FLBear5630 said:
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Mothra said:
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You go first... come to the center.
This is what you maga fail to understand. I am centrist. Voted dem1 time in my 30 yrs of voting. I'm basically a Regan Republican. Now extinct because of maga and yall axe to grind. Playing the victim!
Post of the Year. Reagan Republican's are now considered liberals...
laughably un-true
[the Reagan coalition in the Republican Party, which centered around Ronald Reagan and his administration throughout all of the 1980s consisted of five factions: the libertarians, the traditionalists, the anti-communists, the neoconservatives, and the religious right ]
The modern MAGA movement is very much a continuation of this tradition.
With the biggest difference being a dislike of the neo-cons (after decades of foreign policy disasters in the Middle East)
"With the biggest difference being a dislike of the neo-cons (after decades of foreign policy disasters in the Middle East)"
Well, there are a few others...- working with Congress
- immigration
- Reagan's 11th Amendment? (Do Not Speak Poorly of a fellow GOP member)
- Free Trade
- Embracing equality of all
Reagan's conservatism is not the GOP. The GOP is a Populist party. You can make up all the excuses, say Reagan didn't want to do Amnesty. But, he did it. You can say he didn't want to work with the Dems, but he did it.
Are you glad Reagan compromised on conservative issues and principles? You seem to think that is some sort of badge of honor.
Reagan had a Democrat congress, and therefore had to find compromise to get certain of the things he wanted. That was of course a much different iteration of the Democrat party than the wokesters of today. It's also not the position Trump finds himself in.
He was an adult. He understood how to get the important things done without destroying the Nation. He was an American first, GOP 2nd. He NEVER would have talked about a civil war over disagreeing on policies. Only MAGA has done that.
He would have broke MAGA, like he did the Air Traffic Controllers, if Jan 6th happened on his watch. He NEVER would have done what Trump did with that speech. You guys seem to wear being willing to bring the whole thing down as a badge of courage. MAGA is not the Party of Reagan.
You'll get no argument from me that Reagan was a much better person than Trump. But that is not at all relevant to our discussion or the question I posed to you.
Yes, I am proud of Reagan for compromising and moving the agenda forward.
I think you might be over playing the "compromise" thing as well.
He was hard as iron on certain issues that be believed deeply in and did not compromise
And he was willing to use his massive electoral victory (49 States) to push his agenda forward.
[Some months ago, "compromise" was one of most popular words in political discourse. But the calls for compromise were suspiciously unidirectional. We were treated to portrayals of President Ronald Reagan as "the great compromiser" who, despite his professed intention to reduce marginal tax rates, actually "raised taxes 11 times." Clearly this was a call to conservatives and Republicans, in the name of a man for whom they had great respect, to follow his example and compromise with those who wish to raise tax rates, perhaps in return for spending cuts, in order to reduce the budget deficit.
But should Reagan be remembered as a great compromiser? It is unlikely that the striking air traffic controllers or the Soviets would agree. The art of principled compromise entails giving up a lesser value to achieve a greater value. The strikers and the Soviets asked Reagan to do the opposite;
they ended with nothing.From the beginning of his presidency, Reagan pushed for, and eventually got, huge reductions in the marginal tax rates on personal income and capital gains. By mid-1983, he had reduced the capital-gains tax rate from 28 percent to 20 percent (though he later agreed on its return to 28 percent to equalize it with the income-tax rate). By the end of his presidency, he had reduced the top marginal income-tax rate from 70 percent to 28 percent. The tax structure was also simpler and indexed for inflation.
In 1982, Reagan agreed to increase some excise taxes on a promise from House Speaker Tip O'Neill that every dollar increase in tax revenue would be matched by 3 dollars in spending cuts. Famously, O'Neill reneged. So much for compromise: When later asked again to raise some taxes, Reagan would reply, "I'm still waiting for those spending cuts."
Those who oppose what Reagan stood for, now like to blame him for the increased government spending and debt that were largely inflicted on him by their predecessors, such as O'Neill, through stubbornness and deceit. Last week,
Bloomberg Insider featured on its cover a picture of Reagan with the word "SOCIALIST!" scrawled across his face. The accompanying article did not even come close to demonstrating that Reagan was a socialist, but it did attempt to portray his compromises as if they were his guiding principles.
The article also served to dilute the meaning of the word "socialist" by applying it to its opposite, thereby weakening its impact when used correctly to describe those who act to diminish private property rights and personal freedoms. Just as the word "liberal" now means the opposite of what it once meant, the level of political discourse is lowered by deliberate misuse of language.
"Compromise" has been compromised. Should future conservatives fall for attempts to persuade them to accept such compromises as tax increases, they will soon find that those with whom they shook hands will use that as a weapon against them in the next election.]
https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardgrant/2012/09/02/how-reagan-was-compromised/
