whiterock said:

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ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

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genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.

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This pick weakens Trump.

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How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.

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Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.

It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

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You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.

We do need a DOJ. Unfortunately, the one we have is running amok. It needs a LOT of reform. I don't care if they break tail lights, scratch paint, tear upholstery, etc...... I want a housecleaning so thorough that the survivors are more afraid of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Anything short of that is a systemic failure by the Trump admin.

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The fact you want the Justice department to fear any political party is worrisome. That is the recipe for politicizing law enforcement. How about we be better than the opposition?

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You illustrate the problem, exactly. Republicans always say that - "we should not do what they do...we are better than that." As a result, the bureaucracy fears Democrats, but not Republicans. They cover up, they delay, they refuse to acknowledge problems, they redefine statute to suit political exigencies, etc.....to benefit Democrats.....while subjecting Republicans to unrelenting lawfare. Remember Sen. Stevens from AK? Remember Russia Collusion? When has such ever happened to Democrats? Look how hard DOJ worked to hide Hunters blatant law breaking, while condoning early morning SWAT raids for contrived process crimes by Republicans. With Trump, they took the criminal prosecution route, searching closets of the private residence of a former POTUS over classified documents, rather than making the slightest attempt to resolve the issue in civil court over the limits of presidential powers (which was the actual issue at hand). Meanwhile, fmr Senator Biden, who had no Presidential powers claims at all, is given a pass because he is too senile to be prosecuted successfully (even though he's the sitting POTUS). Such an over-the-top double standard at play.... We've reached the point where no Republican is safe from anything if these kinds of things are allowed to stand.

We either do exactly what the Democrats have done, OR we clean house. I'd prefer the latter - we investigate a couple of those involved in it, and run off all who stood silently by. Just one perp walk will do. We must instill bureaucrats with fear that the GOP will be just as ruthless as the Democrats. Given how far the disequilibrium has gone, it will take a bomb-thrower to do that. Worst thing we could do is appoint another Jeff Sessions, who will go along with the status quo, or Bill Barr, who will limit the nonsense but defend the institution from serious reforms. It just ensures that all the progressive nonsense embedded in the woodwork remains in place to engage in insurgency and worse.

I have a high-school classmate who is a career DOJ prosecutor. Fine human being. Whip smart, principled, conservative, etc..... We eat breakfast a few times a year. The organization is full of guys like that. But the top floor is rotten to the core. Time to clean house. We simply must, for the good of the organization AND the Republic, make sure that future generations of DOJ employees get taught the history about the grief that happens to those who go along with partisan games.

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Teaching a lesson about partisan games by playing partisan games isn't teaching. It's retribution. No one's hands are clean here. I'm old enough to remember the grinder they put Bill Clinton through. Then shut Al Franken out with behavior Trump has been accused of even worse. I don't view any of this as some reformist revolution. It's a race to the bottom, and you guys are using mental origami to justify it.

You want to clean house? Fine. It's after that where the scary stuff happens. You want reform? Stick to the DOJ's purpose instead of playing Game of Thrones.

Recess appointments to evade Senate confirmation were BS when Barack Obama did it and no less so today.

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Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.

He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.

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if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.

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He will do that, this is a burn the place to the ground retribution tour. The question is who does he replace them with? What do they stand for? Blind allegiance to Trump? Recess Appointments? Dick Cheney Halibutyon grift, just with Musk and Vivek? Closed fist salutes when mentioning his name?

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Yep. If you think you need to burn it down, you also need to think about what happens next.

ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

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genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.

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This pick weakens Trump.

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How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.

---

Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.

It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

---

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.

We do need a DOJ. Unfortunately, the one we have is running amok. It needs a LOT of reform. I don't care if they break tail lights, scratch paint, tear upholstery, etc...... I want a housecleaning so thorough that the survivors are more afraid of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Anything short of that is a systemic failure by the Trump admin.

---

The fact you want the Justice department to fear any political party is worrisome. That is the recipe for politicizing law enforcement. How about we be better than the opposition?

---

You illustrate the problem, exactly. Republicans always say that - "we should not do what they do...we are better than that." As a result, the bureaucracy fears Democrats, but not Republicans. They cover up, they delay, they refuse to acknowledge problems, they redefine statute to suit political exigencies, etc.....to benefit Democrats.....while subjecting Republicans to unrelenting lawfare. Remember Sen. Stevens from AK? Remember Russia Collusion? When has such ever happened to Democrats? Look how hard DOJ worked to hide Hunters blatant law breaking, while condoning early morning SWAT raids for contrived process crimes by Republicans. With Trump, they took the criminal prosecution route, searching closets of the private residence of a former POTUS over classified documents, rather than making the slightest attempt to resolve the issue in civil court over the limits of presidential powers (which was the actual issue at hand). Meanwhile, fmr Senator Biden, who had no Presidential powers claims at all, is given a pass because he is too senile to be prosecuted successfully (even though he's the sitting POTUS). Such an over-the-top double standard at play.... We've reached the point where no Republican is safe from anything if these kinds of things are allowed to stand.

We either do exactly what the Democrats have done, OR we clean house. I'd prefer the latter - we investigate a couple of those involved in it, and run off all who stood silently by. Just one perp walk will do. We must instill bureaucrats with fear that the GOP will be just as ruthless as the Democrats. Given how far the disequilibrium has gone, it will take a bomb-thrower to do that. Worst thing we could do is appoint another Jeff Sessions, who will go along with the status quo, or Bill Barr, who will limit the nonsense but defend the institution from serious reforms. It just ensures that all the progressive nonsense embedded in the woodwork remains in place to engage in insurgency and worse.

I have a high-school classmate who is a career DOJ prosecutor. Fine human being. Whip smart, principled, conservative, etc..... We eat breakfast a few times a year. The organization is full of guys like that. But the top floor is rotten to the core. Time to clean house. We simply must, for the good of the organization AND the Republic, make sure that future generations of DOJ employees get taught the history about the grief that happens to those who go along with partisan games.

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Teaching a lesson about partisan games by playing partisan games isn't teaching. It's retribution. No one's hands are clean here. I'm old enough to remember the grinder they put Bill Clinton through. Then shut Al Franken out with behavior Trump has been accused of even worse. I don't view any of this as some reformist revolution. It's a race to the bottom, and you guys are using mental origami to justify it.

You want to clean house? Fine. It's after that where the scary stuff happens. You want reform? Stick to the DOJ's purpose instead of playing Game of Thrones.

---

After all of the sh. It democrats tried to pull…you think both sides are equal in this and racing to the bottom?

It took the Biden admin exactly 2 minutes to issue 46 executive orders to undo everything Donald Trump did to secure the border, fire every Trump appointed member of the DOJ, appoint Matthew Graves to go after J6 protestors, insert DEI, racial quotas and wokeism into every single part of the government and purge the military of anyone who is center right.

They did that within weeks of getting power.

After that, they proceeded to raid the home of a former president, cover up for the crimes of the sitting President and his corrupt son and throw grandmothers praying in front of abortion clinics in prison.

How quickly everybody forgets the outrage when Donald Trump was convicted by a biased jury in a biased jurisdiction by a biased DA, Alvin Bragg after the third most important person in the department of Justice, all of the sudden became a lowly state prosecutor.

Democrats are ruthless, they know how to use power and they know how to abuse power.

I have never advocated that we abuse power.

But the minute Republicans win, they can't wait to go to their K street dinners, lobbyist lunches and do their two min Fox hits.

The epic weakness of Republicans is the reason why they would have never won another election if it had not been for Donald Trump.

So all of the cowards in the Republican Party who want to play pattycake with people who wouldn't hesitate to bankrupt you and throw you in prison, find your damn spine.

Or at least if you can't figure out where your spine is stop trying to take out Donald Trump's.
LINK

Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

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genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.

---

This pick weakens Trump.

---

How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.

---

Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.

It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

---

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.

We do need a DOJ. Unfortunately, the one we have is running amok. It needs a LOT of reform. I don't care if they break tail lights, scratch paint, tear upholstery, etc...... I want a housecleaning so thorough that the survivors are more afraid of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Anything short of that is a systemic failure by the Trump admin.

---

The fact you want the Justice department to fear any political party is worrisome. That is the recipe for politicizing law enforcement. How about we be better than the opposition?

---

You illustrate the problem, exactly. Republicans always say that - "we should not do what they do...we are better than that." As a result, the bureaucracy fears Democrats, but not Republicans. They cover up, they delay, they refuse to acknowledge problems, they redefine statute to suit political exigencies, etc.....to benefit Democrats.....while subjecting Republicans to unrelenting lawfare. Remember Sen. Stevens from AK? Remember Russia Collusion? When has such ever happened to Democrats? Look how hard DOJ worked to hide Hunters blatant law breaking, while condoning early morning SWAT raids for contrived process crimes by Republicans. With Trump, they took the criminal prosecution route, searching closets of the private residence of a former POTUS over classified documents, rather than making the slightest attempt to resolve the issue in civil court over the limits of presidential powers (which was the actual issue at hand). Meanwhile, fmr Senator Biden, who had no Presidential powers claims at all, is given a pass because he is too senile to be prosecuted successfully (even though he's the sitting POTUS). Such an over-the-top double standard at play.... We've reached the point where no Republican is safe from anything if these kinds of things are allowed to stand.

We either do exactly what the Democrats have done, OR we clean house. I'd prefer the latter - we investigate a couple of those involved in it, and run off all who stood silently by. Just one perp walk will do. We must instill bureaucrats with fear that the GOP will be just as ruthless as the Democrats. Given how far the disequilibrium has gone, it will take a bomb-thrower to do that. Worst thing we could do is appoint another Jeff Sessions, who will go along with the status quo, or Bill Barr, who will limit the nonsense but defend the institution from serious reforms. It just ensures that all the progressive nonsense embedded in the woodwork remains in place to engage in insurgency and worse.

I have a high-school classmate who is a career DOJ prosecutor. Fine human being. Whip smart, principled, conservative, etc..... We eat breakfast a few times a year. The organization is full of guys like that. But the top floor is rotten to the core. Time to clean house. We simply must, for the good of the organization AND the Republic, make sure that future generations of DOJ employees get taught the history about the grief that happens to those who go along with partisan games.

---

Teaching a lesson about partisan games by playing partisan games isn't teaching. It's retribution. No one's hands are clean here. I'm old enough to remember the grinder they put Bill Clinton through. Then shut Al Franken out with behavior Trump has been accused of even worse. I don't view any of this as some reformist revolution. It's a race to the bottom, and you guys are using mental origami to justify it.

You want to clean house? Fine. It's after that where the scary stuff happens. You want reform? Stick to the DOJ's purpose instead of playing Game of Thrones.

---

After all of the sh. It democrats tried to pull…you think both sides are equal in this and racing to the bottom?

It took the Biden admin exactly 2 minutes to issue 46 executive orders to undo everything Donald Trump did to secure the border, fire every Trump appointed member of the DOJ, appoint Matthew Graves to go after J6 protestors, insert DEI, racial quotas and wokeism into every single part of the government and purge the military of anyone who is center right.

They did that within weeks of getting power.

After that, they proceeded to raid the home of a former president, cover up for the crimes of the sitting President and his corrupt son and throw grandmothers praying in front of abortion clinics in prison.

How quickly everybody forgets the outrage when Donald Trump was convicted by a biased jury in a biased jurisdiction by a biased DA, Alvin Bragg after the third most important person in the department of Justice, all of the sudden became a lowly state prosecutor.

Democrats are ruthless, they know how to use power and they know how to abuse power.

I have never advocated that we abuse power.

But the minute Republicans win, they can't wait to go to their K street dinners, lobbyist lunches and do their two min Fox hits.

The epic weakness of Republicans is the reason why they would have never won another election if it had not been for Donald Trump.

So all of the cowards in the Republican Party who want to play pattycake with people who wouldn't hesitate to bankrupt you and throw you in prison, find your damn spine.

Or at least if you can't figure out where your spine is stop trying to take out Donald Trump's.
LINK

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When Trump came into office he did the same thing to Obama era policies. It's a political right of passage when a new party comes into power.

And you can build all the hobgoblins you want, but Trump did and will do again the exact same changes of personnel. But that's not what we're talking about here. You want revenge. It's seething through your post. Say coward all you want, but the real courage is in building the institutions back up to what they were intended for, not swapping names and continuing down the same path. Emotionalism is not an effective governing strategy.

The Senate's power to approve or reject a president's nominees for Cabinet positions is a fundamental feature of the Constitution's system of checks and balances. As Alexander Hamilton explained in the Federalist Papers, that power "would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters," including those "who had no other merit than that … of possessing the necessary insignificance and pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of [the president's] pleasure."

ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

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genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.

---

This pick weakens Trump.

---

How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.

---

Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.

It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

---

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.

We do need a DOJ. Unfortunately, the one we have is running amok. It needs a LOT of reform. I don't care if they break tail lights, scratch paint, tear upholstery, etc...... I want a housecleaning so thorough that the survivors are more afraid of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Anything short of that is a systemic failure by the Trump admin.

---

The fact you want the Justice department to fear any political party is worrisome. That is the recipe for politicizing law enforcement. How about we be better than the opposition?

---

You illustrate the problem, exactly. Republicans always say that - "we should not do what they do...we are better than that." As a result, the bureaucracy fears Democrats, but not Republicans. They cover up, they delay, they refuse to acknowledge problems, they redefine statute to suit political exigencies, etc.....to benefit Democrats.....while subjecting Republicans to unrelenting lawfare. Remember Sen. Stevens from AK? Remember Russia Collusion? When has such ever happened to Democrats? Look how hard DOJ worked to hide Hunters blatant law breaking, while condoning early morning SWAT raids for contrived process crimes by Republicans. With Trump, they took the criminal prosecution route, searching closets of the private residence of a former POTUS over classified documents, rather than making the slightest attempt to resolve the issue in civil court over the limits of presidential powers (which was the actual issue at hand). Meanwhile, fmr Senator Biden, who had no Presidential powers claims at all, is given a pass because he is too senile to be prosecuted successfully (even though he's the sitting POTUS). Such an over-the-top double standard at play.... We've reached the point where no Republican is safe from anything if these kinds of things are allowed to stand.

We either do exactly what the Democrats have done, OR we clean house. I'd prefer the latter - we investigate a couple of those involved in it, and run off all who stood silently by. Just one perp walk will do. We must instill bureaucrats with fear that the GOP will be just as ruthless as the Democrats. Given how far the disequilibrium has gone, it will take a bomb-thrower to do that. Worst thing we could do is appoint another Jeff Sessions, who will go along with the status quo, or Bill Barr, who will limit the nonsense but defend the institution from serious reforms. It just ensures that all the progressive nonsense embedded in the woodwork remains in place to engage in insurgency and worse.

I have a high-school classmate who is a career DOJ prosecutor. Fine human being. Whip smart, principled, conservative, etc..... We eat breakfast a few times a year. The organization is full of guys like that. But the top floor is rotten to the core. Time to clean house. We simply must, for the good of the organization AND the Republic, make sure that future generations of DOJ employees get taught the history about the grief that happens to those who go along with partisan games.

---

Teaching a lesson about partisan games by playing partisan games isn't teaching. It's retribution. No one's hands are clean here. I'm old enough to remember the grinder they put Bill Clinton through. Then shut Al Franken out with behavior Trump has been accused of even worse. I don't view any of this as some reformist revolution. It's a race to the bottom, and you guys are using mental origami to justify it.

You want to clean house? Fine. It's after that where the scary stuff happens. You want reform? Stick to the DOJ's purpose instead of playing Game of Thrones.

---

After all of the sh. It democrats tried to pull…you think both sides are equal in this and racing to the bottom?

It took the Biden admin exactly 2 minutes to issue 46 executive orders to undo everything Donald Trump did to secure the border, fire every Trump appointed member of the DOJ, appoint Matthew Graves to go after J6 protestors, insert DEI, racial quotas and wokeism into every single part of the government and purge the military of anyone who is center right.

They did that within weeks of getting power.

After that, they proceeded to raid the home of a former president, cover up for the crimes of the sitting President and his corrupt son and throw grandmothers praying in front of abortion clinics in prison.

How quickly everybody forgets the outrage when Donald Trump was convicted by a biased jury in a biased jurisdiction by a biased DA, Alvin Bragg after the third most important person in the department of Justice, all of the sudden became a lowly state prosecutor.

Democrats are ruthless, they know how to use power and they know how to abuse power.

I have never advocated that we abuse power.

But the minute Republicans win, they can't wait to go to their K street dinners, lobbyist lunches and do their two min Fox hits.

The epic weakness of Republicans is the reason why they would have never won another election if it had not been for Donald Trump.

So all of the cowards in the Republican Party who want to play pattycake with people who wouldn't hesitate to bankrupt you and throw you in prison, find your damn spine.

Or at least if you can't figure out where your spine is stop trying to take out Donald Trump's.
LINK

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When Trump came into office he did the same thing to Obama era policies. It's a political right of passage when a new party comes into power.

And you can build all the hobgoblins you want, but Trump did and will do again the exact same changes of personnel. But that's not what we're talking about here. You want revenge. It's seething through your post. Say coward all you want, but the real courage is in building the institutions back up to what they were intended for, not swapping names and continuing down the same path. Emotionalism is not an effective governing strategy.

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This is the crap we are talking about. If you don't agree with everything Donald says you are trying to take him out? He is asking Congress to go in to recess or worse ordering them into recess to pass appointees, never done before. We are talking Gaetz as AG! A guy under a bi-partisan ethics investigation. This guy is not remotely qualified, but is loyal and will do what Donald wants no questions.

We question these items and are "trying to take down Trump". That is the scary part of this discussion. The Biden Crime Family is being replaced by the Trump Mafia. That will bring stability and justice to the Nation, at least one Mussolini would approve.

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ATL Bear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

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genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.

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This pick weakens Trump.

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How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.

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Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.

It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

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You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.

We do need a DOJ. Unfortunately, the one we have is running amok. It needs a LOT of reform. I don't care if they break tail lights, scratch paint, tear upholstery, etc...... I want a housecleaning so thorough that the survivors are more afraid of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Anything short of that is a systemic failure by the Trump admin.

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The fact you want the Justice department to fear any political party is worrisome. That is the recipe for politicizing law enforcement. How about we be better than the opposition?

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You illustrate the problem, exactly. Republicans always say that - "we should not do what they do...we are better than that." As a result, the bureaucracy fears Democrats, but not Republicans. They cover up, they delay, they refuse to acknowledge problems, they redefine statute to suit political exigencies, etc.....to benefit Democrats.....while subjecting Republicans to unrelenting lawfare. Remember Sen. Stevens from AK? Remember Russia Collusion? When has such ever happened to Democrats? Look how hard DOJ worked to hide Hunters blatant law breaking, while condoning early morning SWAT raids for contrived process crimes by Republicans. With Trump, they took the criminal prosecution route, searching closets of the private residence of a former POTUS over classified documents, rather than making the slightest attempt to resolve the issue in civil court over the limits of presidential powers (which was the actual issue at hand). Meanwhile, fmr Senator Biden, who had no Presidential powers claims at all, is given a pass because he is too senile to be prosecuted successfully (even though he's the sitting POTUS). Such an over-the-top double standard at play.... We've reached the point where no Republican is safe from anything if these kinds of things are allowed to stand.

We either do exactly what the Democrats have done, OR we clean house. I'd prefer the latter - we investigate a couple of those involved in it, and run off all who stood silently by. Just one perp walk will do. We must instill bureaucrats with fear that the GOP will be just as ruthless as the Democrats. Given how far the disequilibrium has gone, it will take a bomb-thrower to do that. Worst thing we could do is appoint another Jeff Sessions, who will go along with the status quo, or Bill Barr, who will limit the nonsense but defend the institution from serious reforms. It just ensures that all the progressive nonsense embedded in the woodwork remains in place to engage in insurgency and worse.

I have a high-school classmate who is a career DOJ prosecutor. Fine human being. Whip smart, principled, conservative, etc..... We eat breakfast a few times a year. The organization is full of guys like that. But the top floor is rotten to the core. Time to clean house. We simply must, for the good of the organization AND the Republic, make sure that future generations of DOJ employees get taught the history about the grief that happens to those who go along with partisan games.

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Teaching a lesson about partisan games by playing partisan games isn't teaching. It's retribution. No one's hands are clean here. I'm old enough to remember the grinder they put Bill Clinton through. Then shut Al Franken out with behavior Trump has been accused of even worse. I don't view any of this as some reformist revolution. It's a race to the bottom, and you guys are using mental origami to justify it.

You want to clean house? Fine. It's after that where the scary stuff happens. You want reform? Stick to the DOJ's purpose instead of playing Game of Thrones.

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Well, Clinton actually DID do worse, on so many things. And nobody is trying to cancel him with jail time.

The problem with your GOT reference is.....Dems actually are playing GOT. GOP has got to respond accordingly. There's got to be a perp walk or two or the swamp wins. It starts with investigations. Then you pick a couple of the worst offenders and put their heads on spikes (proverbially speaking). That changes calculations. It makes bureaucrats who do not agree with a policy grit their teeth and execute on it rather than working as insurgents to stop it.

Bureaucrats must respect both sides of the partisan divide equally, or the system is out of balance. It's pretty clear we are not at that place. It was open season on Trump first go around. Comey bragged on TV how they set up Flynn. and the FISA warrants. and the MAL raid. So much evidence that the administrative state is out of control, that the federal bureaucracy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC. That cannot be allowed to stand.



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The Senate's power to approve or reject a president's nominees for Cabinet positions is a fundamental feature of the Constitution's system of checks and balances. As Alexander Hamilton explained in the Federalist Papers, that power "would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters," including those "who had no other merit than that … of possessing the necessary insignificance and pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of [the president's] pleasure."

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so the hundred plus recess appointments that Bush and Obama did was met with the same outrage or no?

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The Senate's power to approve or reject a president's nominees for Cabinet positions is a fundamental feature of the Constitution's system of checks and balances. As Alexander Hamilton explained in the Federalist Papers, that power "would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters," including those "who had no other merit than that … of possessing the necessary insignificance and pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of [the president's] pleasure."

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so the hundred plus recess appointments that Bush and Obama did was met with the same outrage or no?

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No. Trump is talking about adjourning congress to make his appointments. This has never been done in the history of the Republic. It would mean litigation all the way to the S Ct, taking a year or longer & dissipating any momentum & energy from the election. Dems would love it. All Trump nominees would be unable to assume their positions during the litigation

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The Senate's power to approve or reject a president's nominees for Cabinet positions is a fundamental feature of the Constitution's system of checks and balances. As Alexander Hamilton explained in the Federalist Papers, that power "would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters," including those "who had no other merit than that … of possessing the necessary insignificance and pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of [the president's] pleasure."

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so the hundred plus recess appointments that Bush and Obama did was met with the same outrage or no?

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No. Trump is talking about adjourning congress to make his appointments. This has never been done in the history of the Republic. It would mean litigation all the way to the S Ct, taking a year or longer & dissipating any momentum & energy from the election. Dems would love it. All Trump nominees would be unable to assume their positions during the litigation

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Maybe not adjourning congress but recess appointments are not uncommon...especially when facing a hostile partisan Congress trying to thwart a popular President.

[ In 1831, during a nine-month period in which Congress did not meet, Andrew Jackson appointed Martin Van Buren as ambassador to Great Britain. The Senate had previously rejected many of Jackson's appointments, and when it began a new session, it rejected Buren's nominationthis time with Jackson's own vice president, John C. Calhoun, casting the deciding "no" vote (Jackson responded by dropping Calhoun as his running mate in his reelection and replacing him with Van Buren).]

But a real question has to be asked how much a dysfunctional Congress should be allowed to hold up the proper functioning of the Executive Branch.

[In addition, recess appointmentsas well as the definition of what counts as a "recess"have become more politically charged. Since the mid-2000s, senators have tried to block presidents from making recess appointments by sending a senator to an empty chamber every three days during recesses to bang a gavel, thus carving up the period of time the Senate is technically in recess, reports The New York Times.
The Supreme Court has upheld this method of shortening recesses. In January 2012, in response to the Senate refusing to hold hearings on President Barack Obama's nominations, Obama appointed three people to the National Labor Relations Board during a congressional recess.
In 2014, the Supreme Court upheld the legality of recess appointments in its ruling for National Labor Relations Board v. Noel Canning. However, the court ruled that Obama's three appointments did not count as recess appointments because the recess in question lasted for fewer than 10 days.
During President Donald Trump's first term, senators continued to use the same method to block recess appointments. In April 2020, Trump threatened to force Congress to adjourn if the Senate did not approve his nominations, so that he could make recess appointments. Following his election in November 2024, Trump declared his intention to make recess appointments when he takes office]

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The Senate's power to approve or reject a president's nominees for Cabinet positions is a fundamental feature of the Constitution's system of checks and balances. As Alexander Hamilton explained in the Federalist Papers, that power "would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters," including those "who had no other merit than that … of possessing the necessary insignificance and pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of [the president's] pleasure."

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so the hundred plus recess appointments that Bush and Obama did was met with the same outrage or no?

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No. Trump is talking about adjourning congress to make his appointments. This has never been done in the history of the Republic. It would mean litigation all the way to the S Ct, taking a year or longer & dissipating any momentum & energy from the election. Dems would love it. All Trump nominees would be unable to assume their positions during the litigation

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Maybe....maybe not

But lets step back for second and remember that on just about every political prognostication for several years you have been flat out wrong.

If I were a betting man....I would bet on this not backfiring on Trump...and you being wrong again.

It is disturbing that so many posters are calling for all Trump's picks to be rammed through, the more retribution the better, and the more damage to the department the better. Wanting Senators to annoint them all or recess. Basically wanting the government to step aside and ket Trump do what he wants.

I'd like to just blame poor educations. Maybe these people have no clue?

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Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

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genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.

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This pick weakens Trump.

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How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.

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Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.

It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

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You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.

We do need a DOJ. Unfortunately, the one we have is running amok. It needs a LOT of reform. I don't care if they break tail lights, scratch paint, tear upholstery, etc...... I want a housecleaning so thorough that the survivors are more afraid of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Anything short of that is a systemic failure by the Trump admin.

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The fact you want the Justice department to fear any political party is worrisome. That is the recipe for politicizing law enforcement. How about we be better than the opposition?

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You illustrate the problem, exactly. Republicans always say that - "we should not do what they do...we are better than that." As a result, the bureaucracy fears Democrats, but not Republicans. They cover up, they delay, they refuse to acknowledge problems, they redefine statute to suit political exigencies, etc.....to benefit Democrats.....while subjecting Republicans to unrelenting lawfare. Remember Sen. Stevens from AK? Remember Russia Collusion? When has such ever happened to Democrats? Look how hard DOJ worked to hide Hunters blatant law breaking, while condoning early morning SWAT raids for contrived process crimes by Republicans. With Trump, they took the criminal prosecution route, searching closets of the private residence of a former POTUS over classified documents, rather than making the slightest attempt to resolve the issue in civil court over the limits of presidential powers (which was the actual issue at hand). Meanwhile, fmr Senator Biden, who had no Presidential powers claims at all, is given a pass because he is too senile to be prosecuted successfully (even though he's the sitting POTUS). Such an over-the-top double standard at play.... We've reached the point where no Republican is safe from anything if these kinds of things are allowed to stand.

We either do exactly what the Democrats have done, OR we clean house. I'd prefer the latter - we investigate a couple of those involved in it, and run off all who stood silently by. Just one perp walk will do. We must instill bureaucrats with fear that the GOP will be just as ruthless as the Democrats. Given how far the disequilibrium has gone, it will take a bomb-thrower to do that. Worst thing we could do is appoint another Jeff Sessions, who will go along with the status quo, or Bill Barr, who will limit the nonsense but defend the institution from serious reforms. It just ensures that all the progressive nonsense embedded in the woodwork remains in place to engage in insurgency and worse.

I have a high-school classmate who is a career DOJ prosecutor. Fine human being. Whip smart, principled, conservative, etc..... We eat breakfast a few times a year. The organization is full of guys like that. But the top floor is rotten to the core. Time to clean house. We simply must, for the good of the organization AND the Republic, make sure that future generations of DOJ employees get taught the history about the grief that happens to those who go along with partisan games.

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Teaching a lesson about partisan games by playing partisan games isn't teaching. It's retribution. No one's hands are clean here. I'm old enough to remember the grinder they put Bill Clinton through. Then shut Al Franken out with behavior Trump has been accused of even worse. I don't view any of this as some reformist revolution. It's a race to the bottom, and you guys are using mental origami to justify it.

You want to clean house? Fine. It's after that where the scary stuff happens. You want reform? Stick to the DOJ's purpose instead of playing Game of Thrones.

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After all of the sh. It democrats tried to pull…you think both sides are equal in this and racing to the bottom?

It took the Biden admin exactly 2 minutes to issue 46 executive orders to undo everything Donald Trump did to secure the border, fire every Trump appointed member of the DOJ, appoint Matthew Graves to go after J6 protestors, insert DEI, racial quotas and wokeism into every single part of the government and purge the military of anyone who is center right.

They did that within weeks of getting power.

After that, they proceeded to raid the home of a former president, cover up for the crimes of the sitting President and his corrupt son and throw grandmothers praying in front of abortion clinics in prison.

How quickly everybody forgets the outrage when Donald Trump was convicted by a biased jury in a biased jurisdiction by a biased DA, Alvin Bragg after the third most important person in the department of Justice, all of the sudden became a lowly state prosecutor.

Democrats are ruthless, they know how to use power and they know how to abuse power.

I have never advocated that we abuse power.

But the minute Republicans win, they can't wait to go to their K street dinners, lobbyist lunches and do their two min Fox hits.

The epic weakness of Republicans is the reason why they would have never won another election if it had not been for Donald Trump.

So all of the cowards in the Republican Party who want to play pattycake with people who wouldn't hesitate to bankrupt you and throw you in prison, find your damn spine.

Or at least if you can't figure out where your spine is stop trying to take out Donald Trump's.
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When Trump came into office he did the same thing to Obama era policies. It's a political right of passage when a new party comes into power.

And you can build all the hobgoblins you want, but Trump did and will do again the exact same changes of personnel. But that's not what we're talking about here. You want revenge. It's seething through your post. Say coward all you want, but the real courage is in building the institutions back up to what they were intended for, not swapping names and continuing down the same path. Emotionalism is not an effective governing strategy.

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Of course I want revenge, I hate these people and they've broken the law numerous times.

The ONLY way to restore our institutions is to expose corruption and bring forth justice. If we do this, they won't try to abuse the system again.

You seem to think I want Trump and his team to go after people without justification. That's not true. I want them to expose the corruption and prove with hard intel/data. Neocons won't pursue that. They're also corrupt. We're handcuffed here.

You've seen Democrats abuse the system and GOP do nothing about it....and you think we should just keep doing the same neocon bs where we just ignore it and pretend like we're restoring the system?

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It is disturbing that so many posters are calling for all Trump's picks to be rammed through, the more retribution the better, and the more damage to the department the better. Wanting Senators to annoint them all or recess. Basically wanting the government to step aside and ket Trump do what he wants.

I'd like to just blame poor educations. Maybe these people have no clue?

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personally, I like throwing a grenade in the conversation and see what happens

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It is disturbing that so many posters are calling for all Trump's picks to be rammed through, the more retribution the better, and the more damage to the department the better. Wanting Senators to annoint them all or recess. Basically wanting the government to step aside and ket Trump do what he wants.

I'd like to just blame poor educations. Maybe these people have no clue?

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The regime is no longer concerned with legitimacy. Raw power is all they need, they had it, they used it.

It didn't have to be this way. In 2016 he won and didn't use power. Evil doers had no need to fear retribution. The strong do as they will, the weak suffer what they must.

There can't be unity or forgiveness when one side wanted to destroy their opposition and got stopped. They'll do it again. Must be retribution and punishment.

Retribution is justice. It's exposing corruption and bringing the down the hammer. Why are you against that?

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It is disturbing that so many posters are calling for all Trump's picks to be rammed through, the more retribution the better, and the more damage to the department the better.

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How do you know Trump's picks would be destructive and cause "damage"?

I mean I know you love the Federal Super State as it is....inefficiency, incompetence, wastefulness, and one party Liberal staffed and all....but millions of Americans are voting for reform


*Another question would be if the factions of stagnation, bureaucracy, and reactionary DC insider power should be allowed to thwart the popularly elected President and the American voters in putting people into the Executive Branch that will help the Chief Executive carry out his plans for reform

LMAO at some on this board. It's apparently OK for Biden (well really his team) to act like dictator. But the thought of trump maybe behaving in a similar manner and they are ready to run through the streets ripping their clothes and lighting themselves on fire. You all have been watching MSNBC too long.

Let me remind you that Trumps first team contained loads of backstabbers, leakers and liars. Those that were truly america first were arrested, harassed and bankrupted.

People in DC that have not done anything wrong have nothing to fear right?

He should be able to put people he trusts as his advisors and management team.