From Pence to Johnson, America’s evangelicals are failing their political mandate https://t.co/rmANqYO2ri pic.twitter.com/kmdCMlAZxG

— TheBlaze (@theblaze) April 19, 2024

The_barBEARian said:

Spending more on foreigners and deflating your savings will make you a slave.

Maybe you are content being a slave.

Some of us are not.

And Putin is not a bully. He is tough because he has to be. He trying to run a civilized, Christian country surrounded by violent, uncompromising Islamofacists requires brutality.

Weak men have allowed evil men to take over America and Europe and it's hard times ahead for the future generations.

The Native Americans called and said they built this country way before you arrived

In a rare bipartisan move, 165 Democrats voted with 151 Republicans to prevent Rep. Mike Johnson's (R-La.) foreign aid package from being blocked, setting the stage for the bill to be passed early Saturday afternoon.https://t.co/ua1q3dbZxJ

— Axios (@axios) April 19, 2024

The_barBEARian said:

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J.R. said:

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I applaud the speaker for doing the right thing and risking his gig. About time the R's have someone with balls and principles. Screw the hard right crazies, like some on this board!

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Hard right crazies = People with IQs above room temperature.

This is precisely why we need a national divorce.

Guys like you are dragging down the rest of us into the 3rd world, totalitarian abyss when we are just trying to preserve the quality of life and freedoms we got to experience for our children and grandchildren.

Quality of life is what u make of it. Quit withe woe is me crap. Nut up

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The rule for considering the bill historically a straight party-line vote passed with more Democratic than Republican support, but it also won a majority of G.O.P. votes, making it clear that despite a pocket of deep resistance from the far right, there is broad bipartisan backing for the $95.3 billion package.

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Gee might as well not even vote... you get ****ed either way

316-94: House approves a rule for debating foreign aid bills, after far-right Republicans opposed it.

More Democrats (165) voted for the GOP rule than Republicans (151). 55 Republicans and 39 Dems voted “no.”

Final votes in the House are scheduled for Saturday. pic.twitter.com/dJLFKQ2hjj

— The Recount (@therecount) April 19, 2024

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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boognish_bear said:

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316-94: House approves a rule for debating foreign aid bills, after far-right Republicans opposed it.

More Democrats (165) voted for the GOP rule than Republicans (151). 55 Republicans and 39 Dems voted “no.”

Final votes in the House are scheduled for Saturday. pic.twitter.com/dJLFKQ2hjj

— The Recount (@therecount) April 19, 2024

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This is a good outcome. Can't let 8-10 people derail the country.

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Tells me Mr Johnson cut a deal with the Dems. Far Right has just lost its juice...

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American people just lost its juice.

Please let your children and grandchildren know you supported all this so they know where to direct their hate in the near future.

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A little melodramatic?

Far right go too far, simple as that. When you are following Greene, you really need to check your lane.

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You got to live a better life than you kids and if you live long enough you'll be appalled at the living standards of your grandkids.

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100% correct as this ongoing decline has happened previously in many places throughout the world.

However most people are just too short sighted and inexperienced to connect the dots .

Son # 2 is moving overseas in a few weeks. He has the cash, health, vision and freedom of action to act.


Most people don't.

KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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boognish_bear said:

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316-94: House approves a rule for debating foreign aid bills, after far-right Republicans opposed it.

More Democrats (165) voted for the GOP rule than Republicans (151). 55 Republicans and 39 Dems voted “no.”

Final votes in the House are scheduled for Saturday. pic.twitter.com/dJLFKQ2hjj

— The Recount (@therecount) April 19, 2024

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This is a good outcome. Can't let 8-10 people derail the country.

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Tells me Mr Johnson cut a deal with the Dems. Far Right has just lost its juice...

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American people just lost its juice.

Please let your children and grandchildren know you supported all this so they know where to direct their hate in the near future.

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A little melodramatic?

Far right go too far, simple as that. When you are following Greene, you really need to check your lane.

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You got to live a better life than you kids and if you live long enough you'll be appalled at the living standards of your grandkids.

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100% correct as this ongoing decline has happened previously in many places throughout the world.

However most people are just too short sighted and inexperienced to connect the dots .

Son # 2 is moving overseas in a few weeks. He has the cash, health, vision and freedom of action to act.


Most people don't.

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That's beautiful Kai!

Congratulations!

And your son is lucky to have a father with foresight.

FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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boognish_bear said:

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316-94: House approves a rule for debating foreign aid bills, after far-right Republicans opposed it.

More Democrats (165) voted for the GOP rule than Republicans (151). 55 Republicans and 39 Dems voted “no.”

Final votes in the House are scheduled for Saturday. pic.twitter.com/dJLFKQ2hjj

— The Recount (@therecount) April 19, 2024

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This is a good outcome. Can't let 8-10 people derail the country.

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Tells me Mr Johnson cut a deal with the Dems. Far Right has just lost its juice...

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American people just lost its juice.

Please let your children and grandchildren know you supported all this so they know where to direct their hate in the near future.

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A little melodramatic?

Far right go too far, simple as that. When you are following Greene, you really need to check your lane.

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Not dramatic at all Florida.

You got to live a better life than you kids and if you live long enough you'll be appalled at the living standards of your grandkids.

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A bit presumptuous. Life is what you make it. There will always be winners and losers in any decision that is made. How they work with those constraints and opportunities will have a bigger impact on my Grandkids standard of living than this Bill. You ain't changing and growing, you are dying. Change is inevitable.

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That's true Florida... but there will be less opportunity and fewer winners.

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Johnson, McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner, Hastert...

The names of the players may change, but the lousy GOP game plan remains.

Gingrich was the only GOP speaker in my memory that broke the mold for a time and so much as got a couple of first downs.

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But Gingrich was able to realize that this is not personal. He and Clinton actually were able to compromise. They disagreed on how to move the Nation forward, but they both agreed to move the Nation forward.

The current Administration and Congress are not at the same quality, they are not adults. They think this is an XBOX game.

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Well the country has radically changed since that time....religiously, demographically, ideologically since 1994

Someone can probably pull up the bubble map showing how the parties have moved to their extremes over the past 30 years (Democrats moving Left more than Republicans moving Right)

Certainly you know that the USA is in the middle of a massive polarization era....one that will probably go on for decades.

Reagan and Tip O'Neill could work together because they were similar men and their party voters were not that much different either in 1980

J.R. said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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J.R. said:

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I applaud the speaker for doing the right thing and risking his gig. About time the R's have someone with balls and principles. Screw the hard right crazies, like some on this board!

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Hard right crazies = People with IQs above room temperature.

This is precisely why we need a national divorce.

Guys like you are dragging down the rest of us into the 3rd world, totalitarian abyss when we are just trying to preserve the quality of life and freedoms we got to experience for our children and grandchildren.

Quality of life is what u make of it. Quit withe woe is me crap. Nut up

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Quality of life is what you make of it, quit the woe is me and Do something

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer

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Got any proof he is a "young earther"?

Link?

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The_barBEARian said:

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J.R. said:

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I applaud the speaker for doing the right thing and risking his gig. About time the R's have someone with balls and principles. Screw the hard right crazies, like some on this board!

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Hard right crazies = People with IQs above room temperature.

This is precisely why we need a national divorce.

Guys like you are dragging down the rest of us into the 3rd world, totalitarian abyss when we are just trying to preserve the quality of life and freedoms we got to experience for our children and grandchildren.

Quality of life is what u make of it. Quit withe woe is me crap. Nut up

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Quality of life is what you make of it, quit the woe is me and Do something

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I hope you hold that same level of disdain for people who whine about historical events that happened 80 years ago, 150 years ago, or 250 years ago.

I think whining about the future is more productive than whining about the past.

Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Johnson, McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner, Hastert...

The names of the players may change, but the lousy GOP game plan remains.

Gingrich was the only GOP speaker in my memory that broke the mold for a time and so much as got a couple of first downs.

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But Gingrich was able to realize that this is not personal. He and Clinton actually were able to compromise. They disagreed on how to move the Nation forward, but they both agreed to move the Nation forward.

The current Administration and Congress are not at the same quality, they are not adults. They think this is an XBOX game.

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Well the country has radically changed since that time....religiously, demographically, ideologically since 1994

Someone can probably pull up the bubble map showing how the parties have moved to their extremes over the past 30 years (Democrats moving Left more than Republicans moving Right)

Certainly you know that the USA is in the middle of a massive polarization era....one that will probably go on for decades.

Reagan and Tip O'Neill could work together because they were similar men and their party voters were not that much different either in 1980

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True to a point. Believe it or not, we all still have common ground.

Would like to see more work there, if nothing else. Even Biden and Trump have common ground if they would let their egos down for a minute. Newt and Clinton were able to do that.

This is not about positions, it is about communication. There is not one person on this Board that I have NOTHING in common with. I have never met one person that you can't find anything to agree on.

KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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boognish_bear said:

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316-94: House approves a rule for debating foreign aid bills, after far-right Republicans opposed it.

More Democrats (165) voted for the GOP rule than Republicans (151). 55 Republicans and 39 Dems voted “no.”

Final votes in the House are scheduled for Saturday. pic.twitter.com/dJLFKQ2hjj

— The Recount (@therecount) April 19, 2024

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This is a good outcome. Can't let 8-10 people derail the country.

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Tells me Mr Johnson cut a deal with the Dems. Far Right has just lost its juice...

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American people just lost its juice.

Please let your children and grandchildren know you supported all this so they know where to direct their hate in the near future.

---

A little melodramatic?

Far right go too far, simple as that. When you are following Greene, you really need to check your lane.

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You got to live a better life than you kids and if you live long enough you'll be appalled at the living standards of your grandkids.

---

100% correct as this ongoing decline has happened previously in many places throughout the world.

However most people are just too short sighted and inexperienced to connect the dots .

Son # 2 is moving overseas in a few weeks. He has the cash, health, vision and freedom of action to act.


Most people don't.

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Which country/region if you don't mind me asking?

Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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boognish_bear said:

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316-94: House approves a rule for debating foreign aid bills, after far-right Republicans opposed it.

More Democrats (165) voted for the GOP rule than Republicans (151). 55 Republicans and 39 Dems voted “no.”

Final votes in the House are scheduled for Saturday. pic.twitter.com/dJLFKQ2hjj

— The Recount (@therecount) April 19, 2024

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This is a good outcome. Can't let 8-10 people derail the country.

---

Tells me Mr Johnson cut a deal with the Dems. Far Right has just lost its juice...

---

American people just lost its juice.

Please let your children and grandchildren know you supported all this so they know where to direct their hate in the near future.

---

A little melodramatic?

Far right go too far, simple as that. When you are following Greene, you really need to check your lane.

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Not dramatic at all Florida.

You got to live a better life than you kids and if you live long enough you'll be appalled at the living standards of your grandkids.

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A bit presumptuous. Life is what you make it. There will always be winners and losers in any decision that is made. How they work with those constraints and opportunities will have a bigger impact on my Grandkids standard of living than this Bill. You ain't changing and growing, you are dying. Change is inevitable.

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That's true Florida... but there will be less opportunity and fewer winners.

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Yeah, but the answer is not MAGA. Just look at Johnson. Johnson was Conservative before Greene knew what Politics is. Johnson understands DC and the position he is in to effect change. Johnson is getting the best deal he can under the present circumstances. That is a good Representative of the People.

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The whole point is that he is not effecting any change.

Another $90+ billion dollar spending/looting bill for more war abroad is what conservative Reps. were sent to stop.

He is now working with Democrats to get the bill passed because it represents DC consensus on interventionism and foreign policy.

So business as usual.

GOP leaders talk about change....and deliver business as usual

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what else is he getting with that bill?

Looks like it is 5 bills. Ukraine is in the form of a loan, which is better than before, and the 5th is Border, which everyone wants too.

FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Johnson, McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner, Hastert...

The names of the players may change, but the lousy GOP game plan remains.

Gingrich was the only GOP speaker in my memory that broke the mold for a time and so much as got a couple of first downs.

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But Gingrich was able to realize that this is not personal. He and Clinton actually were able to compromise. They disagreed on how to move the Nation forward, but they both agreed to move the Nation forward.

The current Administration and Congress are not at the same quality, they are not adults. They think this is an XBOX game.

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Well the country has radically changed since that time....religiously, demographically, ideologically since 1994

Someone can probably pull up the bubble map showing how the parties have moved to their extremes over the past 30 years (Democrats moving Left more than Republicans moving Right)

Certainly you know that the USA is in the middle of a massive polarization era....one that will probably go on for decades.

Reagan and Tip O'Neill could work together because they were similar men and their party voters were not that much different either in 1980

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True to a point. Believe it or not, we all still have common ground.

Would like to see more work there, if nothing else. Even Biden and Trump have common ground if they would let their egos down for a minute. Newt and Clinton were able to do that.

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As Americans become radically changed on cultural issues, ideological issues, and ethnic issues it will be harder to come to consensus.

America of 1994 feels like a different country completely...one totally gone.

(for instance the last Democratic Presential candidates had a LGBTQ town hall talking about how they were going to strip Churches of their tax status for not being on board with LGTBQ....can't even imagine that taking place in 2010 much less 1994)

And again Newt and Clinton were not that different either as people.

[He also over time disabused himself of the idea that Clinton was a "closet liberal.'' By 1997, he appreciated that Clinton "was a much more complicated person.... Clinton really is a southern Baptist populist,'' he reflected years later.]

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/05/29/the-pact-between-bill-clinton-and-newt-gingrich

Newt was basically an army brat from a Lutheran military family originally from Pennsylvania who ended up in Georgia.

Clinton was a Baptist from Arkansas.

They had a similar-ish background.

Ilhan Omar and Marjorie Greene they were not

FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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boognish_bear said:

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316-94: House approves a rule for debating foreign aid bills, after far-right Republicans opposed it.

More Democrats (165) voted for the GOP rule than Republicans (151). 55 Republicans and 39 Dems voted “no.”

Final votes in the House are scheduled for Saturday. pic.twitter.com/dJLFKQ2hjj

— The Recount (@therecount) April 19, 2024

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This is a good outcome. Can't let 8-10 people derail the country.

---

Tells me Mr Johnson cut a deal with the Dems. Far Right has just lost its juice...

---

American people just lost its juice.

Please let your children and grandchildren know you supported all this so they know where to direct their hate in the near future.

---

A little melodramatic?

Far right go too far, simple as that. When you are following Greene, you really need to check your lane.

---

Not dramatic at all Florida.

You got to live a better life than you kids and if you live long enough you'll be appalled at the living standards of your grandkids.

---

A bit presumptuous. Life is what you make it. There will always be winners and losers in any decision that is made. How they work with those constraints and opportunities will have a bigger impact on my Grandkids standard of living than this Bill. You ain't changing and growing, you are dying. Change is inevitable.

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That's true Florida... but there will be less opportunity and fewer winners.

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Yeah, but the answer is not MAGA. Just look at Johnson. Johnson was Conservative before Greene knew what Politics is. Johnson understands DC and the position he is in to effect change. Johnson is getting the best deal he can under the present circumstances. That is a good Representative of the People.

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The whole point is that he is not effecting any change.

Another $90+ billion dollar spending/looting bill for more war abroad is what conservative Reps. were sent to stop.

He is now working with Democrats to get the bill passed because it represents DC consensus on interventionism and foreign policy.

So business as usual.

GOP leaders talk about change....and deliver business as usual

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what else is he getting with that bill?

Looks like it is 5 bills. Ukraine is in the form of a loan, which is better than before, and the 5th is Border, which everyone wants too.

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It is a watered down version of the bill already floated and the Senate will simply not even pick that one up.

Classic DC slight of hand...."you have to pass all these bills to get border security"...when of course the Democratic Senate will not even take up the border bill at all.

[The fifth bill is a watered-down version of HR 2, the border security bill passed out of the House earlier this Congress.
At first glance, it might appear that Johnson is attaching real border security to Ukraine aid. While Johnson wishes the GOP base to believe that, the facts are less compelling.
"The fifth bill, that's the pretend, weakened, border Security, so to speak, but it's not going to have any leverage attached to it," Good said. "The Senate will just ignore that fifth bill of course and not take it up. It's showmanship, it's theater. I think this further diminishes the speaker before the Republicans across the country."]

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/johnson-ties-his-own-noose-with-foreign-aid-package/

FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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boognish_bear said:

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316-94: House approves a rule for debating foreign aid bills, after far-right Republicans opposed it.

More Democrats (165) voted for the GOP rule than Republicans (151). 55 Republicans and 39 Dems voted “no.”

Final votes in the House are scheduled for Saturday. pic.twitter.com/dJLFKQ2hjj

— The Recount (@therecount) April 19, 2024

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This is a good outcome. Can't let 8-10 people derail the country.

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Tells me Mr Johnson cut a deal with the Dems. Far Right has just lost its juice...

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I don't know that he did. My bet is he met the threats from the chaos caucus head on.

House Democrats' step to rescue Mike Johnson's foreign aid package is the starkest evidence to date that the GOP's fractured and tiny majority has effectively yielded to something resembling a bipartisan coalition. https://t.co/5KZNCWuqYx

— Axios (@axios) April 19, 2024

[Johnson's betrayal of his own conference is historic. As Rachel Bovard of the Conservative Partnership Institute told TAC yesterday, "It's one thing for a rule to pass with Democrat support on the House floor. But it's a different thing to force it out of Rules with minority votes. I don't think that's ever happened."

"This is worse than John Boehner. If you consider John Boehner the peak level of violence against conservatives," she added.

"If he forces a rule out of the Rules Committee on the backs of Democrats to fund a war that his conference doesn't want to fund," Bovard said, then "nobody's in charge at that point. You don't have a majority party at that point."]

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/democrats-save-johnsons-military-spending-but-will-they-save-his-speakership/