FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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Mitt has worked with & voted with the Dems a lot while in the Senate. He is the worst of the RINO's.

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So, how does this end? If you can't work with the other side and the Romney's, Manchin's, McCain's, Lieberman's basically anyone that tries for bi-partisan legislation is "dead to us". How does it end?

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Depends on what bi-partisan legislation we are talking about

Betraying the base by reaching across the aisle to push for more foreign wars, and more leftist social stuff
(taking down statues, renaming bases, codifying gay "marriage" into Federal law, confirming Leftist Life Judges)

That is not the kind of bi-partisan stuff that Republican voters want....its a betrayal

Not to mention there is no similar movement among the Democrats to reach across the isle and secure our borders or push socially conservative legislation

Bi-partisanship is a one way street in DC

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Then it doesn't end because the GOP will lose the House in 2 years. It will be more of the same bi-partisan crap.

As for votes, use this site and find out what the people you say you despise and love actually vote for.

Congressional Votes Database - GovTrack.us

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Married A Horn said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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Mitt has worked with & voted with the Dems a lot while in the Senate. He is the worst of the RINO's.

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So, how does this end? If you can't work with the other side and the Romney's, Manchin's, McCain's, Lieberman's basically anyone that tries for bi-partisan legislation is "dead to us". How does it end?

You think Trump will have smooth sailing and destroy the Dems? He won by a percent or two. You guys think it is over and Trump won?

I am not getting the end game here or at least one that is realistic.

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We are in the majority. We don't need to work with the other side now. They need to work with us. What we don't need is for our side to block our own agenda. You may not like it, but don't side with them and block us. That is our end game. Get on board or get out.

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J.R. said:

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I can't speak for FLA, but we need more centrists on both sides. Unfortunately, those days are gone. MAGA nut jobs are the GOP. Just miss the days when from when the dems and reps both had centrists that could work together to get things done. Not all this rancor from both sides.

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A sitting senator just accused half of all Americans of declaring war on our own country because we won an election.

And he thinks he's the good guy. https://t.co/GSppG8TpGy

— The🐰FOO (@PolitiBunny) December 16, 2024

BREAKING: Senate Democrats have introduced a bill to abolish the Electoral College, claiming it will “restore Democracy.”

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) December 16, 2024

Married A Horn said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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I can't speak for FLA, but we need more centrists on both sides. Unfortunately, those days are gone. MAGA nut jobs are the GOP. Just miss the days when from when the dems and reps both had centrists that could work together to get things done. Not all this rancor from both sides.

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We are on same page. Nothing is going to get done. If you are an elected, you can't have an opinion that differs or the MAGA nutjobs go after you on Social Media.

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You are the nutjob and traitor to the country and values we've had for a few centuries. Stop calling us the nutjobs.

Stop saying we need to reach across the isle. No, we dont. You dont compromise with evil. You defeat it in the most crushing way possible - and thats not by letting half of it in - in the name of reaching across the isle.

What a nutjob.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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I can't speak for FLA, but we need more centrists on both sides. Unfortunately, those days are gone. MAGA nut jobs are the GOP. Just miss the days when from when the dems and reps both had centrists that could work together to get things done. Not all this rancor from both sides.

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We are on same page. Nothing is going to get done. If you are an elected, you can't have an opinion that differs or the MAGA nutjobs go after you on Social Media.

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You are the nutjob and traitor to the country and values we've had for a few centuries. Stop calling us the nutjobs.

Stop saying we need to reach across the isle. No, we dont. You dont compromise with evil. You defeat it in the most crushing way possible - and thats not by letting half of it in - in the name of reaching across the isle.

What a nutjob.

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Evil?

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Married A Horn said:

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You go first... come to the center.

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Mothra said:

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J.R. said:

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I can't speak for FLA, but we need more centrists on both sides. Unfortunately, those days are gone. MAGA nut jobs are the GOP. Just miss the days when from when the dems and reps both had centrists that could work together to get things done. Not all this rancor from both sides.

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What's ironic about your statements is MAGA is actually normal. MAGA by and large supports policies that conform to traditional Judeo-Christian values. It's the Dems who are now the leftist wingnuts. They took a woke left turn in 2020, embracing open borders, defunding police forces, and pretending that biological boys could become biological girls. They veered so far away from normal, that even traditional liberals got scared away. It was looney-tunes land.

Thank God they lost.

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J.R. said:

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Married A Horn said:

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You go first... come to the center.

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This is what you maga fail to understand. I am centrist. Voted dem1 time in my 30 yrs of voting. I'm basically a Regan Republican. Now extinct because of maga and yall axe to grind. Playing the victim!

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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I can't speak for FLA, but we need more centrists on both sides. Unfortunately, those days are gone. MAGA nut jobs are the GOP. Just miss the days when from when the dems and reps both had centrists that could work together to get things done. Not all this rancor from both sides.

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There is a center between a 15% tax rate and a 35% tax rate.

There is no center between

...nuclear war and no nuclear war.
...men can become pregnant and men cannot become pregnant.
...transing the kids and not transing the kids.
...censorship and free speech
...the demand to submit to crime and the right to self defense

The democrats have consistently come down on the side of the first half of each of these statements, the republicans on the other. Once upon a time the political left and the political right shared a vision for the future of America and differed on the methods to get there. There is no longer a shared vision. The social compact is broken. There are no centrists in 2024.

What you are seeing is a war for the future of the nation fought with plowshares. So long as the electoral process remains constitutional, it will remain in the realm of plowshares. But I noticed that Senate democrats just introduced a bill to do away with the electoral college. They have learned nothing.

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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I can't speak for FLA, but we need more centrists on both sides. Unfortunately, those days are gone. MAGA nut jobs are the GOP. Just miss the days when from when the dems and reps both had centrists that could work together to get things done. Not all this rancor from both sides.

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There is a center between a 15% tax rate and a 35% tax rate.

There is no center between

...nuclear war and no nuclear war.
...men can become pregnant and men cannot become pregnant.
...transing the kids and not transing the kids.
...censorship and free speech
...the demand to submit to crime and the right to self defense

The democrats have consistently come down on the side of the first half of each of these statements, the republicans on the other. Once upon a time the political left and the political right shared a vision for the future of America and differed on the methods to get there. There is no longer a shared vision. The social compact is broken. There are no centrists in 2024.

What you are seeing is a war for the future of the nation fought with plowshares. So long as the electoral process remains constitutional, it will remain in the realm of plowshares. But I noticed that Senate democrats just introduced a bill to do away with the electoral college. They have learned nothing.

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It's incredible to me that so-called conservatives immediately call for compromise with the current iteration of the party you correctly described.

I suspect there will be things we can still find common ground on, but any "conservative" calling for compromise with the evil (yes, evil) worldview currently held by Democrat leadership - a worldview roundly rejected by the American people - either isn't thinking clearly or isn't really all that conservative.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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I can't speak for FLA, but we need more centrists on both sides. Unfortunately, those days are gone. MAGA nut jobs are the GOP. Just miss the days when from when the dems and reps both had centrists that could work together to get things done. Not all this rancor from both sides.

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There is a center between a 15% tax rate and a 35% tax rate.

There is no center between

...nuclear war and no nuclear war.
...men can become pregnant and men cannot become pregnant.
...transing the kids and not transing the kids.
...censorship and free speech
...the demand to submit to crime and the right to self defense

The democrats have consistently come down on the side of the first half of each of these statements, the republicans on the other. Once upon a time the political left and the political right shared a vision for the future of America and differed on the methods to get there. There is no longer a shared vision. The social compact is broken. There are no centrists in 2024.

What you are seeing is a war for the future of the nation fought with plowshares. So long as the electoral process remains constitutional, it will remain in the realm of plowshares. But I noticed that Senate democrats just introduced a bill to do away with the electoral college. They have learned nothing.

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It's incredible to me that so-called conservatives immediately call for compromise with the current iteration of the party you correctly described.

I suspect there will be things we can still find common ground on, but any "conservative" calling for compromise with the evil (yes, evil) worldview currently held by Democrat leadership - a worldview roundly rejected by the American people - either isn't thinking clearly or isn't really all that conservative.

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"I suspect there will be things we can still find common ground on"

How is that different from what myself and several others have said? We have to find common ground on some of the nuts and bolts stuff. It is not optional with the Congressional makeup. Keep in mind, GOP has Collins and Murkowski. They go either way, they are not "in-line"

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FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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Married A Horn said:

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You go first... come to the center.

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This is what you maga fail to understand. I am centrist. Voted dem1 time in my 30 yrs of voting. I'm basically a Regan Republican. Now extinct because of maga and yall axe to grind. Playing the victim!

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Post of the Year. Reagan Republican's are now considered liberals...

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FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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Married A Horn said:

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You go first... come to the center.

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This is what you maga fail to understand. I am centrist. Voted dem1 time in my 30 yrs of voting. I'm basically a Regan Republican. Now extinct because of maga and yall axe to grind. Playing the victim!

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Post of the Year. Reagan Republican's are now considered liberals...

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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Married A Horn said:

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You go first... come to the center.

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This is what you maga fail to understand. I am centrist. Voted dem1 time in my 30 yrs of voting. I'm basically a Regan Republican. Now extinct because of maga and yall axe to grind. Playing the victim!

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Post of the Year. Reagan Republican's are now considered liberals...

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laughably un-true

[the Reagan coalition in the Republican Party, which centered around Ronald Reagan and his administration throughout all of the 1980s consisted of five factions: the libertarians, the traditionalists, the anti-communists, the neoconservatives, and the religious right ]

The modern MAGA movement is very much a continuation of this tradition.

With the biggest difference being a dislike of the neo-cons (after decades of foreign policy disasters in the Middle East)

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Well, there are a few others...
• working with Congress
• immigration
• Reagan's 11th Amendment? (Do Not Speak Poorly of a fellow GOP member)
• Free Trade
• Embracing equality of all

Redbrickbear said:

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More of the respectable bipartisan democrats

BREAKING: Senate Democrats have introduced a bill to abolish the Electoral College, claiming it will “restore Democracy.”

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) December 16, 2024

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