We need Israel to break the backs of Hamas and Hezbollah.

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KaiBear said:

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In my view Israel should withdraw from Gaza and stop the air attacks in Lebanon.

They have killed enough people already to satisfy any need for revenge.

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You know what stops justified retaliation? Surrender by the instigator.

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That will never happen.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. I am glad Israel is now kicking their *****. No cease fires. No 2 state solutions. ALL OUT WAR! And, if it needs to head to Tehran too then so be it.

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Absolutely

Another overseas war on behalf of our woke elites will certainly increase the army's dismal recruiting.

Or we can simply re establish the draft.

That will be popular.

Especially if it includes student deferments for those who can afford college.

Win-Win

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I guess you are good with terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah doing what they do on a daily basis.

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Yep I love terror groups.

Gives our elites an excuse to get our people killed and maimed while they safely play world policeman; thousands of miles from the screaming and smells of burning corpses.

To them it's all a video game with the added benefit of making more money.

Of course no other countries in our western hemisphere have experienced anything like the horror of 9-11 either.

Gutless pussie$ right ?

They just don't know how to get in on the 'excitement'.

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in your view, what should Israel do, this time and next?

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In my view Israel should withdraw from Gaza and stop the air attacks in Lebanon.

They have killed enough people already to satisfy any need for revenge.

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and the next time, or will this bring peace?

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There will always be a next time.

However with the right treaty Israel could gain another 50-75 years.

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How many "right treat(ies)" have been rejected by Israel and how many by the Palestinians/terrorist?

What do you suppose the right treaty looks like?

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The right treaty provides real sovereignty to the Gaza Strip and a genuine home for Palestinians.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. I am glad Israel is now kicking their *****. No cease fires. No 2 state solutions. ALL OUT WAR! And, if it needs to head to Tehran too then so be it.

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Absolutely

Another overseas war on behalf of our woke elites will certainly increase the army's dismal recruiting.

Or we can simply re establish the draft.

That will be popular.

Especially if it includes student deferments for those who can afford college.

Win-Win

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I guess you are good with terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah doing what they do on a daily basis.

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Yep I love terror groups.

Gives our elites an excuse to get our people killed and maimed while they safely play world policeman; thousands of miles from the screaming and smells of burning corpses.

To them it's all a video game with the added benefit of making more money.

Of course no other countries in our western hemisphere have experienced anything like the horror of 9-11 either.

Gutless pussie$ right ?

They just don't know how to get in on the 'excitement'.

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in your view, what should Israel do, this time and next?

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In my view Israel should withdraw from Gaza and stop the air attacks in Lebanon.

They have killed enough people already to satisfy any need for revenge.

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and the next time, or will this bring peace?

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There will always be a next time.

However with the right treaty Israel could gain another 50-75 years.

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You expect 50 years? You can't find me a 25 year period of peace this side of 1947 for Israel.

You really have no clue.

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Yes sir.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. I am glad Israel is now kicking their *****. No cease fires. No 2 state solutions. ALL OUT WAR! And, if it needs to head to Tehran too then so be it.

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Absolutely

Another overseas war on behalf of our woke elites will certainly increase the army's dismal recruiting.

Or we can simply re establish the draft.

That will be popular.

Especially if it includes student deferments for those who can afford college.

Win-Win

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I guess you are good with terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah doing what they do on a daily basis.

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Yep I love terror groups.

Gives our elites an excuse to get our people killed and maimed while they safely play world policeman; thousands of miles from the screaming and smells of burning corpses.

To them it's all a video game with the added benefit of making more money.

Of course no other countries in our western hemisphere have experienced anything like the horror of 9-11 either.

Gutless pussie$ right ?

They just don't know how to get in on the 'excitement'.

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in your view, what should Israel do, this time and next?

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In my view Israel should withdraw from Gaza and stop the air attacks in Lebanon.

They have killed enough people already to satisfy any need for revenge.

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and the next time, or will this bring peace?

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There will always be a next time.

However with the right treaty Israel could gain another 50-75 years.

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You expect 50 years? You can't find me a 25 year period of peace this side of 1947 for Israel.

You really have no clue.

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Yes sir.

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Peace will not come via stalemate. It will come with the defeat of Hamas and Hezbollah and with the understandings from neighboring Arab/Muslim countries that aid from the US is conditional on them playing a role for the Palestinian people. It will take a strong American president to set and adhere to those standards.

Tit-for-tat doesn't buy peace. Neither do pallets of money.

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Killing thousands of innocent people doesn't buy peace either.

Only extends the hatred for additional generations.

It's past time for the United States to get clear of what ever promises the Israeli lobbyists have purchased from our members of Congress.

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KaiBear said:

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Israel has intensified their attacks throughout the region.

Stunned Turkey and Iran have not intervened.

I have been a life long supporter of Israel; but something has gone totally out of wack.

Time to te evaluate US blank checks to the Zionist State.

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Why won't Hamas release the hostages?

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Apparently Israel won't be happy with Hamas returning corpses, because by now that's what the hostages are..

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Probably not all. The hostages are more valuable to the terrorists alive than dead. If Israel had a reason to believe all were dead then they might feel justified ramping up the military pressure on their enemies.

KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. I am glad Israel is now kicking their *****. No cease fires. No 2 state solutions. ALL OUT WAR! And, if it needs to head to Tehran too then so be it.

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Absolutely

Another overseas war on behalf of our woke elites will certainly increase the army's dismal recruiting.

Or we can simply re establish the draft.

That will be popular.

Especially if it includes student deferments for those who can afford college.

Win-Win

---

I guess you are good with terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah doing what they do on a daily basis.

---

Yep I love terror groups.

Gives our elites an excuse to get our people killed and maimed while they safely play world policeman; thousands of miles from the screaming and smells of burning corpses.

To them it's all a video game with the added benefit of making more money.

Of course no other countries in our western hemisphere have experienced anything like the horror of 9-11 either.

Gutless pussie$ right ?

They just don't know how to get in on the 'excitement'.

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in your view, what should Israel do, this time and next?

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In my view Israel should withdraw from Gaza and stop the air attacks in Lebanon.

They have killed enough people already to satisfy any need for revenge.

---

and the next time, or will this bring peace?

---

There will always be a next time.

However with the right treaty Israel could gain another 50-75 years.

---

You expect 50 years? You can't find me a 25 year period of peace this side of 1947 for Israel.

You really have no clue.

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Yes sir.

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Peace will not come via stalemate. It will come with the defeat of Hamas and Hezbollah and with the understandings from neighboring Arab/Muslim countries that aid from the US is conditional on them playing a role for the Palestinian people. It will take a strong American president to set and adhere to those standards.

Tit-for-tat doesn't buy peace. Neither do pallets of money.

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Killing thousands of innocent people doesn't buy peace either.

Only extends the hatred for additional generations.

It's past time for the United States to get clear of what ever promises the Israeli lobbyists have purchased from our members of Congress.

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Any other US administration would likely have been planning to deploy our forces to rescue our US citizen hostages in Gaza and wreck those tunnels. Instead, we have a barely coherent president who castigates the Israelis when they try to rescue their, and our people. Kudos to Israel for taking out one of the terrorists who caused the deaths of 241 US Marines and 50 odd French military in the 1983 Beirut truck bombing of our barracks.

KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. I am glad Israel is now kicking their *****. No cease fires. No 2 state solutions. ALL OUT WAR! And, if it needs to head to Tehran too then so be it.

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Absolutely

Another overseas war on behalf of our woke elites will certainly increase the army's dismal recruiting.

Or we can simply re establish the draft.

That will be popular.

Especially if it includes student deferments for those who can afford college.

Win-Win

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Who said anything about Americans fighting this war? Israel is capable of fighting it themselves. Also, you cannot trust the death toll numbers from terrorists or from the MSM both of whom are fascist propagandists. The propaganda from Hamas in Gaza & western media has been proven false repeatedly. Finally, Israel's attacks are not "indiscriminate", just the opposite: targeted strikes against terrorists with lots of blood on their hands.

Also, we don't know how many Lebanese have died in this war. You cannot trust the numbers from th

Why the obsession with 9-11? There have been hundreds of terrorist attacked since then and it's global with attacks in Europe, South America, North Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, etc. 9-11 is only the largest and most dramatic and largest death toll in one day but there have been several large scale attacks since then, some with dozens of hundreds of dead. They are all relevant and imports. All the victims matter, not only those being used as human shields by the terrorists responsible for ALL these deaths.

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Why the obsession with 9-11? There have been hundreds of terrorist attacked since then and it's global with attacks in Europe, South America, North Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, etc. 9-11 is only the largest and most dramatic and largest death toll in one day but there have been several large scale attacks since then, some with dozens of hundreds of dead. They are all relevant and imports. All the victims matter, not only those being used as human shields by the terrorists responsible for ALL these deaths.

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We are attacked because we insist on playing the world's policeman.

It's past time to return to the policies of the founding fathers.

And for those who don't like that example ….we would be ahead practicing the philosophy of Switzerland.

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. I am glad Israel is now kicking their *****. No cease fires. No 2 state solutions. ALL OUT WAR! And, if it needs to head to Tehran too then so be it.

---

Absolutely

Another overseas war on behalf of our woke elites will certainly increase the army's dismal recruiting.

Or we can simply re establish the draft.

That will be popular.

Especially if it includes student deferments for those who can afford college.

Win-Win

---

I guess you are good with terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah doing what they do on a daily basis.

---

Yep I love terror groups.

Gives our elites an excuse to get our people killed and maimed while they safely play world policeman; thousands of miles from the screaming and smells of burning corpses.

To them it's all a video game with the added benefit of making more money.

Of course no other countries in our western hemisphere have experienced anything like the horror of 9-11 either.

Gutless pussie$ right ?

They just don't know how to get in on the 'excitement'.

---

in your view, what should Israel do, this time and next?

---

In my view Israel should withdraw from Gaza and stop the air attacks in Lebanon.

They have killed enough people already to satisfy any need for revenge.

---

and the next time, or will this bring peace?

---

There will always be a next time.

However with the right treaty Israel could gain another 50-75 years.

---

You expect 50 years? You can't find me a 25 year period of peace this side of 1947 for Israel.

You really have no clue.

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Yes sir.

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Peace will not come via stalemate. It will come with the defeat of Hamas and Hezbollah and with the understandings from neighboring Arab/Muslim countries that aid from the US is conditional on them playing a role for the Palestinian people. It will take a strong American president to set and adhere to those standards.

Tit-for-tat doesn't buy peace. Neither do pallets of money.

---

Killing thousands of innocent people doesn't buy peace either.

Only extends the hatred for additional generations.

It's past time for the United States to get clear of what ever promises the Israeli lobbyists have purchased from our members of Congress.

---

Tell that to the terrorists. They are responsible for every single death from this war, including Gazans & Lebanese used as human shields. You keep blaming Israel but you never answer the questions:

Does Israel have a right to exist?
Do the Jewish people have a right to live in their homeland?

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Israel has the right to exist.

Lebanese have the right to exist.

Jewish people have a right to their homeland.

Palestinians have a right to their homeland.



The United States needs to focus our resources on our own people.

Isolationism did not do much to prevent 911.

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Isolationism did not do much to prevent 911.

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Bizarre interpretation.

You really think those Muslims attacked the pentagon and World Trade Center because we weren't involved in the Middle East ?

What isolationism? The U.S. hasn't had any of that since before WWII.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. I am glad Israel is now kicking their *****. No cease fires. No 2 state solutions. ALL OUT WAR! And, if it needs to head to Tehran too then so be it.

---

Absolutely

Another overseas war on behalf of our woke elites will certainly increase the army's dismal recruiting.

Or we can simply re establish the draft.

That will be popular.

Especially if it includes student deferments for those who can afford college.

Win-Win

---

I guess you are good with terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah doing what they do on a daily basis.

---

Yep I love terror groups.

Gives our elites an excuse to get our people killed and maimed while they safely play world policeman; thousands of miles from the screaming and smells of burning corpses.

To them it's all a video game with the added benefit of making more money.

Of course no other countries in our western hemisphere have experienced anything like the horror of 9-11 either.

Gutless pussie$ right ?

They just don't know how to get in on the 'excitement'.

---

in your view, what should Israel do, this time and next?

---

In my view Israel should withdraw from Gaza and stop the air attacks in Lebanon.

They have killed enough people already to satisfy any need for revenge.

---

and the next time, or will this bring peace?

---

There will always be a next time.

However with the right treaty Israel could gain another 50-75 years.

---

You expect 50 years? You can't find me a 25 year period of peace this side of 1947 for Israel.

You really have no clue.

---

Yes sir.

---

Peace will not come via stalemate. It will come with the defeat of Hamas and Hezbollah and with the understandings from neighboring Arab/Muslim countries that aid from the US is conditional on them playing a role for the Palestinian people. It will take a strong American president to set and adhere to those standards.

Tit-for-tat doesn't buy peace. Neither do pallets of money.

---

Killing thousands of innocent people doesn't buy peace either.

Only extends the hatred for additional generations.

It's past time for the United States to get clear of what ever promises the Israeli lobbyists have purchased from our members of Congress.

---

Tell that to the terrorists. They are responsible for every single death from this war, including Gazans & Lebanese used as human shields. You keep blaming Israel but you never answer the questions:

Does Israel have a right to exist?
Do the Jewish people have a right to live in their homeland?

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Israel has the right to exist.

Lebanese have the right to exist.

Jewish people have a right to their homeland.

Palestinians have a right to their homeland.



The United States needs to focus our resources on our own people.

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It sounds like you are for the two state solution. Israel was willing to do that. The Palestinian Authority was not.

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I completely support the right of Israel to exist inside its borders

But if Israel really wanted a two state solution (what the world supports) it would not be endlessly militarily occupying the West Bank and settling hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers on the land….and very blatant attempt to annex the land.

It's obvious they don't intend for a two state solution to ever come about…












https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-map-of-israeli-settlements-that-shocked-barack-obama

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"Palestinians have a right to their homeland."

They already have one. It's called Jordan.

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At this point that is probably the likely outcome of this endless conflict

Palestinians being resettled in Jordan

Or in a larger Gaza…ala the last peace plan Trump and the Saudi's were working on.

Israel outright annexes the West Bank

Gaza is expanded in to Sinai peninsula (in exchange for cash paid to Egypt)

And that new larger Gaza becomes the State of Palestine

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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KaiBear said:

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ScottS said:

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Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. I am glad Israel is now kicking their *****. No cease fires. No 2 state solutions. ALL OUT WAR! And, if it needs to head to Tehran too then so be it.

---

Absolutely

Another overseas war on behalf of our woke elites will certainly increase the army's dismal recruiting.

Or we can simply re establish the draft.

That will be popular.

Especially if it includes student deferments for those who can afford college.

Win-Win

---

I guess you are good with terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah doing what they do on a daily basis.

---

Yep I love terror groups.

Gives our elites an excuse to get our people killed and maimed while they safely play world policeman; thousands of miles from the screaming and smells of burning corpses.

To them it's all a video game with the added benefit of making more money.

Of course no other countries in our western hemisphere have experienced anything like the horror of 9-11 either.

Gutless pussie$ right ?

They just don't know how to get in on the 'excitement'.

---

in your view, what should Israel do, this time and next?

---

In my view Israel should withdraw from Gaza and stop the air attacks in Lebanon.

They have killed enough people already to satisfy any need for revenge.

---

and the next time, or will this bring peace?

---

There will always be a next time.

However with the right treaty Israel could gain another 50-75 years.

---

How many "right treat(ies)" have been rejected by Israel and how many by the Palestinians/terrorist?

What do you suppose the right treaty looks like?

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The right treaty provides real sovereignty to the Gaza Strip and a genuine home for Palestinians.

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They can never be trusted with sovereignty. The only real solution is an annex of all of it by Israel and let them sort out the security situation.

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Until today I never believed the other Arab nations would tolerate Israel annexing Gaza.

However no one has yet to challenge Israel's heavy handed actions.

So maybe anything is possible.

And, arguably, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. Palestinians are Arabs.

They don't want 2 states. They want to eliminate Israel completely and finish what Hitler started in the Holocaust.

Most of the rest of the Arab world prefer Israel to the Palestinians. Israel is stable and prosperous. They are also safe neighbors to those who don't try to kill them. They have been at peace with Egypt since 1979 and with Jordan since 1993. The Abram Accords resulted in healthy, peaceful relations with other Arab states and Saudi Arabia preparing to join until October 7.

Intelligent Arabs recognize Iran as the greater threat which is why those negotiations have been successful and why some Arab states helped defend Israel from Iranian missiles & drones in the Spring.

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And, arguably, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. Palestinians are Arabs.
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For the record Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqs, and Palestinians are only culturally Arabic….they are NOT actual Arabs

Lebanese and Syrian Christians have long pointed that out.

[A study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics found that 93% of modern Lebanese DNA comes from ancient Canaanites who lived nearly 4,000 years ago]

[the overwhelming majority of Syrian people are descendants of other Semitic peoples, such as the Assyrians, Chaldeans, and Canaanites]

[Modern Iraqis are descended from a variety of ancient populations, including Neolithic Iranians, Eastern Hunter Gatherers, and an East African population from around 4,500 years ago]

The Arabs were in the Arabian Peninsula and just because they conquered those areas during the Islamic expansion did not mean they replaced the ethnic groups that lived there.

They simply converted them to their religion and language

historian said:

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Most of the rest of the Arab world prefer Israel to the Palestinians. Israel is stable and prosperous. They are also safe neighbors to those who font try to kill them. They have been at peace with Egypt since 1979 and with Jordan since 1993. The Abram Accords resulted in healthy, peaceful relations with other Arab states and Saudi Arabia preparing to join until October 7.

Intelligent Arabs recognize Iran as the greater threat which is why those negotiations have been successful and why some Arab states helped defend Israel from Iranian missiles & drones in the Spring.

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Good points.

So the Muslims are just supposed to die without fighting back.

Seems reasonable.

Wangchung said:

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KaiBear said:

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So the Muslims are just supposed to die without fighting back.

Seems reasonable.

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It's not considered fighting back if you started it.

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Please define the start date.