Sam Lowry said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.

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Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.

So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.

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It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.

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An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?

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It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.

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With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.

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He said it's a "perspective". I guess any perspective that's does not match his own, and especially one that can't be measured in any way shape or form, is a potential threat and must be monitored.

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No one's saying that.

This thread is just one weirdly defensive post after another. Odd indeed.

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Someone was saying that. They said it with this post right here

" It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate."

Maybe you've conversed with them before

Sam Lowry said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.

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Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.

So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.

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It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.

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An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?

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It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.

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With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.

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He said it's a "perspective". I guess any perspective that's does not match his own, and especially one that can't be measured in any way shape or form, is a potential threat and must be monitored.

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No one's saying that.

This thread is just one weirdly defensive post after another. Odd indeed.

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It's no surprise that a Catholic and nominal Christian would think that. I mean, it's scare mongering that's not aimed at your demographic..

Again, I ask, who are its adherents and what politicians are they influencing?

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.

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Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.

So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.

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It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.

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An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?

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It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.

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With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.

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He said it's a "perspective". I guess any perspective that's does not match his own, and especially one that can't be measured in any way shape or form, is a potential threat and must be monitored.

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No one's saying that.

This thread is just one weirdly defensive post after another. Odd indeed.

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It's no surprise that a Catholic and nominal Christian would think that.

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Easy fella….this Catholic believes any CN 'fear' is ridiculous nonsense about a nonexistent problem.

But then again there are people who believe the moon landings never occurred.

LOL

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.

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Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.

So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.

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It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.

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An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?

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It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.

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With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.

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He said it's a "perspective". I guess any perspective that's does not match his own, and especially one that can't be measured in any way shape or form, is a potential threat and must be monitored.

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No one's saying that.

This thread is just one weirdly defensive post after another. Odd indeed.

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It's no surprise that a Catholic and nominal Christian would think that. I mean, it's scare mongering that's not aimed at your demographic..

Again, I ask, who are its adherents and what politicians are they influencing?

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Sam's brain just doesn't work once you ask him to provide substance. Google isn't helping cause he doesn't have anything to copy and paste at this point. He can't provide any substance so he resorts to playing the y'all sure are "defensive" card, must have "touched a nerve" etc.
He, Budos, W47 are just trolls at this point. They know they're all talking out of their @$$es but they keep on going because the TV has programmed them how to think. Liberal TDS-ers are immature illogical stooges and they demonstrate it in this forum daily. They flail about when they're not the majority, they can't make sense because they're not used to having to think.
This thread has been fun watching it happen as they scramble to avoid substance, Sam's embarrassing himself more than usual. W47 and Budos are embarrassing themselves about the same as usual.

You can make a very strong case that the religious freedom afforded by the constitution only extends to the moral and religious people that John Adams observed that the constitution was intended to govern.

So Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, Shinto, most Hindus but not Muslims, Baal worship, Satanists, the LGBT crowd, Humanists, or Atheists.

This basic observation - that those who are inherently immoral or refuse to acknowledge a supreme power in the universe greater than themselves - should be excluded from spreading their views or discussions on national governance is rather rational.

It is the intellectual underpinning of why you know it is wrong when some shyster lawyer demands that a statue of Satan be erected next to a Nativity or they want to build a mosque at the 9-11 site but cannot quite articulate why.

Of course the left wants to dismiss this as Christian Nationalism because they are neither moral nor religious.

So you believe all non-left are moral and religious?

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So you believe all non-left are moral and religious?

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Focus on what you see with your own eyes.

Do you like boys competing in girls sports ?
Should CHILDREN be allowed to mutilate themselves without their parents consent ?
Are MILLIONS of unvetted illegals entering our country every year beneficial to you and our other citizens ?
Is involving our country into still another war in Europe making you and those you care about safer ?
Are you willing to pay up to 67% of your income into taxes ? It's happened before.

Any and all of this CN chatter is merely an internet distraction; an illusion.

Focus on the TANGIBLE.

KaiBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.

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Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.

So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.

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It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.

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An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?

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It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.

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With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.

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He said it's a "perspective". I guess any perspective that's does not match his own, and especially one that can't be measured in any way shape or form, is a potential threat and must be monitored.

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No one's saying that.

This thread is just one weirdly defensive post after another. Odd indeed.

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It's no surprise that a Catholic and nominal Christian would think that.

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Easy fella….this Catholic believes any CN 'fear' is ridiculous nonsense about a nonexistent problem.

But then again there are people who believe the moon landings never occurred.

LOL

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Add nominal conservative to the list.

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You can make a very strong case that the religious freedom afforded by the constitution only extends to the moral and religious people that John Adams observed that the constitution was intended to govern.

So Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, Shinto, most Hindus but not Muslims, Baal worship, Satanists, the LGBT crowd, Humanists, or Atheists.

This basic observation - that those who are inherently immoral or refuse to acknowledge a supreme power in the universe greater than themselves - should be excluded from spreading their views or discussions on national governance is rather rational.

It is the intellectual underpinning of why you know it is wrong when some shyster lawyer demands that a statue of Satan be erected next to a Nativity or they want to build a mosque at the 9-11 site but cannot quite articulate why.

Of course the left wants to dismiss this as Christian Nationalism because they are neither moral nor religious.

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I agree that atheism isn't a religion, but religious freedom still extends to atheists. In fact that is part of Adams' point. The Constitution depends on the moral and religious character of the people, not vice versa.

That seems to be a direct implication from the Federalist Papers. Additionally they were counting on an educated populace; unfortunately it may be educated, but apparently not informed, as too many believe in the Orange Judas.

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That seems to be a direct implication from the Federalist Papers. Additionally they were counting on an educated populace; unfortunately it may be educated, but apparently not informed, as too many believe in the Orange Judas.

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What specific policies of Harris exhibited over the last 3.5 years resulted in her getting your vote ?

And let's not forget, Obama's pastor Jeremiah Wright yelled GD America during at least 1 service, saying the words GD not just the letters.

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So you believe all non-left are moral and religious?

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I've seen better and more logical arguments from 3rd graders.

Do better

Yes, please do.

So you trust Trump's to keep his promises/policies? Trump, with his documented and proven lack of integrity and credibility? Trump with his rambling diatribes full of sound and fury and signifying nonsense, coming from what is looking more and more like an idiot growing too old and incompetent.

I trust that Trump will be a better choice than Commula. The important thing now is to prevent the inauguration of an American Hugo Chavez in January. If we don't stop Commula, the country is over. That means down ballot as well. Get your hands on every (D) that you can and throw them out of office. This party must be removed from the levers of power and cast into the outer darkness.

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So you trust Trump's to keep his promises/policies? Trump, with his documented and proven lack of integrity and credibility? Trump with his rambling diatribes full of sound and fury and signifying nonsense, coming from what is looking more and more like an idiot growing too old and incompetent.

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You chose to forget how the Democrats voted against EVERY attempt Trump made to secure the border.

And yet he still reduced this invasion by a significant amount.

He kept the US out of new wars.

Defeated ISIS in a matter of months….stopping their grotesque beheadings of helpless prisoners.

The economy was the strongest it had been in DECADES.

Stopped Obama's lawfare against Christian organizations.


Trumps POLICIES worked.




At the presidential level personalities are not as important as RESULTS.



Take a step away from the unrelenting media propaganda and compare Harris vs Trumps RESULTS.

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Indeed.

Mothra said:

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KaiBear said:

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BUDOS said:

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So you trust Trump's to keep his promises/policies? Trump, with his documented and proven lack of integrity and credibility? Trump with his rambling diatribes full of sound and fury and signifying nonsense, coming from what is looking more and more like an idiot growing too old and incompetent.

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You chose to forget how the Democrats voted against EVERY attempt Trump made to secure the border.

And yet he still reduced this invasion by a significant amount.

He kept the US out of new wars.

Defeated ISIS in a matter of months….stopping their grotesque beheadings of helpless prisoners.

The economy was the strongest it had been in DECADES.

Stopped Obama's lawfare against Christian organizations.


Trumps POLICIES worked.




At the presidential level personalities are not as important as RESULTS.



Take a step away from the unrelenting media propaganda and compare Harris vs Trumps RESULTS.

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Indeed.

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indubitably

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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KaiBear said:

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BUDOS said:

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So you trust Trump's to keep his promises/policies? Trump, with his documented and proven lack of integrity and credibility? Trump with his rambling diatribes full of sound and fury and signifying nonsense, coming from what is looking more and more like an idiot growing too old and incompetent.

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You chose to forget how the Democrats voted against EVERY attempt Trump made to secure the border.

And yet he still reduced this invasion by a significant amount.

He kept the US out of new wars.

Defeated ISIS in a matter of months….stopping their grotesque beheadings of helpless prisoners.

The economy was the strongest it had been in DECADES.

Stopped Obama's lawfare against Christian organizations.


Trumps POLICIES worked.




At the presidential level personalities are not as important as RESULTS.



Take a step away from the unrelenting media propaganda and compare Harris vs Trumps RESULTS.

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Indeed.

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indubitably

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Yep

You guys are addicted to the kool aid and you are lost.
I don't care for several of her policies. There is much about her I don't like as a person. However,She isn't a convicted felon, found guilty of sexual assault, only president to actively lead an assault against the capital, documented lying, preaching retribution, has love affairs with dictators, dabbles in racism, continues to advocate violence, undermines our democracy, etc.
I have read multiple books written by his own staff, watched all of the January 6 event that day and him sitting on his butt.

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You guys are addicted to the kool aid and you are lost.
I don't care for several of her policies. There is much about her I don't like as a person. However,She isn't a convicted felon, found guilty of sexual assault, only president to actively lead an assault against the capital, documented lying, preaching retribution, has love affairs with dictators, dabbles in racism, continues to advocate violence, undermines our democracy, etc.
I have read multiple books written by his own staff, watched all of the January 6 event that day and him sitting on his butt.

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pretty much everything you wrote id wrong.. impressive

So close to perfection but you got a few things actually right

I don't deny that I don't like Trump; however my "emotions " are based on learning about him, listening to him, watching him and reading about him since about 2010. Therefore I don't agree that I am illogical.
Likewise, you have multiple posts that are articulate and, at times presented in a manner that causes me to think and even shift my thinking a bit.
We are not going to change stances on Trump; however, on other issues it has.

GrowlTowel said:

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You guys are addicted to the kool aid and you are lost.
I don't care for several of her policies. There is much about her I don't like as a person. However,She isn't a convicted felon, found guilty of sexual assault, only president to actively lead an assault against the capital, documented lying, preaching retribution, has love affairs with dictators, dabbles in racism, continues to advocate violence, undermines our democracy, etc.
I have read multiple books written by his own staff, watched all of the January 6 event that day and him sitting on his butt.

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There is really nothing you can do with people like this other than to mock them and move on.

Trump has not been convicted of anything. A jury verdict is not a conviction.
Trump was not found guilty of sexual assault as that was not a jury question in the defamation trial.
Trump did not lead an assault on the capital.
Preaching retribution? My goodness, have you not noticed what Giggles and Brandon's DOJ has been doing?
Dabbles in racism - that is a core democrat policy. It is a party founded by racists for racists.
Continues to advocate violence - have you looked outside the DNC? Did you note the summer of love?
Undermines Democracy? - like canceling a primary and installing an unelected alcoholic ****?

You are simply stated, a clown.

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Well stated. I'd only add that the "summer of love" lasted 8 months.

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I don't deny that I don't like Trump; however my "emotions " are based on learning about him, listening to him, watching him and reading about him since about 2010. Therefore I don't agree that I am illogical.
Likewise, you have multiple posts that are articulate and, at times presented in a manner that causes me to think and even shift my thinking a bit.
We are not going to change stances on Trump; however, on other issues it has.

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

There is virtually nothing the democrats do that I support. Their policies are ridiculous. Their platform and actions is what I would expect from an enemy of mine.

That scum bag, womanizing, narcissistic Trump has policies that I can support, policies that have already shown to produce positive results. Because he is an enemy to my enemies, I'll accept him as my friend.

BUDOS said:

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I don't deny that I don't like Trump; however my "emotions " are based on learning about him, listening to him, watching him and reading about him since about 2010. Therefore I don't agree that I am illogical.
Likewise, you have multiple posts that are articulate and, at times presented in a manner that causes me to think and even shift my thinking a bit.
We are not going to change stances on Trump; however, on other issues it has.

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Throughout US history there have been many flawed presidents.

LBJ, Nixon, Clinton, Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Joe Biden, JFK, Grant and Trump all come to mind.

And several noble presidents such as Jimmy Carter , Washington, Monroe, Polk, and Taft.

But all that effects you, me and our country is their POLICIES.

And Harris's policies are no different than Biden's. So if you wish for continued inflation, millions of illegals flooding into our country , fentanyl continuing to kill over 100,000 Americans annually and a host of woke agendas …..

By all means vote for Harris. Although I sincerely see zero evidence of any ethical or moral superiority in the gal.

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You guys are addicted to the kool aid and you are lost.
I don't care for several of her policies. There is much about her I don't like as a person. However,She isn't a convicted felon, found guilty of sexual assault, only president to actively lead an assault against the capital, documented lying, preaching retribution, has love affairs with dictators, dabbles in racism, continues to advocate violence, undermines our democracy, etc.
I have read multiple books written by his own staff, watched all of the January 6 event that day and him sitting on his butt.

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That post is one long projection. You're literally addicted to Kool-Aid and are lost in an ocean of disinformation.

Stopping getting your disinformation from The View.