Netanyahu said "we are at war,"

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whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?
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The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?
The Islamic invasion of Europe started well before the 1990's.
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trey3216 said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?
The Islamic invasion of Europe started well before the 1990's.
The Moops in Spain...
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FLBear5630 said:

trey3216 said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?
The Islamic invasion of Europe started well before the 1990's.
The Moops in Spain...
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

I don't give a rip if your Baptist ( before it became MAGA pulpit) , Jewish, Christian or Muslim. Wars being fought over "our God" ate ridiculous.

It reminds me of Nam where it was business as usual in Saigon while thousands died in the jungles. For nothing. .

You just were complaining about Jews in our government, so it seems like a false statement to say you don't care who is a Jew.
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Porteroso said:

Aliceinbubbleland said:

I don't give a rip if your Baptist ( before it became MAGA pulpit) , Jewish, Christian or Muslim. Wars being fought over "our God" ate ridiculous.

It reminds me of Nam where it was business as usual in Saigon while thousands died in the jungles. For nothing. .

You just were complaining about Jews in our government, so it seems like a false statement to say you don't care who is a Jew.
I was not complaining. Since when is listing the same as complaint? I was pointing out that our powerful govenment offices have a lot of sway when it comes to limits on Israel responses. Don't ever think I'm prejudiced against Jews. I'm like a lot of people, conflicted when it comes to Israel and their determination to eliminate anyone regrdless of guilt.

After three huge attempts to eliminate PLO, Hezbollah and Hamas they have failed. The hatred will contintue for decades.
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

Porteroso said:

Aliceinbubbleland said:

I don't give a rip if your Baptist ( before it became MAGA pulpit) , Jewish, Christian or Muslim. Wars being fought over "our God" ate ridiculous.

It reminds me of Nam where it was business as usual in Saigon while thousands died in the jungles. For nothing. .

You just were complaining about Jews in our government, so it seems like a false statement to say you don't care who is a Jew.
I was not complaining. Since when is listing the same as complaint? I was pointing out that our powerful govenment offices have a lot of sway when it comes to limits on Israel responses. Don't ever think I'm prejudiced against Jews. I'm like a lot of people, conflicted when it comes to Israel and their determination to eliminate anyone regrdless of guilt.

After three huge attempts to eliminate PLO, Hezbollah and Hamas they have failed. The hatred will contintue for decades.

"Don't ever think I'm prejudice against Jews....I'm just conflicted about their desire to survive!"


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And another poster who's education ended in the 12th grade.
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Aliceinbubbleland said:


And another poster who's education ended in the 12th grade.


I'm sorry for your poor attempt to hide your "just questioning" line of thinking. I bet you know a few Jewish and black people as well…

Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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Well if it helps you to understand I am agnostic and have no sympathy for MAGA's who believe they are "God's" people. I totally understand their position on abortion and that is probably the one issue we share but I do not believe anyone should tell someone they do not have the right to that choice. I also believe, like MAGA, that the border should be protected. Other than that I can't see the wild continual false claims.

Something we probably agree upon is the mainstream media are so compromised they cannot report objectively. But that doesn't give Fox a get out of go card to hire the best looking females who support false claims.

Deity is why we have Israel/Gaza/West Bank/Lebanon/Iran and several other Muslim countries who wished Israel would evaporate but they are not going to chance being blown to smithereens
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trey3216 said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?
The Islamic invasion of Europe started well before the 1990's.

This is just the modern version. The Battle of Tours was in 732 and Vienna was besieged in 1529 & again in 1683. Both attacks by the Ottomans failed but there have been many attempts of Muslims to conquer foreign territories, many of which were successful.

Muslim conquests began with Muhammad himself in the 7th century.
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The_barBEARian said:


American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?


It certainly does seem this way, doesn't it.

Nagasaki was the oldest center of Christianity in Japan, and there was an above average amount of missionary activity in Hiroshima. You already mentioned Serbia. The Arab spring was brutal for Egyptian Copts. Iraq all but wiped out the ancient Assyrian Christian presence in the country, a minority that Saddam Hussein had protected. Likewise, Syrian president Assad has protected Syria's Christian minority and Deep State wants him dead. In Ukraine, Deep State is all in for the side that is arresting priests and destroying churches. Now Lebanon, with Israel bombing neighborhoods in its capital city, far from the locations Hezbollah is reportedly located.

There certainly is a common thread, and at some point repeated coincidence points to something more sinister.
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The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?
sorta. almost the entire international community united to stop Serbian ethnic cleansing of Kosovars.

One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands, but however one chooses to frame the history, it's hardly an example of a people engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" finding themselves at odds with US/Nato. In fact, Nato had a valid interest in the stability of states/borders/populations within its very footprint, which was substantially threatened by Serbian genocide.



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Iran missile attack: what we learned last night

" ...As the video footage coming from Israel has shown, many of these missiles reached their targets inflicting extensive damage on the ground. Apparently, some offshore gas platforms were also struck. Claims and counterclaims are a bit all over the place at the moment: Israelis have claimed that the Iranian attack failed and that most of the missiles were intercepted. Netanyahu's aide Hananya Naftali even tweeted a "BRAVO" to Israel's aerial defence systems for intercepting "nearly all the missiles."

But the footage from last night gives a very different impression; it corroborates those who claimed that many missiles hit their targets. A few of the videos also confirm that the Iranians do indeed possess hypersonic missiles. We also know now that these have a long range and seem accurate enough. This lesson alone could be a game changer.


Hypersonic missiles can't be intercepted. The most advanced Western air defence systems can shoot down incoming projectiles flying at up to mach 3. So far as the Patriot Missiles are concerned, their success rate is very poor even at that. Nothing in Western powers' arsenal can defend against hypersonic missiles and this certainly got the Pentagon's attention. The implication is that all US Navy assets and military bases in the Middle East are defenceless, and that Iran has the capability to strike them.

During yesterday's attack, two U.S. destroyers in the eastern Mediterranean launched twelve SM-3 ballistic missile interceptor rockets, their most advanced air defence system. The problem is that the current production rate of SM-3s is down to zero! Thus, even if SM-3s are effective, Western air defence systems are not for the long haul and will deplete rapidly in case of further escalation.

Then there's Hezbollah. According to a 130-page report titled, "The Most Deadly War of All," compiled by a group of six Israeli think-tanks and based on three years of research and the opinions of over 100 Israeli defence experts and IDF commanders, war on Hezbollah would be, as the report's title suggests, the most deadly war of all for Israel. According to the report, Hezbollah would be capable of launching 2,500 to 3,000 missiles per day, a combination of long-range precision guided and unguided rockets.

The barrages would be launched toward specific targets in Israel with the potential of destroying the Iron Dome air-defence capability. IDF's reserves of Iron Dome and David's Sling interceptor missiles would likely be depleted within a few days from the start of a full-scale war with Hezbollah,

Then there's Hezbollah. According to a 130-page report titled, "The Most Deadly War of All," compiled by a group of six Israeli think-tanks and based on three years of research and the opinions of over 100 Israeli defence experts and IDF commanders, war on Hezbollah would be, as the report's title suggests, the most deadly war of all for Israel. According to the report, Hezbollah would be capable of launching 2,500 to 3,000 missiles per day, a combination of long-range precision guided and unguided rockets.

The barrages would be launched toward specific targets in Israel with the potential of destroying the Iron Dome air-defence capability. IDF's reserves of Iron Dome and David's Sling interceptor missiles would likely be depleted within a few days from the start of a full-scale war with Hezbollah..."
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whiterock said:

sorta. almost the entire international community united to stop Serbian ethnic cleansing of Kosovars.

One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands, but however one chooses to frame the history, it's hardly an example of a people engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" finding themselves at odds with US/Nato. In fact, Nato had a valid interest in the stability of states/borders/populations within its very footprint, which was substantially threatened by Serbian genocide.
That was 1999. almost 10 years before the first iPhone was released, and 4 years before the launch of social media. It was 2 years before the launch of 3G cell service. News spread slowly, through the gatekeepers of Fox, MSNBC, CNN. While the internet was a thing, it looked like this and we were using AOL and dial-up.

There was really no way for people to circumvent the "evil serbs are ethnically cleansing the Kosovars" deep state meme. Kosovo is Serbia, notwithstanding our efforts to carve out a piece of real estate for our own purposes. Incidentally, this is why neocons and democrats are united in their hatred of the first amendment and a free exchange of ideas on the internet. It destroys propaganda.

Kosovo asks U.S. for permanent military base, speedier NATO membership

Meanwhile, Human Rights Watch reports "at least 500 Yugoslav civilians died in ninety separate incidents during the 78 day bombing campaign. The report also finds that NATO committed violations of international humanitarian law in its targeting and bombing practices."

Sounds familiar, doesn't it.
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Realitybites said:

whiterock said:

sorta. almost the entire international community united to stop Serbian ethnic cleansing of Kosovars.

One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands, but however one chooses to frame the history, it's hardly an example of a people engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" finding themselves at odds with US/Nato. In fact, Nato had a valid interest in the stability of states/borders/populations within its very footprint, which was substantially threatened by Serbian genocide.
That was 1999. almost 10 years before the first iPhone was released, and 4 years before the launch of social media. It was 2 years before the launch of 3G cell service. News spread slowly, through the gatekeepers of Fox, MSNBC, CNN. While the internet was a thing, it looked like this and we were using AOL and dial-up.

There was really no way for people to circumvent the "evil serbs are ethnically cleansing the Kosovars" deep state meme. Kosovo is Serbia, notwithstanding our efforts to carve out a piece of real estate for our own purposes. Incidentally, this is why neocons and democrats are united in their hatred of the first amendment and a free exchange of ideas on the internet. It destroys propaganda.

Kosovo asks U.S. for permanent military base, speedier NATO membership

Meanwhile, Human Rights Watch reports "at least 500 Yugoslav civilians died in ninety separate incidents during the 78 day bombing campaign. The report also finds that NATO committed violations of international humanitarian law in its targeting and bombing practices."

Sounds familiar, doesn't it.
do you also deny the Holocaust happened?
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whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?


Peace with all nations doesn't mean all nations are at peace with each other.
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whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?


One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands




I mean most of the people on this forum like watching the Jews do it In Palestine.


(We got involved in the the most resent Balkans bloodletting because the other Europeans-Germany/France/UK- wanted us to. They basically begged us. So it's Understandable….but we should have stayed out of it)
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?


Peace with all nations doesn't mean all nations are at peace with each other.
well that's a nice platitude, but it does not solve the problem your argument has with Kosovo.
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Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?


One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands




I mean most of the people on this forum like watching the Jews do it In Palestine.


(We got involved in the the most resent Balkans bloodletting because the other Europeans-Germany/France/UK- wanted us to. They basically begged us. So it's Understandable….but we should have stayed out of it)
Again, bad analogy. Israel did not go to war to subsume Gaza into Israeli polity. Israel went to war because it was attacked by an already independent Palestinian polity seeking the literal destruction of Israel.

We got into the Serb-Kosovar conflict as a humanitarian response - to stop genocide by Serbs against the Kosovars. Had the Serbs acted with more restraint, the international community would have supported the territorial integrity of then-Serbia.

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whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?


One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands




I mean most of the people on this forum like watching the Jews do it In Palestine.


(We got involved in the the most resent Balkans bloodletting because the other Europeans-Germany/France/UK- wanted us to. They basically begged us. So it's Understandable….but we should have stayed out of it)
Again, bad analogy. Israel did not go to war to subsume Gaza into Israeli polity. Israel went to war because it was attacked by an already independent Palestinian polity seeking the literal destruction of Israel.



No its pretty accurate.

The Jews moved to Palestine to retake what they consider their ethnic homeland.

The Serbs viewed Kosovo in the same way.

And both had/have pretty good historic claims to those regions.

Of course Serbia even legally owned Kosovo by international law (until the USA bombed them into giving it up)

Serbs have as much right to be upset about that as Israelis would be if the USA bombed them into giving up Samaria
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Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?


One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands




I mean most of the people on this forum like watching the Jews do it In Palestine.


(We got involved in the the most resent Balkans bloodletting because the other Europeans-Germany/France/UK- wanted us to. They basically begged us. So it's Understandable….but we should have stayed out of it)
Again, bad analogy. Israel did not go to war to subsume Gaza into Israeli polity. Israel went to war because it was attacked by an already independent Palestinian polity seeking the literal destruction of Israel.



No its pretty accurate.

The Jews moved to Palestine to retake what they consider their ethic homeland.

The Serbs viewed Kosovo in the same way.

And both had/have pretty good historic claims to those regions.

Of course Serbia even legally owned Kosovo by international law (until the USA bombed them into giving it up)

Serbs have as much right to be upset about that as Israelis would be if the USA bombed them into giving up Samaria


Very interesting thought process .

I had forgotten about Kosovo bombings.


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Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?


One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands




I mean most of the people on this forum like watching the Jews do it In Palestine.


(We got involved in the the most resent Balkans bloodletting because the other Europeans-Germany/France/UK- wanted us to. They basically begged us. So it's Understandable….but we should have stayed out of it)
Again, bad analogy. Israel did not go to war to subsume Gaza into Israeli polity. Israel went to war because it was attacked by an already independent Palestinian polity seeking the literal destruction of Israel.



No its pretty accurate.

The Jews moved to Palestine to retake what they consider their ethnic homeland.

The Serbs viewed Kosovo in the same way.

And both had/have pretty good historic claims to those regions.

Of course Serbia even legally owned Kosovo by international law (until the USA bombed them into giving it up)

Serbs have as much right to be upset about that as Israelis would be if the USA bombed them into giving up Samaria
LOL. mainly, it's the opposite. Had the Serbs done what the Jews did (just resettled into their ancestral homeland), the war & western intervention would not have happened. Instead, the Serbs did the opposite of what the Jews did to gain control over their homeland. The Serbs tried to kill their way thru the problem.

There is also a fundamental difference on the issue of territorial integrity of the state. The minority Kosovars were trying to secede from Serbia. By contrast, the conflict in Israel is not at all aimed at achieving or preventing secession. The "victims" in fact are refusing to acknowledge the existence of the Israeli regime, trying to destroy it rather than cooperate with it..

Serbia indeed has a right to be upset about what happened, but their misfortune is directly derivative of their own misdeeds. And in that, you have the only real parallel to Israel - the Palestinians have only themselves to blame for their misfortune. Over and over and over again they have refused peace and as a result have ended each crisis in a worse position than before.

if 50 years ago the Palestinians were the least bit clever, they'd have dropped the homeland nonsense and just become Israeli citizens. They'd have gained via coalition with Israeli leftists a pivotal position in Israeli politics, likely freezing out the Likud/conservatives forever. Bibi Netanyahu might be best known as a minor officer on the Entebbe Raid. With time and superior demographics, they'd have owned Israel via the ballot box. But islam cannot tolerate the notion of equality with others of other faiths, so here we are.



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Once again, God uses His enemies own pride & narrow mindedness against themselves. They through their selfish acts that harm themselves they fulfill God's plan. It's happened repeatedly throughout history, whether it was Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians, the Romans, the Russian Tsars, or even Hitler. God has even used Satan to accomplish His plans.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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whiterock said:

do you also deny the Holocaust happened?


No. But I don't treat it as the single worst thing to ever happen in human history either.
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whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?


One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands




I mean most of the people on this forum like watching the Jews do it In Palestine.


(We got involved in the the most resent Balkans bloodletting because the other Europeans-Germany/France/UK- wanted us to. They basically begged us. So it's Understandable….but we should have stayed out of it)
We got into the Serb-Kosovar conflict as a humanitarian response - to stop genocide by Serbs against the Kosovars. Had the Serbs acted with more restraint, the international community would have supported the territorial integrity of then-Serbia.


This is demonstrably false. After Yugoslavia's economy was crippled and its polity torn apart by IMF "shock therapy," the Serbs did everything they could to hold the country together. They accepted every one of NATO's demands, only to have the demands change. In typical fashion, we supported Islamic separatists and did everything we could to exacerbate the division. Our own forces killed more civilians than the Serbs did. We fully expected our actions to worsen the humanitarian crisis, and that's exactly what happened. The violence that followed was more a result of the bombing campaign than anything else. Of course it goes without saying that our attack on a sovereign country was completely illegal under the UN Charter and the NATO treaty. No serious person even bothered to argue otherwise.
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Realitybites said:

whiterock said:

do you also deny the Holocaust happened?


No. But I don't treat it as the single worst thing to ever happen in human history either.
It was and nothing comes close
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whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?


One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands




I mean most of the people on this forum like watching the Jews do it In Palestine.


(We got involved in the the most resent Balkans bloodletting because the other Europeans-Germany/France/UK- wanted us to. They basically begged us. So it's Understandable….but we should have stayed out of it)
Again, bad analogy. Israel did not go to war to subsume Gaza into Israeli polity. Israel went to war because it was attacked by an already independent Palestinian polity seeking the literal destruction of Israel.



No its pretty accurate.

The Jews moved to Palestine to retake what they consider their ethnic homeland.

The Serbs viewed Kosovo in the same way.

And both had/have pretty good historic claims to those regions.

Of course Serbia even legally owned Kosovo by international law (until the USA bombed them into giving it up)

Serbs have as much right to be upset about that as Israelis would be if the USA bombed them into giving up Samaria
LOL. mainly, it's the opposite. Had the Serbs done what the Jews did (just resettled into their ancestral homeland), the war & western intervention would not have happened. Instead, the Serbs did the opposite of what the Jews did to gain control over their homeland. The Serbs tried to kill their way thru the problem.

There is also a fundamental difference on the issue of territorial integrity of the state. The minority Kosovars were trying to secede from Serbia. By contrast, the conflict in Israel is not at all aimed at achieving or preventing secession. The "victims" in fact are refusing to acknowledge the existence of the Israeli regime, trying to destroy it rather than cooperate with it..

Serbia indeed has a right to be upset about what happened, but their misfortune is directly derivative of their own misdeeds. And in that, you have the only real parallel to Israel - the Palestinians have only themselves to blame for their misfortune. Over and over and over again they have refused peace and as a result have ended each crisis in a worse position than before.

if 50 years ago the Palestinians were the least bit clever, they'd have dropped the homeland nonsense and just become Israeli citizens. They'd have gained via coalition with Israeli leftists a pivotal position in Israeli politics, likely freezing out the Likud/conservatives forever. Bibi Netanyahu might be best known as a minor officer on the Entebbe Raid. With time and superior demographics, they'd have owned Israel via the ballot box. But islam cannot tolerate the notion of equality with others of other faiths, so here we are.






You are absolutely, unequivocally wrong. You are from the generation that allowed Serbia to have American bombs dropped on it and you are an absolute failure for that. But in your old man arrogance you can't admit you left the world in a worse place from how you inherited it.

The Serbia - Israel comparison is accurate in that they were both in wars/mutual combat to take back land they precieved to be lost (the Serbs really did lose ancestral lands, the Israelis are mostly transplants with only a small percentage actually being from the region)

You and the three other simpletons who liked your post always apply a double standard to Christians and whites that you don't apply to Jews.

In your cultist mind the Jews are superior beings and God commands you to be their slaves. The Jews can do no wrong and even when committing the most heinous atrocities, they are never at fault or guilty of anything.

Unfortunately not all of us believe in the spiritual/mystical/supernatural and while I come from the Christian tradition, I don't believe there is a god and therefore I believe Jews are every bit as human as the rest of us and not ordained by some omnipotent being as a higher class or superior species.

If the Serbs were wrong in what they did in the 90ties fighting against muslim extremists, then Israel is wrong now and we should be bombing Tel Aviv like we bombed Belgrade
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Realitybites said:

whiterock said:

do you also deny the Holocaust happened?


No. But I don't treat it as the single worst thing to ever happen in human history either.


There were Jewish mafias all over Europe and America slaughtering thousands of Christians ar the turn of the last century... this concept that Jews are as clean as the driven snow and any group who ever opposed them throughout history, which is pretty much everyone, is an agent of satan and the villian is a testament to how powerful their indoctrination is.
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

Realitybites said:

whiterock said:

do you also deny the Holocaust happened?


No. But I don't treat it as the single worst thing to ever happen in human history either.
It was and nothing comes close
If you believe that, your understanding of history is defective. The Mongols killed 10% of the world's population. World War 2, 70+ million dead worldwide. The Holodomor killed more people in an absolute sense. The Armenian genocide killed more of our co-religionists. So while it was bad, it was far from the worst thing to ever happen in human history. Top 10? Sure. Deserving of a automatic bid to the CFP? No.
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

Realitybites said:

whiterock said:

do you also deny the Holocaust happened?


No. But I don't treat it as the single worst thing to ever happen in human history either.
It was and nothing comes close


There have even been worse genocides in Africa and Asia in the last 80ty years but the Tutsi or Cambodians don't control the media
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whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?


One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands




I mean most of the people on this forum like watching the Jews do it In Palestine.


(We got involved in the the most resent Balkans bloodletting because the other Europeans-Germany/France/UK- wanted us to. They basically begged us. So it's Understandable….but we should have stayed out of it)
Again, bad analogy. Israel did not go to war to subsume Gaza into Israeli polity. Israel went to war because it was attacked by an already independent Palestinian polity seeking the literal destruction of Israel.



No its pretty accurate.

The Jews moved to Palestine to retake what they consider their ethnic homeland.

The Serbs viewed Kosovo in the same way.

And both had/have pretty good historic claims to those regions.

Of course Serbia even legally owned Kosovo by international law (until the USA bombed them into giving it up)

Serbs have as much right to be upset about that as Israelis would be if the USA bombed them into giving up Samaria
The minority Kosovars were trying to secede from Serbia.

Serbia indeed has a right to be upset about what happened, but their misfortune is directly derivative of their own misdeeds.




Trying to hold onto a territory that was legally apart of Serbia?

Trying to put down a violent Kosovar Muslim secessionist movement?

*ps

Also interesting how DC power elites like most secessionist movements…except when they are at home in the USA.

Or in Donbas
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Realitybites said:

whiterock said:

do you also deny the Holocaust happened?


No. But I don't treat it as the single worst thing to ever happen in human history either.
kinda hard to cite another example of a race of people systematically rounded up, incarcerated, and killed via industrial process by the millions for the purpose of not just clearing a narrowly defined geographical space (city or state) but to extirpate them from existence globally.
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

"Kosovo and Iraq would be examples. Of course you already know that most of our wars are covert/intelligence or proxy wars, so your question obscures the real issue."

Exactly how is Kosovo an example of a peoples engaging in "peace, commerce, and honest friendships" who found themselves facing US troops?



I think he is referring to how we entered a conflict that didnt concern us to intentional bomb and kill the Christian Serbs who were fighting for their ancestral land and in doing so secured the Islamic invasion of Europe.

American government LOVES killing conservative white men and Christians whenever it gets a chance... and it makes you wonder who is truly controlling our government and what their motivations are?


One can certainly debate the pros/cons of allowing/opposing a Serbian reconquista of their ancestral lands




I mean most of the people on this forum like watching the Jews do it In Palestine.


(We got involved in the the most resent Balkans bloodletting because the other Europeans-Germany/France/UK- wanted us to. They basically begged us. So it's Understandable….but we should have stayed out of it)
We got into the Serb-Kosovar conflict as a humanitarian response - to stop genocide by Serbs against the Kosovars. Had the Serbs acted with more restraint, the international community would have supported the territorial integrity of then-Serbia.


This is demonstrably false. After Yugoslavia's economy was crippled and its polity torn apart by IMF "shock therapy," the Serbs did everything they could to hold the country together. They accepted every one of NATO's demands, only to have the demands change. In typical fashion, we supported Islamic separatists and did everything we could to exacerbate the division. Our own forces killed more civilians than the Serbs did. We fully expected our actions to worsen the humanitarian crisis, and that's exactly what happened. The violence that followed was more a result of the bombing campaign than anything else. Of course it goes without saying that our attack on a sovereign country was completely illegal under the UN Charter and the NATO treaty. No serious person even bothered to argue otherwise.
Good grief, how you have scrambled this up, even conflating Nato with the UN.

You're puffing your brains out trying to inflate a balloon of make-believe already punctured UNSCR 1244.

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