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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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Not true. we've been over this time and again.

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Approximately 95% of Germans were Protestants and Catholics with another 3.5% believing in God. You can't deny that.

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What does that have to do with all the Germans supporting the Nazis?

Dude, your hate for Christians and love for atheism is duly noted. You don't need to express further without turning off a lot more people on this forum

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine..

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1. I again don't know how you square that with the fact that a majority of German Christians (and a super majority of German Catholics) never voted for the Nazi party.

It was a dictatorship

As an Example…Just because a communist dictatorship runs modern Cuba (and most Cubans are Christians) does not mean Cuba Christians support the communists in Havana.

Dictatorships can hold onto power for a long time even after they have long lost the support of the regular people.

2. We were talking about the old USSR….majority Christian on paper…but rule by a Bolshevik regime that oppressed and killed the Orthodox Christian population and oppressed the Russian Orthodox Church and all other Christian churches

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

---

See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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Not true. we've been over this time and again.

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Approximately 95% of Germans were Protestants and Catholics with another 3.5% believing in God. You can't deny that.

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What does that have to do with all the Germans supporting the Nazis?

Dude, your hate for Christians and love for atheism is duly noted. You don't need to express further without turning off a lot more people on this forum

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What I'm pointing out, is that Nazi ranks were filled with Christians, something you can't seem to acknowledge.

I don't hate Christians. Rather, I think its the other way around. You hate atheists. I just know that Christians are misled and misinformed, even duped, if you will, into institutionalized false beliefs.

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TexasScientist said:

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Assassin said:

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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Not true. we've been over this time and again.

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Approximately 95% of Germans were Protestants and Catholics with another 3.5% believing in God. You can't deny that.

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What does that have to do with all the Germans supporting the Nazis?

Dude, your hate for Christians and love for atheism is duly noted. You don't need to express further without turning off a lot more people on this forum

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What I'm pointing out, is that Nazi ranks were filled with Christians, something you can't seem to acknowledge.

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But we have acknowledged that the super majority of Germans at the time were Christians (as were all Europeans in every country)

That does not mean they were rapid Nazi supporters.

Most people in the USSR/Russian empire were Christians when the Bolsheviks took power. Does not mean the majority of Christians there supported their oppressors.

The majority of Chinese were Buddhist when the communists took power in the 1940s-1950s. Does not mean a majority of Chinese Buddhists supported Mao

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Assassin said:

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine..

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1. I again don't know how you square that with the fact that a majority of German Christians (and a super majority of German Catholics) never voted for the Nazi party.

It was a dictatorship

As an Example…Just because a communist dictatorship runs modern Cuba (and most Cubans are Christians) does not mean Cuba Christians support the communists in Havana.

Dictatorships can hold onto power for a long time even after they have long lost the support of the regular people.

2. We were talking about the old USSR….majority Christian on paper…but rule by a Bolshevik regime that oppressed and killed the Orthodox Christian population and oppressed the Russian Orthodox Church and all other Christian churches

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1. Clearly 95% of that 37% (assuming your % is reliable) were Christian. They obviously weren't all atheists. The other 65% mostly Christian let them take control.

2. The reason the Communist Party was oppressive against all religion was to prevent institutional rivals from threatening state authority.

Any system of belief, or lack of belief, can be utilized for justification of reprehensible acts. History is littered with examples of such for which Christianity is not immune.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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Not true. we've been over this time and again.

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Approximately 95% of Germans were Protestants and Catholics with another 3.5% believing in God. You can't deny that.

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What does that have to do with all the Germans supporting the Nazis?

Dude, your hate for Christians and love for atheism is duly noted. You don't need to express further without turning off a lot more people on this forum

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What I'm pointing out, is that Nazi ranks were filled with Christians, something you can't seem to acknowledge.

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But we have acknowledged that the super majority of Germans at the time were Christians (as were all Europeans in every country)

That does not mean they were rapid Nazi supporters.

Most people in the USSR/Russian empire were Christians when the Bolsheviks took power. Does not mean the majority of Christians there supported their oppressors.

The majority of Chinese were Buddhist when the communists took power in the 1940s-1950s. Does not mean a majority of Chinese Buddhists supported Mao

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I doubt a majority of Christians and/or non believers supported the Inquisition, but the Inquisition was run under the authority of the Church. I doubt a majority of non believers supported oppression of the Church in Russia. Bad actors use whatever they have at their disposal to acquire and hold power.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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Not true. we've been over this time and again.

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Approximately 95% of Germans were Protestants and Catholics with another 3.5% believing in God. You can't deny that.

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What does that have to do with all the Germans supporting the Nazis?

Dude, your hate for Christians and love for atheism is duly noted. You don't need to express further without turning off a lot more people on this forum

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What I'm pointing out, is that Nazi ranks were filled with Christians, something you can't seem to acknowledge.

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But we have acknowledged that the super majority of Germans at the time were Christians (as were all Europeans in every country)

That does not mean they were rapid Nazi supporters.

Most people in the USSR/Russian empire were Christians when the Bolsheviks took power. Does not mean the majority of Christians there supported their oppressors.

The majority of Chinese were Buddhist when the communists took power in the 1940s-1950s. Does not mean a majority of Chinese Buddhists supported Mao

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I doubt a majority of Christians and/or non believers supported the Inquisition, but the Inquisition was run under the authority of the Church. I doubt a majority of non believers supported oppression of the Church in Russia. Bad actors use whatever they have at their disposal to acquire and hold power.

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So now we are moving to the example of a actual Roman Catholic Church run form of oppression in medieval Spain.

Well I will say that is a better example of something you could pin on Christians at the time. Though still with some problems...(hierarchical church in a absolute monarchy with no political rights/votes for the regular people)

But your arguments on here has been around a Secular State in Germany...taken over by a minority political party with Secular & Neo-Pagan motivations that committed great crimes....and used that as an example to attack the Christians of Germany as being complicit in the Nazis.

When of course a majority of German Christians never voted for the party at all....the Roman Catholics in Germany very much opposed the party and never voted for it at all.

Russian Christians are not responsible for the Crimes of the Bolsheviks, Chinese Buddhists are not responsible for the crimes of the Beijing communists, and German Christians are not responsible for the crimes of the Nazis.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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Not true. we've been over this time and again.

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Approximately 95% of Germans were Protestants and Catholics with another 3.5% believing in God. You can't deny that.

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What does that have to do with all the Germans supporting the Nazis?

Dude, your hate for Christians and love for atheism is duly noted. You don't need to express further without turning off a lot more people on this forum

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What I'm pointing out, is that Nazi ranks were filled with Christians, something you can't seem to acknowledge.

I don't hate Christians. Rather, I think its the other way around. You hate atheists. I just know that Christians are misled and misinformed, even duped, if you will, into institutionalized false beliefs.

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Of course, Nazi ranks had Christians in them. It's a Christian-based country, but you ignored the fact that many of them were forced into the Nazi ranks; otherwise, they would have been killed or persecuted along with their families. And millions did not join the Nazi Party and were persecuted for resisting them.

And you do come across as hating Christianity. I assume that now you don't realize that. Now you know.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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Not true. we've been over this time and again.

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Approximately 95% of Germans were Protestants and Catholics with another 3.5% believing in God. You can't deny that.

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What does that have to do with all the Germans supporting the Nazis?

Dude, your hate for Christians and love for atheism is duly noted. You don't need to express further without turning off a lot more people on this forum

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What I'm pointing out, is that Nazi ranks were filled with Christians, something you can't seem to acknowledge.

I don't hate Christians. Rather, I think its the other way around. You hate atheists. I just know that Christians are misled and misinformed, even duped, if you will, into institutionalized false beliefs.

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Of course, Nazi ranks had Christians in them. It's a Christian-based country, but you ignored the fact that many of them were forced into the Nazi ranks; otherwise, they would have been killed or persecuted along with their families. And millions did not join the Nazi Party and were persecuted for resisting them.

And you do come across as hating Christianity. I assume that now you don't realize that. Now you know.

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His argument is Christians "let the Nazis take control"

So it his subjective opinion that a mass murdering totalitarian party (that never got even close to a majority of votes) was the responsibility of Christians.

By that logic ever group of tyrants in history is the responsibility of those they oppressed

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Assassin said:

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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Not true. we've been over this time and again.

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Approximately 95% of Germans were Protestants and Catholics with another 3.5% believing in God. You can't deny that.

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What does that have to do with all the Germans supporting the Nazis?

Dude, your hate for Christians and love for atheism is duly noted. You don't need to express further without turning off a lot more people on this forum

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What I'm pointing out, is that Nazi ranks were filled with Christians, something you can't seem to acknowledge.

I don't hate Christians. Rather, I think its the other way around. You hate atheists. I just know that Christians are misled and misinformed, even duped, if you will, into institutionalized false beliefs.

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Do you think Donald Trump is a Christian?

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[color=#000000]So now we are moving to the example of a actual Roman Catholic Church run form of oppression in medieval Spain.[/color]

[color=#000000]Well I will say that is a better example of something you could pin on Christians at the time. Though still with some problems...(hierarchical church in a absolute monarchy with no political rights/votes for the regular people)[/color]

[color=#000000]But your arguments on here has been around a Secular State in Germany...taken over by a minority political party with Secular & Neo-Pagan motivations that committed great crimes....and used that as an example to attack the Christians of Germany as being complicit in the Nazis.[/color]

[color=#000000]When of course a majority of German Christians never voted for the party at all....the Roman Catholics in Germany very much opposed the party and never voted for it at all.[/color]

[color=#000000]Russian Christians are not responsible for the Crimes of the Bolsheviks, Chinese Buddhists are not responsible for the crimes of the Beijing communists, and German Christians are not responsible for the crimes of the Nazis.[/color]

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If you want to make that argument, then it also applies to atheists.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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Not true. we've been over this time and again.

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Approximately 95% of Germans were Protestants and Catholics with another 3.5% believing in God. You can't deny that.

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What does that have to do with all the Germans supporting the Nazis?

Dude, your hate for Christians and love for atheism is duly noted. You don't need to express further without turning off a lot more people on this forum

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What I'm pointing out, is that Nazi ranks were filled with Christians, something you can't seem to acknowledge.

I don't hate Christians. Rather, I think its the other way around. You hate atheists. I just know that Christians are misled and misinformed, even duped, if you will, into institutionalized false beliefs.

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I think it depends upon your definition doesn't it? If you go by the definition of what I was raised to believe in, I would say absolutely not.

Hate is not the correct word. I don't hate Christians or Christianity per se. I don't hate Muslims or Islam. I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy. Religion typically requires faith and/or adherence to its dogma without regard to the reality.

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Hate is not the correct word. I don't hate Christians or Christianity per se. I don't hate Muslims or Islam. I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy. Religion typically requires faith and/or adherence to its dogma without regard to the reality.

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Religion is unprovable, but it typically doesn't require adherence to things that are demonstrably false. That's the main difference between religion and politics.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Hate is not the correct word. I don't hate Christians or Christianity per se. I don't hate Muslims or Islam. I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy. Religion typically requires faith and/or adherence to its dogma without regard to the reality.

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Religion is unprovable, but it typically doesn't require adherence to things that are demonstrably false. That's the main difference between religion and politics.

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Religion often does require adherence to dogma.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Religion is a threat to humanity when it seeks to impose its value system on others.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Religion is a threat to humanity when it seeks to impose its value system on others.

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Just about all groups that exist on a large scale try to impose their value system on others…at least in some manner or form.

And look no further than modern secular liberalism to find a very intolerant and expansion hungry ideology that seeks to impose its value system globally.

But I agree that if your religion had a dedicated theology around jihad/holy war and its entire history has been one of violent expansion. Then your religion is going to be a threat to others

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Religion is a threat to humanity when it seeks to impose its value system on others.

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So by that way of thinking, Religion has been around for several millennia - how come humanity is not extinct?

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I guess he thinks the tiny (almost insignificant) amount of atheists and agnostics around for thousands of years no doubt magically prevented it.

Really nothing is more outlandish and provincial than this modern fantasy idea that religion was a burden or threat to mankind.

It's probably one of the only things that kept man going through vast eras of unimaginable suffering and toil.

Even Christopher Hitchens the famed atheist admitted it was a first help mate, first form of Philosophy, first form of morality, even first form of healthcare

“Like the communist party in its Leninist construction, Islam aims to control the state without being a subject of the state… Islamic jurisprudence does not recognise secular, still less territorial, jurisdiction as a genuine source of law.”

Sir Roger Scruton pic.twitter.com/g10mbxvRyU

— Mark W. (@DurhamWASP) July 13, 2025

Muslims are very much ok with modern conquest and violence. Just look at their silence when their brothers and sisters commit all sorts of heinous atrocities in the name of their religion. If they truly hated it, they would all speak up.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Religion is a threat to humanity when it seeks to impose its value system on others.

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So by that way of thinking, Religion has been around for several millennia - how come humanity is not extinct?

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He's paraphrasing Marx, a crank who created an idiotic, brutal, genocidal philosophy. Remember, it was Marx who described religion as "the opiate of the people."

Every time he posts one of these ridiculous, incendiary statements he proves Psalm 14:1 & 53:1 correct because the posts are exceedingly foolish.

Great testimony of a Muslim man who going Jesus:

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Religion seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Religion is a threat to humanity when it seeks to impose its value system on others.

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So by that way of thinking, Religion has been around for several millennia - how come humanity is not extinct?

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Threats don't have to take you to extinction, but there is still time for that also.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Religion seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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Luckily for us Christianity is not based on lies.

Its the Truth

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What Islamists did to Yazidis in Iraq was so much worse than what’s happening in Gaza.

Elderly women buried alive for being too old to be sex slaves.

Mothers forced to eat their own babies.

Young girls locked in iron cages and burned to death.

Yet not a single protest!… pic.twitter.com/jp3nuchlX9

— Dr. Maalouf ‏ (@realMaalouf) July 3, 2025

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At least the spectators are being safe wearing masks

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Junk science seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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FIFY

She is only 7 years old, you can see the fear in her eyes.

This poor child! pic.twitter.com/lG34vYYUtM

— Dr. Maalouf ‏ (@realMaalouf) July 15, 2025

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Let me repeat what I said to C. Jordan. Texas Scientist is not a student of history

The largest church in Germany was the German Evangelical Church that included Lutheran, Reformed and United. It had about 40 million people in it in the 1920s out of a 60 million population. The rest were Roman Catholic

The population was strongly anti-Communist and that's how the Nazi's got started along with the resentment forward the international community for the Treaty of Versailles

The Nazi's stated policy fighting Communism made them very popular everywhere, just as they would have been celebrated her post WWI/Russian Revolution of 1917.

In the 1920s, some of the more radical of the German Evangelical Church formed a spinoff group called the German Christian Church, meanwhile another opposing church took the rest of the Lutherans in a different direction, the German Confessing Church.

German Christians: This group, largely aligned with Nazi ideology of fighting Communism, aimed to integrate the Protestant Church into the Nazi state.

Confessing Church: This dissenting faction, initially formed as the Pastors' Emergency League, opposed the German Christians' efforts to Nazify the church.

Hitler didn't take control of the Nazi's until 1933.

By 1934, the Confessing Church included around 7,000 pastors, a significant number considering there were 18,000 Protestant pastors in total. While the Nazi party had significant influence, the German Christians did not represent a majority of the Protestant population.

Focus: The German Christians sought to align Protestantism with Nazi ideology, while the Confessing Church focused on maintaining the autonomy and independence of the church.

Hence, most Lutherans were not part of the Nazi regime but instead fought against it. Look up Dietrich Bonhoeffer for example