Realitybites said:

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You wanna refute my take, go research the police arrest records. See how many Maccabi fans spent a night in jail. That would be one of the brightest lightbulbs on the porch.

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Having watched the BLM/J6 situation unfold, as well as prosecutions of pro life protestors, as well as the imprisonment of Chrsitian preachers in Canada, the UK, and EU we all know that the lack of an arrest record is only an indicator of political favor with the left in the two tier legal system of the West, nothing more.

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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barBEARian, sorry for your loss

🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.

The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ

— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024

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They probably only needed to steal a couple billion of my tax dollars to eliminate him!

What a great ROI....

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what a great big blob of ironic drivel.

You constantly refer to the USS Liberty friendly-fire incident with (faux-)righteous indignation as a way of justifying your animus against Israel, yet completely ignore that Hizballah has killed THOUSANDS of American citizens, each one of them done in coldly calculated strikes against the Great Satan (us). Israel publicly apologized and paid millions of dollars of restitution to the families of those killed in the Liberty incident, to the wounded survivors, and to the USG for damage to the ship. Hizballah, on the other hand, has cheered each one the deaths they have inflicted on us with public paroxysms of ecstasy and vows to keep at it until America is destroyed.

You should thank Israel for putting its sons & daughters at risk to eliminate our enemies for us.

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How does a friendly fire incident last 8 hrs from with attacks from the air and sea?

"For 55 years, we've tried to honor the crew, with little to no support from our government, just like the lack of support we received when we were under attack," Bowen continued from the podium. "Our government has tried to cover the entire attack up as a mere accident. Nothing could be further from the truth."
[url=https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/06/08/were-fed-it-survivors-of-uss-liberty-look-answers-55-years-later.html#:~:text=By%20the%20evening%20of%20June%208%2C%20the%20Liberty,The%20attack%20lasted%20two%20hours%2C%20according%20to%20Bowen.][/url]

They killed 34 and wounded 171 American Servicemen and paid $6 million dollars in 1980,13 years after the attack occured.

They received $5 billion dollars from the US in 1980.

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since WWII. Data Dive: http://t.co/TIUtG80uXa pic.twitter.com/MyVtvXZILT

— Reuters (@Reuters) March 2, 2015

34 dead.

171 wounded.

$6 million Paid.

$5 billion received.

Either you are stupid or evil. Pick one.

*Edit* I almost forgot **** Israel and **** you Boomercon traitors whose loyalty is to the foreign enemy state of Israel over dead and wounded American servicemen.

The silver lining here is young conservatives do not support Israel. The Israel first traitors are a rapidly dying demographic and it cant happen fast enough!

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Senator Lindsey Graham on Fox News:

“To Canada, Britain, Germany, France, or any of our allies, if you try to help the ICC, we are gonna sanction you. We will crush your economy, because we are next.”

pic.twitter.com/kYac0MOaRG

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) November 23, 2024

Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ICC issues arrest warrant for Netanyahu.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/icc-arrest-warrants-for-netanyahu-gallant-deepen-israels-isolation-27d2a86a?mod=hp_lead_pos10

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Well maybe he will share a cell with your President.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and

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boognish_bear said:

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Senator Lindsey Graham on Fox News:

“To Canada, Britain, Germany, France, or any of our allies, if you try to help the ICC, we are gonna sanction you. We will crush your economy, because we are next.”

pic.twitter.com/kYac0MOaRG

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) November 23, 2024

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Senator Lindsey Graham on Fox News:

“To Canada, Britain, Germany, France, or any of our allies, if you try to help the ICC, we are gonna sanction you. We will crush your economy, because we are next.”

pic.twitter.com/kYac0MOaRG

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) November 23, 2024

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LG needs to be replaced asap.

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Senator Lindsey Graham on Fox News:

“To Canada, Britain, Germany, France, or any of our allies, if you try to help the ICC, we are gonna sanction you. We will crush your economy, because we are next.”

pic.twitter.com/kYac0MOaRG

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) November 23, 2024

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LG needs to be replaced asap.

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Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Senator Lindsey Graham on Fox News:

“To Canada, Britain, Germany, France, or any of our allies, if you try to help the ICC, we are gonna sanction you. We will crush your economy, because we are next.”

pic.twitter.com/kYac0MOaRG

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) November 23, 2024

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LG needs to be replaced asap.

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Why?

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Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Senator Lindsey Graham on Fox News:

“To Canada, Britain, Germany, France, or any of our allies, if you try to help the ICC, we are gonna sanction you. We will crush your economy, because we are next.”

pic.twitter.com/kYac0MOaRG

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) November 23, 2024

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LG needs to be replaced asap.

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Why?

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How can we agree to the arrest of ANY head of state, then expect our POTUS to be safe when international opinion turns against us?

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Realitybites said:

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How can we agree to the arrest of ANY head of state, then expect our POTUS to be safe when international opinion turns against us?

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Before the ICC issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, it issued one for Putin. Does this opinion of yours only extend to the former warrant, or does it also extend to the latter?
In principle, not a fan of ICC warrants for elected officials.

As far as alliances with like minded countries, what about the EU is like minded in 2024? It is every bit the Bolshevik Mullahcracy that Iran is an Islamic Mullahcracy.
It's quite a bit more like-minded than Stalinist Russia in WWII.

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historian said:

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Agree with everything except isolationism. The U.S. hasn't been isolationist for 90 years and that is impossible now. It is also a very foolish attitude, like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

Also, aircraft carriers can only project power do much in an era of hypersonic missiles & dangerous countries with nukes.

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whiterock said:

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Agree with everything except isolationism. The U.S. hasn't been isolationist for 90 years and that is impossible now. It is also a very foolish attitude, like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

Also, aircraft carriers can only project power do much in an era of hypersonic missiles & dangerous countries with nukes.

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Isolationism got us into two world wars in less than 20 years.

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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Agree with everything except isolationism. The U.S. hasn't been isolationist for 90 years and that is impossible now. It is also a very foolish attitude, like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

Also, aircraft carriers can only project power do much in an era of hypersonic missiles & dangerous countries with nukes.

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Isolationism got us into two world wars in less than 20 years.

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Senator Lindsey Graham on Fox News:

“To Canada, Britain, Germany, France, or any of our allies, if you try to help the ICC, we are gonna sanction you. We will crush your economy, because we are next.”

pic.twitter.com/kYac0MOaRG

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) November 23, 2024

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LG needs to be replaced asap.

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He is saying we should sanction friendly countries if they comply with the ICC treaty they all signed and arrest the scumbag Netanyahu

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How can we agree to the arrest of ANY head of state, then expect our POTUS to be safe when international opinion turns against us?

How do we defend ourselves from the agendas of others if we disengage from all alliances and treaties and international institutions?

Shouldn't we engage with all of those entities to ensure they are working with us rather than against us most of the time?.....to prevent hostile powers from actually co-opting international organizations to work against us?

Sure, we have more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world combined, so we can impose our will when/where we want (not everywhere at once, mind you), but doesn't that run counter to the ideals of isolationism? Just let everyone else do whatever they want but build a big enough military to fight & win against the whole world?

Alliances with important and/or like-minded countries, foreign aid to B&C-team players, military assistance programs, intelligence liaison with all but those hostile to us, the odd proxy war, etc....... That's called 'insurance." You pay the premium (billions of dollars of it) because a hot world war three will cost hundreds of trillions of dollars for both the winners and the losers.

This concept of proactive defense really isn't hard. One has to work very, very hard not to see the wisdom of it.

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FDR had nothing to do with the attack on Pearl Harbor.

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He refused to support a barbaric war machine. The U.S. was under no obligation to help them with that. FDR did what was in America's interest and the decision to attack Pearl Harbor rests completely on Japan's leaders. It's similar to blaming Israel for the terror attacks on October 7 or the U.S. for September 11, 2001. Blaming the victim is almost always an exercise in propaganda & nothing more.

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KaiBear said:

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He refused to support a barbaric war machine. The U.S. was under no obligation to help them with that. FDR did what was in America's interest and the decision to attack Pearl Harbor rests completely on Japan's leaders. It's similar to blaming Israel for the terror attacks on October 7 or the U.S. for September 11, 2001. Blaming the victim is almost always an exercise in propaganda & nothing more.

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Roosevelt basically put the interests of the Chinese against the lives of American servicemen.

The war between Japan and China had absolutely nothing to do with the United States .

Cutting off US oil exports to Japan brought on the attack on Pearl Harbor resulting in WW 2.

And over 500,000 Americans died as a result.

When the war was over….China was not conquered by Japan.

But soon became COMMUNIST.


Americans died for nothing.

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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He refused to support a barbaric war machine. The U.S. was under no obligation to help them with that. FDR did what was in America's interest and the decision to attack Pearl Harbor rests completely on Japan's leaders. It's similar to blaming Israel for the terror attacks on October 7 or the U.S. for September 11, 2001. Blaming the victim is almost always an exercise in propaganda & nothing more.

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Roosevelt basically put the interests of the Chinese against the lives of American servicemen.

The war between Japan and China had absolutely nothing to do with the United States .

Cutting off US oil exports to Japan brought on the attack on Pearl Harbor resulting in WW 2.

And over 500,000 Americans died as a result.

When the war was over….China was not conquered by Japan.

But soon became COMMUNIST.


Americans died for nothing.

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That is just a foolish take.

Japan was expanding across Asia. They weren't doing it because they needed to for survival. They were invading because they wanted to spread their empire and dominate.

The reason that the US (not just FDR) created the embargo, was to send the message to Japan that we would not allow them to invade our allies or our protected territories. They had already invaded French Indochina, and they had their eyes set on the Dutch East Indies long before the oil embargo. The Japanese had always wanted their own oil reserves, ever since the Sino-Japanese War and Russo-Japanese War. They knew that being dependent upon foreign oil was a major issue to the expansion of Japanese influence over the region.

The US embargo didn't cause the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Japanese imperial expansion caused the attack on Pearl Harbor. The oil embargo was simply a response to Japanese attacks and invasions throughout the previous 20+ years.

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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He refused to support a barbaric war machine. The U.S. was under no obligation to help them with that. FDR did what was in America's interest and the decision to attack Pearl Harbor rests completely on Japan's leaders. It's similar to blaming Israel for the terror attacks on October 7 or the U.S. for September 11, 2001. Blaming the victim is almost always an exercise in propaganda & nothing more.

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Roosevelt basically put the interests of the Chinese against the lives of American servicemen.

The war between Japan and China had absolutely nothing to do with the United States .

Cutting off US oil exports to Japan brought on the attack on Pearl Harbor resulting in WW 2.

And over 500,000 Americans died as a result.

When the war was over….China was not conquered by Japan.

But soon became COMMUNIST.


Americans died for nothing.

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historian said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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He refused to support a barbaric war machine. The U.S. was under no obligation to help them with that. FDR did what was in America's interest and the decision to attack Pearl Harbor rests completely on Japan's leaders. It's similar to blaming Israel for the terror attacks on October 7 or the U.S. for September 11, 2001. Blaming the victim is almost always an exercise in propaganda & nothing more.

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Roosevelt basically put the interests of the Chinese against the lives of American servicemen.

The war between Japan and China had absolutely nothing to do with the United States .

Cutting off US oil exports to Japan brought on the attack on Pearl Harbor resulting in WW 2.

And over 500,000 Americans died as a result.

When the war was over….China was not conquered by Japan.

But soon became COMMUNIST.


Americans died for nothing.

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That's silly isolationist thinking & gets it all wrong. Again, it's blaming the victim. The U.S. does not deserve any blame for Pearl Harbor. Also, at the time no one knew how things were going to play out. I don't think the American death toll was 500k but our death toll also includes Europe & North Africa. No one knew the Commies would win in China. And that is completely unrelated to Jason's attack in December 1941.

Lastly, Americans died for something: to defeat Hitler & the Japanese empire. Both were positive results for America & the world.

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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Agree with everything except isolationism. The U.S. hasn't been isolationist for 90 years and that is impossible now. It is also a very foolish attitude, like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

Also, aircraft carriers can only project power do much in an era of hypersonic missiles & dangerous countries with nukes.

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Isolationism got us into two world wars in less than 20 years.

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Bull****

Woodrow Wilson stumbled into WW1 and FDR literally pushed the American people ( against their will ) into WW2.

Like it or not fella.....the American people are fed up with CIA led police actions.

Trump isn't going to play along.

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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He refused to support a barbaric war machine. The U.S. was under no obligation to help them with that. FDR did what was in America's interest and the decision to attack Pearl Harbor rests completely on Japan's leaders. It's similar to blaming Israel for the terror attacks on October 7 or the U.S. for September 11, 2001. Blaming the victim is almost always an exercise in propaganda & nothing more.

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Roosevelt basically put the interests of the Chinese against the lives of American servicemen.

The war between Japan and China had absolutely nothing to do with the United States .

Cutting off US oil exports to Japan brought on the attack on Pearl Harbor resulting in WW 2.

And over 500,000 Americans died as a result.

When the war was over….China was not conquered by Japan.

But soon became COMMUNIST.


Americans died for nothing.

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That's silly isolationist thinking & gets it all wrong. Again, it's blaming the victim. The U.S. does not deserve any blame for Pearl Harbor. Also, at the time no one knew how things were going to play out. I don't think the American death toll was 500k but our death toll also includes Europe & North Africa. No one knew the Commies would win in China. And that is completely unrelated to Jason's attack in December 1941.

Lastly, Americans died for something: to defeat Hitler & the Japanese empire. Both were positive results for America & the world.

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Hitler's domination of Europe was replaced by Stalin's domination of Europe.

Japan's domination of Asia was replaced by communist China's domination of Asia.

Our people died for nothing.

And we still never learn.

Biden is escalating the war between Ukraine and Russia......now Russia is sending anti ship missils to Iranian proxys .

Gee who would have thought Putin would dare respond like that ?

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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Agree with everything except isolationism. The U.S. hasn't been isolationist for 90 years and that is impossible now. It is also a very foolish attitude, like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

Also, aircraft carriers can only project power do much in an era of hypersonic missiles & dangerous countries with nukes.

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Isolationism got us into two world wars in less than 20 years.

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Bull****

Woodrow Wilson stumbled into WW1 and FDR literally pushed the American people ( against their will ) into WW2.

Like it or not fella.....the American people are fed up with CIA led police actions.

Trump isn't going to play along.

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You and historian have some serious historical revisionism going on.

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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He refused to support a barbaric war machine. The U.S. was under no obligation to help them with that. FDR did what was in America's interest and the decision to attack Pearl Harbor rests completely on Japan's leaders. It's similar to blaming Israel for the terror attacks on October 7 or the U.S. for September 11, 2001. Blaming the victim is almost always an exercise in propaganda & nothing more.

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Roosevelt basically put the interests of the Chinese against the lives of American servicemen.

The war between Japan and China had absolutely nothing to do with the United States .

Cutting off US oil exports to Japan brought on the attack on Pearl Harbor resulting in WW 2.

And over 500,000 Americans died as a result.

When the war was over….China was not conquered by Japan.

But soon became COMMUNIST.


Americans died for nothing.

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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Agree with everything except isolationism. The U.S. hasn't been isolationist for 90 years and that is impossible now. It is also a very foolish attitude, like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

Also, aircraft carriers can only project power do much in an era of hypersonic missiles & dangerous countries with nukes.

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Isolationism got us into two world wars in less than 20 years.

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Bull****

Woodrow Wilson stumbled into WW1 and FDR literally pushed the American people ( against their will ) into WW2.

Like it or not fella.....the American people are fed up with CIA led police actions.

Trump isn't going to play along.

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You and historian have some serious historical revisionism going on.

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Bull**** is exactly the word. It wasn't isolationism that got us into two world wars.

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