House Republicans Elect Mike Johnson Speaker, Ending Weeks of Uncertainty

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Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

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You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
Sometimes I wonder if he's willing to give up freedoms for convenience.


What freedoms am I giving up?




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Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Quote:


Quote:


You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
Sometimes I wonder if he's willing to give up freedoms for convenience.


What freedoms am I giving up?





You didn't answer the question. Do you endorse Taibbi's criticism?
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Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Quote:


Quote:


You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
Sometimes I wonder if he's willing to give up freedoms for convenience.


What freedoms am I giving up?





You didn't answer the question. Do you endorse Taibbi's criticism?
Do you have any concerns at all?
Osodecentx
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Quote:


Quote:


You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
Sometimes I wonder if he's willing to give up freedoms for convenience.


What freedoms am I giving up?





You didn't answer the question. Do you endorse Taibbi's criticism?
Do you have any concerns at all?


Yes, but I'm more concerned about Iran, China, & Russia than the privacy of non-citizens contacting foreigners.

What do you think?
Waco1947
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Quote:


Quote:


You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
Sometimes I wonder if he's willing to give up freedoms for convenience.


What freedoms am I giving up?





You didn't answer the question. Do you endorse Taibbi's criticism?
Do you have any concerns at all?


Yes, but I'm more concerned about Iran, China, & Russia than the privacy of non-citizens contacting foreigners.

What do you think?
Why not both?
Waco1947
Osodecentx
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Waco1947 said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Quote:


Quote:


You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
Sometimes I wonder if he's willing to give up freedoms for convenience.


What freedoms am I giving up?





You didn't answer the question. Do you endorse Taibbi's criticism?
Do you have any concerns at all?


Yes, but I'm more concerned about Iran, China, & Russia than the privacy of non-citizens contacting foreigners.

What do you think?
Why not both?
Non-citizens in a foreign country?
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boognish_bear said:


march thru Europe? He strugglin with just Ukraine
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”

–Horace


“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
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Waco1947 said:

Ghostrider said:

Waco1947 said:

Osodecentx said:

Waco1947 said:

Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b


If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.
who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy
Very true, yet it's interesting that religious fundamentalists mostly reach the same conclusions on foreign policy as their godless counterparts on the left.

Post-Protestant America may have lost faith, but we've never lost our messianic zeal.
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It is amazing that America first conservatives have zero representation in the leadership in Congress.

Even electing a Louisiana Republican to the speakership will get them nothing.

The proxy wars around the world will go on, mass immigration will go on, the debt will get larger, and the culture war against America conservatives will continue.

We really do live under a hostile regime
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Redbrickbear said:

boognish_bear said:




It is amazing that America first conservatives have zero representation in the leadership in Congress.

Even electing a Louisiana Republican to the speakership will get them nothing.

The proxy wars around the world will go on, mass immigration will go on, the debt will get larger, and the culture war against America conservatives will continue.

We really do live under a hostile regime


You probably won't have to endure him much longer
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Sam Lowry said:

Waco1947 said:

Ghostrider said:

Waco1947 said:

Osodecentx said:

Waco1947 said:

Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b


If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.
who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy
Very true, yet it's interesting that religious fundamentalists mostly reach the same conclusions on foreign policy as their godless counterparts on the left.

….


Simple incorrect.

The left is willing to cut Israel off because it views it as a "White" colonialist western state engaged in genocide of the "brown" Arabs.

They see things there through a racial lens.

Views in Israel among rightwingers are more divided and don't come from the same place. Many are just tired of spending money we don't have on a rich client state.

On Russia the left (even the radical left) are all in on the proxy war.

Putin after all is the new Hitler.

Horse shoe theory fails again
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boognish_bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

boognish_bear said:




It is amazing that America first conservatives have zero representation in the leadership in Congress.

Even electing a Louisiana Republican to the speakership will get them nothing.

The proxy wars around the world will go on, mass immigration will go on, the debt will get larger, and the culture war against America conservatives will continue.

We really do live under a hostile regime


You probably won't have to endure him much longer


I don't even think he is that bad of a speaker…just shows you how much real change in DC is limited between narrow bands of choice

And I don't think the MAGA faction has the votes to remove him and certainly democrats would not vote for a more conservative candidate.

That is the whole point right….in DC Mr.Johnson really is the most rightwing you can be
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What's inside the $95 billion House package focused on aiding Ukraine and Israel
WASHINGTON (AP) Speaker Mike Johnson has unveiled a long-awaited package of bills that will provide military aid to Ukraine and Israel, replenish U.S. weapons systems and give humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza.

The package totals $95.3 billion in spending, which matches the total that the Senate passed in mid-February. But there are also a few differences with the Senate bill designed to win over some House conservatives.

Here's a look at what is in the bills that Johnson hopes to pass by this weekend.

UKRAINE

The aid to support Ukraine totals about $61 billion. Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee said that more than a third of that amount would be dedicated to replenishing weapons and ammunition systems for the U.S. military.

The overall amount of money provided to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons from the U.S. is roughly the same in the House and Senate bills $13.8 billion.

The main difference between the two packages is that the House bill provides more than $9 billion in economic assistance to Ukraine in the form of "forgivable loans." The Senate bill included no such provision seeking repayment.

The president would be authorized to set the terms of the loan to Ukraine and also be given the power to cancel it. Congress could override the cancellation but would have to generate enough votes to override a veto, a high bar considering how the two chambers are so evenly divided.

Johnson, as he seeks GOP support for the package, noted that former President Donald Trump has endorsed a "loan concept."

He also noted that the House package includes a requirement for the Biden administration to provide a plan and a strategy to Congress for what it seeks to achieve in Ukraine. The plan would be required within 45 days of the bill being signed into law. House Republicans frequently complain that they have yet to see a strategy from Biden for winning the war.

The bill said the report from the administration must be a multiyear plan that spells out "specific and achievable objectives." It also asked for an estimate of the resources required to achieve the U.S. objectives and a description of the national security implications if the objectives are not met.

ISRAEL

Aid in the legislation to support Israel and provide humanitarian relief to citizens of Gaza comes to more than $26 billion. The amount of money dedicated to replenishing Israel's missile defense systems totals about $4 billion in the House and Senate bills. An additional $2.4 billion for current U.S. military operations in the regions is also the same in both bills.

Some conservatives have been critical of the aid for Gaza. At the end of the day, though, Johnson risked losing critical Democratic support for the package if Republicans had excluded it. The humanitarian assistance comes to more than $9 billion for Gaza, where millions of Palestinians face starvation, lack of clean water and disease outbreaks.

INDO-PACIFIC

The investments to counter China and ensure a strong deterrence in the region come to about $8 billion. The overall amount of money and the investments in the two bills is about the same with a quarter of funds used to replenish weapons and ammunition systems that had been provided to Taiwan.
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Quote:


Quote:


You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
Sometimes I wonder if he's willing to give up freedoms for convenience.


What freedoms am I giving up?





You didn't answer the question. Do you endorse Taibbi's criticism?
Do you have any concerns at all?


Yes, but I'm more concerned about Iran, China, & Russia than the privacy of non-citizens contacting foreigners.

What do you think?


You are insane if you want to give FBI and the intelligence agents anymore power after all the **** they have pulled since 2016.

The FBI or intelligence agencies have proven they are far, far, far more likely to attack you than Iran, Russia, or China...
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What part covers helping Americans and securing our border?

The **** you people should actually care about?
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boognish_bear said:



What's inside the $95 billion House package focused on aiding Ukraine and Israel
WASHINGTON (AP) Speaker Mike Johnson has unveiled a long-awaited package of bills that will provide military aid to Ukraine and Israel, replenish U.S. weapons systems and give humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza.

The package totals $95.3 billion in spending, which matches the total that the Senate passed in mid-February. But there are also a few differences with the Senate bill designed to win over some House conservatives.

Here's a look at what is in the bills that Johnson hopes to pass by this weekend.

UKRAINE

The aid to support Ukraine totals about $61 billion.

The overall amount of money provided to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons from the U.S. is roughly the same in the House and Senate bills $13.8 billion.

The main difference between the two packages is that the House bill provides more than $9 billion in economic assistance to Ukraine in the form of "forgivable loans." The Senate bill included no such provision seeking repayment.

The president would be authorized to set the terms of the loan to Ukraine and also be given the power to cancel it. Congress could override the cancellation but would have to generate enough votes to override a veto, a high bar

He also noted that the House package includes a requirement for the Biden administration to provide a plan and a strategy to Congress for what it seeks to achieve in Ukraine. The plan would be required within 45 days of the bill being signed into law. House Republicans frequently complain that they have yet to see a strategy…

The bill said the report from the administration must be a multiyear plan

ISRAEL

Aid in the legislation to support Israel and provide .


lol hilarious

Biden gets everything he wants and the "loans" to Ukraine can be forgiven by him at anytime.

And Congress would have to get a large majority to change that (which they won't get)

Israel (who is already rich) gets more cash to continue its war against its local Palestinian enemies.

lol great…just great
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Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Waco1947 said:

Ghostrider said:

Waco1947 said:

Osodecentx said:

Waco1947 said:

Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b


If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.
who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy
Very true, yet it's interesting that religious fundamentalists mostly reach the same conclusions on foreign policy as their godless counterparts on the left.

….


Simple incorrect.

The left is willing to cut Israel off because it views it as a "White" colonialist western state engaged in genocide of the "brown" Arabs.

They see things there through a racial lens.

Views in Israel among rightwingers are more divided and don't come from the same place. Many are just tired of spending money we don't have on a rich client state.

On Russia the left (even the radical left) are all in on the proxy war.

Putin after all is the new Hitler.

Horse shoe theory fails again
They see it through a Marxist or Marxist-lite lens, which in itself is just another form of post-Christian idealism. Race means nothing except as a proxy for class war. They will and have thrown minorities under the bus any time they're not useful.
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Well, I guess Johnson is a Neo-Con, UniParty, Liberal...

This line sounds familiar, McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner and now Johnson. All Neo-Cons? All UniParty Dems?

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The_barBEARian said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Quote:


Quote:


You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
Sometimes I wonder if he's willing to give up freedoms for convenience.


What freedoms am I giving up?





You didn't answer the question. Do you endorse Taibbi's criticism?
Do you have any concerns at all?


Yes, but I'm more concerned about Iran, China, & Russia than the privacy of non-citizens contacting foreigners.

What do you think?


You are insane if you want to give FBI and the intelligence agents anymore power after all the **** they have pulled since 2016.

The FBI or intelligence agencies have proven they are far, far, far more likely to attack you than Iran, Russia, or China...


Not true
Google Meta data?
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FLBear5630 said:

Well, I guess Johnson is a Neo-Con, UniParty, Liberal...

This line sounds familiar, McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner and now Johnson. All Neo-Cons? All UniParty Dems?




Maybe they know something we don't!
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FLBear5630 said:

Well, I guess Johnson is a Neo-Con, UniParty, Liberal...

This line sounds familiar, McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner and now Johnson. All Neo-Cons? All UniParty Dems?


Yes, they all (both parties) are owned by Israel and the militaary industrial complex except maybe Massie and Rand Paul. It wouldnt be as noticeable if we werent $35 trillion in debt with a wide open border & cities literally falling apart w homeless camps everywhere. It pisses me off that I had to write a damn near six figure check this week that goes to help foreign countries and illegal aliens.
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FLBear5630 said:

Well, I guess Johnson is a Neo-Con, UniParty, Liberal...

This line sounds familiar, McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner and now Johnson. All Neo-Cons? All UniParty Dems?


He's completely flipped on his positions.

He was once heavily against FISA abuses, now he's pro FISA. That means something transpired and made him turn his back on his constituents.
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boognish_bear said:



What's inside the $95 billion House package focused on aiding Ukraine and Israel
WASHINGTON (AP) Speaker Mike Johnson has unveiled a long-awaited package of bills that will provide military aid to Ukraine and Israel, replenish U.S. weapons systems and give humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza.

The package totals $95.3 billion in spending, which matches the total that the Senate passed in mid-February. But there are also a few differences with the Senate bill designed to win over some House conservatives.

Here's a look at what is in the bills that Johnson hopes to pass by this weekend.

UKRAINE

The aid to support Ukraine totals about $61 billion. Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee said that more than a third of that amount would be dedicated to replenishing weapons and ammunition systems for the U.S. military.

The overall amount of money provided to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons from the U.S. is roughly the same in the House and Senate bills $13.8 billion.

The main difference between the two packages is that the House bill provides more than $9 billion in economic assistance to Ukraine in the form of "forgivable loans." The Senate bill included no such provision seeking repayment.

The president would be authorized to set the terms of the loan to Ukraine and also be given the power to cancel it. Congress could override the cancellation but would have to generate enough votes to override a veto, a high bar considering how the two chambers are so evenly divided.

Johnson, as he seeks GOP support for the package, noted that former President Donald Trump has endorsed a "loan concept."

He also noted that the House package includes a requirement for the Biden administration to provide a plan and a strategy to Congress for what it seeks to achieve in Ukraine. The plan would be required within 45 days of the bill being signed into law. House Republicans frequently complain that they have yet to see a strategy from Biden for winning the war.

The bill said the report from the administration must be a multiyear plan that spells out "specific and achievable objectives." It also asked for an estimate of the resources required to achieve the U.S. objectives and a description of the national security implications if the objectives are not met.

ISRAEL

Aid in the legislation to support Israel and provide humanitarian relief to citizens of Gaza comes to more than $26 billion. The amount of money dedicated to replenishing Israel's missile defense systems totals about $4 billion in the House and Senate bills. An additional $2.4 billion for current U.S. military operations in the regions is also the same in both bills.

Some conservatives have been critical of the aid for Gaza. At the end of the day, though, Johnson risked losing critical Democratic support for the package if Republicans had excluded it. The humanitarian assistance comes to more than $9 billion for Gaza, where millions of Palestinians face starvation, lack of clean water and disease outbreaks.

INDO-PACIFIC

The investments to counter China and ensure a strong deterrence in the region come to about $8 billion. The overall amount of money and the investments in the two bills is about the same with a quarter of funds used to replenish weapons and ammunition systems that had been provided to Taiwan.


It's a good thing we don't have billions of dollars of needs in this country.
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Doc Holliday said:

FLBear5630 said:

Well, I guess Johnson is a Neo-Con, UniParty, Liberal...

This line sounds familiar, McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner and now Johnson. All Neo-Cons? All UniParty Dems?


He's completely flipped on his positions.

He was once heavily against FISA abuses, now he's pro FISA. That means something transpired and made him turn his back on his constituents.
Could it be knowledge that he did not have before?
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muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Well, I guess Johnson is a Neo-Con, UniParty, Liberal...

This line sounds familiar, McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner and now Johnson. All Neo-Cons? All UniParty Dems?


Yes, they all (both parties) are owned by Israel and the militaary industrial complex except maybe Massie and Rand Paul. It wouldnt be as noticeable if we werent $35 trillion in debt with a wide open border & cities literally falling apart w homeless camps everywhere. It pisses me off that I had to write a damn near six figure check this week that goes to help foreign countries and illegal aliens.

Same brother!

I'm in my mid-thirties and had to pay over $100k in taxes for 2023 for the first time and I've been so pissed off all week I had to hop back on to this site and scream at some of the aholes who vote for this lunacy as a form of therapy.

I have to think a lot of guys on this board either work directly for the government or in some type of crony capitalist company where free markets dont apply and they receive all their funding from the government, i.e the MIC.

Massie, Paul, MTG, Chip Roy and the less vocal member of the freedom caucus are the only ones who can stay.

I think Cruz is ok and I will still be voting for him. I really like his domestic policies but when it comes to foreign policy, he is taking those AIPAC checks.

Cornyn is a demon. That POS has done absolutely nothing for his constituents. Unfortunately we are stuck with the ******* for years to come.
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I applaud the speaker for doing the right thing and risking his gig. About time the R's have someone with balls and principles. Screw the hard right crazies, like some on this board!
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boognish_bear said:




Standing up to the bullies will make him an effective Speaker.
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J.R. said:

I applaud the speaker for doing the right thing and risking his gig. About time the R's have someone with balls and principles. Screw the hard right crazies, like some on this board!

Hard right crazies = People with IQs above room temperature.

This is precisely why we need a national divorce.

Guys like you are dragging down the rest of us into the 3rd world, totalitarian abyss when we are just trying to preserve the quality of life and freedoms we got to experience for our children and grandchildren.


 
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