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JERUSALEM, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Almost three in four Palestinians believe the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel was correct, and the ensuing Gaza war has lifted support for the Islamist group both there and in the West Bank, a survey from a respected Palestinian polling institute found.

The Palestinian Center for Policy Survey and Research (PCPSR)

Seventy-two percent of respondents said they believed the Hamas decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel was "correct" given its outcome so far, while 22% said it was "incorrect". The remainder were undecided or gave no answer.

Hamas, which is sworn to Israel's destruction, has ruled Gaza since splitting with the Palestinian Authority (PA) in 2007. The PA exercises limited governance in the West Bank.

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UT police don't want to release body camera footage from the first day of the major pro-Palestinian protests on campus last month. They've asked the AG to let them withhold the videos. #txlege #TPIA #FOIA pic.twitter.com/xdNWLVrDF6

— Lauren McGaughy 🎧 (@lmcgaughy) May 9, 2024

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https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/
A more nuanced look at BLM

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$4B in damage and 20+ murders.

We really have an anti-fact, anti-intellectual contingent in 'Murica.

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That vile movement also came with mass support from the DC political class, the universities, Wall St, and most of the culture forming institutions of power in the USA

But to people like ATL the real danger is not Marxist revolution (in the streets or in the the Federal Government) it's always those dreadful White Christian nationalists…

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So I was asked a question and answered and that means I think Christian Nationalism is a bigger threat than Marxism? Incredible. Learn to have some nuance, and maybe understand life isn't binary. You can have thoughts and opinions across a spectrum.

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The point is that Christianity is total collapse in the USA

Whites have been drive down to less than 63% of population and declining

And in all US power centers (DC, Hollywood, Academia, silicone valley, and Wall St) Christianity is openly despised and seen as a hopelessly out of fashion

The whole of idea of "White Christian nationalism" is a bogeyman.

No one can be treated as serious who even brings up the idea that it's a real thing.

If the concept was a flight of fantasy in 1954 is absolutely impossible and ridiculous to bring up in 2024

Now racial-cultural Marxism….that has real power

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I think you're proving my point that it is a "thing". Your comments made it both ethno and religious…

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But it's not a thing

It's a made up internet discussion topic and hobby horse of the Media-Academic complex

It's not real

There is no political party or major U.S. power center out there in the real world advocating for it.

And even if there was….in an America where Christianity is in collapse and Whites account for less of a percentage of the population every year there is no pathway for it to be realized.

Its about as real as American monarchism.

At this point anyone saying it's real is suspect

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Strange days.

Islamic Radicals
Liberal Extremists
Right Wing Christian Nationalists

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Islamic radicals behead people, rape and kill children.
Liberal extremists want to indoctrinate children into the rainbow cult and also support the Islamic extremists. Rightwing Christian nationalists don't want you to kill your unborn children, don't want the rainbow cult in schools and love their country.

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And don't like the Jews, are sympathetic to Gaza, talk about ZOG, Zionist supremacy, etc.

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Christian Nationalists is a BS creation of the leftwing nutjobs.

It is a label used to describe anyone who believes in God, or believes the Bible, or loves America, or voted for Trump, or doesn't like Joe Biden... or any combination of those.

In other words... anyone who is not a full supporter of Joe Biden is labeled as a "dangerous Christian Nationalist". It is just another stupid ploy by the uni-party, to keep the people behind Joe Biden, in power.

The very idea that a "right wing" person, or a Christian, or someone who believes in "America first" would have ANY common ground with either a Islamic Radical or a Liberal Extremeist... that is just ridiculous.

Islamic Extremists hate America and want to completely destroy the West. That is the polar opposite of a right winger, a Christian and the basic idea of "America first".

Liberal Extremists hate the founding of our nation, the Constitution as written, the Bible, Christianity, Capitalism, and the free exchange of ideas (especially on X). These are all polar opposite positions of right wingers, Christians and the "America first" crowd.

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There are intersections on lots of issues. Don't be blind. I'm pointing out the intersection on this specific topic. I mean are you seeing some of the comments getting thrown around on this and related threads?

There is a new popularity of Christian nationalism that has nothing to do with Conservative or evangelical Christianity, which used to be the target of the left, or pro America patriotism, or even right wing. In fact this new breed has anti-capitalist leanings masking it in anti-globalism and/or pro labor anti-corporations that mimic the left (remember Occupy Wall Street?), and even anti-freedom as they seek not to reverse liberal trends of suppression (something I completely agree is occurring), but wanting to mirror their tactics in areas they support. An honest assessment of what's being argued and advocated would see the intersection of what would seemingly be ideological opposites.

If you want to define it under a different name because you think it disparages Christianity or patriotism, I'm open to whatever label you wish to apply. But unlike the left, I'm following a specific and known identity of Christian nationalism that dates back a long time. Even the "America first" label is being co-opted and abused as a cover for ulterior motives.

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If you really want to explain this position, give an example. Who is a perfect example of a "Christian Nationalist", and then explain how they embody that label.

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BarBearian. It's self explanatory so to speak.

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You know what... I'll accept that title.

I genuinely don't see anything wrong with being labeled a Christian Nationalist.

You guys mean it as a slur, but I'll take it as a badge of honor.

This country desperately needs more Christianity and Nationalism.

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Christianity and nationalism are not particularly compatible.

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Nationalism implies a loyalty to the nation and placing the nation's interests above the interests of other groups. One of those "other groups" would be the Church. Christianity, on the other hand, tends to call for loyalty to Christ, and Christ alone.

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So you do not believe it is possible to be a Christian, but also believe that the nation's interests should be above all other interest groups... except for Christ?
I am a Christian first, and an American second... but i do believe that the interest of America should come before all other groups, except for Christ. It is really funny that you think that Nationalists can only be called Nationalists if they put the nation above Christ. That's just silly.

I suppose someone couldn't be a Baylor fan and also a Christian? How can one be a fan of Baylor without placing Baylor above their devotion to Christ? LOL

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You seem to align God and country as one, or advocate a joint loyalty of both to the exclusion of others. That's the issue. And I can tell you family comes in the slot between God and country for me, and I believe most do as well.

I spend too much time in places where religious nationalism creates nothing but turmoil domestically and internationally to stand by and not say something when I see some of the rhetoric going on. I feel as if the whole Putin/Russian church unholy alliance has emboldened a dangerous sentiment, having nothing to do with yes/no to Ukraine War support.

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I think you are arguing with someone in high school, maybe a college freshman. The bar for entering into this forum is low, i.e. anyone can come. If we were meeting in person to discuss this, we probably wouldn't pay any attention to about half the folks weighing in

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I think Christian Nationalism is a fair and important subject of discussion. It is difficult to find an extensive critique of Evangelicals and/or Christian Conservatives without an accusation of Christian Nationalism.

I probably agree with Atl more than anyone posting here and strongly disagree with many positions of those on the other side. But I don't chalk any of it up to Christian Nationalism. Heck, I'm still not sure it means or what it covers. I often disagree with Shooter, but he posed fair questions.

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I genuinely don't know what is Christian Nationalism. It feels like another mythical bogeyman created by the extreme left to demonize Christians. Honest question - not being hyperbolic:
1. What specifically is Christian Nationalism? Is it a group? A set of ideas? Is there a membership role?
2. What are the tenets of Christian Nationalism? What must one believe to become a "Christian Nationalist?"
3. Can anyone share examples of Christian Nationalists? Who are the leaders? Where are their meetings?

My radical LWNJ friends always bloviate about Christian nationalists while excusing callas for Jewish genocide, so I sort of think it might be made up to get the left-wing noise machine content to fire up the crazy base.

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Fair questions, so I'll give it a shot.

First for what Christian Nationalism is NOT, which is what the left way overplays applying the label.

It is not just having a belief in conservative Christian ideology.
It is not because one supports traditional Christian values.
It is not having a deep patriotic sentiment about America.
It is not defined by being opposed to the LGBTQ political and social agenda, or being anti-abortion.
It isn't because you support the Republican Party or Donald Trump.

Someone can check some or all those boxes and not be a "Christian Nationalist" regardless of whether the leftist opinion is otherwise.

What it is is an ethno religious philosophy that supports/advocates an expanding role of religion in all facets of society, and tries to frame God/Christianity in the context of specific national identity. In the Islamic world it manifests as a religious theocracy with harsh autocratic boundaries. We have the laws in this nation which limit that extreme. But the hyper powerful nature of the executive branch creates autocratic avenues for abuse. The left certainly uses those avenues.

In the U.S. we are in the sentiment/public advocacy phase. The ideas are able to gain some broader traction primarily due to the power and reach of social media. But the "Holy War" rhetoric is not lost on me.

Where do we see it? I fully support addressing the border as a policy, but when I see rallies calling people "God's Army" with a specific God/Country/Politician alignment, it's disheartening and cheapens our faith. It also smacks of Christian Nationalism. You're not fighting God's cause. You're fighting for the secular cause of a sound policy for a sovereign country with economic, social, security, and legal concerns.

I see the seven mountain mandate gaining traction, and the twisting of Washington's famous "An Appeal to Heaven" symbols. I believe Charlie Kirk and TPUSA are fomenting religious nationalist sentiment well beyond the cultural appeals of Reagan or Bush. Marjorie Taylor Greene and others even identified themselves as such.

Framing spiritual warfare around secular policy conflict is simply trying to channel God's authority to a political purpose, and the rhetoric of "good vs evil" in the religious context has gained tremendous traction and a national/political call to arms.

Finally, the strange affinity for Putin has shaken out of the bush sentiments and people who view him as some leader of a Christian cause against the decadence of the West. It's as if the alignment of an autocrat and a supportive Christian church deserves our empathy and ignoring of the decidedly un-Christian actions of the despot. Who would have thought?

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I am sort of tracking with you ... but my question remains ... who is the leader of the group? Where is the headquarters? When is its convention? When was its last march?

What acts of violence have been carried out by so-called "Christian nationalists?" What discrimination has been carried out by so-called "Christian nationalists?" To compare them to Muslim terrorists feels really immature and anti-intellectual.

Christian leaders have been calling for spiritual revival in the U.S. for 250 years. It's silly to think one's faith would not inform one's political ideas.

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Who's comparing them? I simply pointed out the shared position on Gaza from the hard cores. That obviously set off the tailspin.

And I wouldn't compare this current wave to something like Billy Graham's revival for America or Washington's proclamation of providence. I'm all for the appeal to personal faith to guide us. It's when it becomes an advocacy for institutional purpose when I get a little worried.

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I suppose you are unaware of the insane levels of attack against ALL Christian values in America today. Maybe if you were aware, you could understand the rise in rhetoric among Christians. The slippery slope has turned into a shear cliff. Christians are openly attacked with words, policies, lawsuits and violence... all over America. The nation is on a quick road to hell... so yeah, it is totally normal to see more and more outspoken Christians in that context.

I have yet to see any actual examples of someone calling themselves "God's Army". I imagine such examples would be about as prevalent as the Westboro Church group. The media made it seem like the Westboro nutjobs were everywhere, when in reality they had barely 2 dozen members.

Don't be fooled. The term Christian Nationalism is being used to attack ALL Christians who do not get on board with LGBTQ ideology and Soviet style socialism. Maybe you are not doing that, but the majority of folks who use the term are targeting anyone who reads & follows the Bible.

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Is Texas procurement that corrupt?

— David Jensen🇺🇸🌻🇩🇰 (@DAJensen07) May 10, 2024

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Islamic Radicals
Liberal Extremists
Right Wing Christian Nationalists

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Islamic radicals behead people, rape and kill children.
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And don't like the Jews, are sympathetic to Gaza, talk about ZOG, Zionist supremacy, etc.

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Christian Nationalists is a BS creation of the leftwing nutjobs.

It is a label used to describe anyone who believes in God, or believes the Bible, or loves America, or voted for Trump, or doesn't like Joe Biden... or any combination of those.

In other words... anyone who is not a full supporter of Joe Biden is labeled as a "dangerous Christian Nationalist". It is just another stupid ploy by the uni-party, to keep the people behind Joe Biden, in power.

The very idea that a "right wing" person, or a Christian, or someone who believes in "America first" would have ANY common ground with either a Islamic Radical or a Liberal Extremeist... that is just ridiculous.

Islamic Extremists hate America and want to completely destroy the West. That is the polar opposite of a right winger, a Christian and the basic idea of "America first".

Liberal Extremists hate the founding of our nation, the Constitution as written, the Bible, Christianity, Capitalism, and the free exchange of ideas (especially on X). These are all polar opposite positions of right wingers, Christians and the "America first" crowd.

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There are intersections on lots of issues. Don't be blind. I'm pointing out the intersection on this specific topic. I mean are you seeing some of the comments getting thrown around on this and related threads?

There is a new popularity of Christian nationalism that has nothing to do with Conservative or evangelical Christianity, which used to be the target of the left, or pro America patriotism, or even right wing. In fact this new breed has anti-capitalist leanings masking it in anti-globalism and/or pro labor anti-corporations that mimic the left (remember Occupy Wall Street?), and even anti-freedom as they seek not to reverse liberal trends of suppression (something I completely agree is occurring), but wanting to mirror their tactics in areas they support. An honest assessment of what's being argued and advocated would see the intersection of what would seemingly be ideological opposites.

If you want to define it under a different name because you think it disparages Christianity or patriotism, I'm open to whatever label you wish to apply. But unlike the left, I'm following a specific and known identity of Christian nationalism that dates back a long time. Even the "America first" label is being co-opted and abused as a cover for ulterior motives.

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If you really want to explain this position, give an example. Who is a perfect example of a "Christian Nationalist", and then explain how they embody that label.

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BarBearian. It's self explanatory so to speak.

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You know what... I'll accept that title.

I genuinely don't see anything wrong with being labeled a Christian Nationalist.

You guys mean it as a slur, but I'll take it as a badge of honor.

This country desperately needs more Christianity and Nationalism.

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Christianity and nationalism are not particularly compatible.

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Nationalism implies a loyalty to the nation and placing the nation's interests above the interests of other groups. One of those "other groups" would be the Church. Christianity, on the other hand, tends to call for loyalty to Christ, and Christ alone.

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So you do not believe it is possible to be a Christian, but also believe that the nation's interests should be above all other interest groups... except for Christ?
I am a Christian first, and an American second... but i do believe that the interest of America should come before all other groups, except for Christ. It is really funny that you think that Nationalists can only be called Nationalists if they put the nation above Christ. That's just silly.

I suppose someone couldn't be a Baylor fan and also a Christian? How can one be a fan of Baylor without placing Baylor above their devotion to Christ? LOL

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You seem to align God and country as one, or advocate a joint loyalty of both to the exclusion of others. That's the issue. And I can tell you family comes in the slot between God and country for me, and I believe most do as well.

I spend too much time in places where religious nationalism creates nothing but turmoil domestically and internationally to stand by and not say something when I see some of the rhetoric going on. I feel as if the whole Putin/Russian church unholy alliance has emboldened a dangerous sentiment, having nothing to do with yes/no to Ukraine War support.

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I think you are arguing with someone in high school, maybe a college freshman. The bar for entering into this forum is low, i.e. anyone can come. If we were meeting in person to discuss this, we probably wouldn't pay any attention to about half the folks weighing in

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I think Christian Nationalism is a fair and important subject of discussion. It is difficult to find an extensive critique of Evangelicals and/or Christian Conservatives without an accusation of Christian Nationalism.

I probably agree with Atl more than anyone posting here and strongly disagree with many positions of those on the other side. But I don't chalk any of it up to Christian Nationalism. Heck, I'm still not sure it means or what it covers. I often disagree with Shooter, but he posed fair questions.

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I genuinely don't know what is Christian Nationalism. It feels like another mythical bogeyman created by the extreme left to demonize Christians. Honest question - not being hyperbolic:
1. What specifically is Christian Nationalism? Is it a group? A set of ideas? Is there a membership role?
2. What are the tenets of Christian Nationalism? What must one believe to become a "Christian Nationalist?"
3. Can anyone share examples of Christian Nationalists? Who are the leaders? Where are their meetings?

My radical LWNJ friends always bloviate about Christian nationalists while excusing callas for Jewish genocide, so I sort of think it might be made up to get the left-wing noise machine content to fire up the crazy base.

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Fair questions, so I'll give it a shot.

First for what Christian Nationalism is NOT, which is what the left way overplays applying the label.

It is not just having a belief in conservative Christian ideology.
It is not because one supports traditional Christian values.
It is not having a deep patriotic sentiment about America.
It is not defined by being opposed to the LGBTQ political and social agenda, or being anti-abortion.
It isn't because you support the Republican Party or Donald Trump.

Someone can check some or all those boxes and not be a "Christian Nationalist" regardless of whether the leftist opinion is otherwise.

What it is is an ethno religious philosophy that supports/advocates an expanding role of religion in all facets of society, and tries to frame God/Christianity in the context of specific national identity. In the Islamic world it manifests as a religious theocracy with harsh autocratic boundaries. We have the laws in this nation which limit that extreme. But the hyper powerful nature of the executive branch creates autocratic avenues for abuse. The left certainly uses those avenues.

In the U.S. we are in the sentiment/public advocacy phase. The ideas are able to gain some broader traction primarily due to the power and reach of social media. But the "Holy War" rhetoric is not lost on me.

Where do we see it? I fully support addressing the border as a policy, but when I see rallies calling people "God's Army" with a specific God/Country/Politician alignment, it's disheartening and cheapens our faith. It also smacks of Christian Nationalism. You're not fighting God's cause. You're fighting for the secular cause of a sound policy for a sovereign country with economic, social, security, and legal concerns.

I see the seven mountain mandate gaining traction, and the twisting of Washington's famous "An Appeal to Heaven" symbols. I believe Charlie Kirk and TPUSA are fomenting religious nationalist sentiment well beyond the cultural appeals of Reagan or Bush. Marjorie Taylor Greene and others even identified themselves as such.

Framing spiritual warfare around secular policy conflict is simply trying to channel God's authority to a political purpose, and the rhetoric of "good vs evil" in the religious context has gained tremendous traction and a national/political call to arms.

Finally, the strange affinity for Putin has shaken out of the bush sentiments and people who view him as some leader of a Christian cause against the decadence of the West. It's as if the alignment of an autocrat and a supportive Christian church deserves our empathy and ignoring of the decidedly un-Christian actions of the despot. Who would have thought?

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I am sort of tracking with you ... but my question remains ... who is the leader of the group? Where is the headquarters? When is its convention? When was its last march?

What acts of violence have been carried out by so-called "Christian nationalists?" What discrimination has been carried out by so-called "Christian nationalists?" To compare them to Muslim terrorists feels really immature and anti-intellectual.

Christian leaders have been calling for spiritual revival in the U.S. for 250 years. It's silly to think one's faith would not inform one's political ideas.

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Who's comparing them? I simply pointed out the shared position on Gaza from the hard cores. That obviously set off the tailspin.

And I wouldn't compare this current wave to something like Billy Graham's revival for America or Washington's proclamation of providence. I'm all for the appeal to personal faith to guide us. It's when it becomes an advocacy for institutional purpose when I get a little worried.

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I suppose you are unaware of the insane levels of attack against ALL Christian values in America today. Maybe if you were aware, you could understand the rise in rhetoric among Christians. The slippery slope has turned into a shear cliff. Christians are openly attacked with words, policies, lawsuits and violence... all over America. The nation is on a quick road to hell... so yeah, it is totally normal to see more and more outspoken Christians in that context.

I have yet to see any actual examples of someone calling themselves "God's Army". I imagine such examples would be about as prevalent as the Westboro Church group. The media made it seem like the Westboro nutjobs were everywhere, when in reality they had barely 2 dozen members.

Don't be fooled. The term Christian Nationalism is being used to attack ALL Christians who do not get on board with LGBTQ ideology and Soviet style socialism. Maybe you are not doing that, but the majority of folks who use the term are targeting anyone who reads & follows the Bible.

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Christianity has been under attack since its inception. Sometimes it was external, other times internal. I'd say in the scheme of history, we're in a mild phase of value and moral dilemmas and the cultural struggle around it.

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Solzhenitsyn argued it was easier to be a Christian under the old Soviet system because the evil was right out in the open and you know where the light was…he said it was harder in the modern West

[In 1978, Solzhenitsyn caused great controversy when he criticized the secularism and hedonism of the West in his famous commencement address at Harvard University. Condemning the nations of the so-called free West for being morally bankrupt, he urged that it was time "to defend not so much human rights as human obligations."

The emphasis on rights instead of responsibilities was leading to "the abyss of human decadence" and to the committing of "moral violence against young people, such as motion pictures full of pornography, crime, and horror." At the root of the modern malaise was the modern philosophy of "rationalistic humanism or humanistic autonomy," which declared the "autonomy of man from any higher authority above him." Such a view "could also be called anthropocentrity, with man seen as the centre of all."]

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Will they be joining the Hunger Strike? pic.twitter.com/0vi7gRa2Bz

— Oli London (@OliLondonTV) May 11, 2024

The students that walked out have their own "commencement" now. pic.twitter.com/zgEepRvk2d

— Stu (@thestustustudio) May 12, 2024

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The only tangible thing Jerry Seinfeld has to do with the Israeli-Hamas conflict is he is a Jew.

Imagine a bunch of white kids walking out because there was a black speaker at graduation...that's essentially what is happening here.

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Florida Queers for Palestine are blocking the highway leading to Disney World.

They are helping to “Free Palestine” by ruining the day for regular families

Via @ShirionOrg pic.twitter.com/mnriunlPCt

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) May 12, 2024

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This is Florida,not Portland. Why is that cop just standing there instead of slamming them down to the ground and hauling them off.

These people are miserable.

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University of Washington students block Jews from entering the campus as they chant “There is only one solution.”

🎥 @thehoffather

pic.twitter.com/YN3arE4KCW

— Oli London (@OliLondonTV) May 13, 2024

You need to watch. This is how the Democrats are planning to steal the election.

pic.twitter.com/F6ZOZnglEo

— Juanita Broaddrick (@atensnut) May 13, 2024

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Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Fast....until you get hungry.

The hunger strikers at Princeton passed the baton to seven new strikers: pic.twitter.com/Tm5hK0E1La

— Steve McGuire (@sfmcguire79) May 13, 2024

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Also, this thread is not big on free speech. What is the difference between the First and Second Amendments?

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Big difference between "free speech," as you call it, and the heckler's veto. The latter is what is taking place at Columbia, with pro-Hamas students harassing people for merely being Jewish. Yesterday, they formed a human chain to specifically prevent Jewish students from entering buildings.

Instead of "free speech," it is something more akin to this:

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I am certain both types of speech are happening. Anyone preventing access to public buildings is disturbing the peace. Someone who threatens the person or property of another with intent to follow through is making a criminal threat. If someone lays hands on another, it is assault. Arrest and remove them, which it sounds like the school is doing.


Offensive speech like Death to America and war criminal or flag burning is protected. It has to be for the First Amendment to have any meaning.

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Saying "death" to a country is not protected free speech. Maybe you should learn what the first amendment is first.

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It is a political statement which gets the most protection under the First Amendment. On the other hand it is anti-American. The relevant precedent is Bradenburg v. Ohio where SCOTUS phrased the test this way:

Government cannot censor anti-government speech unless it is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." College kids chanting is not specifc enough to say there is imminentn lawless action and is not likely to produce that action. It is most certanly free speech protected by the First Amendement just as burning American flags is.

Of course Columbia is not the government and it can do whatever it feels appropriate to student chanters.

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"Death to America" and "Death to Israel" are chants that are widely known to be associated with actual physical violence to American and Israeli people, so it can not be viewed simply as political speech.

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"Heil Hitler" is even more widely known to be speech associated with torturing and killing Jews. We protect the right to say that.

There has to be a danger the offensive speech will be acted on for it to be censored.

https://www.aclu.org/wp-content/uploads/legal-documents/4156_ri_1978.pdf

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A Nazi salute is not a call for the death of a specific group. You know the difference here, you're just a shameless apologetic for the left.

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I have explained the reasoning and cited the Supreme Court case that provides it. You have called me names.

BTW, ask a Jew if if the Nazi salute is not a call for the death of a specifc group. If the salute means one thing it means people who give the salute are willing to execute Jews. Similarly did we prosecute the Charlottesville fine people who marched with fire chanting "Jews will not replace us" or "Blood and Soil"? Same thing-reference to abhorrent, offensive concepts is still free speech unless it is intended to be acted on and there is chance it will be acted on.

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No, I didn't call you names, I just stated what I believe to be fact, that leftists like yourself don't live in the same reality as rational people.

A Nazi salute may indicate a person who may agree to a call for the death of Jews, but it is not itself a specific call for the death of Jews. Just like a wearing a white hood and blacks. There is an easy difference to grasp here between a salute and the wearing of a white hood and the actual speech that calls for the death of a specific group.

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You called me a "shameless apolegetic (sic) for the left"

And the reality I live in is that the Supreme COurt defines the parametrs of the First Amendment.

Finally defending Nazii salutes and white hoods as harmless while contending pro-Palestinian chants are criminal threats is seriously weird.

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Jack Bauer said:

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Florida Queers for Palestine are blocking the highway leading to Disney World.

They are helping to “Free Palestine” by ruining the day for regular families

Via @ShirionOrg pic.twitter.com/mnriunlPCt

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) May 12, 2024

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This is Florida,not Portland. Why is that cop just standing there instead of slamming them down to the ground and hauling them off.

These people are miserable.

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Jack Bauer said:

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The students that walked out have their own "commencement" now. pic.twitter.com/zgEepRvk2d

— Stu (@thestustustudio) May 12, 2024

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The only tangible thing Jerry Seinfeld has to do with the Israeli-Hamas conflict is he is a Jew.

Imagine a bunch of white kids walking out because there was a black speaker at graduation...that's essentially what is happening here.

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