nein51 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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How in the world is this what we are left with?

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Because politicians have been representing their donors, have been engaged in insider trading and getting financial kickbacks to the detriment of taxpayers for 60+ years

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Sure but that's not the answer. The answer is that the American public is a disgrace on both sides.

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Oh but it is.

The American public is a product of their inability to govern. Politicians aren't serious about education, critical thinking or morals. There are no real standards thus a public not striving for standards.

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Politicians are a reflection of the people they govern not the other way around.

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If we had a press that did it's job, that would be completely true. Now however, it's a half-truth

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Completely irrelevant. No one reads anything that doesn't confirm their bias anyway.

People are largely dumb as hell, woefully uneducated and completely out of touch with reality. That's not the fault of the media.

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Fault of the media? Not entirely, but the lack of journalistic integrity has indeed contributed to the issue. The average American doesn't learn much of anything from FOX and the legacy media. Everyone now has an axe to grind and profits to make. It's much more lucrative to pedal fear and hate than report the facts.

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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How in the world is this what we are left with?

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Because politicians have been representing their donors, have been engaged in insider trading and getting financial kickbacks to the detriment of taxpayers for 60+ years

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Sure but that's not the answer. The answer is that the American public is a disgrace on both sides.

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Oh but it is.

The American public is a product of their inability to govern. Politicians aren't serious about education, critical thinking or morals. There are no real standards thus a public not striving for standards.

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Politicians are a reflection of the people they govern not the other way around.

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If we had a press that did it's job, that would be completely true. Now however, it's a half-truth

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Completely irrelevant. No one reads anything that doesn't confirm their bias anyway.

People are largely dumb as hell, woefully uneducated and completely out of touch with reality. That's not the fault of the media.

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The most incorrect thing you've ever posted.

nein51 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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How in the world is this what we are left with?

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Because politicians have been representing their donors, have been engaged in insider trading and getting financial kickbacks to the detriment of taxpayers for 60+ years

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Sure but that's not the answer. The answer is that the American public is a disgrace on both sides.

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Oh but it is.

The American public is a product of their inability to govern. Politicians aren't serious about education, critical thinking or morals. There are no real standards thus a public not striving for standards.

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Politicians are a reflection of the people they govern not the other way around.

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If we had a press that did it's job, that would be completely true. Now however, it's a half-truth

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People are largely dumb as hell, woefully uneducated and completely out of touch with reality.

That's not the fault of the media.

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True


False


The media's responsibility is to inform.......or at least it was decades ago.
Now media is in the entertainment business.

Cobretti said:

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CNN: "Right now, there is a deep, a wide, and a very aggressive panic in the Democratic Party. It started minutes into the debate, and it continues right now. It involves party strategists and involves elected officials.

It involves fundraisers, and they're having conversations… pic.twitter.com/0yaCJjFkpG

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) June 28, 2024

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Biden wasn't quite as bad as all commentariat moaning & whining suggested. I thought John King had the most balanced take on that panel....."yeah, we are insiders and we all agree it was a weak performance, but the public outside the beltway sometimes sees & rates things differently. So let's give it a week." Or words to that effect. I Maybe Trump will get a bump. Or maybe the performance is already baked into the polling we have in hand....voters know Biden is too old already. What about last night changed that? The media reaction was not some sudden realization of that fact. The watched the Wizard behind the curtain being revealed as just a shriveled up old man. Only those involved in creating the illusion are truly surprised and horrified at the real thing. How many voters didn't know the truth already?

So the far more interesting observation of the night was the reaction of the commentariat, with all the unattributed quotes from unnamed Dem sources. I think the majority of the energy behind that reaction was not the performance itself, but the dawning realization that Dems are going to get a shellacking this fall, for a whole host of reasons. They have no way out.

The only practical achievable solution is to have Biden stand down voluntarily in favor of Harris. But the inside baseball on that is......Biden is notoriously arrogant. Not likely he will go willingly. And even if he does, Harris polls meaningfully worse than Biden versus Trump. She's no moderate Dem. She's a progressive. She has a chance to solidify the black vote that is trickling away from them, both in percentages of votes and in percentages of turnout. At least, she would likely stabilize Dem standing with black women (the most important component of the black vote). She did admirably as the Dutchboy with the finger in the dike defending Biden on TV, and for that reason SHE was the big winner last night. All other options get very unwieldy. Any other candidate risks fracturing rather than uniting the party and not one option on the horizon polls better against Trump than Biden does (for now, at least). Just very hard to bypass Harris and not alienate swathes of the party. And all scenarios for getting new candidates on ballots are trickly....very, very hard to do.

So what will they most likely do? Try to get Biden elected and shift monies to try to limit damage in Senate and House. It's a higher percentage option that any other insight.

I find the strenuousness and the level of surprise from a lot of the commentators interesting. They looked shocked / angry / hurt / surprised last night. Makes me think a lot of the folks outside Biden's inner circle believed the BS that he was still sharp and in good shape.

If that's the case, then this was no pre planned maneuver to tank him. And there is probably not a reasonably workable plan in place to do so. They may just be looking at a big inner party conflict.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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How in the world is this what we are left with?

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Because politicians have been representing their donors, have been engaged in insider trading and getting financial kickbacks to the detriment of taxpayers for 60+ years

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Sure but that's not the answer. The answer is that the American public is a disgrace on both sides.

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Oh but it is.

The American public is a product of their inability to govern. Politicians aren't serious about education, critical thinking or morals. There are no real standards thus a public not striving for standards.

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Politicians are a reflection of the people they govern not the other way around.

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If we had a press that did it's job, that would be completely true. Now however, it's a half-truth

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Completely irrelevant. No one reads anything that doesn't confirm their bias anyway.

People are largely dumb as hell, woefully uneducated and completely out of touch with reality. That's not the fault of the media.

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please exsplain

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ron.reagan said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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J.R. said:

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I was out tonight, but recorded it. Joe needs to go. He ain't there. He just isn't . that was disturbing . Unfortunately , Trumps rolls unless the dems get a better candidate. truly unverving.

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Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong?
Are you ever going to realize that the dems have been lying to you for years about Biden, and you foolishly believed it?
When are you going to realize that you've been wilfully deceived?

And yet you seem totally prepared to trust the replacement candidate that is put forward by the liars.

YOU are the problem.

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It's difficult to admit when one is so spectacularly wrong.

Fortunately our wives 'help us' to do what's necessary.

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Until people like JR openly admit that they were wrong... they will never learn and they will only repeat their mistakes.
He was made a fool for defending Joe Biden, and he will be made a fool again unless he learns something.
The lesson he needs to learn is that his sources of information are all fool's and/or liars. They didn't just get it wrong... they LIED to JR.
He is a complete idiot if he continues to trust them in the future.
I actually feel a bit sad for JR.

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I don't see anyone changing their minds on things like abortion, immigration, or guns based on the mental capacity of a candidate.

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Of all the stupid things you have ever posted...........

This is the dumbest.

Normal people realize that the President of the United States has the potential to utterly disrupt their lives.
Either by war, the economy, or a myriad of social and / or cultural adaptations.

Normal people instinctively desire the president to be of sound mind.

Biden is not of sound mind.

He wasn't in 2020 which is why Dem operatives hid Biden in his basement throughout most of his campaign.

And God knows Biden is even worse now.



Biden is going to be replaced and 90% of the media will cheer him off to the nursing home and immediately focus on getting his replacement elected as the next POTUS

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So you would vote for Biden, got it

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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J.R. said:

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I was out tonight, but recorded it. Joe needs to go. He ain't there. He just isn't . that was disturbing . Unfortunately , Trumps rolls unless the dems get a better candidate. truly unverving.

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Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong?
Are you ever going to realize that the dems have been lying to you for years about Biden, and you foolishly believed it?
When are you going to realize that you've been wilfully deceived?

And yet you seem totally prepared to trust the replacement candidate that is put forward by the liars.

YOU are the problem.

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It's difficult to admit when one is so spectacularly wrong.

Fortunately our wives 'help us' to do what's necessary.

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Until people like JR openly admit that they were wrong... they will never learn and they will only repeat their mistakes.
He was made a fool for defending Joe Biden, and he will be made a fool again unless he learns something.
The lesson he needs to learn is that his sources of information are all fool's and/or liars. They didn't just get it wrong... they LIED to JR.
He is a complete idiot if he continues to trust them in the future.
I actually feel a bit sad for JR.

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I don't see anyone changing their minds on things like abortion, immigration, or guns based on the mental capacity of a candidate.

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Of all the stupid things you have ever posted...........

This is the dumbest.

Normal people realize that the President of the United States has the potential to utterly disrupt their lives.
Either by war, the economy, or a myriad of social and / or cultural adaptations.

Normal people instinctively desire the president to be of sound mind.

Biden is not of sound mind.

He wasn't in 2020 which is why Dem operatives hid Biden in his basement throughout most of his campaign.

And God knows Biden is even worse now.



Biden is going to be replaced and 90% of the media will cheer him off to the nursing home and immediately focus on getting his replacement elected as the next POTUS

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So you would vote for Biden, got it

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yall are funny.. we have 3 life long Dem choices to choose from and the token green and libertarian party canidates

ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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J.R. said:

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I was out tonight, but recorded it. Joe needs to go. He ain't there. He just isn't . that was disturbing . Unfortunately , Trumps rolls unless the dems get a better candidate. truly unverving.

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Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong?
Are you ever going to realize that the dems have been lying to you for years about Biden, and you foolishly believed it?
When are you going to realize that you've been wilfully deceived?

And yet you seem totally prepared to trust the replacement candidate that is put forward by the liars.

YOU are the problem.

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It's difficult to admit when one is so spectacularly wrong.

Fortunately our wives 'help us' to do what's necessary.

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Until people like JR openly admit that they were wrong... they will never learn and they will only repeat their mistakes.
He was made a fool for defending Joe Biden, and he will be made a fool again unless he learns something.
The lesson he needs to learn is that his sources of information are all fool's and/or liars. They didn't just get it wrong... they LIED to JR.
He is a complete idiot if he continues to trust them in the future.
I actually feel a bit sad for JR.

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I don't see anyone changing their minds on things like abortion, immigration, or guns based on the mental capacity of a candidate.

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Of all the stupid things you have ever posted...........

This is the dumbest.

Normal people realize that the President of the United States has the potential to utterly disrupt their lives.
Either by war, the economy, or a myriad of social and / or cultural adaptations.

Normal people instinctively desire the president to be of sound mind.

Biden is not of sound mind.

He wasn't in 2020 which is why Dem operatives hid Biden in his basement throughout most of his campaign.

And God knows Biden is even worse now.



Biden is going to be replaced and 90% of the media will cheer him off to the nursing home and immediately focus on getting his replacement elected as the next POTUS

By

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So you would vote for Biden, got it

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Your one liners are approaching Biden level nonsense.

But you have less of an excuse.

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Been saying for 2 years it's going to be someone other than Biden. Donors are panicking right now. They'll have him gracefully exit and replace him - likely with Newsom. Wait and see.

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Better hope it is Newsome. If it is Obama, game over. She will win going away. I really hope she stays out of it.

KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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J.R. said:

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I was out tonight, but recorded it. Joe needs to go. He ain't there. He just isn't . that was disturbing . Unfortunately , Trumps rolls unless the dems get a better candidate. truly unverving.

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Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong?
Are you ever going to realize that the dems have been lying to you for years about Biden, and you foolishly believed it?
When are you going to realize that you've been wilfully deceived?

And yet you seem totally prepared to trust the replacement candidate that is put forward by the liars.

YOU are the problem.

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It's difficult to admit when one is so spectacularly wrong.

Fortunately our wives 'help us' to do what's necessary.

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Kai, I really had no dog in the fight. You know I think Trump is POS and not smart and if the biggest liar I have ever seen. However, that Biden thing last night was horrifying . Bro, you are the problem, not me. Im out on the US with Trumps or Biden. What a funcking bad choices

He wants to debate again? That's like TCU saying they want a do over with Georgia.

BREAKING: CNN just reported that not only does President Biden not plan on dropping out, he is committed to a second debate with Donald Trump in September, per CNN and Democratic advisor

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) June 28, 2024

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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nein51 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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How in the world is this what we are left with?

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Because politicians have been representing their donors, have been engaged in insider trading and getting financial kickbacks to the detriment of taxpayers for 60+ years

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Sure but that's not the answer. The answer is that the American public is a disgrace on both sides.

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Oh but it is.

The American public is a product of their inability to govern. Politicians aren't serious about education, critical thinking or morals. There are no real standards thus a public not striving for standards.

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Politicians are a reflection of the people they govern not the other way around.

---

If we had a press that did it's job, that would be completely true. Now however, it's a half-truth

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Completely irrelevant. No one reads anything that doesn't confirm their bias anyway.

People are largely dumb as hell, woefully uneducated and completely out of touch with reality. That's not the fault of the media.

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please exsplain

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What is there to explain?
There is right wing media and left wing media and quite literally nothing stopping people from consuming both and making informed decisions. The internet democratized information. If you want to learn about a subject you can.

Want to know about Israel-Palestine? Check fox, CNN, Daily Wire, Al-Jazeera and Harretz. At that point you should have a TON of information from just about every possible angle.

People don't do that. Instead, they simply check with whatever source confirms their bias. Technology didn't make us smarter, rather, it made us stupid and lazy.

Go read the comments sections on FB or Instagram. The vast majority of people cannot form a complete sentence. Their vote counts just as much as yours.

The "press" reports whatever they want which exactly how it has been since Hearst helped lead us into the Spanish-American war. The difference is that people have far greater access to information now than they did then.

BREAKING: Republican Chip Roy has said that today he will introduce resolution calling on VP Harris to start 25 amendment process to remove Biden due to mental incompetency

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) June 28, 2024

Title of this thread was "Can We Get New Candidates"..Answer is yes, but only if current candidates drop out. I don't think Trump is going anywhere...I think Biden would have to be convinced that his stepping down would be in the best interests of the United States. I've been around a looong time, and I never believed the Presidency of this wonderful Country would be in this predicament..but here we are.

I watched the debate. My biggest issue is the need to reduce spending. The topic did not come up in the debate.
Joe Biden, Donald Trump and CNN along with other news media will ignore the problem until the cows come home.

Neither candidate will get my vote.

Guy Noir said:

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I watched the debate. My biggest issue is the need to reduce spending. The topic did not come up in the debate.
Joe Biden, Donald Trump and CNN along with other news media will ignore the problem until the cows come home.

Neither candidate will get my vote.

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They talked about the deficit a little bit… But they did not stay with it for very long.

FactChecking the Biden-Trump Debate: Trump and Biden on the Federal Deficit

Read the full story here: https://t.co/yEMZ9Yaurq#Biden #Trump #Debate #FactCheck pic.twitter.com/EgBox6w0oU

— FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) June 28, 2024

KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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J.R. said:

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I was out tonight, but recorded it. Joe needs to go. He ain't there. He just isn't . that was disturbing . Unfortunately , Trumps rolls unless the dems get a better candidate. truly unverving.

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Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong?
Are you ever going to realize that the dems have been lying to you for years about Biden, and you foolishly believed it?
When are you going to realize that you've been wilfully deceived?

And yet you seem totally prepared to trust the replacement candidate that is put forward by the liars.

YOU are the problem.

---

It's difficult to admit when one is so spectacularly wrong.

Fortunately our wives 'help us' to do what's necessary.

---

Until people like JR openly admit that they were wrong... they will never learn and they will only repeat their mistakes.
He was made a fool for defending Joe Biden, and he will be made a fool again unless he learns something.
The lesson he needs to learn is that his sources of information are all fool's and/or liars. They didn't just get it wrong... they LIED to JR.
He is a complete idiot if he continues to trust them in the future.
I actually feel a bit sad for JR.

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I don't see anyone changing their minds on things like abortion, immigration, or guns based on the mental capacity of a candidate.

---

Of all the stupid things you have ever posted...........

This is the dumbest.

Normal people realize that the President of the United States has the potential to utterly disrupt their lives.
Either by war, the economy, or a myriad of social and / or cultural adaptations.

Normal people instinctively desire the president to be of sound mind.

Biden is not of sound mind.

He wasn't in 2020 which is why Dem operatives hid Biden in his basement throughout most of his campaign.

And God knows Biden is even worse now.



Biden is going to be replaced and 90% of the media will cheer him off to the nursing home and immediately focus on getting his replacement elected as the next POTUS

By

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So you would vote for Biden, got it

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Your one liners are approaching Biden level nonsense.

But you have less of an excuse.

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So you wouldn't vote for Biden if Trump had dementia?

Rep. Jim Clyburn said he plans to speak to Biden today and tell him to “stay the course.”

He said “there’s no better Democrat” and directed nervous Democrats to “chill out.” pic.twitter.com/QccH95699n

— Dylan Wells (@dylanewells) June 28, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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Guy Noir said:

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I watched the debate. My biggest issue is the need to reduce spending. The topic did not come up in the debate.
Joe Biden, Donald Trump and CNN along with other news media will ignore the problem until the cows come home.

Neither candidate will get my vote.

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They talked about the deficit a little bit… But they did not stay with it for very long.

FactChecking the Biden-Trump Debate: Trump and Biden on the Federal Deficit

Read the full story here: https://t.co/yEMZ9Yaurq#Biden #Trump #Debate #FactCheck pic.twitter.com/EgBox6w0oU

— FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) June 28, 2024

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I'm guessing Trump meant to refer to the national debt, which would make them both right. Either way, awful.

J.R. said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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J.R. said:

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I was out tonight, but recorded it. Joe needs to go. He ain't there. He just isn't . that was disturbing . Unfortunately , Trumps rolls unless the dems get a better candidate. truly unverving.

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Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong?
Are you ever going to realize that the dems have been lying to you for years about Biden, and you foolishly believed it?
When are you going to realize that you've been wilfully deceived?

And yet you seem totally prepared to trust the replacement candidate that is put forward by the liars.

YOU are the problem.

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It's difficult to admit when one is so spectacularly wrong.

Fortunately our wives 'help us' to do what's necessary.

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Kai, I really had no dog in the fight. You know I think Trump is POS and not smart and if the biggest liar I have ever seen. However, that Biden thing last night was horrifying . Bro, you are the problem, not me. Im out on the US with Trumps or Biden. What a funcking bad choices

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LOL

My friend we are both part of the problem.

Biden is brain dead and Trump is not too far behind.
But Trump will keep us out of war and close the border IF elected.

Guy Noir said:

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I watched the debate. My biggest issue is the need to reduce spending. The topic did not come up in the debate.
Joe Biden, Donald Trump and CNN along with other news media will ignore the problem until the cows come home.

Neither candidate will get my vote.

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So you're a one-issue voter. Interesting.

boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Republican Chip Roy has said that today he will introduce resolution calling on VP Harris to start 25 amendment process to remove Biden due to mental incompetency

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) June 28, 2024

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So stupid and hypocritical from the party rightly complaining about not letting the people decide.

nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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How in the world is this what we are left with?

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Because politicians have been representing their donors, have been engaged in insider trading and getting financial kickbacks to the detriment of taxpayers for 60+ years

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Sure but that's not the answer. The answer is that the American public is a disgrace on both sides.

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Oh but it is.

The American public is a product of their inability to govern. Politicians aren't serious about education, critical thinking or morals. There are no real standards thus a public not striving for standards.

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Politicians are a reflection of the people they govern not the other way around.

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I think its a mutual thing.

Joe says put me back in coach

President Biden: "I don't walk as easy as I used to. I don't speak as smoothly as I used to... I know how to tell the truth. I know right from wrong. I know how to do this job...I know like millions of Americans know; when you get knocked down you get back up!" pic.twitter.com/V9EdtTeDGC

— CSPAN (@cspan) June 28, 2024

Bexar Pitts said:

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Title of this thread was "Can We Get New Candidates"..Answer is yes, but only if current candidates drop out. I don't think Trump is going anywhere...I think Biden would have to be convinced that his stepping down would be in the best interests of the United States. I've been around a looong time, and I never believed the Presidency of this wonderful Country would be in this predicament..but here we are.

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The only way Biden steps down is if it's in his personal best interests. How is Biden Inc going to continue if the product isn't available?

The democrats want to fundamentally change the US and Biden is doing just that.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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nein51 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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How in the world is this what we are left with?

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Because politicians have been representing their donors, have been engaged in insider trading and getting financial kickbacks to the detriment of taxpayers for 60+ years

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Sure but that's not the answer. The answer is that the American public is a disgrace on both sides.

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Oh but it is.

The American public is a product of their inability to govern. Politicians aren't serious about education, critical thinking or morals. There are no real standards thus a public not striving for standards.

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Politicians are a reflection of the people they govern not the other way around.

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If we had a press that did it's job, that would be completely true. Now however, it's a half-truth

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Completely irrelevant. No one reads anything that doesn't confirm their bias anyway.

People are largely dumb as hell, woefully uneducated and completely out of touch with reality. That's not the fault of the media.

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please exsplain

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What is there to explain?
There is right wing media and left wing media and quite literally nothing stopping people from consuming both and making informed decisions. The internet democratized information. If you want to learn about a subject you can.

Want to know about Israel-Palestine? Check fox, CNN, Daily Wire, Al-Jazeera and Harretz. At that point you should have a TON of information from just about every possible angle.

People don't do that. Instead, they simply check with whatever source confirms their bias. Technology didn't make us smarter, rather, it made us stupid and lazy.

Go read the comments sections on FB or Instagram. The vast majority of people cannot form a complete sentence. Their vote counts just as much as yours.

The "press" reports whatever they want which exactly how it has been since Hearst helped lead us into the Spanish-American war. The difference is that people have far greater access to information now than they did then.

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"people are largely dumb as hell" I even misspelled explain for you.

I put it on a tee for you and you walked right past

Bad debate nights happen. Trust me, I know. But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself. Between someone who tells the truth; who knows right from wrong and will give it to the…

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) June 28, 2024