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After emancipation, the quality of life, for African-Americans went down as the rise of the confederate army terrorize the population of blacks. When the federal troops left in the 1870s, the ugly head out and out racism went to higher extremes. Whatever games were made by African-Americans in those legislatures was quickly undone. African-Americans were denied education and their lands were stolen from them. The south continue to terrorize African-Americans well anyway to the 1950s.

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Can you please share the data that demonstrates the massive economic and overall performance gap between African Americans in former Confederate States and those in the other states.

For example, today, how exponentially better does the average African American fare in terms of poverty, education, and family structure in Chicago vs. Atlanta? Know the gap must be huge but how big is it?

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What? Teach CRT? Not what the article said. She found the public edcation K-12 did not teach it.

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Buddy read what I wrote. I'm saying that you personally want CRT taught in schools.

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But you want them to teach critical race theory that's strawman Buddy

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Do you want them to teach it or not?

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There's a reason he won't answer the question.

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Define crt.
I am asking what is your understanding? Not what you think I believe

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You're deflecting. All I'm asking is if you want schools to teach critical race theory or not and you won't give me an answer because either answer is a bad look for you.

You're acting like schools aren't teaching this stuff so those against it need to shut their mouths, all while you simultaneously want schools to teach that stuff. That's called hypocrisy.

I'll define it:

Critical race theory states that U.S. social institutions (e.g., the criminal justice system, education system, labor market, housing market, and healthcare system) are laced with racism embedded in laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that lead to differential outcomes by race.

It completely ignores culture, human behavior and can't provide explicit laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that are grounded in racism. For example it claims that black people have worse outcomes and assumes its because of racism and completely ignores the fact that black men at extremely high rates are not present in their children's life which is highly correlated with bad decision making, being poor, violence etc which is reflected in the data.

So not only does it lie about the reasons for differences in outcomes by race, it makes them worse by avoiding the truth.

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Thank you. However you make assumptions about the outcomes.

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Incorrect as usual. As I have posted before, racial attitudes reversed a long history of reconciliation during the Obama presidency, which much of the Identity Politics and CRT strategies took hold.

I often ponder whether you ponder how your opinions would change if you based them on data and facts vs. emotions and myths.

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Behind the trans flag and covering the MASSIVE LGBTQ flag is a periodic table, the actual reason kids are in school.

But no indoctrination is going on in schools..

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This picture has to be some kind of joke, do you see all the uncalled for messages these young minds are being bombarded with. This **** has no place in the classroom. Just teach your subject and leave all the agenda out of it.

African Americans were mistreated everywhere. Not only in the south. The point everyone misses is that the elite and powerful whites in the south were not only willing to mistreat African Americans but poor whites as well. This included during the Civil War. That is part of the reason why I have always held that economics and maintaining one's power and wealth has been a greater driver than race throughout history. And it is where CRT fails.

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How many children were mutilated?

How many drag queens exposed themselves?

How many abortions performed?

How many men in girl locker rooms?


How many pronoun lessons taught?

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I have taught in 8 public schools in Texas and 2 in Alaska. I have never seen any of these things. The schools ranged from 1A to 5A in central and coastal Texas, and in Alaska one bush school and one school on the grid.
Well, now I think back I have taught lessons in pronoun usage. I bet you and your parents had the same pronoun lessons.

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A clown world when a so-called scientific institution is making policy based on Tik Tok videos.

Seriously, who is the central authority for determining what is a "real" fake pronoun? Could my pronouns be ***/biden?

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Hey 47, what is your opinion of this book?

‘She is She.’ I absolutely love this ❤️ pic.twitter.com/hSgDjKqTXk

— Rachael Wong (@RachaelWongAus) May 27, 2024

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Red Herring!

Misinformation!

Straw man!!!!

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African Americans were mistreated everywhere. Not only in the south. The point everyone misses is that the elite and powerful whites in the south were not only willing to mistreat African Americans but poor whites as well. This included during the Civil War. That is part of the reason why I have always held that economics and maintaining one's power and wealth has been a greater driver than race throughout history. And it is where CRT fails.

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although for the most part, I agree with you however, a persons race meant slavery. Poor whites in the south, although taken advantage of were still white.

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Not arguing that. What I am saying is that is where CRT fails. Race is not the primary driver of history. Economics and Economic power is. Case in point. Poll taxes were not only designed to keep African Americans from voting but poor whites as well.

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African Americans were mistreated everywhere. Not only in the south. The point everyone misses is that the elite and powerful whites in the south were not only willing to mistreat African Americans but poor whites as well. This included during the Civil War. That is part of the reason why I have always held that economics and maintaining one's power and wealth has been a greater driver than race throughout history. And it is where CRT fails.

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although for the most part, I agree with you however, a persons race meant slavery. Poor whites in the south, although taken advantage of were still white.

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Not arguing that. What I am saying is that is where CRT fails. Race is not the primary driver of history. Economics and Economic power is. Case in point. Poll taxes were not only designed to keep African Americans from voting but poor whites as well.

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CRT breaks down with the economic results of Asians, Indians, and African immigrants. That's why it is always a moving target ... somedays all "people of color" face discrimination and some days they don't.

Why does the system uniquely target blacks for systematic racism whereas other races (including African immigrants) regularly outperform them at the group level.

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African Americans were mistreated everywhere. Not only in the south. The point everyone misses is that the elite and powerful whites in the south were not only willing to mistreat African Americans but poor whites as well. This included during the Civil War. That is part of the reason why I have always held that economics and maintaining one's power and wealth has been a greater driver than race throughout history. And it is where CRT fails.

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African Americans were mistreated.
The Irish were mistreated.
Italians were mistreated.
Germans were mistreated
Jews were mistreated.
Japanese were mistreated
Catholics were mistreated
Mormons were mistreated.



So after decades of Affirmative Action; Trillions of dollars of social services and a century of free education


When does this focus on Black Americans finally end ?

There is too much grift in Big Racism. That's why they have to ensure it is never solved hence we keep re-defining it to keep the money train moving.

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African Americans were mistreated everywhere. Not only in the south. The point everyone misses is that the elite and powerful whites in the south were not only willing to mistreat African Americans but poor whites as well. This included during the Civil War. That is part of the reason why I have always held that economics and maintaining one's power and wealth has been a greater driver than race throughout history. And it is where CRT fails.

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although for the most part, I agree with you however, a persons race meant slavery. Poor whites in the south, although taken advantage of were still white.

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Not arguing that. What I am saying is that is where CRT fails. Race is not the primary driver of history. Economics and Economic power is. Case in point. Poll taxes were not only designed to keep African Americans from voting but poor whites as well.

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CRT does not say that racism is the driving force of history.
" The driving forces of history -- be they racism, sexism, classism or the like -- need to be discussed in classrooms, where scholars can rigorously suss out fact and fiction. In reconsidering the role of race and racism in American history, that's what students of critical race theory aim to do." CNN quoting history professors

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As a trained historian I respectfully disagree. And as most news channels do, I am sure CNN picked history professors who agree with their point. I can assure you most historians feel CRT is incorrect. As far as everything being discussed. What should be discussed is what happened, not theory that is designed to back a political viewpoint.

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African Americans were mistreated everywhere. Not only in the south. The point everyone misses is that the elite and powerful whites in the south were not only willing to mistreat African Americans but poor whites as well. This included during the Civil War. That is part of the reason why I have always held that economics and maintaining one's power and wealth has been a greater driver than race throughout history. And it is where CRT fails.

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although for the most part, I agree with you however, a persons race meant slavery. Poor whites in the south, although taken advantage of were still white.

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Not arguing that. What I am saying is that is where CRT fails. Race is not the primary driver of history. Economics and Economic power is. Case in point. Poll taxes were not only designed to keep African Americans from voting but poor whites as well.

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CRT does not say that racism is the driving force of history.
" The driving forces of history -- be they racism, sexism, classism or the like -- need to be discussed in classrooms, where scholars can rigorously suss out fact and fiction. In reconsidering the role of race and racism in American history, that's what students of critical race theory aim to do." CNN quoting history professors

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As a trained historian I respectfully disagree. And as most news channels do, I am sure CNN picked history professors who agree with their point. I can assure you most historians feel CRT is incorrect. As far as everything being discussed. What should be discussed is what happened, not theory that is designed to back a political viewpoint.

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Well that historian maybe "hand picked" but the truth of what he says - - he acknowledges that history has several driving forces. Racism is one of many forces driving our understanding of history. CRT does not claim that racism is THE driving force.

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Once again we disagree, the CRT proponents I have spoken to tell me that racism is the driving force behind history. In fact they say it all the time. In the Legal Defense Funds explanation of CRT describes how racism in the primary cause of our issues today and leads to systemic racism throughout most everything, including laws and government. Racism is central to their argument. I am not saying racism does not exist. I am saying that economics leads many to punish and suppress others regardless of racism. It has become an excuse.

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What? Teach CRT? Not what the article said. She found the public edcation K-12 did not teach it.

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Buddy read what I wrote. I'm saying that you personally want CRT taught in schools.

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But you want them to teach critical race theory that's strawman Buddy

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Do you want them to teach it or not?

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There's a reason he won't answer the question.

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Define crt.
I am asking what is your understanding? Not what you think I believe

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You're deflecting. All I'm asking is if you want schools to teach critical race theory or not and you won't give me an answer because either answer is a bad look for you.

You're acting like schools aren't teaching this stuff so those against it need to shut their mouths, all while you simultaneously want schools to teach that stuff. That's called hypocrisy.

I'll define it:

Critical race theory states that U.S. social institutions (e.g., the criminal justice system, education system, labor market, housing market, and healthcare system) are laced with racism embedded in laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that lead to differential outcomes by race.

It completely ignores culture, human behavior and can't provide explicit laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that are grounded in racism. For example it claims that black people have worse outcomes and assumes its because of racism and completely ignores the fact that black men at extremely high rates are not present in their children's life which is highly correlated with bad decision making, being poor, violence etc which is reflected in the data.

So not only does it lie about the reasons for differences in outcomes by race, it makes them worse by avoiding the truth.

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Thank you. However you make assumptions about the outcomes.

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Absolutely, because it's based on correlative data that proves such.