Just the kind of guy with all the qualifications Trump wants in an AG.

Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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That's what the hearings were about. Compiling evidence. Testimony, payments etc. The report is based upon evidence.

TexasScientist said:

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Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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That's what the hearings were about. Compiling evidence. Testimony, payments etc. The report is based upon evidence.

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The Bi-partisan report, for those who want to believe this is a Dem conspiracy.

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TexasScientist said:

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Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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That's what the hearings were about. Compiling evidence. Testimony, payments etc. The report is based upon evidence.

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The Bi-partisan report, for those who want to believe this is a Dem conspiracy.

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Its no "dem conspiracy" but it broke down on partisan lines

House committee voted against it at first...on party lines

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/20/matt-gaetz-house-ethics-report

Later on two Republicans (going against the wished of the Committee leader and the leader of the House) then joined with the Democrats to release it.

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-house-ethics-committee-joyce-garbarino


Joyce (R-Ohio) and Garbarino (R-N.Y.) have also had a lot of friction with Gaetz (R-Florida) in the past so there could be a little big of back room revenge going on here as well.


We also don't know who was in charge of gathering the evidence on this committee.

(for instance there have been other committee investigations in the past that ended up being very misleading....because it was all about what people they were talking to...just for reference)

TexasScientist said:

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Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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The report is based upon evidence.

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That evidence can also often just be hearsay and oral reports from people (and not include oral reports from other people that might contradict it)

(not defending or attacking this specific case)

But have we forgetting about all the misleading Congressional Committee investigations in our History?

There is a reason people are not convicted in a Court of Law based on a mere Congressional Committee investigation....they are political by their very nature and not exactly interested in getting to the truth so much as a politically convenient conclusion

Redbrickbear said:

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fubar said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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That's what the hearings were about. Compiling evidence. Testimony, payments etc. The report is based upon evidence.

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The Bi-partisan report, for those who want to believe this is a Dem conspiracy.

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Its no "dem conspiracy" but it broke down on partisan lines

House committee voted against it at first...on party lines

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/20/matt-gaetz-house-ethics-report

Later on two Republicans (going against the wished of the Committee leader and the leader of the House) then joined with the Democrats to release it.

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-house-ethics-committee-joyce-garbarino


Joyce (R-Ohio) and Garbarino (R-N.Y.) have also had a lot of friction if Gaetz (R-Florida) in the past so there could be a little big of back room revenge going on here as well.


We also don't know know who was in charge of gathering the evidence on this committee.

(for instance there have been other committee investigations in the past that ended up being very misleading....because it was all about what people they were talking to...just for reference)

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Gaetz had an opportunity to comply with subpoenas to clear it all up if he was innocent.

Redbrickbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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The report is based upon evidence.

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That evidence can also often just be hearsay and oral reports from people (and not include oral reports from other people that might contradict it)

(not defending or attacking this specific case)

But have we forgetting about all the misleading Congressional Committee investigations in our History?

There is a reason people are not convicted in a Court of Law based on a mere Congressional Committee investigation....they are political by their very nature and not exactly interested in getting to the truth so much as a politically convenient conclusion

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I guess you said the same thing about other congressional inquiries too. Gaetz had the opportunity to appear before the committee to clear it all up. No doubt he's the kind of guy who should be AG in a Trump administration.

TexasScientist said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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fubar said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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That's what the hearings were about. Compiling evidence. Testimony, payments etc. The report is based upon evidence.

---

The Bi-partisan report, for those who want to believe this is a Dem conspiracy.

---

Its no "dem conspiracy" but it broke down on partisan lines

House committee voted against it at first...on party lines

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/20/matt-gaetz-house-ethics-report

Later on two Republicans (going against the wished of the Committee leader and the leader of the House) then joined with the Democrats to release it.

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-house-ethics-committee-joyce-garbarino


Joyce (R-Ohio) and Garbarino (R-N.Y.) have also had a lot of friction if Gaetz (R-Florida) in the past so there could be a little big of back room revenge going on here as well.


We also don't know know who was in charge of gathering the evidence on this committee.

(for instance there have been other committee investigations in the past that ended up being very misleading....because it was all about what people they were talking to...just for reference)

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Gaetz had an opportunity to comply with subpoenas to clear it all up if he was innocent.

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It's a good point

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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sombear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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sombear said:

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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.

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since the news came out, I've yet to see anyone defend him. Have you?

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Half the posters on here and virtually every MAGA influencer is either outright defending him, questioning the evidence, or playing whataboutism.

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it's pointing out hypocrisy.

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Sombear does not like it when you point out hypocrisy on the Left

I forget if he is still claiming on here to be a "principled conservative" or not

I get these Liz Cheney-Republican types confused all the time since they are indistinguishable from Clinton-Democrats

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Don't agree with this. Sombear is one of the most consistent and principled members of this board.

He's correct that there is a double standard here. The same posters who decried Biden as a pedophile based on statements made in an alleged stolen diary are the posters questioning the evidence against Gaetz (when there is a mountain of evidence against Gaetz by comparison). I am no criminal lawyer, but I can say with certainty that the amount of sworn deposition testimony against him would be damning in any civil trial.

Gaetz is a POS. I may agree with a number of the things he believes, politically, but that doesn't change the fact he's a POS. Does it mean he committed a crime? Apparently not, but he's still a scumbag of the tallest order.

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Alleged stolen diary? The one the FBI raided journalists to recover? The one Ashley admitted she left behind? The one we have photographs of the entry in question? That's a lot more than merely alleged.

Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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sombear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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sombear said:

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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.

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since the news came out, I've yet to see anyone defend him. Have you?

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Half the posters on here and virtually every MAGA influencer is either outright defending him, questioning the evidence, or playing whataboutism.

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it's pointing out hypocrisy.

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Sombear does not like it when you point out hypocrisy on the Left

I forget if he is still claiming on here to be a "principled conservative" or not

I get these Liz Cheney-Republican types confused all the time since they are indistinguishable from Clinton-Democrats

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Don't agree with this. Sombear is one of the most consistent and principled members of this board.

He's correct that there is a double standard here. The same posters who decried Biden as a pedophile based on statements made in an alleged stolen diary are the posters questioning the evidence against Gaetz (when there is a mountain of evidence against Gaetz by comparison). I am no criminal lawyer, but I can say with certainty that the amount of sworn deposition testimony against him would be damning in any civil trial.

Gaetz is a POS. I may agree with a number of the things he believes, politically, but that doesn't change the fact he's a POS. Does it mean he committed a crime? Apparently not, but he's still a scumbag of the tallest order.

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Alleged stolen diary? The one the FBI raided journalists to recover? The one Ashley admitted she left behind? The one we have photographs of the entry in question? That's a lot more than merely alleged.

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Just so I am clear, you are convinced that is sufficient evidence to prove that Biden is a pedophile, but the scores of witnesses and deposition testimony that say Gaetz was using drugs, having sex with underage girls and paying off women for sex is not very credible?

Tell me you are a partisan hack without telling me you are a partisan hack

Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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sombear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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sombear said:

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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.

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since the news came out, I've yet to see anyone defend him. Have you?

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Half the posters on here and virtually every MAGA influencer is either outright defending him, questioning the evidence, or playing whataboutism.

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it's pointing out hypocrisy.

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Sombear does not like it when you point out hypocrisy on the Left

I forget if he is still claiming on here to be a "principled conservative" or not

I get these Liz Cheney-Republican types confused all the time since they are indistinguishable from Clinton-Democrats

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Don't agree with this. Sombear is one of the most consistent and principled members of this board.

He's correct that there is a double standard here. The same posters who decried Biden as a pedophile based on statements made in an alleged stolen diary are the posters questioning the evidence against Gaetz (when there is a mountain of evidence against Gaetz by comparison). I am no criminal lawyer, but I can say with certainty that the amount of sworn deposition testimony against him would be damning in any civil trial.

Gaetz is a POS. I may agree with a number of the things he believes, politically, but that doesn't change the fact he's a POS. Does it mean he committed a crime? Apparently not, but he's still a scumbag of the tallest order.

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Alleged stolen diary? The one the FBI raided journalists to recover? The one Ashley admitted she left behind? The one we have photographs of the entry in question? That's a lot more than merely alleged.

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Just so I am clear, you are convinced that is sufficient evidence to prove that Biden is a pedophile, but the scores of witnesses and deposition testimony that say Gaetz was using drugs, having sex with underage girls and paying off women for sex is not very credible?

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I keep hearing about all the people who said they witnessed him having sex with under age girls but then only one 17 year old gets mentioned specifically and none of the accusers are listed. The accusations sound exactly the same as those levied by democrats every time the try to character assassinate a Republican. The accusations against Biden were levied BY HIS OWN DAUGHTER. That added to the hours of footage we all witnessed of Biden groping and sniffing every kid he could get his hands on and stories of getting kids to rub his legs when he was a lifeguard and it's not hard to believe Joe is a child predator. You want evidence of a partisan hack, find me someone who starts calling evidence that was verified years ago "alleged". Next you'll claim hunters laptop is merely alleged to exist.

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Like I said, tell me you're a partisan hack without telling me you're a partisan hack. When you feel a diary that doesn't actually accuse Biden of being a pedophile is credible evidence of pedophilia but numerous sworn witnesses who witnessed Gaetz engaging in such behavior isn't, then you might be a partisan hack.

Mothra said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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sombear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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sombear said:

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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.

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since the news came out, I've yet to see anyone defend him. Have you?

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Half the posters on here and virtually every MAGA influencer is either outright defending him, questioning the evidence, or playing whataboutism.

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it's pointing out hypocrisy.

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Sombear does not like it when you point out hypocrisy on the Left

I forget if he is still claiming on here to be a "principled conservative" or not

I get these Liz Cheney-Republican types confused all the time since they are indistinguishable from Clinton-Democrats

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Don't agree with this. Sombear is one of the most consistent and principled members of this board.

He's correct that there is a double standard here. The same posters who decried Biden as a pedophile based on statements made in an alleged stolen diary are the posters questioning the evidence against Gaetz (when there is a mountain of evidence against Gaetz by comparison). I am no criminal lawyer, but I can say with certainty that the amount of sworn deposition testimony against him would be damning in any civil trial.

Gaetz is a POS. I may agree with a number of the things he believes, politically, but that doesn't change the fact he's a POS. Does it mean he committed a crime? Apparently not, but he's still a scumbag of the tallest order.

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Alleged stolen diary? The one the FBI raided journalists to recover? The one Ashley admitted she left behind? The one we have photographs of the entry in question? That's a lot more than merely alleged.

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Just so I am clear, you are convinced that is sufficient evidence to prove that Biden is a pedophile, but the scores of witnesses and deposition testimony that say Gaetz was using drugs, having sex with underage girls and paying off women for sex is not very credible?

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I keep hearing about all the people who said they witnessed him having sex with under age girls but then only one 17 year old gets mentioned specifically and none of the accusers are listed. The accusations sound exactly the same as those levied by democrats every time the try to character assassinate a Republican. The accusations against Biden were levied BY HIS OWN DAUGHTER. That added to the hours of footage we all witnessed of Biden groping and sniffing every kid he could get his hands on and stories of getting kids to rub his legs when he was a lifeguard and it's not hard to believe Joe is a child predator. You want evidence of a partisan hack, find me someone who starts calling evidence that was verified years ago "alleged". Next you'll claim hunters laptop is merely alleged to exist.

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Like I said, tell me you're a partisan hack without telling me you're a partisan hack. When you feel a diary that doesn't actually accuse Biden of being a pedophile is credible evidence of pedophilia but numerous sworn witnesses who witnessed Gaetz engaging in such behavior isn't, then you might be a partisan hack.

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Yeah, I'm sure the inappropriate showers with her father were really just innocent fun that she got twisted in her memory as she tried to recover from a drug problem and wrote about in her recovery diary. A partisan hack would look at photographic evidence and still claim it's merely alleged to exist. Gaetz MIGHT be guilty of everything alleged, but for some reason there hasn't been enough evidence to bring forth charges from anyone. But you go on ignoring that in order to convict him for the sake of your argument. That's not partisan hack behavior at all...

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The fact that Trump knew all of this and tried to have him appointed as AG speaks volumes about Trump and MAGA.

About half of American voters don't give a **** about rape, drugs or ethics.

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All the ones that voted for Biden.

TexasScientist said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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The report is based upon evidence.

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That evidence can also often just be hearsay and oral reports from people (and not include oral reports from other people that might contradict it)

(not defending or attacking this specific case)

But have we forgetting about all the misleading Congressional Committee investigations in our History?

There is a reason people are not convicted in a Court of Law based on a mere Congressional Committee investigation....they are political by their very nature and not exactly interested in getting to the truth so much as a politically convenient conclusion

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I guess you said the same thing about other congressional inquiries too. Gaetz had the opportunity to appear before the committee to clear it all up. No doubt he's the kind of guy who should be AG in a Trump administration.

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Only if he was a mentally i'll man in a dress he'd have the single qualification to be a Biden.

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TexasScientist said:

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Just the kind of guy with all the qualifications Trump wants in an AG.

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And you know what's truly incredible about it? He's still 100 fold better than the disaster that was Biden.

But we all know you don't care about horrible democrats and their policies

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Goes to show what you think is not always correct. I don't support Democrats nor their policies. I do try to be objective and fair in my opinions and assessments. A broken watch is correct twice per day.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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The report is based upon evidence.

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That evidence can also often just be hearsay and oral reports from people (and not include oral reports from other people that might contradict it)

(not defending or attacking this specific case)

But have we forgetting about all the misleading Congressional Committee investigations in our History?

There is a reason people are not convicted in a Court of Law based on a mere Congressional Committee investigation....they are political by their very nature and not exactly interested in getting to the truth so much as a politically convenient conclusion

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I guess you said the same thing about other congressional inquiries too. Gaetz had the opportunity to appear before the committee to clear it all up. No doubt he's the kind of guy who should be AG in a Trump administration.

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Only if he was a mentally i'll man in a dress he'd have the single qualification to be a Biden.

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That's irrelevant. Trump is the one making the appointments.

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Dude, you just don't get it. Do you have any daughters?

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None that I am aware of. Does having daughters change the definition of evidence?

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I didn't think you did or you and your MAGA arse wouldn't have the Trumpy Bear cavalier attitude to child rape. You good with coke and X use? You are pathetic.

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You voted for Joe Biden. You unapologetically support actual child rape and incest. You have no room to talk about Gaetz allegedly consensually nailing a 17 year old. I'm old enough to recall when you claimed your only gripe with Orange Man Bad was his destruction of the Republican Party and ruining their chances of taking control in Washington.
You whined about Trump losing both Congress and the Senate. Pepperage Farms isn't the only one who remembers. Now that Trump's last election proves your theory to be bull**** here you are, still toeing the DNC line. What a shock.

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huh? Show me where I ever said I voted for Biden. Also, please enlighten me relative to me supporting "actual child rape and incest"? That is crossing the line. You have lost your little mind, son. You are a bad dude without touch with reality.

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"You support child rape because you support innocent until proven guilty!" "Yeah well you support child rape and incest because you campaign against anyone who runs against a man who literally molested his own daughter and sniffs children publicly." "DATS CROSSING DUH LINE!"

Lol, dude, just shut the hell up. You're embarrassing yourself. You been drinking tonight, Junior?

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just how old are you? You out of college yet? You are out of control, and are giving timber and old for blindness to reality. Seriously, how old are you? You obviously don't have much life experience.

J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Dude, you just don't get it. Do you have any daughters?

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None that I am aware of. Does having daughters change the definition of evidence?

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I didn't think you did or you and your MAGA arse wouldn't have the Trumpy Bear cavalier attitude to child rape. You good with coke and X use? You are pathetic.

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You voted for Joe Biden. You unapologetically support actual child rape and incest. You have no room to talk about Gaetz allegedly consensually nailing a 17 year old. I'm old enough to recall when you claimed your only gripe with Orange Man Bad was his destruction of the Republican Party and ruining their chances of taking control in Washington.
You whined about Trump losing both Congress and the Senate. Pepperage Farms isn't the only one who remembers. Now that Trump's last election proves your theory to be bull**** here you are, still toeing the DNC line. What a shock.

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huh? Show me where I ever said I voted for Biden. Also, please enlighten me relative to me supporting "actual child rape and incest"? That is crossing the line. You have lost your little mind, son. You are a bad dude without touch with reality.

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"You support child rape because you support innocent until proven guilty!" "Yeah well you support child rape and incest because you campaign against anyone who runs against a man who literally molested his own daughter and sniffs children publicly." "DATS CROSSING DUH LINE!"

Lol, dude, just shut the hell up. You're embarrassing yourself. You been drinking tonight, Junior?

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just how old are you? You out of college yet? You are out of control, and are giving timber and old for blindness to reality. Seriously, how old are you? You obviously don't have much life experience.

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Yoi give the most emotional responses to people who treat you the same way you treat them. Newsflash; you aren't special. You don't get to insult people and run your mouth and then act aghast when it gets returned your direction. Read that as many times as it takes for it to sink in. Your SicEm365 experience will greatly improve if you can learn it.

Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Dude, you just don't get it. Do you have any daughters?

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None that I am aware of. Does having daughters change the definition of evidence?

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I didn't think you did or you and your MAGA arse wouldn't have the Trumpy Bear cavalier attitude to child rape. You good with coke and X use? You are pathetic.

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You voted for Joe Biden. You unapologetically support actual child rape and incest. You have no room to talk about Gaetz allegedly consensually nailing a 17 year old. I'm old enough to recall when you claimed your only gripe with Orange Man Bad was his destruction of the Republican Party and ruining their chances of taking control in Washington.
You whined about Trump losing both Congress and the Senate. Pepperage Farms isn't the only one who remembers. Now that Trump's last election proves your theory to be bull**** here you are, still toeing the DNC line. What a shock.

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huh? Show me where I ever said I voted for Biden. Also, please enlighten me relative to me supporting "actual child rape and incest"? That is crossing the line. You have lost your little mind, son. You are a bad dude without touch with reality.

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"You support child rape because you support innocent until proven guilty!" "Yeah well you support child rape and incest because you campaign against anyone who runs against a man who literally molested his own daughter and sniffs children publicly." "DATS CROSSING DUH LINE!"

Lol, dude, just shut the hell up. You're embarrassing yourself. You been drinking tonight, Junior?

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just how old are you? You out of college yet? You are out of control, and are giving timber and old for blindness to reality. Seriously, how old are you? You obviously don't have much life experience.

---

Yoi give the most emotional responses to people who treat you the same way you treat them. Newsflash; you aren't special. You don't get to insult people and run your mouth and then act aghast when it gets returned your direction. Read that as many times as it takes for it to sink in. Your SicEm365 experience will greatly improve if you can learn it.

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you and your ilk have turned this forum into a cesspool. and you would be how old? Curious what you do for a living if you're still not in college. don't know who would hire you.

J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Dude, you just don't get it. Do you have any daughters?

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None that I am aware of. Does having daughters change the definition of evidence?

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I didn't think you did or you and your MAGA arse wouldn't have the Trumpy Bear cavalier attitude to child rape. You good with coke and X use? You are pathetic.

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You voted for Joe Biden. You unapologetically support actual child rape and incest. You have no room to talk about Gaetz allegedly consensually nailing a 17 year old. I'm old enough to recall when you claimed your only gripe with Orange Man Bad was his destruction of the Republican Party and ruining their chances of taking control in Washington.
You whined about Trump losing both Congress and the Senate. Pepperage Farms isn't the only one who remembers. Now that Trump's last election proves your theory to be bull**** here you are, still toeing the DNC line. What a shock.

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huh? Show me where I ever said I voted for Biden. Also, please enlighten me relative to me supporting "actual child rape and incest"? That is crossing the line. You have lost your little mind, son. You are a bad dude without touch with reality.

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"You support child rape because you support innocent until proven guilty!" "Yeah well you support child rape and incest because you campaign against anyone who runs against a man who literally molested his own daughter and sniffs children publicly." "DATS CROSSING DUH LINE!"

Lol, dude, just shut the hell up. You're embarrassing yourself. You been drinking tonight, Junior?

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just how old are you? You out of college yet? You are out of control, and are giving timber and old for blindness to reality. Seriously, how old are you? You obviously don't have much life experience.

---

Yoi give the most emotional responses to people who treat you the same way you treat them. Newsflash; you aren't special. You don't get to insult people and run your mouth and then act aghast when it gets returned your direction. Read that as many times as it takes for it to sink in. Your SicEm365 experience will greatly improve if you can learn it.

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you and your ilk have turned this forum into a cesspool. and you would be how old? Curious what you do for a living if you're still not in college. don't know who would hire you.

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That's what I thought. Ever the victim. Not even an ounce of accountability.

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Redbrickbear said:

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fubar said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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That's what the hearings were about. Compiling evidence. Testimony, payments etc. The report is based upon evidence.

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The Bi-partisan report, for those who want to believe this is a Dem conspiracy.

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Its no "dem conspiracy" but it broke down on partisan lines

House committee voted against it at first...on party lines

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/20/matt-gaetz-house-ethics-report

Later on two Republicans (going against the wished of the Committee leader and the leader of the House) then joined with the Democrats to release it.

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/23/matt-gaetz-house-ethics-committee-joyce-garbarino


Joyce (R-Ohio) and Garbarino (R-N.Y.) have also had a lot of friction if Gaetz (R-Florida) in the past so there could be a little big of back room revenge going on here as well.


We also don't know know who was in charge of gathering the evidence on this committee.

(for instance there have been other committee investigations in the past that ended up being very misleading....because it was all about what people they were talking to...just for reference)

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Gaetz had an opportunity to comply with subpoenas to clear it all up if he was innocent.

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Here you're supposed to prove guilt, not call someone guilty until they prove their innocence.

"A broken watch is correct twice per day."

Not a watch that is broken because its battery is dead ...


or someone who only shows up to take the Left's side in an argument.

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sombear said:

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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.

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Vast majority of GOP moderates will bail at the first sign of choppy water, no matter how flimsy the allegations. No stomach for the fight at all. Which of course guarantees character assassination via allegation of anyone who is effective.

INSANE: House Report On Matt Gaetz Relies On Witnesses Even The Corrupt DOJ Found Completely Lacked Any Credibility Whatsoever https://t.co/KEYb2yBgVU

— Mollie (@MZHemingway) December 23, 2024

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Not true at all. Media and Dems have tried character assassination against every major GOP political figure since Reagan, and the party has stayed mostly unified. Who did the "moderates" ever prematurely bail on?

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LOL

ever heard of Donald Trump?

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sombear said:

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sombear said:

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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.

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Vast majority of GOP moderates will bail at the first sign of choppy water, no matter how flimsy the allegations. No stomach for the fight at all. Which of course guarantees character assassination via allegation of anyone who is effective.

INSANE: House Report On Matt Gaetz Relies On Witnesses Even The Corrupt DOJ Found Completely Lacked Any Credibility Whatsoever https://t.co/KEYb2yBgVU

— Mollie (@MZHemingway) December 23, 2024

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Not true at all. Media and Dems have tried character assassination against every major GOP political figure since Reagan, and the party has stayed mostly unified. Who did the "moderates" ever prematurely bail on?

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LOL

ever heard of Donald Trump?

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Well, your post painted with a far broader brush.

As for Trump, whether you agree with it or not (I know you don't) can you not understand the backlash?

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sombear said:

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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.

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Vast majority of GOP moderates will bail at the first sign of choppy water, no matter how flimsy the allegations. No stomach for the fight at all. Which of course guarantees character assassination via allegation of anyone who is effective.

INSANE: House Report On Matt Gaetz Relies On Witnesses Even The Corrupt DOJ Found Completely Lacked Any Credibility Whatsoever https://t.co/KEYb2yBgVU

— Mollie (@MZHemingway) December 23, 2024

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Not true at all. Media and Dems have tried character assassination against every major GOP political figure since Reagan, and the party has stayed mostly unified. Who did the "moderates" ever prematurely bail on?

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LOL

ever heard of Donald Trump?

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Well, your post painted with a far broader brush.

As for Trump, whether you agree with it or not (I know you don't) can you not understand the backlash?

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No. It's called TDS. When the parade of Democrats that Biden voters have zero problem with it is in fact insanity. And most all those people are entirely meritless. Obama, kamala, biden, the list goes on and on and on. Murder, rape, lies that kill people, abortion / murder, homosexuality, Marxism, etc etc

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Wangchung said:

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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?

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The report is based upon evidence.

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That evidence can also often just be hearsay and oral reports from people (and not include oral reports from other people that might contradict it)

(not defending or attacking this specific case)

But have we forgetting about all the misleading Congressional Committee investigations in our History?

There is a reason people are not convicted in a Court of Law based on a mere Congressional Committee investigation....they are political by their very nature and not exactly interested in getting to the truth so much as a politically convenient conclusion

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I guess you said the same thing about other congressional inquiries too. Gaetz had the opportunity to appear before the committee to clear it all up. No doubt he's the kind of guy who should be AG in a Trump administration.

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Only if he was a mentally i'll man in a dress he'd have the single qualification to be a Biden.

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That's irrelevant. Trump is the one making the appointments.

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I guess you're probably right ... Biden probably had no input into appointing the mentally ill idiot dude that so mismanaged covid he killed lots of seniors but saved his mother ... his only qualification is he's mentally ill that wears a dress to work.

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Dude, you just don't get it. Do you have any daughters?

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None that I am aware of. Does having daughters change the definition of evidence?

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I didn't think you did or you and your MAGA arse wouldn't have the Trumpy Bear cavalier attitude to child rape. You good with coke and X use? You are pathetic.

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You voted for Joe Biden. You unapologetically support actual child rape and incest. You have no room to talk about Gaetz allegedly consensually nailing a 17 year old. I'm old enough to recall when you claimed your only gripe with Orange Man Bad was his destruction of the Republican Party and ruining their chances of taking control in Washington.
You whined about Trump losing both Congress and the Senate. Pepperage Farms isn't the only one who remembers. Now that Trump's last election proves your theory to be bull**** here you are, still toeing the DNC line. What a shock.

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huh? Show me where I ever said I voted for Biden. Also, please enlighten me relative to me supporting "actual child rape and incest"? That is crossing the line. You have lost your little mind, son. You are a bad dude without touch with reality.

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"You support child rape because you support innocent until proven guilty!" "Yeah well you support child rape and incest because you campaign against anyone who runs against a man who literally molested his own daughter and sniffs children publicly." "DATS CROSSING DUH LINE!"

Lol, dude, just shut the hell up. You're embarrassing yourself. You been drinking tonight, Junior?

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just how old are you? You out of college yet? You are out of control, and are giving timber and old for blindness to reality. Seriously, how old are you? You obviously don't have much life experience.

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Yoi give the most emotional responses to people who treat you the same way you treat them. Newsflash; you aren't special. You don't get to insult people and run your mouth and then act aghast when it gets returned your direction. Read that as many times as it takes for it to sink in. Your SicEm365 experience will greatly improve if you can learn it.

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you and your ilk have turned this forum into a cesspool. and you would be how old? Curious what you do for a living if you're still not in college. don't know who would hire you.

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thanks quash. great insights.

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sombear said:

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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.

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Vast majority of GOP moderates will bail at the first sign of choppy water, no matter how flimsy the allegations. No stomach for the fight at all. Which of course guarantees character assassination via allegation of anyone who is effective.

INSANE: House Report On Matt Gaetz Relies On Witnesses Even The Corrupt DOJ Found Completely Lacked Any Credibility Whatsoever https://t.co/KEYb2yBgVU

— Mollie (@MZHemingway) December 23, 2024

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Not true at all. Media and Dems have tried character assassination against every major GOP political figure since Reagan, and the party has stayed mostly unified. Who did the "moderates" ever prematurely bail on?

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LOL

ever heard of Donald Trump?

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Well, your post painted with a far broader brush.

As for Trump, whether you agree with it or not (I know you don't) can you not understand the backlash?

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sure, he's not presidential in the conventional sense of the term. but, then, what has that gotten us...."presidential demeanor"...? Obama was positively regal in demeanor, a god on high. Clinton and Reagan wore the suit well and spoke in folksy, endearing tone, broadly likeable. But we have a $35T national debt with annual deficits on track to hit $3.5T for this FY alone. Our military is being indoctrinated by skit-wearing men that climate change is the greatest enemy we face. And tax dollars are being spent to welcome and distribute illegal aliens all across the US despite strong popular will for mass deportations. I mean, the list of grievances could go on for a while........

It is really unreasonable to conclude it's time for Jesus to start turning over tables in the market?

Almost without exception, the allegations against Trump and his admin were hoaxes. The lawfare against Trump was a far more grievous assault on rule of law than anything Trump did.

Over and over and over again, Trump's attackers displayed greater character flaws than Trump himself.

So many people who call themselves conservative do so to signal their "style" of politics - serious, quiet, wonky nuts & bolts administration of public affairs. The opposition to Democrats has far less to do with policy than with the raucous populism of leftist activists. So it's not surprising that they would shy away from Trumpist populism on the right. Problem is, Democrats know a lot of conservatives are like that, and they savage anyone on the right who is effective.

Democrats don't do that. The NEVER apologize for what their leaders or grassroots say or do. They let them go do the dirty work of moving the Overton Window (knowing that the GOP will spend most of its political capital trying to isolate the loudest voices in the GOP base.)

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While I typically take these sorts of congressional reports with a huge grain of salt, it's clear based on the corroborating witnesses this guy is a huge d bag.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/23/us-news/matt-gaetz-used-illicit-drugs-while-paying-for-sex-with-multiple-women-including-17-year-old-ethics-probe/

Matt Gaetz used illicit drugs while paying for sex with multiple women including 17-year-old, ethics probe finds

Former Rep. Matt Gaetz was allegedly found to have used illegal drugs like cocaine and ecstasy while paying for sex with multiple women including a 17-year-old high school junior he had sex with in front of other people, according to a damning draft of the House Ethics Committee report.

The 37-page investigation conclusion alleged that Gaetz refused to comply with a subpoena demanding an interview and "intentionally withheld information," according to a copy obtained by Just the News.

Still, "the Committee determined there is substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz violated House Rules and other standards of conduct prohibiting prostitution, statutory rape, illicit drug use, impermissible gifts, special favors or privileges, and obstruction of Congress," it alleged.

"From 2017 to 2020, Representative Gaetz made tens of thousands of dollars in payments to women that the Committee determined were likely in connection with sexual activity and/or drug use," it alleged.

The committee said that it received testimony indicating that at a party in 2017, Gaetz engaged in sexual acts with "Victim A," who was just 17 years old and had recently completed her junior year in high school.

Gaetz had sex twice during the party, including at least once in the presence of other party attendees," the draft report alleged.

"Victim A said that she did not inform Representative Gaetz that she was under 18 at the time, nor did he ask her age," it said stressing that the girl not telling him her age does not matter under Florida law.
However, the investigation did not think Gaetz violated sex trafficking laws.

[url=https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/us-news/gaetz-admits-he-partied-womanized-and-drank-but-denies-having-sex-with-minor-ahead-of-ethics-reports-release/][/url]Matt Gaetz admits he partied, womanized and drank but denies having sex with minor ahead of ethics report's release
[url=https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/us-news/gaetz-admits-he-partied-womanized-and-drank-but-denies-having-sex-with-minor-ahead-of-ethics-reports-release/][/url]
Gaetz confirmed to Just the News late Sunday that the draft matched details he was told would be in it.
He denied the allegations, saying any payments were gifts to girlfriends and again noting that no charges had ever been brought.

He maintained that allegations he "may have engaged in sexual misconduct including violations of federal laws relating to sex trafficking and state laws relating to prostitution and statutory rape," were "false" and that "[t]hese allegations were investigated by the Department of Justice and the investigation was completely dropped."

He also denied using illicit drugs and having sex with a minor.

Among the report's most shocking findings were allegations of drug- and sex-fueled parties, including a 2018 trip to the Bahamas where witnesses claimed he used ecstasy and had sexual encounters with four women.
The report indicated that the women who testified about their sexual encounters with Gaetz said it was consensual.

However, one noted that drug use at the parties might have "impair[ed their] ability to really know what was going on or fully consent," while another said, "When I look back on certain moments, I feel violated."

"Victim A recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex," the committee wrote.

The report also allegedly found "substantial evidence" of Gaetz's illicit drug use.

The committee said it obtained text messages he sent referring to drugs as "party favors," "rolls" or "vitamins."
The investigation also found Gaetz created a fake email from his Capitol Hill office "for the purpose of purchasing marijuana," it alleged.

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Yeah, AG material...

Don't tell me, made up or should never have been looked at. Right JillBear? Donald know best.

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"A broken watch is correct twice per day."

Not a watch that is broken because its battery is dead ...


or someone who only shows up to take the Left's side in an argument.

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You are such a Donald Homer... You see it as taking the Left's side? Not that the guy has a real problem and broke ethics rules and laws. Baa, Baa...

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Oldbear83 said:

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"A broken watch is correct twice per day."

Not a watch that is broken because its battery is dead ...


or someone who only shows up to take the Left's side in an argument.

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You are such a Donald Homer... You see it as taking the Left's side? Not that the guy has a real problem and broke ethics rules and laws. Baa, Baa...

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I see a single young man who dabbled in hookers & blow on the WDC party scene. The rest of it is spin.

If he played the nice, milquetoast moderate, going along with everything GOP leadership asked for, we wouldn't even know his name.

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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.

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Vast majority of GOP moderates will bail at the first sign of choppy water, no matter how flimsy the allegations. No stomach for the fight at all. Which of course guarantees character assassination via allegation of anyone who is effective.

INSANE: House Report On Matt Gaetz Relies On Witnesses Even The Corrupt DOJ Found Completely Lacked Any Credibility Whatsoever https://t.co/KEYb2yBgVU

— Mollie (@MZHemingway) December 23, 2024

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Not true at all. Media and Dems have tried character assassination against every major GOP political figure since Reagan, and the party has stayed mostly unified. Who did the "moderates" ever prematurely bail on?

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LOL

ever heard of Donald Trump?

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Well, your post painted with a far broader brush.

As for Trump, whether you agree with it or not (I know you don't) can you not understand the backlash?

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sure, he's not presidential in the conventional sense of the term. but, then, what has that gotten us...."presidential demeanor"...? Obama was positively regal in demeanor, a god on high. Clinton and Reagan wore the suit well and spoke in folksy, endearing tone, broadly likeable. But we have a $35T national debt with annual deficits on track to hit $3.5T for this FY alone. Our military is being indoctrinated by skit-wearing men that climate change is the greatest enemy we face. And tax dollars are being spent to welcome and distribute illegal aliens all across the US despite strong popular will for mass deportations. I mean, the list of grievances could go on for a while........

It is really unreasonable to conclude it's time for Jesus to start turning over tables in the market?

Almost without exception, the allegations against Trump and his admin were hoaxes. The lawfare against Trump was a far more grievous assault on rule of law than anything Trump did.

Over and over and over again, Trump's attackers displayed greater character flaws than Trump himself.

So many people who call themselves conservative do so to signal their "style" of politics - serious, quiet, wonky nuts & bolts administration of public affairs. The opposition to Democrats has far less to do with policy than with the raucous populism of leftist activists. So it's not surprising that they would shy away from Trumpist populism on the right. Problem is, Democrats know a lot of conservatives are like that, and they savage anyone on the right who is effective.

Democrats don't do that. The NEVER apologize for what their leaders or grassroots say or do. They let them go do the dirty work of moving the Overton Window (knowing that the GOP will spend most of its political capital trying to isolate the loudest voices in the GOP base.)

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I agree with virtually all of this. I interpreted your earlier post as saying moderates have always hung conservatives out to dry at the slightest controversy.

That just isn't supported by the pre-Trump facts. In fact, if anything, conservatives (and I'm one) have kicked moderates to the curb even in blue states. Hence the overused "RINO."

I've posted about TDS since the earliest days of Trump. It's real. But to me, TDS is not a conservative who speaks out against Trump, but rather, one, thats all they do, and two, they have changed their positions and basically or actually become Dems due to their TDS. That includes, among many others, Kristol, Frum, Moore, Kinzinger, Rubin, Walsh, Cheney, Sykes, Boot, Brooks.

But there are others who have remained consistent - Erickson, most National Review folks, Romney, Douhat, Pence, Sasse, Amash, Benson, French (arguably). And I'm certainly not saying the latter group are always right. Far from it. But they have good faith, strong objections to Trump.