And we are certainly calling the shots, because we are in control? It's us as a society that has allowed such things to get to this point. Too many of us are disengaged from the political realm as it relates to what is the truth versus being spoon fed by stuff we prefer to hear. How many people who actually vote have independently studied the facts of the issues? Know how their legislators (state and federal) voted and why? Have contacted their legislators and gave them feedback? Are politically active? Call explain why they are for or against issues, not just because they are an R or D?
Too many are waiting for the Pied Piper to lead them.
Meanwhile too many of us sit on our butts and gripe. And gripe. But that's all. So, we are getting what a few decide to give us and tell us. We are getting what you and I deserve. And a couple of other nations are doing what they can to speed things along.
If CN can assist in dividing and weakening us even more then they are happy to help.

That sort of statement would be expected from you.
Go away and drink some more of that kool-aid you're addicted to.

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Yes it does, now.However, it can be changed and of course there is the Supreme Court. History proves that our Constitution is subject to interpretation, depending upon the biases of some chief interpreters.
CN is not in line with Christianity. His kingdom is not of this world. As Peter states, we are strangers/aliens, not those in charge of a sinful world. Past efforts to set up similar societies have failed, because we are what we are. CN is just another way to divide us from within.

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CN doesn't exist as a real political force. It's propaganda used to scare and to guilt. Only the media lemmings are stupid enough to see it as an actively real threat.

Pretty much the entirety of progressive politics today is based on lies and misinformation.

You all are the real-world representation of all the bad governments in every dystopian novel.

Let me sum it up for you.
Progressives: propagandists, liars, harbingers of dystopian society.

Ps- since you've already forgotten, CN is not real, it's just dog-whistle propaganda.

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It's clear from his pic this guy is undoubtedly one of the old silent men who sits dutifully with his wife in his Methodist church, as the female pastor, who happens to also be lesbian, and wears the rainbow colored sash, rails against conservative belief and theology. My in-laws used to attend that church. They can't specifically identify any of these alleged bogeyman but by God they'll argue they exist regardless because that's what their Methodist pastor told them. They have no critical thinking skills.

If one follows the Orwellian authoritarianism of the contemporary transgressives, this is the pattern.

"Christian Nationalism" is just a hate-filled invective for "orthodox Christianity." In the recurring pattern, by renaming it with a scary, bogeyman name, traditional Christians can now be seen as a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY and fairly targets of hate and discrimination.

The constant playing with the language to manipulate the masses is common. "Christian Nationalists" and "THE JEWS" are the Democrats' version of the National Socialists' Jews.

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And we are certainly calling the shots, because we are in control? It's us as a society that has allowed such things to get to this point. Too many of us are disengaged from the political realm as it relates to what is the truth versus being spoon fed by stuff we prefer to hear. How many people who actually vote have independently studied the facts of the issues? Know how their legislators (state and federal) voted and why? Have contacted their legislators and gave them feedback? Are politically active? Call explain why they are for or against issues, not just because they are an R or D?
Too many are waiting for the Pied Piper to lead them.
Meanwhile too many of us sit on our butts and gripe. And gripe. But that's all. So, we are getting what a few decide to give us and tell us. We are getting what you and I deserve. And a couple of other nations are doing what they can to speed things along.
If CN can assist in dividing and weakening us even more then they are happy to help.

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Your comments have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Christian Nationalism is little more than a media
catch phrase. An imaginary creation of individuals who simply wish to motivate certain people to vote for Harris.

So relax and vote for Harris as you clearly wish to do.

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In other words, vote for the antithesis of the Christian beliefs you purport to adhere to.

These people are remarkable.

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I'm looking for a church that does potluck on every fourth Sunday rather than every fifth Sunday. I need a stronger commitment.

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My church does a light lunch every third Sunday in addition to potluck every fifth Sunday, so that's a step in the right direction.

For July's third Sunday we had hot dogs, chips, and baked beans. My wife prepared the baked beans, which, as always, were a big hit.

Concerning the OP, I put "Christian Nationalism" in the same category as "Woke". A pejorative that has been overused to the extent of having lost any meaning.

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Christian nationalism seeks to establish an exclusivist version of Christianity as the dominant moral and cultural order.[2] Christian nationalism overlaps with but is distinct from theonomy, with it being more populist in character.[3]: xxi In countries with a state church, Christian nationalists seek to preserve the status of a Christian state by holding an antidisestablishmentarian position to perpetuate the Church in national politics Wikipedia
Theonomy (from Greek theos "God" and nomos "law") is a hypothetical Christian form of government in which society is ruled by divine law.[1] Theonomists hold that divine law, particularly the judicial laws of the Old Testament, should be observed by modern societies

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No not at all. They are really counter culture to that particular movement. The Pastor was a regent and I believe visiting Professor at Truitt and one point. Unfortunately my wife's upbringing as an Independent Fundamental Baptist is starting to take over and she is wanting to leave the church. It is more "liberal" than a Southern Baptist church, it's a Texas Baptist church. They aren't liberal at all just more inclusive than most SBC churches. Zero christian nationalism.

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Do you live in Arlington?

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I'm looking for a church that does potluck on every fourth Sunday rather than every fifth Sunday. I need a stronger commitment.

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My church does a light lunch every third Sunday in addition to potluck every fifth Sunday, so that's a step in the right direction.

For July's third Sunday we had hot dogs, chips, and baked beans. My wife prepared the baked beans, which, as always, were a big hit.

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Your wife is a mighty fine woman.

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Christian nationalism seeks to establish an exclusivist version of Christianity as the dominant moral and cultural order.[2] Christian nationalism overlaps with but is distinct from theonomy, with it being more populist in character.[3]: xxi In countries with a state church, Christian nationalists seek to preserve the status of a Christian state by holding an antidisestablishmentarian position to perpetuate the Church in national politics Wikipedia
Theonomy (from Greek theos "God" and nomos "law") is a hypothetical Christian form of government in which society is ruled by divine law.[1] Theonomists hold that divine law, particularly the judicial laws of the Old Testament, should be observed by modern societies

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No not at all. They are really counter culture to that particular movement. The Pastor was a regent and I believe visiting Professor at Truitt and one point. Unfortunately my wife's upbringing as an Independent Fundamental Baptist is starting to take over and she is wanting to leave the church. It is more "liberal" than a Southern Baptist church, it's a Texas Baptist church. They aren't liberal at all just more inclusive than most SBC churches. Zero christian nationalism.

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Do you live in Arlington?

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Yes indeed.

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Concerning the OP, I put "Christian Nationalism" in the same category as "Woke". A pejorative that has been overused to the extent of having lost any meaning.

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Woke hasn't lost meaning, it's a broad word, people recognize it when they see it. Much like masculine and feminine. Those two words can describe an individual, a set of traits, or an a individual trait.

A person can be described as masculine while having some specific traits that may not be described as masculine. Likewise specific traits can be described as masculine or not.

Most people will have a hard time trying to define "masculine" or "feminine" without going to a dictionary, they are broad terms, but most people don't have a problem recognizing either when they see it. Woke is similar in both its broadness and specificity.

Pretty much the only people who think woke has no meaning are those on the left.

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Concerning the OP, I put "Christian Nationalism" in the same category as "Woke". A pejorative that has been overused to the extent of having lost any meaning.

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Woke is actually real in the sense that folks will celebrate being "woke." It was a term invented by the radical transgressives to describe their hate-filled racism and extremism.

Christian Nationalism is a term that was a red meat bogeyman created by idiots. No one actually claims it.

I have asked before: give me the mailing list. The URL. Who claims to be a "Christian Nationalist?"

It's just an Orwellian bogeyman to dehumanize and persecute diverse opinions.

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The Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, in his concurring opinion that has outlawed the destruction of frozen embryos, equating frozen embryos used in infertility treatments with murdering people which keeps referencing God, is an example of Christian nationalism.

This ia Christian nationalism par excellence. The concurring opinion by Justice Tom Parker uses as its evidence to arrive at his legal opinion - it uses the Bible. It uses Christian manifestos. It uses work by the medieval theologian Thomas Aquinas, by the reformer John Calvin. These are the pieces of data that he uses to justify an opinion at the Supreme Court of Alabama. He said on the very same day that that decision came down, on a podcast, that God created government, and the fact that we have let it go into the possession of others is heartbreaking. The very idea that we would have a Supreme Court of any state in this country who would deliver an opinion based on the Bible, is the most clear example of Christian nationalism that I can think of. Brad Onishi

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Nope. Try again.

Not Christian Nationalism.

Using God as a basis for morality isn't Christian Nationalism. If you claim it is, then you are also admitting that our nation is in fact already a Christian Nation.

Really seems like all of your opinions are copied off Google, from some liberal echo chamber.

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Yep I copied it off the internet but happens to be true.
The "ism" at the end Nationalism means it "a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology. The Alabama SC is using a philosophy straight out the Bible and admits so. Christian Nationalism is a distinctive ideology which churches use.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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I'm looking for a church that does potluck on every fourth Sunday rather than every fifth Sunday. I need a stronger commitment.

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My church does a light lunch every third Sunday in addition to potluck every fifth Sunday, so that's a step in the right direction.

For July's third Sunday we had hot dogs, chips, and baked beans. My wife prepared the baked beans, which, as always, were a big hit.

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Your wife is a mighty fine woman.

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You got that right. She spoils me rotten. Remember the Neil Young song "Heart of Gold"? That's her.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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I'm looking for a church that does potluck on every fourth Sunday rather than every fifth Sunday. I need a stronger commitment.

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My church does a light lunch every third Sunday in addition to potluck every fifth Sunday, so that's a step in the right direction.

For July's third Sunday we had hot dogs, chips, and baked beans. My wife prepared the baked beans, which, as always, were a big hit.

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Your wife is a mighty fine woman.

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You got that right. She spoils me rotten. Remember the Neil Young song "Heart of Gold"? That's her.

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are you sure the rotten part is not just the effects of the beans?

Midnight Rider said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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I'm looking for a church that does potluck on every fourth Sunday rather than every fifth Sunday. I need a stronger commitment.

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My church does a light lunch every third Sunday in addition to potluck every fifth Sunday, so that's a step in the right direction.

For July's third Sunday we had hot dogs, chips, and baked beans. My wife prepared the baked beans, which, as always, were a big hit.

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Your wife is a mighty fine woman.

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You got that right. She spoils me rotten. Remember the Neil Young song "Heart of Gold"? That's her.

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Awesome, great hearing about awesome wives. They are a blessing. Mine's pretty great too.

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Christian nationalism seeks to establish an exclusivist version of Christianity as the dominant moral and cultural order.[2] Christian nationalism overlaps with but is distinct from theonomy, with it being more populist in character.[3]: xxi In countries with a state church, Christian nationalists seek to preserve the status of a Christian state by holding an antidisestablishmentarian position to perpetuate the Church in national politics Wikipedia
Theonomy (from Greek theos "God" and nomos "law") is a hypothetical Christian form of government in which society is ruled by divine law.[1] Theonomists hold that divine law, particularly the judicial laws of the Old Testament, should be observed by modern societies

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No not at all. They are really counter culture to that particular movement. The Pastor was a regent and I believe visiting Professor at Truitt and one point. Unfortunately my wife's upbringing as an Independent Fundamental Baptist is starting to take over and she is wanting to leave the church. It is more "liberal" than a Southern Baptist church, it's a Texas Baptist church. They aren't liberal at all just more inclusive than most SBC churches. Zero christian nationalism.

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Do you live in Arlington?

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Assuming you're talking about FBCA, my wife and I went there for a season before we moved, and despite all the blowback he gets around here for his "cry out to God" comment I thought Wiles was a good leader for that church and tended to steer them away from the poles and toward the center road. And I'm not even Baptist.

That said, they are still affiliated to the SBC through the Texas Baptist Church, although only a fraction of the tithing goes to SBC through some mission work. I think they're rethinking all that though. Anyone who saw Katie Reed-Hodges at work knows that women in ministry can do incredible things and I always appreciated his stance.

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Christian nationalism seeks to establish an exclusivist version of Christianity as the dominant moral and cultural order.[2] Christian nationalism overlaps with but is distinct from theonomy, with it being more populist in character.[3]: xxi In countries with a state church, Christian nationalists seek to preserve the status of a Christian state by holding an antidisestablishmentarian position to perpetuate the Church in national politics Wikipedia
Theonomy (from Greek theos "God" and nomos "law") is a hypothetical Christian form of government in which society is ruled by divine law.[1] Theonomists hold that divine law, particularly the judicial laws of the Old Testament, should be observed by modern societies

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No not at all. They are really counter culture to that particular movement. The Pastor was a regent and I believe visiting Professor at Truitt and one point. Unfortunately my wife's upbringing as an Independent Fundamental Baptist is starting to take over and she is wanting to leave the church. It is more "liberal" than a Southern Baptist church, it's a Texas Baptist church. They aren't liberal at all just more inclusive than most SBC churches. Zero christian nationalism.

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Do you live in Arlington?

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Yes indeed.

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Assuming you're talking about FBCA, my wife and I went there for a season before we moved, and despite all the blowback he gets around here for his "cry out to God" comment I thought Wiles was a good leader for that church and tended to steer them away from the poles and toward the center road. And I'm not even Baptist.

That said, they are still affiliated to the SBC through the Texas Baptist Church, although only a fraction of the tithing goes to SBC through some mission work. I think they're rethinking all that though. Anyone who saw Katie Reed-Hodges at work knows that women in ministry can do incredible things and I always appreciated his stance.

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That reminds of the time that right after Dennis Wiles helped torpedo the Baylor football program people on here were posting pics of him at Auburn football games and decked out in Auburn gear….

Random memory of that time….

Thanks for taking the focus off us Papists.

I appreciate you took seriously WWJD in your response. I don't appreciate that you responded in such a judgmental manner without apparently having done your homework. CN is not Christianity as Jesus teaches. Do your research.
Perhaps we both should practice what the Bible says and focus on how to get there, regardless of how things are here.

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I appreciate you took seriously WWJD in your response. I don't appreciate that you responded in such a judgmental manner without apparently having done your homework. CN is not Christianity as Jesus teaches. Do your research.
Perhaps we both should practice what the Bible says and focus on how to get there, regardless of how things are here.

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Tell me, what did Jesus called the Sanhedrin?

Show me the American Sanhedrin.
If you can't do that, show me who is calling for an American Sanhedrin.

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I appreciate you took seriously WWJD in your response. I don't appreciate that you responded in such a judgmental manner without apparently having done your homework. CN is not Christianity as Jesus teaches. Do your research.
Perhaps we both should practice what the Bible says and focus on how to get there, regardless of how things are here.

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Funny you say WWJD given your response to me above. You were the first to turn it into a personal attack. Is that what Jesus would do? Might want to take that plank out of your eye.

Again I will ask - who is calling for the forced conversion of people to Christianity - what you alleged to be the hallmark of CN?

If you are able to get out of your emotions, and try to read and understand logically, you'll see I never said, or suggested that the definition of CN that you've given us comports with the gospel. What I said was It doesn't exist. That is why you've been wholly unable to site to any evidence in support of your position despite my repeated request. Yet, you simply keep repeating the same bull**** generalizations.

Okay let's back up a bit. With the bias we both have, whatever I say is going to be filtered with it. If you do your homework about the good and bad about CN, including its goals, then you are more likely to gain a more informed understanding, which probably won't change your opinion, but will give you a more gestalt perspective of genuine CN and its goals.
Your degree of vitriol indicates you are not aware of its goals and what it would take to get CN to that point.
I'm done. I'm tired of the war with you guys. You win. Good bye.

Imagine that, Budos is tired of arguing that a make believe threat is in fact a real threat. Dumbest reasoning by him and 47, but they both can't help themselves. It's like they've been programmed to believe in ghost tales and try to convince all sane to believe them.
Christians, vote your conscience and morals, everyone else is voting for their own. Budos don't like traditional Christianity and wants you to stay home in November. He's just clowning you.

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Okay let's back up a bit. With the bias we both have, whatever I say is going to be filtered with it. If you do your homework about the good and bad about CN, including its goals, then you are more likely to gain a more informed understanding, which probably won't change your opinion, but will give you a more gestalt perspective of genuine CN and its goals.
Your degree of vitriol indicates you are not aware of its goals and what it would take to get CN to that point.
I'm done. I'm tired of the war with you guys. You win. Good bye.

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When facts are not on your side, our only chance is to quit.

Your fundamental problem is you're arguing against a bogeyman that does not exist - only in the minds of CNN, MSBNC, and other regime media.

You also come across as a moron because you would be the first to advocate for "Muslim nationalism," which would oppose everything you ostensibly believe (other than "brown people good"), but you're not intelligent enough to realize that.

You just listen to angry, red meat, anger-inducing disinformation and have become addicted to its vitriol, so you're tilting at windmills.

You are a fool.

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Okay let's back up a bit. With the bias we both have, whatever I say is going to be filtered with it. If you do your homework about the good and bad about CN, including its goals, then you are more likely to gain a more informed understanding, which probably won't change your opinion, but will give you a more gestalt perspective of genuine CN and its goals.
Your degree of vitriol indicates you are not aware of its goals and what it would take to get CN to that point.
I'm done. I'm tired of the war with you guys. You win. Good bye.

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It's interesting that asking for some evidentiary support for your position - or some example of these alleged Christian nationalists who want to force conversion on unwilling Americans - is so tiresome for you. But I suppose when your bogeyman is a figment of your imagination, it's probably mentally taxing to try and propagate your fantasy with evidence.

What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.