His username is quite literally “Death to America” in Farsi. pic.twitter.com/gg8UQXJlYb

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) July 19, 2025

Islamofascists are like fascists everywhere: inconsistent and hypocritical. It goes with being insanely radical & evil.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Religion seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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Luckily for us Christianity is not based on lies.

Its the Truth

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Junk science seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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FIFY

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FIFY doesn't change reality.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Junk science seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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FIFY

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FIFY doesn't change reality.

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And of course that's your reality, which doesn't match most of, if not all of, the realities of the other several thousand members here.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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The vast majority of German males were drafted into their armed forces.

And evasion could result in immediate execution.

As it was over 50,000 German servicemen were executed during the course of the war.

FWIW Hitler was extremely unpopular in much of Germany……especially in Berlin.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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I've covered all that in great detail. Whatever direction you think you are going, it's not gonna change facts. Most Christians in Germany did not support the Nazis. And the Nazi Church started long before Hitler turned it upside down. It was simply a non-confessing church since just post WWI. Many of the members of the church that became the Reich Church did not support Hitler but were scared for their lives to leave.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Junk science seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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FIFY

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FIFY doesn't change reality.

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And of course that's your reality, which doesn't match most of, if not all of, the realities of the other several thousand members here.

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Reality is not subjective: it's either real or not. If someone has "their own reality" chances are they are wrong. Some people are too arrogant to admit that "their reality" might be wrong. Those who put too much stock in science, often junk science, tend to fall into this category.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians?

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And that does mean they were Nazis or supported the Nazis. Most were there as conscript forces (they were made to fight)

The millions of people who filled the armies of the Soviet Union were majority Eastern Orthodox…substantial Jewish and Muslim minorities.

Neither Orthodox Christians, Muslims, or Jews are responsible for the Communist party of the USSR or Stalin.

The communists in the USSR treated their religious groups like dirt. And often directly persecuted them

Hitch: “The barbarian never take the city until someone holds the gates open for them & it’s your own preachers and multi cultural authorities who’ll do it for you...resist, resist it while you can” https://t.co/uaDEWI8o06

— Rita Panahi (@RitaPanahi) July 24, 2025

Islamophobic monkey. pic.twitter.com/Dnxd6XJCxY

— RadioGenoa (@RadioGenoa) July 24, 2025

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Islamophobic monkey. pic.twitter.com/Dnxd6XJCxY

— RadioGenoa (@RadioGenoa) July 24, 2025

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Need to test a few lions and tigers and see if it is a trend

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Junk science seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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FIFY

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FIFY doesn't change reality.

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And of course that's your reality, which doesn't match most of, if not all of, the realities of the other several thousand members here.

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There is one reality, and it is revealed by objective evidence, and inquiry.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Putin himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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The vast majority of German males were drafted into their armed forces.

And evasion could result in immediate execution.

As it was over 50,000 German servicemen were executed during the course of the war.

FWIW Hitler was extremely unpopular in much of Germany……especially in Berlin.

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I don't think it is a particularly good excuse for a predominantly Christian nation. On the other hand, people will abandon what they claim are their convictions when it comes to their perceived personal safety or well being.

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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I've covered all that in great detail. Whatever direction you think you are going, it's not gonna change facts. Most Christians in Germany did not support the Nazis. And the Nazi Church started long before Hitler turned it upside down. It was simply a non-confessing church since just post WWI. Many of the members of the church that became the Reich Church did not support Hitler but were scared for their lives to leave.

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That's a poor excuse. If enough Christians stood up against the Nazis, they would not have been able to take control of the country.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Putin himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians?

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And that does mean they were Nazis or supported the Nazis. Most were there as conscript forces (they were made to fight)

The millions of people who filled the armies of the Soviet Union were majority Eastern Orthodox…substantial Jewish and Muslim minorities.

Neither Orthodox Christians, Muslims, or Jews are responsible for the Communist party of the USSR or Stalin.

The communists in the USSR treated their religious groups like dirt. And often directly persecuted them

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They stood by and allowed it to happen.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Junk science seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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FIFY

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FIFY doesn't change reality.

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And of course that's your reality, which doesn't match most of, if not all of, the realities of the other several thousand members here.

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There is one reality, and it is revealed by objective evidence, and inquiry.

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No, that is your reality. The vast majority of the other folk here have 100% different realities from you. They believe in a God, and not that science disproves a God. As a matter of fact many scientists' reality is that science DOES PROVE that there is a God. Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal, Michael Faraday, Francis Collins, Louis Pasteur, Arthur Compton, Werner Arber, Christian Anfinsen, D.H.R. Barton, Steven Bernasek, Gerhard Ertl, and Freeman Dyson. All scientists much smarter than you, and they all believe/believed in God. And there are tons more, maybe not quite as famous as that particular group, but still, very, very intelligent.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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I've covered all that in great detail. Whatever direction you think you are going, it's not gonna change facts. Most Christians in Germany did not support the Nazis. And the Nazi Church started long before Hitler turned it upside down. It was simply a non-confessing church since just post WWI. Many of the members of the church that became the Reich Church did not support Hitler but were scared for their lives to leave.

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That's a poor excuse. If enough Christians stood up against the Nazis, they would not have been able to take control of the country.

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Let's examine that statement. Stand up to the Nazis and get killed. Go along with the Nazis and live to work against them and everything they stood for.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Putin himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians?

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And that does mean they were Nazis or supported the Nazis. Most were there as conscript forces (they were made to fight)

The millions of people who filled the armies of the Soviet Union were majority Eastern Orthodox…substantial Jewish and Muslim minorities.

Neither Orthodox Christians, Muslims, or Jews are responsible for the Communist party of the USSR or Stalin.

The communists in the USSR treated their religious groups like dirt. And often directly persecuted them

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They stood by and allowed it to happen.

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So all the Buddhists in China today are guilty of the crimes of the communists in Beijing?


Your logic is flawed

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Need to test a few lions and tigers and see if it is a trend

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Seems like untethering the monkey would have been sufficient. But your recommendation stands!

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Junk science seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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FIFY

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FIFY doesn't change reality.

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And of course that's your reality, which doesn't match most of, if not all of, the realities of the other several thousand members here.

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There is one reality, and it is revealed by objective evidence, and inquiry.

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No, that is your reality. The vast majority of the other folk here have 100% different realities from you. They believe in a God, and not that science disproves a God. As a matter of fact many scientists' reality is that science DOES PROVE that there is a God. Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal, Michael Faraday, Francis Collins, Louis Pasteur, Arthur Compton, Werner Arber, Christian Anfinsen, D.H.R. Barton, Steven Bernasek, Gerhard Ertl, and Freeman Dyson. All scientists much smarter than you, and they all believe/believed in God. And there are tons more, maybe not quite as famous as that particular group, but still, very, very intelligent.

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What you are describing is delusion. It is a fixed unshakable false belief that is not based on evidence or logic.

There are a few scientists who somehow manage to hold on to portions of their indoctrination through rejecting what is unbelievable and outright false about their religion, while convolutedly holding on to some aspects of religion through rationalizing and reinterpreting lore, dogma, and avoiding literal interpretation of religious precepts.

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I view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Junk science seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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FIFY

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FIFY doesn't change reality.

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And of course that's your reality, which doesn't match most of, if not all of, the realities of the other several thousand members here.

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There is one reality, and it is revealed by objective evidence, and inquiry.

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No, that is your reality. The vast majority of the other folk here have 100% different realities from you. They believe in a God, and not that science disproves a God. As a matter of fact many scientists' reality is that science DOES PROVE that there is a God. Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal, Michael Faraday, Francis Collins, Louis Pasteur, Arthur Compton, Werner Arber, Christian Anfinsen, D.H.R. Barton, Steven Bernasek, Gerhard Ertl, and Freeman Dyson. All scientists much smarter than you, and they all believe/believed in God. And there are tons more, maybe not quite as famous as that particular group, but still, very, very intelligent.

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What you are describing is delusion. It is a fixed unshakable false belief that is not based on evidence or logic.

There are a few scientists who somehow manage to hold on to portions of their indoctrination through rejecting what is unbelievable and outright false about their religion, while convolutedly holding on to some aspects of religion through rationalizing and reinterpreting lore, dogma, and avoiding literal interpretation of religious precepts.

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The perfect thread for your afternoon reading

http://www.thomism.org/atheism/atheist_murderers.html

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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I've covered all that in great detail. Whatever direction you think you are going, it's not gonna change facts. Most Christians in Germany did not support the Nazis. And the Nazi Church started long before Hitler turned it upside down. It was simply a non-confessing church since just post WWI. Many of the members of the church that became the Reich Church did not support Hitler but were scared for their lives to leave.

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That's a poor excuse. If enough Christians stood up against the Nazis, they would not have been able to take control of the country.

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Let's examine that statement. Stand up to the Nazis and get killed. Go along with the Nazis and live to work against them and everything they stood for.

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I thought Christianity was all about standing up against oppression and laying down your life for others. There is no greater thing you can do - martyrdom. You're exposing the fallacy of your faith my friend.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Putin himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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The vast majority of German males were drafted into their armed forces.

And evasion could result in immediate execution.

As it was over 50,000 German servicemen were executed during the course of the war.

FWIW Hitler was extremely unpopular in much of Germany……especially in Berlin.

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I don't think it is a particularly good excuse for a predominantly Christian nation. On the other hand, people will abandon what they claim are their convictions when it comes to their perceived personal safety or well being.

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Amusing that your life is so boring that you feel compelled to conjure up such tripe on a free message board.

Meanwhile my wife and I have concluded our 10 day tour of New Hampshire ; resting in preparation of flying to Colorado tomorrow to see out two youngest grandchildren.

Do you or 'cingue' have grandchildren ?

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It's just about removing blinders and drawing attention to reality - a public service.

Cinque, as I recall, was a nice, thoughtful and fair minded Christian person, whom I disagreed with on many political and religious issues. She eventually let the vitriol on this board run her off. Some of you "good Christians" take pleasure in denigrating her at every opportunity.

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What research says!! pic.twitter.com/OXQ0kXXrgN

— Emilia Henderson (@Emilia__writes) May 27, 2025

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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See response to Assassin.

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I saw the response....and it was not accurate.

[TexasScientist said:

Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Putin himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians?

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And that does mean they were Nazis or supported the Nazis. Most were there as conscript forces (they were made to fight)

The millions of people who filled the armies of the Soviet Union were majority Eastern Orthodox…substantial Jewish and Muslim minorities.

Neither Orthodox Christians, Muslims, or Jews are responsible for the Communist party of the USSR or Stalin.

The communists in the USSR treated their religious groups like dirt. And often directly persecuted them

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They stood by and allowed it to happen.

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So all the Buddhists in China today are guilty of the crimes of the communists in Beijing?


Your logic is flawed

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Not just the Buddhists.

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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I've covered all that in great detail. Whatever direction you think you are going, it's not gonna change facts. Most Christians in Germany did not support the Nazis. And the Nazi Church started long before Hitler turned it upside down. It was simply a non-confessing church since just post WWI. Many of the members of the church that became the Reich Church did not support Hitler but were scared for their lives to leave.

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That's a poor excuse. If enough Christians stood up against the Nazis, they would not have been able to take control of the country.

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Let's examine that statement. Stand up to the Nazis and get killed. Go along with the Nazis and live to work against them and everything they stood for.

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I thought Christianity was all about standing up against oppression and laying down your life for others. There is no greater thing you can do - martyrdom. You're exposing the fallacy of your faith my friend.

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Dude, as I've said here many times, I am a lousy Christian. When I go to church, I still check out the ladies. I always check out a lovely gal jogging, at least twice. At this point of my life, my habits are too far ingrained into me,

As for the Germans, there would be no reason for a father of a family to lay down his life so that he might be murdered by the Brownshirts and his family would be left flailing in the wind. Jesus also said to use common sense in his own way, his teachings and actions demonstrate principles that align with the concept of sound judgment and practical wisdom. The Bible, particularly in books like Proverbs, encourages discernment and prudence, which are core components of common sense.

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rroI view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Junk science seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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FIFY

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FIFY doesn't change reality.

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And of course that's your reality, which doesn't match most of, if not all of, the realities of the other several thousand members here.

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There is one reality, and it is revealed by objective evidence, and inquiry.

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No, that is your reality. The vast majority of the other folk here have 100% different realities from you. They believe in a God, and not that science disproves a God. As a matter of fact many scientists' reality is that science DOES PROVE that there is a God. Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal, Michael Faraday, Francis Collins, Louis Pasteur, Arthur Compton, Werner Arber, Christian Anfinsen, D.H.R. Barton, Steven Bernasek, Gerhard Ertl, and Freeman Dyson. All scientists much smarter than you, and they all believe/believed in God. And there are tons more, maybe not quite as famous as that particular group, but still, very, very intelligent.

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What you are describing is delusion. It is a fixed unshakable false belief that is not based on evidence or logic.

There are a few scientists who somehow manage to hold on to portions of their indoctrination through rejecting what is unbelievable and outright false about their religion, while convolutedly holding on to some aspects of religion through rationalizing and reinterpreting lore, dogma, and avoiding literal interpretation of religious precepts.

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The perfect thread for your afternoon reading

http://www.thomism.org/atheism/atheist_murderers.html

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Add the popes, bishops, protestants, Muslim and other religious leaders down through history who promoted and committed atrocities to your list of apologetic propaganda.

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rroI view all organized religion as a threat to humanity, especially when religion is conjoined with the power of the state and is institutionalized into a theocracy…

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The thing that has sustained mankind throughout the entire history of human existence is a threat….naw

More like you view religion as a threat to your personal (and very modern) value system.

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Junk science seeks to sustain itself through control of mankind.

An institution built on lies is a threat to any values, including yours.

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FIFY doesn't change reality.

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And of course that's your reality, which doesn't match most of, if not all of, the realities of the other several thousand members here.

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There is one reality, and it is revealed by objective evidence, and inquiry.

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No, that is your reality. The vast majority of the other folk here have 100% different realities from you. They believe in a God, and not that science disproves a God. As a matter of fact many scientists' reality is that science DOES PROVE that there is a God. Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal, Michael Faraday, Francis Collins, Louis Pasteur, Arthur Compton, Werner Arber, Christian Anfinsen, D.H.R. Barton, Steven Bernasek, Gerhard Ertl, and Freeman Dyson. All scientists much smarter than you, and they all believe/believed in God. And there are tons more, maybe not quite as famous as that particular group, but still, very, very intelligent.

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What you are describing is delusion. It is a fixed unshakable false belief that is not based on evidence or logic.

There are a few scientists who somehow manage to hold on to portions of their indoctrination through rejecting what is unbelievable and outright false about their religion, while convolutedly holding on to some aspects of religion through rationalizing and reinterpreting lore, dogma, and avoiding literal interpretation of religious precepts.

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The perfect thread for your afternoon reading

http://www.thomism.org/atheism/atheist_murderers.html

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Add the popes, bishops, protestants, Muslim and other religious leaders down through history who promoted and committed atrocities to your list of apologetic propaganda.

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That rather looooonng list is simply the atheists. You can start your own string of Christians and/or other religions. Rather short in terms of mass numbers, though, especially when compared to the Russians and Chinese

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Puten himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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I've covered all that in great detail. Whatever direction you think you are going, it's not gonna change facts. Most Christians in Germany did not support the Nazis. And the Nazi Church started long before Hitler turned it upside down. It was simply a non-confessing church since just post WWI. Many of the members of the church that became the Reich Church did not support Hitler but were scared for their lives to leave.

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That's a poor excuse. If enough Christians stood up against the Nazis, they would not have been able to take control of the country.

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Let's examine that statement. Stand up to the Nazis and get killed. Go along with the Nazis and live to work against them and everything they stood for.

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I thought Christianity was all about standing up against oppression and laying down your life for others. There is no greater thing you can do - martyrdom. You're exposing the fallacy of your faith my friend.

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Dude, as I've said here many times, I am a lousy Christian. When I go to church, I still check out the ladies. I always check out a lovely gal jogging, at least twice. At this point of my life, my habits are too far ingrained into me,

As for the Germans, there would be no reason for a father of a family to lay down his life so that he might be murdered by the Brownshirts and his family would be left flailing in the wind. Jesus also said to use common sense in his own way, his teachings and actions demonstrate principles that align with the concept of sound judgment and practical wisdom. The Bible, particularly in books like Proverbs, encourages discernment and prudence, which are core components of common sense.

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Your comments make my point by exposing and underscoring the contradictory absurdities, and failures of Christianity.

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That's an opinion poll, not research into which religion is most violent.

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From the start, Christianity was spread through missionary activity at great personal risk by missionaries, like Paul, who generally ended as martyrs. In contrast, Muhammad spread Islam through ruthless conquest and his successors continued that policy for most of the past 1400 years.

With Christianity, violence is not the preferred method of outreach. With Islam it always has been. Naturally, there are plenty of exceptions but the contrasts are real and stark.

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Explain that to the Native Americans. Or the Jews and others during the inquisitions. Or the 'heretical" scientists who presented evidence contrary to established church dogma. Or the Reformation, Crusades etc.

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The German Evangelical Church was the one that helped the Nazis. However it was basically created by the Nazis. Hardly a good way to show that Christians persecuted the Jews. Almost every other church in Germany hated the Nazis. See Deitrich Bonhoffer is you want to know more.

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.

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The plan was to always move against the Catholic Church

Atheism or some kind of revived Germanic paganism was the goal

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Except they were Christians. And the Catholic Church was in part supportive and at best complacent, many helping hide or facilitate the escape of war criminals.]

The highest ranking Nazis were essential atheists or playing with some form of neo-paganism.

The Catholic Church was not supportive of the Nazis in terms of its hieriarcy...."Pope Pius XI and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), publicly criticized Nazi ideology, particularly its racism and totalitarianism, through encyclicals like Mit brennender Sorge" nor its rank and file voters.

Catholic majority areas consistently voted for other parties besides the Nazi party

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The average German identified as being Christian throughout the Third Reich, and Church attendance remained relatively high during the 1930s and early 1940s. Military chaplains served in the Wehrmacht, and Christian burial rites were common for German soldiers. The idea that the Nazi state had completely shed Christian identity is belied by the fact that Nazism thrived in a society that still saw itself culturally and nationally as being Christian. To claim that Nazi Germany was not Christian ignores the reality of how the Germans religious identity was intertwined with the ideology and operations of the Third Reich.

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And you are again confusing average Germans with the Nazi party.

Average Germans were of course overwhelmingly Christian in the 1930s (Europeans all over the continent were).

But the Nazi movement and upper level leadership was a fully modernist political movement that was atheistic/agnostic with strong neo-pagan factions.

And as was shown….Hitler and the leadership planned to move against organized Christianity once the war was won.

Replacing it with modern Scientific-atheism or some kind of revived volkish/Nordic Odin-ism

But average Germans were of course not the Nazi movement….average Germans never even voted for the Nazi party by majorities.

Hitler and the Nazis never even got to 40% of the general German vote before they overthrew the political system

For most of its history the Nazi party only had 8%-13% support levels

[Adolf Hitler's highest percentage of votes in a free and open national election in Germany was approximately 37%…. specifically, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) achieved this percentage in the July 1932 general election. Hitler also received around 36.8% of the vote in the 1932 German presidential election]

It was a minority political movement….further ruled by a small elite of Nazis subordinate to the Fuhrer (supreme leader)

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No, what I'm saying is you fail to recognize that most people living in Germany professed to being Christian, and those same people either outright supported the Nazi movement, or at minimum their complacence allowed the Nazi movement to flourish.

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I have acknowledged that the majority of Germans were Christian

You still think the majority of German Christians supported the Nazis….but of course that is not correct

The Nazis as a party never got more than 37% of the vote…so a full 63% of Germans never even voted for them ever…and did not support them. The Nazis overthrew German democracy and created a dictatorship. (Important fact to remember)

And German Catholics were of course even more opposed to voting for the Nazi party….there was almost no support in the Catholic voting community for their movement.

(By using your logic the majority of Russian orthodox Christians were somehow supporters of the Bolsheviks or complicit….even though in truth they were being ruled over by a dictatorial non-democratic communist movement that they never voted for.)

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Most of those who voted were professing Christians. The Nazi Party could not have survived or functioned unless it were at the very least tacitly supported by Christians. With ~ 95% of Germans professing to be Christian, the Nazi regime could not have risen to power if Christians rose up against it.

Yes. And Russian Orthodox Christians today are going along with the brutal and criminal war on Ukraine. Putin himself professes to be an Orthodox Christian, and has the support of the Orthodox Church. He has even alluded to being directed by God's will.

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The majority of German Christians did not support the Nazis.

Many were executed for their reluctance to get into line.

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Do you really believe the millions of men who filled the ranks of the German Army, or the women who worked in industry, or supported the war effort were not Christians? Almost all Germans were Christians, either Catholic or Protestant.

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The vast majority of German males were drafted into their armed forces.

And evasion could result in immediate execution.

As it was over 50,000 German servicemen were executed during the course of the war.

FWIW Hitler was extremely unpopular in much of Germany……especially in Berlin.

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I don't think it is a particularly good excuse for a predominantly Christian nation. On the other hand, people will abandon what they claim are their convictions when it comes to their perceived personal safety or well being.

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Amusing that your life is so boring that you feel compelled to conjure up such tripe on a free message board.

Meanwhile my wife and I have concluded our 10 day tour of New Hampshire ; resting in preparation of flying to Colorado tomorrow to see out two youngest grandchildren.

Do you or 'cingue' have grandchildren ?

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It's just about removing blinders and drawing attention to reality - a public service.

Cinque, as I recall, was a nice, thoughtful and fair minded Christian person, whom I disagreed with on many political and religious issues. She eventually let the vitriol on this board run her off. Some of you "good Christians" take pleasure in denigrating her at every opportunity.

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Always amuses me when atheists continually mock, insult and judge Christians.

Yet I have never once read a single poster apply your tactics against atheists.

We just have more confidence I guess.

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Go back and read your own posts for enlightenment.