A project that had some concrete success was the Galveston scheme which contemplated the settlement of Jews in the American Southwest, in particular in Texas. The project received the assistance of Jacob Schiff, the American Jewish banker, and some 9,300 Jews arrived in that area between 1907-1914, through the Emigration Bureau of the Territorialist organization.]

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Biden's planned call with Netanyahu this morning is expected to be tense after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in an Israeli strike.

"Biden is pissed. The temperature regarding Bibi is very high," a U.S. official says.
https://t.co/1Ri7QmX5Ro

— Axios (@axios) April 4, 2024

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Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.

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I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.

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they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.

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When have they ever?

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Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more

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Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

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Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

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I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...

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Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

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This is such a ridiculous comparison.
Mexicans already have Mexico. They're not the victims of centuries of attempted genocide. Mexicans have not been persecuted across multiple continents. Mexicans are not the victims of a recent Holocaust.

Jews were given the UN partition because the entire civilized world recognized that they did not have a truly safe place to exist on the planet.

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The were victims of a genocide some where else so they get to arrive in Palestine and take other peoples land?

And of course now occupy the West Bank in violation of international law?

Well ok

P.S.

The zionists almost picked Madagascar …

The question of where European Jews might settle had been open since the 19th century, and very different sorts of politicians and ideologues proposed the same places. The island of Madagascar, a colonial French possession off the southeast African coast in the Indian Ocean, was introduced to the discussion]









They even thought about Uganda and even Texas


[A project that had some concrete success was the Galveston scheme which contemplated the settlement of Jews in the American Southwest, in particular in Texas. The project received the assistance of Jacob Schiff, the American Jewish banker, and some 9,300 Jews arrived in that area between 1907-1914, through the Emigration Bureau of the Territorialist organization.]

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So I guess when the Muslims invaded and took someone else's land, that doesn't count? Very selective of you.
Are you equally pissed off at the British for taking the land from the Ottoman empire?

Have you given away your home & property to the origin Native American tribes?

This is all BS.
Jews have lived in the land for thousands of years. Now they are the majority, and they have established a stable democracy... but according to you, they need to be expelled in favor of a backwards society that regularly commits acts of sadistic barbarism.

How about NO!

I'll side with the only free & civilized society in the region.

You can have your rapists and baby killers... sick *******.

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Biden's planned call with Netanyahu this morning is expected to be tense after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in an Israeli strike.

"Biden is pissed. The temperature regarding Bibi is very high," a U.S. official says.
https://t.co/1Ri7QmX5Ro

— Axios (@axios) April 4, 2024

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Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.

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I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.

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they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.

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When have they ever?

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Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more

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Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

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Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

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I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...

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Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

---

This is such a ridiculous comparison.
Mexicans already have Mexico. They're not the victims of centuries of attempted genocide. Mexicans have not been persecuted across multiple continents. Mexicans are not the victims of a recent Holocaust.

Jews were given the UN partition because the entire civilized world recognized that they did not have a truly safe place to exist on the planet.

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The were victims of a genocide some where else so they get to arrive in Palestine and take other peoples land?

And of course now occupy the West Bank in violation of international law?

Well ok

P.S.

The zionists almost picked Madagascar …

The question of where European Jews might settle had been open since the 19th century, and very different sorts of politicians and ideologues proposed the same places. The island of Madagascar, a colonial French possession off the southeast African coast in the Indian Ocean, was introduced to the discussion]









They even thought about Uganda and even Texas


[A project that had some concrete success was the Galveston scheme which contemplated the settlement of Jews in the American Southwest, in particular in Texas. The project received the assistance of Jacob Schiff, the American Jewish banker, and some 9,300 Jews arrived in that area between 1907-1914, through the Emigration Bureau of the Territorialist organization.]

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So I guess when the Muslims invaded and took someone else's land, that doesn't count? Very selective of you.
Are you equally pissed off at the British for taking the land from the Ottoman empire?

Have you given away your home & property to the origin Native American tribes?

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You know there were Christian Palestinians there right? It was not all Muslims.

And while I certainly don't hold to any progressive idea that land needs to be given back once a nation is established…you still have not explain why Israel gets to occupy the West Bank forever.

The international community could not be more clear…a two State solution is the only solution and the Palestinians have a right to a State in the West Bank (and Gaza) and any endless occupation or settlement actively is illegal under international law.

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Biden's planned call with Netanyahu this morning is expected to be tense after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in an Israeli strike.

"Biden is pissed. The temperature regarding Bibi is very high," a U.S. official says.
https://t.co/1Ri7QmX5Ro

— Axios (@axios) April 4, 2024

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Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.

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I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.

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they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.

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When have they ever?

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Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more

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Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

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Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

---

I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...

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Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

---

This is such a ridiculous comparison.
Mexicans already have Mexico. They're not the victims of centuries of attempted genocide. Mexicans have not been persecuted across multiple continents. Mexicans are not the victims of a recent Holocaust.

Jews were given the UN partition because the entire civilized world recognized that they did not have a truly safe place to exist on the planet.

---

The were victims of a genocide some where else so they get to arrive in Palestine and take other peoples land?

And of course now occupy the West Bank in violation of international law?

Well ok

P.S.

The zionists almost picked Madagascar …

The question of where European Jews might settle had been open since the 19th century, and very different sorts of politicians and ideologues proposed the same places. The island of Madagascar, a colonial French possession off the southeast African coast in the Indian Ocean, was introduced to the discussion]









They even thought about Uganda and even Texas


[A project that had some concrete success was the Galveston scheme which contemplated the settlement of Jews in the American Southwest, in particular in Texas. The project received the assistance of Jacob Schiff, the American Jewish banker, and some 9,300 Jews arrived in that area between 1907-1914, through the Emigration Bureau of the Territorialist organization.]

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This is all BS.
Jews have lived in the land for thousands of years. Now they are the majority, and they have established a stable democracy... but according to you, they need to be expelled .

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Did I ever say Israel did not have a right to exist or that "Jews should be expelled"? Of course not

Why do you feel the need to lie about what I have said?


PS

In 1890 there were only around 42,000 Jews living in the area. Compared to 57,000 Christians and 432,000 Muslims.

They had not been a majority in the area for 2,000 years.

They were not even the 2nd largest ethnic group…that was Arab Christians

A important historical point to keep in mind….

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

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Israeli 🇮🇱 woman can't stop smiling on 9/11

"Now they know what we deal with on a daily basis"

Funny, the Dancing Israelis said the same thing. https://t.co/qBFHME37ym pic.twitter.com/gcyBIOKmK8

— Martinez Clips (@martinez_clips) March 19, 2024

israelis were involved though. Gleeful, dancing israelis. https://t.co/96X4tXecie pic.twitter.com/OgYA0hZvwE

— Kazé (@KazeGroyp) March 21, 2024

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completely understandable, if you understand how the world works.

"Being saturated and satiated with emotion and sensation, I went to bed and slept the sleep of the saved and thankful."
--Winston Churchill, upon being told of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, knowing it meant America would be joining the war

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I don't have the exact quote handy but when Churchill learned about Pearl Harbor he concluded that he knew they would win the war.

Muslim Israelis have more rights than Muslims in any majority Muslim country.

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 6, 2024

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I never saw any images of Israelis celebrating 9-11. I do have a distinct memory of Palestinians celebrating, however, although it disappeared within a relatively short time.

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Mossad was behind 9/11. There is plenty of evidence. Go read up on Urban Moving Systems and the Bush admin let them all fly out of the country a few days after 9/11. There were something like 100 Israeli spies over here and they were with the hijackers down in Florida where they were going through fheir flight school training. 9/11 was a false flag created by the Israeli Mossad to get America to war in Iraq and to carry aout the Clean Break.


"Netanyahu seems to be the main mover in America's official adoption of the 1996 white paper A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#:~:text=Netanyahu%20seems%20to%20be%20the,three%20down%2C%20two%20to%20go.

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Mossad did 9/11? They recruited and ran UBL to build AQ and attack the twin towers, just to take out Saddam? What have you been smoking?

Why would we NOT want to "remake the strategic environment" of states full of terrorist groups who've killed thousands of Americans over several decades?

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muddybrazos said:

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Israeli 🇮🇱 woman can't stop smiling on 9/11

"Now they know what we deal with on a daily basis"

Funny, the Dancing Israelis said the same thing. https://t.co/qBFHME37ym pic.twitter.com/gcyBIOKmK8

— Martinez Clips (@martinez_clips) March 19, 2024

israelis were involved though. Gleeful, dancing israelis. https://t.co/96X4tXecie pic.twitter.com/OgYA0hZvwE

— Kazé (@KazeGroyp) March 21, 2024

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completely understandable, if you understand how the world works.

"Being saturated and satiated with emotion and sensation, I went to bed and slept the sleep of the saved and thankful."
--Winston Churchill, upon being told of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, knowing it meant America would be joining the war

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I don't have the exact quote handy but when Churchill learned about Pearl Harbor he concluded that he knew they would win the war.

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Exactly my point. He'd been begging for more American help for years. Then, Japan handed it to him on a silver platter. It would have been shocking had he not smiled, danced a little jig, poured a glass of his favorite claret, and opened up a box of his finest Cubans. I certainly would do the same.

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I never saw any images of Israelis celebrating 9-11. I do have a distinct memory of Palestinians celebrating, however, although it disappeared within a relatively short time.

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Mossad was behind 9/11. There is plenty of evidence. Go read up on Urban Moving Systems and the Bush admin let them all fly out of the country a few days after 9/11. There were something like 100 Israeli spies over here and they were with the hijackers down in Florida where they were going through fheir flight school training. 9/11 was a false flag created by the Israeli Mossad to get America to war in Iraq and to carry aout the Clean Break.


"Netanyahu seems to be the main mover in America's official adoption of the 1996 white paper A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#:~:text=Netanyahu%20seems%20to%20be%20the,three%20down%2C%20two%20to%20go.

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Mossad did 9/11? They recruited and ran UBL to build AQ and attack the twin towers, just to take out Saddam? What have you been smoking?

Why would we NOT want to "remake the strategic environment" of states full of terrorist groups who've killed thousands of Americans over several decades?

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You probably know all of this since you were in the CIA but they were definitely involved.

5 Young Israelis, Caught in Net of Suspicion

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/08/nyregion/5-young-israelis-caught-in-net-of-suspicion.html

Here is an amazon book for yoiu
https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Enigma-11-Israeli-Connection/dp/0595296823
9/11-what did the Israelis know, and when did they know it?
With information culled from mainstream sources, author Justin Raimondo shows in this eye-opening book that Israel's spies in the United States had been watching the 9/11 terrorists. As the terrorists were planning the biggest and deadliest terrorist attack in American history, Israeli agents in the U.S. were watching them 24/7-living literally "next door to Mohammed Atta," according to one account.
Did Israeli intelligence have foreknowledge of 9/11?
As one law enforcement source close to the investigation told Fox News, the real question is: how could they not have known?
But if they knew, then why didn't they tell us?

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12768362.five-israelis-were-seen-filming-as-jet-liners-ploughed-into-the-twin-towers-on-september-11-2001/

Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...

1st November 2003

THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.
Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.
Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact. To those who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day, the case raises one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America where they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the United States. And the motive? To bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: "It's very good." Then he corrected himself, adding: "Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy for Israel from Americans."

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Biden's planned call with Netanyahu this morning is expected to be tense after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in an Israeli strike.

"Biden is pissed. The temperature regarding Bibi is very high," a U.S. official says.
https://t.co/1Ri7QmX5Ro

— Axios (@axios) April 4, 2024

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Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.

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I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.

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they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.

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When have they ever?

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Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more

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Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

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Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

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I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...

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Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

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This is such a ridiculous comparison.
Mexicans already have Mexico. They're not the victims of centuries of attempted genocide. Mexicans have not been persecuted across multiple continents. Mexicans are not the victims of a recent Holocaust.

Jews were given the UN partition because the entire civilized world recognized that they did not have a truly safe place to exist on the planet.

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The were victims of a genocide some where else so they get to arrive in Palestine and take other peoples land?

And of course now occupy the West Bank in violation of international law?

Well ok

P.S.

The zionists almost picked Madagascar …

The question of where European Jews might settle had been open since the 19th century, and very different sorts of politicians and ideologues proposed the same places. The island of Madagascar, a colonial French possession off the southeast African coast in the Indian Ocean, was introduced to the discussion]









They even thought about Uganda and even Texas


[A project that had some concrete success was the Galveston scheme which contemplated the settlement of Jews in the American Southwest, in particular in Texas. The project received the assistance of Jacob Schiff, the American Jewish banker, and some 9,300 Jews arrived in that area between 1907-1914, through the Emigration Bureau of the Territorialist organization.]

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This is all BS.
Jews have lived in the land for thousands of years. Now they are the majority, and they have established a stable democracy... but according to you, they need to be expelled .

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Did I ever say Israel did not have a right to exist or that "Jews should be expelled"? Of course not

Why do you feel the need to lie about what I have said?


PS

In 1890 there were only around 42,000 Jews living in the area. Compared to 57,000 Christians and 432,000 Muslims.

They had not been a majority in the area for 2,000 years.

They were not even the 2nd largest ethnic group…that was Arab Christians

A important historical point to keep in mind….

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

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But the reality is, they are there now. And they not only outnumber everyone else combined, they have superior demographics for the future. Palestinians in Israel have full legal/political rights, and there are areas set aside for Palestinian self-rule, and a Jordanian state that is majority Palestinian (the distinction between "jordanian" and "palestinian" is quite artificial.....). Yet, still there is no peace. Is that because Israel continually attacks Palestinians, or because Palestinians refuse to accept reality and live in peace as equals with Jews. The Jews actually do that, every day, in the territory they control. It's the Palestinians who reject peace, every day, in the territories they control and beyond.

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Some interesting points.

But it still does not answer the question of how Israel can afford to keep 5.4 million Palestinians under military occupation forever?


Even Ariel Sharon 20 years ago was saying this was simply not possible long term

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boognish_bear said:

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Biden's planned call with Netanyahu this morning is expected to be tense after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in an Israeli strike.

"Biden is pissed. The temperature regarding Bibi is very high," a U.S. official says.
https://t.co/1Ri7QmX5Ro

— Axios (@axios) April 4, 2024

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Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.

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I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.

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they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.

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When have they ever?

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Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more

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Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

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Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

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I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...

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Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

---

This is such a ridiculous comparison.
Mexicans already have Mexico. They're not the victims of centuries of attempted genocide. Mexicans have not been persecuted across multiple continents. Mexicans are not the victims of a recent Holocaust.

Jews were given the UN partition because the entire civilized world recognized that they did not have a truly safe place to exist on the planet.

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The were victims of a genocide some where else so they get to arrive in Palestine and take other peoples land?

And of course now occupy the West Bank in violation of international law?

Well ok

P.S.

The zionists almost picked Madagascar …

The question of where European Jews might settle had been open since the 19th century, and very different sorts of politicians and ideologues proposed the same places. The island of Madagascar, a colonial French possession off the southeast African coast in the Indian Ocean, was introduced to the discussion]









They even thought about Uganda and even Texas


[A project that had some concrete success was the Galveston scheme which contemplated the settlement of Jews in the American Southwest, in particular in Texas. The project received the assistance of Jacob Schiff, the American Jewish banker, and some 9,300 Jews arrived in that area between 1907-1914, through the Emigration Bureau of the Territorialist organization.]

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So I guess when the Muslims invaded and took someone else's land, that doesn't count? Very selective of you.
Are you equally pissed off at the British for taking the land from the Ottoman empire?

Have you given away your home & property to the origin Native American tribes?

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You know there were Christian Palestinians there right? It was not all Muslims.

And while I certainly don't hold to any progressive idea that land needs to be given back once a nation is established…you still have not explain why Israel gets to occupy the West Bank forever.

The international community could not be more clear…a two State solution is the only solution and the Palestinians have a right to a State in the West Bank (and Gaza) and any endless occupation or settlement actively is illegal under international law.

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The Palestinians were given a homeland when the State of Israel was created in 1947. Unlike with Israel, this marks the first time in history that there was a country called Palestine.

Wonder if Iran finaly attacks the US and Israel this week.

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The Palestinians were given a homeland when the State of Israel was created in 1947. Unlike with Israel, this marks the first time in history that there was a country called Palestine.

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The Roman Empire expelled the Jews from the territory of Judea in the early 100s AD, renaming it Syria-Palestina. 1800 years or so passed before the UN established a progressive ethnic Ashkenazi state in the land known as Syria-Palestina.

There is a difference between an independent nation and the province of an empire. Palestine as a nation as a totally modern phenomenon & the "Palestinians" were never self governing there until modern times.

Brief history lesson of the land called Israel:

Israel estd 1947
British mandate 1919
Ottoman Empire 15th century
Byzantine Empire 5th century
Roman Empire 1st century BC
Greek Empire 4th century BC (Alexander the Great)
Persian Empire 5th century BC
Babylonian Empire 6th century BC
Israel ca 10th century BC

Between the two Israel states, the people living in that land were controlled by one of these empires the entire time with a brief interregnum from Greek rule after the Maccabee revolt. The Arabs never ruled there during any of that time except maybe as provincial rulers in the Ottoman Empire & the Ottomans were Turks.

"Palestinian" is a false distinction. The conflicts there are religious, cultural, & historic going back 4,000+ years to Abraham having Ishmael by Hagar because he & Sarah grew impatient with God. Read Genesis 16-18.

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There is a difference between an independent nation and the province of an empire. Palestine as a nation as a totally modern phenomenon & the "Palestinians" were never self governing there until modern times.

Brief history lesson of the land called Israel:

Israel estd 1947

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Sure

As long as you grant that the State of Israel and the modern Israeli national identity is also a modern phenomenon.

Two States were created in 1947…today only one of those States is occupying the other with military force and continuing to settling their people on the land







Situation as it exists today:

The modern state of Israel is a modern phenomenon, obviously, but it's one with historic roots. Palestine cannot claim that.

The Arabs who live their were offered their own state multiple times over the past 100 years and rejected it each time because it would have meant acknowledging the Jewish stars of Israel. The "occupied" territories of Judea & Samaria ard no such thing. They are conquered territories, also historically part of their heritage for millennia, which they won in 1967 in the Six Day War. Once again, tiny Israel surrounded by enemies (who had them outnumbered and outgunned by huge margins) who wanted to kill all Jews, managed to defeat all their enemies decisively. And they did this in less than a week.

Just like now, all of the problems the Palestinians have are of their own creation.

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The modern state of Israel is a modern phenomenon, obviously, but it's one with historic roots. Palestine cannot claim that.

The Arabs who live their were offered their own state multiple times over the past 100 years and rejected it each time because it would have meant acknowledging the Jewish stars of Israel...

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If the Jews had chosen Texas to create an ethno-state would you have accepted it?

Just a little partition of the land where they got to claim half of Texas….

"If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? [...] They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion

Stupid question. Israel doesn't have a 4,000+ year history in Texas. They do have that in Israel. Also, Israel didn't claim half the territory. They claimed a tiny portion. Originally, Jordan was part of it.

Hypothetical questions are usually worthless.

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Stupid question. Israel doesn't have a 4,000+ year history in Texas. They do have that in Israel. Also, Israel didn't claim half the territory. They claimed a tiny portion. Originally, Jordan was part of it.

Hypothetical questions are usually worthless.

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And yet they considered doing just that!

Texas as well as Uganda…

What if they had done it and taken half the land?


[A project that had some concrete success was the Galveston scheme which contemplated the settlement of Jews in the American Southwest, in particular in Texas. The project received the assistance of Jacob Schiff, the American Jewish banker, and some 9,300 Jews arrived in that area between 1907-1914, through the Emigration Bureau of the Territorialist organization.]

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Stupid question. Israel doesn't have a 4,000+ year history in Texas. They do have that in Israel. Also, Israel didn't claim half the territory. They claimed a tiny portion. Originally, Jordan was part of it.

Hypothetical questions are usually worthless.

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Israel does not have a 4000 plus year history. It has roughly a 2000 year history in the region, followed by roughly an 1800 year absence.

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Stupid question. Israel doesn't have a 4,000+ year history in Texas. They do have that in Israel. Also, Israel didn't claim half the territory. They claimed a tiny portion. Originally, Jordan was part of it.

Hypothetical questions are usually worthless.

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Israel does not have a 4000 plus year history. It has roughly a 2000 year history in the region, followed by roughly an 1800 year absence.

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Not to mention the jews living there were not the only people inhabiting the land….

Edomites, Phoenicians, Philistines…even Arabs