RegressivismHarrison Bergeron said:historian said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:
This thread is a sort of smorgasbord of what Republicans wished history said. True, a long, long time ago it was Republicans who were trying to end slavery, and Democrats who wanted to keep it going. That has little relation to today though, where even in our lifetimes we see the script being completely flipped on issues like women's right, US-Russia relations, etc.
To paint fascism, communism, socialism as completely left wing ideologies is to try to impose a snapshot of modern American politics onto the history of European politics, and that is just simply not accurate. Fascism in Italy was certainly right wing, for example. There is no doubt about it.
The core reason however, that neither American party has ever been described by anyone with a brain, up until Trump, as fascist, is our limited government and Constitution. Someone earlier correctly described fascism as more closely related to absolutist government than right left up down wing.
Personally, I don't think it is Trump's intention to say fascist things, but simply his total ignorance of the Cobstitution, which he has admitted several times, that caused him to say things veering not really into any sort of right wing rhetoric, but absolutist government rhetoric.
Him having unconstitutional power over the generals of the Armed Forces for example, or asking Pence to unconstitutionally throw out the vote of the people. These are absolutely fascist tendencies. The left does this too, so that is a valid argument, but if there are fascists amongst the leftist politicians, they certainly conceal it better than Trump.
To understand all these 3 ideologies as left wing would be a huge misunderstanding of history, and guess what? Something of course you zealots love.
Fascism and communism are just two different manifestations of socialism = collectivism. collectivism is always done FOR some oppressed class.
Communism is socialism by class - to benefit the worker.
Fascism is socialism by race - to benefit the German/Italian people.
That difference also explains the national vs international dynamic mentioned by others.
The fascists did describe themselves as socialists, ya know…..
Fascism is not necessarily racist. It certainly was for Hitler but not for Mussolini. It was more about nationalism taken to insane extremes and concentrating power in a few hands. Of course, it was (and still is) a lot more than that. The basics are enough to understand what it looks like in generals terms and to understand how evil it is.
Fascism is definitely a variety of socialism, one that downplayed the idea of abolishing private party. That enabled them to gain support from lots of people of all classes and from corporations who saw opportunities to rig the system in their favor with the support of powerful politicians & bureaucrats. Sound familiar?
Yep. American regressivism is close to fascism in both economics and racism.
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