Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
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Didnt Gowdy want that job?boognish_bear said:Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
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Lol
Assassin said:Seems to me that you are worried about us using Vaseline for Trump. But you should be worrying as in your case, he's not using any Vaseline. Gonna be a rough go. For four years. Prep the Preparation H...FLBear5630 said:Us/we? I would bet everyone on here voted Trump. The difference seems to be whether you you like your Vaseline or want to make sure he follows the rules. You seem to like the Vaseline. Don't worry if we let him, he will give it us ...Married A Horn said:FLBear5630 said:You really think that forcing his picks in is going to get you where you want to go? Using Recess Appointments and sending Congress home is going to move the agenda forward? Geez, have a lot of experience getting things done huh? You keep your Vaseline and other accompaniments,Married A Horn said:FLBear5630 said:Trump won. He is in a position of strength now. He is eroding that strength with these picks. This does not even look like a serious attempt to govern. It looks like a F-you, I am king. You do what I say or else.Osodecentx said:System working as intended:Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Once again, you are giving Donald a pass because you like him.Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:It can't be at the cost of the foundations of our Nation. You don't get justice by being unjust and putting aside the processes of our government.Doc Holliday said:The regime is no longer concerned with legitimacy. Raw power is all they need, they had it, they used it.Porteroso said:
It is disturbing that so many posters are calling for all Trump's picks to be rammed through, the more retribution the better, and the more damage to the department the better. Wanting Senators to annoint them all or recess. Basically wanting the government to step aside and ket Trump do what he wants.
I'd like to just blame poor educations. Maybe these people have no clue?
It didn't have to be this way. In 2016 he won and didn't use power. Evil doers had no need to fear retribution. The strong do as they will, the weak suffer what they must.
There can't be unity or forgiveness when one side wanted to destroy their opposition and got stopped. They'll do it again. Must be retribution and punishment.
Retribution is justice. It's exposing corruption and bringing the down the hammer. Why are you against that?
If so, you are no different than the Dems, ANTIFA and others, just different ideology.
Again you are freaking out in a manner disproportionate to the issue at hand
(and I notice how you freak out far more about Trump and the Right than you ever did about Obama/Biden and the Left)
The "foundations of our Nation" are not at stake.
This is about the Constitutionally elected Executive Branch being able to get the people it wants into roles that are under the purview of the Executive Branch.....against a often obstructionist/do nothing Congress.
That is a classic separation of powers issue and a classic low stakes struggle that has been going on in the government since the time of Washington
[Presidents since George Washington have made recess appointments. Washington appointed South Carolina judge John Rutledge as Chief Justice of the United States during a congressional recess in 1795.]
This is NOT a recess appointment.
But it is a recess appointment....using a novel approach to get there....one that you don't like and are freaking out about.
One that has not even happened yet I might add.
So again read my post above...the one you obviously did not read.
[Separation of Powers in action! The Constitution in action!
Congress tries to stonewall the Executive and keep it from picking who it wants. The Executive then tries out a novel approach to get its roles filled. The Supreme Court weighs in and tells us if its Constitutional.
System working as intended.
Everyone is happy!
(*other than the fake conservatives....)]
Trump can afford to lose the support of no more than three GOP senators on his most contentious picks, assuming all Democrats are opposed, in a chamber that will be split 53-47 in the new Congress. People familiar with discussions among Senate Republicans said that far more than three of them are prepared to vote no if the matter comes to a vote, and some said there was already talk of trying to convince Trump to pull Gaetz, or get Gaetz to voluntarily withdraw his name.
Cramer said he didn't think Gaetz would have the votes to be approved by the Judiciary Committee, much less to be confirmed by the full Senate.
One person familiar with the conversations among Republican senators said "significantly more than four" of them are opposed, which would be enough to tank Gaetz's chances. "People are pissed," the person said.
Other estimates ranged from more than a dozen Republican "no" votes to more than 30. "It won't even be close," another person said.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/gaetz-nomination-seen-as-doomed-by-some-senate-republicans-bc594ae8?mod=hp_lead_pos5
He is going to create the same dynamic as last time. Unless you guys think he is strong enough to take on the Dems, GOP, Courts and States?
We elected him to send a big F-you to the left extremists. We did not elect him to make a bunch of cabinet picks you would approve of.
Get your vaseline ready.
I am good just watching Trump self destruct, I don't need to take part. You have fun. Shame, thought he would actually get some stuff done. He is not even going to make inauguration this time before alienating Congress and stalling out!
Yall dont get it... the more yall b***h the more we love it. Whatever you are suggesting WE do - it is a massive signal for us to do the exact opposite.
As long as he goes through the processes, I am good. I voted for him 3times. He starts wanting to circumvent, I am not. Nominate who you want, Senate confirm, do your F-ing job... Simple as that.
I didn't bring up Vaseline. Eat enough fiber, prep h not necessary.
Assassin said:Didnt Gowdy want that job?boognish_bear said:Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
— Acyn (@Acyn) November 15, 2024
He wouldn't bend the knee
What has gowdy ever done? He's the equivalent of classic republican strongly worded letter. I would have been really disappointed if he got AG. He would do absolutely nothing to fix the weaponization of the DOJ / FBI
I don't know why Trump picked Gaetz, but I do recall how many people were sure he was an idiot for making Vance his VP, and see how that turned out ...
I like Republicans who are willing to fight the Uniparty.Osodecentx said:Assassin said:Didnt Gowdy want that job?boognish_bear said:Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
— Acyn (@Acyn) November 15, 2024
He wouldn't bend the knee
Democrats have forgotten a very important lesson - line of sight is reciprocal....anything you to do your opponent while in power, your opponent can do to you while in power. So be careful what you do to your opponent, because eventually you are going to lose an election and your opponent is going to be in position to return favors. That was the most alarming thing about what Democrats have done to Trump & his supporters - their disregard for the risk of reciprocity was so profound it suggested they PLANNED to never lose another election.FLBear5630 said:As I said, Gaetz is a throwaway as AG. The current nominee for Dep AG will get AG, which would have raised a stink if he was the original as he is Trump's personal Attorney. But, he is better than Gaetz. Tulsi may be in that deal as well, since Gaetz is such a big turd as AG he may get 2 for 1...whiterock said:Nobody is trying to avoid a hearing. Rather, the incoming Admin and the Senate are sparring over power. Gaetz is the kind of selection that few Senators could reasonably be expected to recommend for appointment. Disruptors are always controversial. Elon Musk will likely be regarded as the Henry Ford of his time in the business realm, but it's instructive that he became such a lightning rod when he got into politics - if you are effective, you will be attacked to make you less so. Nobody would care about Gaetz's partying if he was getting along to go along.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:I know a really solid dude right here in Waco that would be deserving of a promotion.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.OsoCoreyell said:
Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.
He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
He will do that, this is a burn the place to the ground retribution tour. The question is who does he replace them with? What do they stand for? Blind allegiance to Trump? Recess Appointments? Dick Cheney Halibutyon grift, just with Musk and Vivek? Closed fist salutes when mentioning his name?
There is no shortage of good people. There is mostly a shortage of accountability.
Agree, there are really good people. You don't get accountability, by skipping accountability. You don't get it, requiring or forcing recess Appointments. I want to hear them answer the questions, that is the Senates job.
From stories in my feed this morning, looks like Thune is signaling that he will facilitate rather than frustrate efforts to get Trump's picks and that's a good sign. Trump won a clear mandate to govern, and implicit in that are getting people appointed who will implement his agenda......one way or the other. The Senate can either confirm Gaetz, or Trump will make him a recess appointment. That's the way the process is supposed to work.
Gaetz just won re-election. One would think any outstanding dirt on him would have already been thrown, so I counsel to be skeptical of new, improved outrages.
possible.
Don't kid yourself, Gaetz resigned because the House hearing would have been devastating and caused Trump a lot of heartburn.
also possible there is nothing new there we don't already know. (that's the safe bet.)
Senate is not going to roll over.
For sure.
Hey, I get it. Well played by Trump if he gets his Attorney as AG. DC is gamesmanship. What I can't get are the "heel-lickers" that anything Trump does it right.
LOL what about the "heel biters" who savage everything he does?
Gaetz as AG, recess appointment? Really, the guy is being investigated for sex trafficking and drugs. Disrupter? That is probably as giving the guy the biggest benefit of the doubt in US history.
A majority of the public is no longer persuaded by that argument. A majority of the public believes "investigations" have been weaponized by Democrats for partisan purposes. And they are correct. It's right there in plain view - the process IS the punishment.
Just give Donald whatever he wants??
That was basically the historical standard. Rejection happened 11 times before Bill Clinton. Since then, it's gone crazy. Normally, you are a voice for putting aside the fighting and getting down to cooperation. Why not start now? Let Trump have his picks. Evaluate the outcomes. If there is abuse, impeach. It's not like Democrats are loathe to do that. They'd be willing to impeach Donald J. Trump for throwing empty diet Coke cans in the trash rather than recycle bin.
No questions or you are a Lib Dem? Or worse, we will come after you? Didn't we just complain about this for 4 years?
Exactly. Who better to end the practice than someone who has been victimized by it? How are we to generate disincentive for Democrats abusing not just processes but entire agencies if we do not punish those who broke laws doing so?
Who is going to be Trump's Jean-Pierre? I get Musk, he has shifted paradigms and is a visionary. Vivek? The guy is a punk IPO Snake Oil Salesmen, he took failed drugs repackaged and sold before trials were done. Great guy...
The premise of your position on this is that the system is NOT broken. I disagree. It is wildly, careening out of control biased, and not just against Republicans. Against dissent. Against lack of enthusiasm. Even against failure to stay on script, to "stay in your lane." Elon Musk launches a bid to buy Twitter? The administrative state launches multiple investigations of his investments, his companies, etc.... Shocking. THAT'S why he endorsed Trump. He sees the problem, because he's been victimized by it. Smiles and soft words are not going to fix that. Time for reform is now. And it was definitely on the ballot in the election. The voters want it. They should get it. So let's wait until there is an actual misstep/overstep before we step in to moderate, rather than foreclose the possibility of serious reforms by insisting that we exclude all reformers from the process.
I'm not arguing for a pogrom. I'm arguing for selecting out a handful of the most egregious examples and letting them be punished by process. I'd also argue for a ton of pardons. For people on both sides of the aisle. I suspect Trump will do that. It'd certainly be smart....to counter-balance the accountability side of the equation.
I like Gowdy, but he is an institutionalist who could not reasonably be expected to tear new apertures in the anatomy of DOJ. (which is what is needed).Oldbear83 said:I like Republicans who are willing to fight the Uniparty.Osodecentx said:Assassin said:Didnt Gowdy want that job?boognish_bear said:Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
— Acyn (@Acyn) November 15, 2024
He wouldn't bend the knee
whiterock said:I like Gowdy, but he is an institutionalist who could not reasonably be expected to tear new apertures in the anatomy of DOJ. (which is what is needed).Oldbear83 said:I like Republicans who are willing to fight the Uniparty.Osodecentx said:Assassin said:Didnt Gowdy want that job?boognish_bear said:Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
— Acyn (@Acyn) November 15, 2024
He wouldn't bend the knee
Gowdy (Baylor guy) also came out and basically said "well DC is corrupt so I am leaving"
I mean ok
Not sure how that helps regular Americans when a good guy like Gowdy just gives up and goes home
No, my position is that it doesn't matter if it is broken. It is the environment that Trump has to navigate. Congress is not an optional feature and he has to work with them or he is back into 2019.whiterock said:Democrats have forgotten a very important lesson - line of sight is reciprocal....anything you to do your opponent while in power, your opponent can do to you while in power. So be careful what you do to your opponent, because eventually you are going to lose an election and your opponent is going to be in position to return favors. That was the most alarming thing about what Democrats have done to Trump & his supporters - their disregard for the risk of reciprocity was so profound it suggested they PLANNED to never lose another election.FLBear5630 said:As I said, Gaetz is a throwaway as AG. The current nominee for Dep AG will get AG, which would have raised a stink if he was the original as he is Trump's personal Attorney. But, he is better than Gaetz. Tulsi may be in that deal as well, since Gaetz is such a big turd as AG he may get 2 for 1...whiterock said:Nobody is trying to avoid a hearing. Rather, the incoming Admin and the Senate are sparring over power. Gaetz is the kind of selection that few Senators could reasonably be expected to recommend for appointment. Disruptors are always controversial. Elon Musk will likely be regarded as the Henry Ford of his time in the business realm, but it's instructive that he became such a lightning rod when he got into politics - if you are effective, you will be attacked to make you less so. Nobody would care about Gaetz's partying if he was getting along to go along.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:I know a really solid dude right here in Waco that would be deserving of a promotion.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.OsoCoreyell said:
Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.
He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
He will do that, this is a burn the place to the ground retribution tour. The question is who does he replace them with? What do they stand for? Blind allegiance to Trump? Recess Appointments? Dick Cheney Halibutyon grift, just with Musk and Vivek? Closed fist salutes when mentioning his name?
There is no shortage of good people. There is mostly a shortage of accountability.
Agree, there are really good people. You don't get accountability, by skipping accountability. You don't get it, requiring or forcing recess Appointments. I want to hear them answer the questions, that is the Senates job.
From stories in my feed this morning, looks like Thune is signaling that he will facilitate rather than frustrate efforts to get Trump's picks and that's a good sign. Trump won a clear mandate to govern, and implicit in that are getting people appointed who will implement his agenda......one way or the other. The Senate can either confirm Gaetz, or Trump will make him a recess appointment. That's the way the process is supposed to work.
Gaetz just won re-election. One would think any outstanding dirt on him would have already been thrown, so I counsel to be skeptical of new, improved outrages.
possible.
Don't kid yourself, Gaetz resigned because the House hearing would have been devastating and caused Trump a lot of heartburn.
also possible there is nothing new there we don't already know. (that's the safe bet.)
Senate is not going to roll over.
For sure.
Hey, I get it. Well played by Trump if he gets his Attorney as AG. DC is gamesmanship. What I can't get are the "heel-lickers" that anything Trump does it right.
LOL what about the "heel biters" who savage everything he does?
Gaetz as AG, recess appointment? Really, the guy is being investigated for sex trafficking and drugs. Disrupter? That is probably as giving the guy the biggest benefit of the doubt in US history.
A majority of the public is no longer persuaded by that argument. A majority of the public believes "investigations" have been weaponized by Democrats for partisan purposes. And they are correct. It's right there in plain view - the process IS the punishment.
Just give Donald whatever he wants??
That was basically the historical standard. Rejection happened 11 times before Bill Clinton. Since then, it's gone crazy. Normally, you are a voice for putting aside the fighting and getting down to cooperation. Why not start now? Let Trump have his picks. Evaluate the outcomes. If there is abuse, impeach. It's not like Democrats are loathe to do that. They'd be willing to impeach Donald J. Trump for throwing empty diet Coke cans in the trash rather than recycle bin.
No questions or you are a Lib Dem? Or worse, we will come after you? Didn't we just complain about this for 4 years?
Exactly. Who better to end the practice than someone who has been victimized by it? How are we to generate disincentive for Democrats abusing not just processes but entire agencies if we do not punish those who broke laws doing so?
Who is going to be Trump's Jean-Pierre? I get Musk, he has shifted paradigms and is a visionary. Vivek? The guy is a punk IPO Snake Oil Salesmen, he took failed drugs repackaged and sold before trials were done. Great guy...
The premise of your position on this is that the system is NOT broken. I disagree. It is wildly, careening out of control biased, and not just against Republicans. Against dissent. Against lack of enthusiasm. Even against failure to stay on script, to "stay in your lane." Elon Musk launches a bid to buy Twitter? The administrative state launches multiple investigations of his investments, his companies, etc.... Shocking. THAT'S why he endorsed Trump. He sees the problem, because he's been victimized by it. Smiles and soft words are not going to fix that. Time for reform is now. And it was definitely on the ballot in the election. The voters want it. They should get it. So let's wait until there is an actual misstep/overstep before we step in to moderate, rather than foreclose the possibility of serious reforms by insisting that we exclude all reformers from the process.
I'm not arguing for a pogrom. I'm arguing for selecting out a handful of the most egregious examples and letting them be punished by process. I'd also argue for a ton of pardons. For people on both sides of the aisle. I suspect Trump will do that. It'd certainly be smart....to counter-balance the accountability side of the equation.
The current strategy is leaving him vulnerable in Congress. He is pulling his strongest supporters into his Cabinet and leaving the Senate to the Collins, Mursakis (AK) and others AND then telling them to eat Gaetz or recess. That is not speculation or hand wringing. Two of his Cabinet members have outstanding ethics/legal issues (AG and now DEF). Believe it or not, the Senate WILL require hearings. That info will come out. The other is sexual abuse. Trump does not need this and does not need to use political chips on this crap.
At least McConnell got the greater good, but Trump met him halfway even though they did not like each other. Vance is appearing to be the voice of reason in this current crop... Think about that, you were in DC, how is that going to play out. The system will defend itself. DC is a strange, dangerous place...
boognish_bear said:Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
— Acyn (@Acyn) November 15, 2024
Gowdy is exactly right.
This AG pick is sucking the air out of all of Trumps grand slam selections.
Time to lacerate this boil and move forward with a decent choice to head the DOJ.
Agree. He isn't worth it. Same with Hegseth. He is going to burn political capital for very little return.KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
— Acyn (@Acyn) November 15, 2024
Gowdy is exactly right.
This AG pick is sucking the air out of all of Trumps grand slam selections.
Time to lacerate this boil and move forward with a decent choice to head the DOJ.
Gabbard, less of an issue because her views align with Trump's and are not as out of whack as they were 4 years ago. Although, Intel? RFK HHS?
Seeing more and more that these picks are a loyalty test more than anything.
Trump promised and if they cant get thru, thats not on him..FLBear5630 said:Agree. He isn't worth it. Same with Hegseth. He is going to burn political capital for very little return.KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
— Acyn (@Acyn) November 15, 2024
Gowdy is exactly right.
This AG pick is sucking the air out of all of Trumps grand slam selections.
Time to lacerate this boil and move forward with a decent choice to head the DOJ.
Gabbard, less of an issue because her views align with Trump's and are not as out of whack as they were 4 years ago. Although, Intel? RFK HHS?
Seeing more and more that these picks are a loyalty test more than anything.
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FLBear5630 said:Agree. He isn't worth it. Same with Hegseth. He is going to burn political capital for very little return.KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
— Acyn (@Acyn) November 15, 2024
Gowdy is exactly right.
This AG pick is sucking the air out of all of Trumps grand slam selections.
Time to lacerate this boil and move forward with a decent choice to head the DOJ.
Gabbard, less of an issue because her views align with Trump's and are not as out of whack as they were 4 years ago. Although, Intel? RFK HHS?
Seeing more and more that these picks are a loyalty test more than anything.
Well after what Trump went through in 2016 I can't fault him for prioritizing loyalty.
Gabbard and Hegseth are great choices.
One bad pick isn't the end of the world. But unfortunately the AG slot is vitally important in the current situation.
And there are better options than a congressman of minimal legal experience who felt the need to resign rather than face further scrutiny.
KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:Agree. He isn't worth it. Same with Hegseth. He is going to burn political capital for very little return.KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:Gowdy: You don't root out corruption at the DOJ by picking a corrupt person to lead it. Either the report comes out and is he not going to be the attorney general or the report doesn't come out and he is not going to be the attorney general pic.twitter.com/3EVIJEU0Ji
— Acyn (@Acyn) November 15, 2024
Gowdy is exactly right.
This AG pick is sucking the air out of all of Trumps grand slam selections.
Time to lacerate this boil and move forward with a decent choice to head the DOJ.
Gabbard, less of an issue because her views align with Trump's and are not as out of whack as they were 4 years ago. Although, Intel? RFK HHS?
Seeing more and more that these picks are a loyalty test more than anything.
Well after what Trump went through in 2016 I can't fault him for prioritizing loyalty.
Gabbard and Hegseth are great choices.
One bad pick isn't the end of the world. But unfortunately the AG slot is vitally important in the current situation.
And there are better options than a congressman of minimal legal experience who felt the need to resign rather than face further scrutiny.
I have no issues with Gabbard or Hegsworth, just the positions they are putting them up for. Gabbard in Intel with her history, is a bigger ask than people think. Gabbard In many other positions, no issue. Love CIA choice.
Hegsworth, not a Reservist in that role fan Just me. Could get there during hearings. Would like a professional there. He is better then Miley or Austin ...
Gowdy: You don't have to pick between character and competency. You can actually have both in a nominee. Gaetz doesn't have both. pic.twitter.com/sIVlU2LRnU
— Acyn (@Acyn) November 15, 2024
I am cool with all Trumps appointees. Give him what he wants and let him drain the swamp. If they dont do what he wants, replace them.
Gaetz was cleared by the Biden administration of all wrongdoing, wasn't he?
Gaetz was cleared by the Biden administration of all wrongdoing, wasn't he?
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Assassin said:
I am cool with all Trumps appointees. Give him what he wants and let him drain the swamp. If they dont do what he wants, replace them.
Gaetz was cleared by the Biden administration of all wrongdoing, wasn't he?
A few posters on here and their endlessly wrong takes have convinced me that he is probably the correct pic
lol
If you're getting flack that means you're on target.
I really want to hear lots of whining and anger from the media, RINOs like Cornyn, etc.Married A Horn said:
If you're getting flack that means you're on target.
Those guys are enemies of everything good, we should give them nothing but grief.
Redbrickbear said:Assassin said:
I am cool with all Trumps appointees. Give him what he wants and let him drain the swamp. If they dont do what he wants, replace them.
Gaetz was cleared by the Biden administration of all wrongdoing, wasn't he?
A few posters on here and their endlessly wrong takes have convinced me that he is probably the correct pic
lol
We need an AG with child trafficking experience
Osodecentx said:Redbrickbear said:Assassin said:
I am cool with all Trumps appointees. Give him what he wants and let him drain the swamp. If they dont do what he wants, replace them.
Gaetz was cleared by the Biden administration of all wrongdoing, wasn't he?
A few posters on here and their endlessly wrong takes have convinced me that he is probably the correct pic
lol
We need an AG with child trafficking experience
I hope they confirm him just to see you cry about it
I dont get it. Now I've been avoiding politics like the plague it is for several years, but if the far left Biden's DOJ said that it never happened, why would the right be worried about it?Osodecentx said:We need an AG with child trafficking experienceRedbrickbear said:A few posters on here and their endlessly wrong takes have convinced me that he is probably the correct picAssassin said:
I am cool with all Trumps appointees. Give him what he wants and let him drain the swamp. If they dont do what he wants, replace them.
Gaetz was cleared by the Biden administration of all wrongdoing, wasn't he?
lol
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.Assassin said:I dont get it. Now I've been avoiding politics like the plague it is for several years, but if the far left Biden's DOJ said that it never happened, why would the right be worried about it?Osodecentx said:We need an AG with child trafficking experienceRedbrickbear said:A few posters on here and their endlessly wrong takes have convinced me that he is probably the correct picAssassin said:
I am cool with all Trumps appointees. Give him what he wants and let him drain the swamp. If they dont do what he wants, replace them.
Gaetz was cleared by the Biden administration of all wrongdoing, wasn't he?
lol
DOJ didn't say it didn't happen
Let's see how Senate hearings go
failure to prosecute by state or feds means lack of evidence in most casesOsodecentx said:.Assassin said:I dont get it. Now I've been avoiding politics like the plague it is for several years, but if the far left Biden's DOJ said that it never happened, why would the right be worried about it?Osodecentx said:We need an AG with child trafficking experienceRedbrickbear said:A few posters on here and their endlessly wrong takes have convinced me that he is probably the correct picAssassin said:
I am cool with all Trumps appointees. Give him what he wants and let him drain the swamp. If they dont do what he wants, replace them.
Gaetz was cleared by the Biden administration of all wrongdoing, wasn't he?
lol
DOJ didn't say it didn't happen
Kinda like voter fraud.. amirite?!
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4th and Inches said:failure to prosecute by state or feds means lack of evidence in most casesOsodecentx said:.Assassin said:I dont get it. Now I've been avoiding politics like the plague it is for several years, but if the far left Biden's DOJ said that it never happened, why would the right be worried about it?Osodecentx said:We need an AG with child trafficking experienceRedbrickbear said:A few posters on here and their endlessly wrong takes have convinced me that he is probably the correct picAssassin said:
I am cool with all Trumps appointees. Give him what he wants and let him drain the swamp. If they dont do what he wants, replace them.
Gaetz was cleared by the Biden administration of all wrongdoing, wasn't he?
lol
DOJ didn't say it didn't happen
Kinda like voter fraud.. amirite?!
It may mean that. There are other possibilities
The left seems to be scared to death of him, so that makes him all right in my book.
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It's also true that Trump won the popular vote and will indeed be President = he is not an optional feature either and Congress has to work with HIM.FLBear5630 said:No, my position is that it doesn't matter if it is broken. It is the environment that Trump has to navigate. Congress is not an optional feature and he has to work with them or he is back into 2019.whiterock said:Democrats have forgotten a very important lesson - line of sight is reciprocal....anything you to do your opponent while in power, your opponent can do to you while in power. So be careful what you do to your opponent, because eventually you are going to lose an election and your opponent is going to be in position to return favors. That was the most alarming thing about what Democrats have done to Trump & his supporters - their disregard for the risk of reciprocity was so profound it suggested they PLANNED to never lose another election.FLBear5630 said:As I said, Gaetz is a throwaway as AG. The current nominee for Dep AG will get AG, which would have raised a stink if he was the original as he is Trump's personal Attorney. But, he is better than Gaetz. Tulsi may be in that deal as well, since Gaetz is such a big turd as AG he may get 2 for 1...whiterock said:Nobody is trying to avoid a hearing. Rather, the incoming Admin and the Senate are sparring over power. Gaetz is the kind of selection that few Senators could reasonably be expected to recommend for appointment. Disruptors are always controversial. Elon Musk will likely be regarded as the Henry Ford of his time in the business realm, but it's instructive that he became such a lightning rod when he got into politics - if you are effective, you will be attacked to make you less so. Nobody would care about Gaetz's partying if he was getting along to go along.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:I know a really solid dude right here in Waco that would be deserving of a promotion.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.OsoCoreyell said:
Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.
He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
He will do that, this is a burn the place to the ground retribution tour. The question is who does he replace them with? What do they stand for? Blind allegiance to Trump? Recess Appointments? Dick Cheney Halibutyon grift, just with Musk and Vivek? Closed fist salutes when mentioning his name?
There is no shortage of good people. There is mostly a shortage of accountability.
Agree, there are really good people. You don't get accountability, by skipping accountability. You don't get it, requiring or forcing recess Appointments. I want to hear them answer the questions, that is the Senates job.
From stories in my feed this morning, looks like Thune is signaling that he will facilitate rather than frustrate efforts to get Trump's picks and that's a good sign. Trump won a clear mandate to govern, and implicit in that are getting people appointed who will implement his agenda......one way or the other. The Senate can either confirm Gaetz, or Trump will make him a recess appointment. That's the way the process is supposed to work.
Gaetz just won re-election. One would think any outstanding dirt on him would have already been thrown, so I counsel to be skeptical of new, improved outrages.
possible.
Don't kid yourself, Gaetz resigned because the House hearing would have been devastating and caused Trump a lot of heartburn.
also possible there is nothing new there we don't already know. (that's the safe bet.)
Senate is not going to roll over.
For sure.
Hey, I get it. Well played by Trump if he gets his Attorney as AG. DC is gamesmanship. What I can't get are the "heel-lickers" that anything Trump does it right.
LOL what about the "heel biters" who savage everything he does?
Gaetz as AG, recess appointment? Really, the guy is being investigated for sex trafficking and drugs. Disrupter? That is probably as giving the guy the biggest benefit of the doubt in US history.
A majority of the public is no longer persuaded by that argument. A majority of the public believes "investigations" have been weaponized by Democrats for partisan purposes. And they are correct. It's right there in plain view - the process IS the punishment.
Just give Donald whatever he wants??
That was basically the historical standard. Rejection happened 11 times before Bill Clinton. Since then, it's gone crazy. Normally, you are a voice for putting aside the fighting and getting down to cooperation. Why not start now? Let Trump have his picks. Evaluate the outcomes. If there is abuse, impeach. It's not like Democrats are loathe to do that. They'd be willing to impeach Donald J. Trump for throwing empty diet Coke cans in the trash rather than recycle bin.
No questions or you are a Lib Dem? Or worse, we will come after you? Didn't we just complain about this for 4 years?
Exactly. Who better to end the practice than someone who has been victimized by it? How are we to generate disincentive for Democrats abusing not just processes but entire agencies if we do not punish those who broke laws doing so?
Who is going to be Trump's Jean-Pierre? I get Musk, he has shifted paradigms and is a visionary. Vivek? The guy is a punk IPO Snake Oil Salesmen, he took failed drugs repackaged and sold before trials were done. Great guy...
The premise of your position on this is that the system is NOT broken. I disagree. It is wildly, careening out of control biased, and not just against Republicans. Against dissent. Against lack of enthusiasm. Even against failure to stay on script, to "stay in your lane." Elon Musk launches a bid to buy Twitter? The administrative state launches multiple investigations of his investments, his companies, etc.... Shocking. THAT'S why he endorsed Trump. He sees the problem, because he's been victimized by it. Smiles and soft words are not going to fix that. Time for reform is now. And it was definitely on the ballot in the election. The voters want it. They should get it. So let's wait until there is an actual misstep/overstep before we step in to moderate, rather than foreclose the possibility of serious reforms by insisting that we exclude all reformers from the process.
I'm not arguing for a pogrom. I'm arguing for selecting out a handful of the most egregious examples and letting them be punished by process. I'd also argue for a ton of pardons. For people on both sides of the aisle. I suspect Trump will do that. It'd certainly be smart....to counter-balance the accountability side of the equation.
The current strategy is leaving him vulnerable in Congress. He is pulling his strongest supporters into his Cabinet and leaving the Senate to the Collins, Mursakis (AK) and others AND then telling them to eat Gaetz or recess. That is not speculation or hand wringing. Two of his Cabinet members have outstanding ethics/legal issues (AG and now DEF). Believe it or not, the Senate WILL require hearings. That info will come out. The other is sexual abuse. Trump does not need this and does not need to use political chips on this crap.
At least McConnell got the greater good, but Trump met him halfway even though they did not like each other. Vance is appearing to be the voice of reason in this current crop... Think about that, you were in DC, how is that going to play out. The system will defend itself. DC is a strange, dangerous place...
In 2020, Biden got men wearing dresses appointed by the Senate, so the bar of disqualification is vanishingly low (at least for Democrats). Seriously. You watch. The same Senate holdouts on the AG will all, to a person, have voted to confirm dudes wearing dresses because "the (Democrat) POTUS deserves his nominees." We should be mailing dresses to their offices to remind them of their peculiar double standard that says it is our moral duty to divide own policy imperatives by crooked numbers while sharpening pencils to add exponents to whatever the Democrats want to do, merely to bask in the glow of bi-partisanship (that attends to Democrat vanities at the expense of ordinary people).
Strange, dangerous places should not be afforded much respect. They should be struck with sledgehammers and machetes to restore some semblance of order and light.
What we are going to see with Gaetz is a handsome, high-testosterone young man who liked to do things that handsome, high-testosterone young men are prone to do (party hearty) facing a flurry of allegations based on guilt by association. How do we know that? An out-of-control partisan DOJ that that conducted swat raids on Republicans over process crimes, that put grandmas in jail for demonstrating at abortion clinics, that launched investigations of mothers complaining at school board meetings, that put into years of solitary pre-trial confinement elderly people who wandered thru open doors and spent a few minutes taking pictures of the Capital, that chose to launch contrived prosecutions of the leading political opponent of the administration without the slightest attempt to exhaust more obvious civil law issues.......that DOJ curiously declined to prosecute the most hated young man in Congress on sex trafficking allegations (because there was no evidence he had actually done what was alleged).
Don't let them lead you around by the nose......
whiterock said:It's also true that Trump won the popular vote and will indeed be President = he is not an optional feature either and Congress has to work with HIM.FLBear5630 said:No, my position is that it doesn't matter if it is broken. It is the environment that Trump has to navigate. Congress is not an optional feature and he has to work with them or he is back into 2019.whiterock said:Democrats have forgotten a very important lesson - line of sight is reciprocal....anything you to do your opponent while in power, your opponent can do to you while in power. So be careful what you do to your opponent, because eventually you are going to lose an election and your opponent is going to be in position to return favors. That was the most alarming thing about what Democrats have done to Trump & his supporters - their disregard for the risk of reciprocity was so profound it suggested they PLANNED to never lose another election.FLBear5630 said:As I said, Gaetz is a throwaway as AG. The current nominee for Dep AG will get AG, which would have raised a stink if he was the original as he is Trump's personal Attorney. But, he is better than Gaetz. Tulsi may be in that deal as well, since Gaetz is such a big turd as AG he may get 2 for 1...whiterock said:Nobody is trying to avoid a hearing. Rather, the incoming Admin and the Senate are sparring over power. Gaetz is the kind of selection that few Senators could reasonably be expected to recommend for appointment. Disruptors are always controversial. Elon Musk will likely be regarded as the Henry Ford of his time in the business realm, but it's instructive that he became such a lightning rod when he got into politics - if you are effective, you will be attacked to make you less so. Nobody would care about Gaetz's partying if he was getting along to go along.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:I know a really solid dude right here in Waco that would be deserving of a promotion.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.OsoCoreyell said:
Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.
He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
He will do that, this is a burn the place to the ground retribution tour. The question is who does he replace them with? What do they stand for? Blind allegiance to Trump? Recess Appointments? Dick Cheney Halibutyon grift, just with Musk and Vivek? Closed fist salutes when mentioning his name?
There is no shortage of good people. There is mostly a shortage of accountability.
Agree, there are really good people. You don't get accountability, by skipping accountability. You don't get it, requiring or forcing recess Appointments. I want to hear them answer the questions, that is the Senates job.
From stories in my feed this morning, looks like Thune is signaling that he will facilitate rather than frustrate efforts to get Trump's picks and that's a good sign. Trump won a clear mandate to govern, and implicit in that are getting people appointed who will implement his agenda......one way or the other. The Senate can either confirm Gaetz, or Trump will make him a recess appointment. That's the way the process is supposed to work.
Gaetz just won re-election. One would think any outstanding dirt on him would have already been thrown, so I counsel to be skeptical of new, improved outrages.
possible.
Don't kid yourself, Gaetz resigned because the House hearing would have been devastating and caused Trump a lot of heartburn.
also possible there is nothing new there we don't already know. (that's the safe bet.)
Senate is not going to roll over.
For sure.
Hey, I get it. Well played by Trump if he gets his Attorney as AG. DC is gamesmanship. What I can't get are the "heel-lickers" that anything Trump does it right.
LOL what about the "heel biters" who savage everything he does?
Gaetz as AG, recess appointment? Really, the guy is being investigated for sex trafficking and drugs. Disrupter? That is probably as giving the guy the biggest benefit of the doubt in US history.
A majority of the public is no longer persuaded by that argument. A majority of the public believes "investigations" have been weaponized by Democrats for partisan purposes. And they are correct. It's right there in plain view - the process IS the punishment.
Just give Donald whatever he wants??
That was basically the historical standard. Rejection happened 11 times before Bill Clinton. Since then, it's gone crazy. Normally, you are a voice for putting aside the fighting and getting down to cooperation. Why not start now? Let Trump have his picks. Evaluate the outcomes. If there is abuse, impeach. It's not like Democrats are loathe to do that. They'd be willing to impeach Donald J. Trump for throwing empty diet Coke cans in the trash rather than recycle bin.
No questions or you are a Lib Dem? Or worse, we will come after you? Didn't we just complain about this for 4 years?
Exactly. Who better to end the practice than someone who has been victimized by it? How are we to generate disincentive for Democrats abusing not just processes but entire agencies if we do not punish those who broke laws doing so?
Who is going to be Trump's Jean-Pierre? I get Musk, he has shifted paradigms and is a visionary. Vivek? The guy is a punk IPO Snake Oil Salesmen, he took failed drugs repackaged and sold before trials were done. Great guy...
The premise of your position on this is that the system is NOT broken. I disagree. It is wildly, careening out of control biased, and not just against Republicans. Against dissent. Against lack of enthusiasm. Even against failure to stay on script, to "stay in your lane." Elon Musk launches a bid to buy Twitter? The administrative state launches multiple investigations of his investments, his companies, etc.... Shocking. THAT'S why he endorsed Trump. He sees the problem, because he's been victimized by it. Smiles and soft words are not going to fix that. Time for reform is now. And it was definitely on the ballot in the election. The voters want it. They should get it. So let's wait until there is an actual misstep/overstep before we step in to moderate, rather than foreclose the possibility of serious reforms by insisting that we exclude all reformers from the process.
I'm not arguing for a pogrom. I'm arguing for selecting out a handful of the most egregious examples and letting them be punished by process. I'd also argue for a ton of pardons. For people on both sides of the aisle. I suspect Trump will do that. It'd certainly be smart....to counter-balance the accountability side of the equation.
The current strategy is leaving him vulnerable in Congress. He is pulling his strongest supporters into his Cabinet and leaving the Senate to the Collins, Mursakis (AK) and others AND then telling them to eat Gaetz or recess. That is not speculation or hand wringing. Two of his Cabinet members have outstanding ethics/legal issues (AG and now DEF). Believe it or not, the Senate WILL require hearings. That info will come out. The other is sexual abuse. Trump does not need this and does not need to use political chips on this crap.
At least McConnell got the greater good, but Trump met him halfway even though they did not like each other. Vance is appearing to be the voice of reason in this current crop... Think about that, you were in DC, how is that going to play out. The system will defend itself. DC is a strange, dangerous place...
In 2020, Biden got men wearing dresses appointed by the Senate, so the bar of disqualification is vanishingly low (at least for Democrats). Seriously. You watch. The same Senate holdouts on the AG will all, to a person, have voted to confirm dudes wearing dresses because "the (Democrat) POTUS deserves his nominees." We should be mailing dresses to their offices to remind them of their peculiar double standard that says it is our moral duty to divide own policy imperatives by crooked numbers while sharpening pencils to add exponents to whatever the Democrats want to do, merely to bask in the glow of bi-partisanship (that attends to Democrat vanities at the expense of ordinary people).
Strange, dangerous places should not be afforded much respect. They should be struck with sledgehammers and machetes to restore some semblance of order and light.
What we are going to see with Gaetz is a handsome, high-testosterone young man who liked to do things that handsome, high-testosterone young men are prone to do (party hearty) facing a flurry of allegations based on guilt by association. How do we know that? An out-of-control partisan DOJ that that conducted swat raids on Republicans over process crimes, that put grandmas in jail for demonstrating at abortion clinics, that launched investigations of mothers complaining at school board meetings, that put into years of solitary pre-trial confinement elderly people who wandered thru open doors and spent a few minutes taking pictures of the Capital, that chose to launch contrived prosecutions of the leading political opponent of the administration without the slightest attempt to exhaust more obvious civil law issues.......that DOJ curiously declined to prosecute the most hated young man in Congress on sex trafficking allegations (because there was no evidence he had actually done what was alleged).
Don't let them lead you around by the nose......
/end thread
Assassin said:I dont get it. Now I've been avoiding politics like the plague it is for several years, but if the far left Biden's DOJ said that it never happened, why would the right be worried about it?Osodecentx said:We need an AG with child trafficking experienceRedbrickbear said:A few posters on here and their endlessly wrong takes have convinced me that he is probably the correct picAssassin said:
I am cool with all Trumps appointees. Give him what he wants and let him drain the swamp. If they dont do what he wants, replace them.
Gaetz was cleared by the Biden administration of all wrongdoing, wasn't he?
lol
They didn't. If you are really that ignorant, just try reading for yourself what happened.
You miss my point, Gaetz sits there answers questions and is confirmed. I am good. Trump is going to pull some maneuver to appoint a Cabinet without any Hearings or scrutiny, I am not. Simple as that. Honor the system. Don't do middle of the night ***** You won, act like it. Circumventing the system is NOT acting like it, it is acting either scared or dictator. Neither helps.whiterock said:It's also true that Trump won the popular vote and will indeed be President = he is not an optional feature either and Congress has to work with HIM.FLBear5630 said:No, my position is that it doesn't matter if it is broken. It is the environment that Trump has to navigate. Congress is not an optional feature and he has to work with them or he is back into 2019.whiterock said:Democrats have forgotten a very important lesson - line of sight is reciprocal....anything you to do your opponent while in power, your opponent can do to you while in power. So be careful what you do to your opponent, because eventually you are going to lose an election and your opponent is going to be in position to return favors. That was the most alarming thing about what Democrats have done to Trump & his supporters - their disregard for the risk of reciprocity was so profound it suggested they PLANNED to never lose another election.FLBear5630 said:As I said, Gaetz is a throwaway as AG. The current nominee for Dep AG will get AG, which would have raised a stink if he was the original as he is Trump's personal Attorney. But, he is better than Gaetz. Tulsi may be in that deal as well, since Gaetz is such a big turd as AG he may get 2 for 1...whiterock said:Nobody is trying to avoid a hearing. Rather, the incoming Admin and the Senate are sparring over power. Gaetz is the kind of selection that few Senators could reasonably be expected to recommend for appointment. Disruptors are always controversial. Elon Musk will likely be regarded as the Henry Ford of his time in the business realm, but it's instructive that he became such a lightning rod when he got into politics - if you are effective, you will be attacked to make you less so. Nobody would care about Gaetz's partying if he was getting along to go along.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:I know a really solid dude right here in Waco that would be deserving of a promotion.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.OsoCoreyell said:
Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.
He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
He will do that, this is a burn the place to the ground retribution tour. The question is who does he replace them with? What do they stand for? Blind allegiance to Trump? Recess Appointments? Dick Cheney Halibutyon grift, just with Musk and Vivek? Closed fist salutes when mentioning his name?
There is no shortage of good people. There is mostly a shortage of accountability.
Agree, there are really good people. You don't get accountability, by skipping accountability. You don't get it, requiring or forcing recess Appointments. I want to hear them answer the questions, that is the Senates job.
From stories in my feed this morning, looks like Thune is signaling that he will facilitate rather than frustrate efforts to get Trump's picks and that's a good sign. Trump won a clear mandate to govern, and implicit in that are getting people appointed who will implement his agenda......one way or the other. The Senate can either confirm Gaetz, or Trump will make him a recess appointment. That's the way the process is supposed to work.
Gaetz just won re-election. One would think any outstanding dirt on him would have already been thrown, so I counsel to be skeptical of new, improved outrages.
possible.
Don't kid yourself, Gaetz resigned because the House hearing would have been devastating and caused Trump a lot of heartburn.
also possible there is nothing new there we don't already know. (that's the safe bet.)
Senate is not going to roll over.
For sure.
Hey, I get it. Well played by Trump if he gets his Attorney as AG. DC is gamesmanship. What I can't get are the "heel-lickers" that anything Trump does it right.
LOL what about the "heel biters" who savage everything he does?
Gaetz as AG, recess appointment? Really, the guy is being investigated for sex trafficking and drugs. Disrupter? That is probably as giving the guy the biggest benefit of the doubt in US history.
A majority of the public is no longer persuaded by that argument. A majority of the public believes "investigations" have been weaponized by Democrats for partisan purposes. And they are correct. It's right there in plain view - the process IS the punishment.
Just give Donald whatever he wants??
That was basically the historical standard. Rejection happened 11 times before Bill Clinton. Since then, it's gone crazy. Normally, you are a voice for putting aside the fighting and getting down to cooperation. Why not start now? Let Trump have his picks. Evaluate the outcomes. If there is abuse, impeach. It's not like Democrats are loathe to do that. They'd be willing to impeach Donald J. Trump for throwing empty diet Coke cans in the trash rather than recycle bin.
No questions or you are a Lib Dem? Or worse, we will come after you? Didn't we just complain about this for 4 years?
Exactly. Who better to end the practice than someone who has been victimized by it? How are we to generate disincentive for Democrats abusing not just processes but entire agencies if we do not punish those who broke laws doing so?
Who is going to be Trump's Jean-Pierre? I get Musk, he has shifted paradigms and is a visionary. Vivek? The guy is a punk IPO Snake Oil Salesmen, he took failed drugs repackaged and sold before trials were done. Great guy...
The premise of your position on this is that the system is NOT broken. I disagree. It is wildly, careening out of control biased, and not just against Republicans. Against dissent. Against lack of enthusiasm. Even against failure to stay on script, to "stay in your lane." Elon Musk launches a bid to buy Twitter? The administrative state launches multiple investigations of his investments, his companies, etc.... Shocking. THAT'S why he endorsed Trump. He sees the problem, because he's been victimized by it. Smiles and soft words are not going to fix that. Time for reform is now. And it was definitely on the ballot in the election. The voters want it. They should get it. So let's wait until there is an actual misstep/overstep before we step in to moderate, rather than foreclose the possibility of serious reforms by insisting that we exclude all reformers from the process.
I'm not arguing for a pogrom. I'm arguing for selecting out a handful of the most egregious examples and letting them be punished by process. I'd also argue for a ton of pardons. For people on both sides of the aisle. I suspect Trump will do that. It'd certainly be smart....to counter-balance the accountability side of the equation.
The current strategy is leaving him vulnerable in Congress. He is pulling his strongest supporters into his Cabinet and leaving the Senate to the Collins, Mursakis (AK) and others AND then telling them to eat Gaetz or recess. That is not speculation or hand wringing. Two of his Cabinet members have outstanding ethics/legal issues (AG and now DEF). Believe it or not, the Senate WILL require hearings. That info will come out. The other is sexual abuse. Trump does not need this and does not need to use political chips on this crap.
At least McConnell got the greater good, but Trump met him halfway even though they did not like each other. Vance is appearing to be the voice of reason in this current crop... Think about that, you were in DC, how is that going to play out. The system will defend itself. DC is a strange, dangerous place...
In 2020, Biden got men wearing dresses appointed by the Senate, so the bar of disqualification is vanishingly low (at least for Democrats). Seriously. You watch. The same Senate holdouts on the AG will all, to a person, have voted to confirm dudes wearing dresses because "the (Democrat) POTUS deserves his nominees." We should be mailing dresses to their offices to remind them of their peculiar double standard that says it is our moral duty to divide own policy imperatives by crooked numbers while sharpening pencils to add exponents to whatever the Democrats want to do, merely to bask in the glow of bi-partisanship (that attends to Democrat vanities at the expense of ordinary people).
Strange, dangerous places should not be afforded much respect. They should be struck with sledgehammers and machetes to restore some semblance of order and light.
What we are going to see with Gaetz is a handsome, high-testosterone young man who liked to do things that handsome, high-testosterone young men are prone to do (party hearty) facing a flurry of allegations based on guilt by association. How do we know that? An out-of-control partisan DOJ that that conducted swat raids on Republicans over process crimes, that put grandmas in jail for demonstrating at abortion clinics, that launched investigations of mothers complaining at school board meetings, that put into years of solitary pre-trial confinement elderly people who wandered thru open doors and spent a few minutes taking pictures of the Capital, that chose to launch contrived prosecutions of the leading political opponent of the administration without the slightest attempt to exhaust more obvious civil law issues.......that DOJ curiously declined to prosecute the most hated young man in Congress on sex trafficking allegations (because there was no evidence he had actually done what was alleged).
Don't let them lead you around by the nose......
Do I think he should be AG? Absolutely not. I have met him in Tallahassee, I am sure there are politicians in Texas that you know and would cringe if put in that position. I can see him in the Cabinet, just not AG. But opinions are like *******s...
If the Senate refuses to appoint him, Trump should elevate him with a recess appointment.FLBear5630 said:You miss my point, Gaetz sits there answers questions and is confirmed. I am good. Trump is going to pull some maneuver to appoint a Cabinet without any Hearings or scrutiny, I am not. Simple as that. Honor the system. Don't do middle of the night ***** You won, act like it. Circumventing the system is NOT acting like it, it is acting either scared or dictator. Neither helps.whiterock said:It's also true that Trump won the popular vote and will indeed be President = he is not an optional feature either and Congress has to work with HIM.FLBear5630 said:No, my position is that it doesn't matter if it is broken. It is the environment that Trump has to navigate. Congress is not an optional feature and he has to work with them or he is back into 2019.whiterock said:Democrats have forgotten a very important lesson - line of sight is reciprocal....anything you to do your opponent while in power, your opponent can do to you while in power. So be careful what you do to your opponent, because eventually you are going to lose an election and your opponent is going to be in position to return favors. That was the most alarming thing about what Democrats have done to Trump & his supporters - their disregard for the risk of reciprocity was so profound it suggested they PLANNED to never lose another election.FLBear5630 said:As I said, Gaetz is a throwaway as AG. The current nominee for Dep AG will get AG, which would have raised a stink if he was the original as he is Trump's personal Attorney. But, he is better than Gaetz. Tulsi may be in that deal as well, since Gaetz is such a big turd as AG he may get 2 for 1...whiterock said:Nobody is trying to avoid a hearing. Rather, the incoming Admin and the Senate are sparring over power. Gaetz is the kind of selection that few Senators could reasonably be expected to recommend for appointment. Disruptors are always controversial. Elon Musk will likely be regarded as the Henry Ford of his time in the business realm, but it's instructive that he became such a lightning rod when he got into politics - if you are effective, you will be attacked to make you less so. Nobody would care about Gaetz's partying if he was getting along to go along.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:I know a really solid dude right here in Waco that would be deserving of a promotion.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.OsoCoreyell said:
Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.
He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
He will do that, this is a burn the place to the ground retribution tour. The question is who does he replace them with? What do they stand for? Blind allegiance to Trump? Recess Appointments? Dick Cheney Halibutyon grift, just with Musk and Vivek? Closed fist salutes when mentioning his name?
There is no shortage of good people. There is mostly a shortage of accountability.
Agree, there are really good people. You don't get accountability, by skipping accountability. You don't get it, requiring or forcing recess Appointments. I want to hear them answer the questions, that is the Senates job.
From stories in my feed this morning, looks like Thune is signaling that he will facilitate rather than frustrate efforts to get Trump's picks and that's a good sign. Trump won a clear mandate to govern, and implicit in that are getting people appointed who will implement his agenda......one way or the other. The Senate can either confirm Gaetz, or Trump will make him a recess appointment. That's the way the process is supposed to work.
Gaetz just won re-election. One would think any outstanding dirt on him would have already been thrown, so I counsel to be skeptical of new, improved outrages.
possible.
Don't kid yourself, Gaetz resigned because the House hearing would have been devastating and caused Trump a lot of heartburn.
also possible there is nothing new there we don't already know. (that's the safe bet.)
Senate is not going to roll over.
For sure.
Hey, I get it. Well played by Trump if he gets his Attorney as AG. DC is gamesmanship. What I can't get are the "heel-lickers" that anything Trump does it right.
LOL what about the "heel biters" who savage everything he does?
Gaetz as AG, recess appointment? Really, the guy is being investigated for sex trafficking and drugs. Disrupter? That is probably as giving the guy the biggest benefit of the doubt in US history.
A majority of the public is no longer persuaded by that argument. A majority of the public believes "investigations" have been weaponized by Democrats for partisan purposes. And they are correct. It's right there in plain view - the process IS the punishment.
Just give Donald whatever he wants??
That was basically the historical standard. Rejection happened 11 times before Bill Clinton. Since then, it's gone crazy. Normally, you are a voice for putting aside the fighting and getting down to cooperation. Why not start now? Let Trump have his picks. Evaluate the outcomes. If there is abuse, impeach. It's not like Democrats are loathe to do that. They'd be willing to impeach Donald J. Trump for throwing empty diet Coke cans in the trash rather than recycle bin.
No questions or you are a Lib Dem? Or worse, we will come after you? Didn't we just complain about this for 4 years?
Exactly. Who better to end the practice than someone who has been victimized by it? How are we to generate disincentive for Democrats abusing not just processes but entire agencies if we do not punish those who broke laws doing so?
Who is going to be Trump's Jean-Pierre? I get Musk, he has shifted paradigms and is a visionary. Vivek? The guy is a punk IPO Snake Oil Salesmen, he took failed drugs repackaged and sold before trials were done. Great guy...
The premise of your position on this is that the system is NOT broken. I disagree. It is wildly, careening out of control biased, and not just against Republicans. Against dissent. Against lack of enthusiasm. Even against failure to stay on script, to "stay in your lane." Elon Musk launches a bid to buy Twitter? The administrative state launches multiple investigations of his investments, his companies, etc.... Shocking. THAT'S why he endorsed Trump. He sees the problem, because he's been victimized by it. Smiles and soft words are not going to fix that. Time for reform is now. And it was definitely on the ballot in the election. The voters want it. They should get it. So let's wait until there is an actual misstep/overstep before we step in to moderate, rather than foreclose the possibility of serious reforms by insisting that we exclude all reformers from the process.
I'm not arguing for a pogrom. I'm arguing for selecting out a handful of the most egregious examples and letting them be punished by process. I'd also argue for a ton of pardons. For people on both sides of the aisle. I suspect Trump will do that. It'd certainly be smart....to counter-balance the accountability side of the equation.
The current strategy is leaving him vulnerable in Congress. He is pulling his strongest supporters into his Cabinet and leaving the Senate to the Collins, Mursakis (AK) and others AND then telling them to eat Gaetz or recess. That is not speculation or hand wringing. Two of his Cabinet members have outstanding ethics/legal issues (AG and now DEF). Believe it or not, the Senate WILL require hearings. That info will come out. The other is sexual abuse. Trump does not need this and does not need to use political chips on this crap.
At least McConnell got the greater good, but Trump met him halfway even though they did not like each other. Vance is appearing to be the voice of reason in this current crop... Think about that, you were in DC, how is that going to play out. The system will defend itself. DC is a strange, dangerous place...
In 2020, Biden got men wearing dresses appointed by the Senate, so the bar of disqualification is vanishingly low (at least for Democrats). Seriously. You watch. The same Senate holdouts on the AG will all, to a person, have voted to confirm dudes wearing dresses because "the (Democrat) POTUS deserves his nominees." We should be mailing dresses to their offices to remind them of their peculiar double standard that says it is our moral duty to divide own policy imperatives by crooked numbers while sharpening pencils to add exponents to whatever the Democrats want to do, merely to bask in the glow of bi-partisanship (that attends to Democrat vanities at the expense of ordinary people).
Strange, dangerous places should not be afforded much respect. They should be struck with sledgehammers and machetes to restore some semblance of order and light.
What we are going to see with Gaetz is a handsome, high-testosterone young man who liked to do things that handsome, high-testosterone young men are prone to do (party hearty) facing a flurry of allegations based on guilt by association. How do we know that? An out-of-control partisan DOJ that that conducted swat raids on Republicans over process crimes, that put grandmas in jail for demonstrating at abortion clinics, that launched investigations of mothers complaining at school board meetings, that put into years of solitary pre-trial confinement elderly people who wandered thru open doors and spent a few minutes taking pictures of the Capital, that chose to launch contrived prosecutions of the leading political opponent of the administration without the slightest attempt to exhaust more obvious civil law issues.......that DOJ curiously declined to prosecute the most hated young man in Congress on sex trafficking allegations (because there was no evidence he had actually done what was alleged).
Don't let them lead you around by the nose......
Do I think he should be AG? Absolutely not. I have met him in Tallahassee, I am sure there are politicians in Texas that you know and would cringe if put in that position. I can see him in the Cabinet, just not AG. But opinions are like *******s...
That, too, is the process.......................................................
Some people dont like the book of James. You dont get to throw out rules you aren't a fan of.