The real reason for Greenland

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Oldbear83
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FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

Did the White House release this, or someone else?

Looks odd, but what do I know?
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LTbear
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boognish_bear said:

I remember hearing about this effect a few years ago...but had forgotten about it



You forgot how maps work?
FLBear5630
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historian said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Where were you during the 4 years of Biden? Everything they did was an error, half of them self-inflicted to the rest harmful to America. They did not accomplish a single thing that benefitted America. Not one. The only positive result was their helping Trump to win in 2024, obviously not their intention.

I was against almost everything Biden did. The difference is that you guys only really mark the disagreements. The only 2 positives from Biden-era was selling Ukraine weapons and I agreed with working on Student Loans. That is pretty much it, the rest was a trainwreck.

That doesn't change Trump's horrendous way of trying to accomplish sound goals.
LTbear
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Redbrickbear said:



But how can Trump want shipping lanes opened by climate change when climate change is a hoax?
historian
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Biden repeatedly tried forgiving student loans, meaning we taxpayers would bd on the hook. That's a terrible idea by any rational measure. Considering how much taxpayer money was sent to Ukraine, only to prolong the war & make Europe more dangerous, that does not seem like a good idea either. Also, we must consider how corrupt Ukraine is, Biden's ties to that corruption, & the lack of real accounting for those billions it looks more and more like a typical Biden foreign policy disaster (think Afghanistan).

People seem to forget that Joe Biden's foreign policy reputation in Washington for decades was always to be wrong on everything. Literally. Anyone paying attention knew that the wisest course of action in any situation was the opposite of what Joe said. That was known long before he became VP, much less fake prez.

Those were both huge failures.
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Sam Lowry
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historian said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

The only positive result was their helping Trump to win in 2024, obviously not their intention.

That, and giving us something to talk about besides Trump's failures.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

The only positive result was their helping Trump to win in 2024, obviously not their intention.

That, and giving us something to talk about besides what Sam and FLBear want to call Trump's failures.

Corrected
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FLBear5630
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

The only positive result was their helping Trump to win in 2024, obviously not their intention.

That, and giving us something to talk about besides what Sam and FLBear want to call Trump's failures.

Corrected

Yeah, it is just the two of us...

Trump links Greenland threats to missing out on Nobel Prize
Trump to remain chairman of Gaza Board of Peace under new charter


The guy has lost it. You have Stephen Miller running the US domestically. They cut the ICE training down to 47 days, almost it half. You don't train, you get mistakes.


Redbrickbear
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LTbear said:

Redbrickbear said:



But how can Trump want shipping lanes opened by climate change when climate change is a hoax?


The world's climate has changed all kinds of ways and in all kinds of epochs. That is not a hoax

The idea that humans can have that much of an impact on global temperatures is possibly a hoax.

Especially when its primary goals are often about giving power to a small group of elites to control everything and everyone in the name of "stopping climate change"

Solar activity is the major controller of earth's climate, especially during the past 350 years, as we continue to thaw out from the Little Ice Age because of the warming from solar cycles and the end of the Maunder Minimum that took place right during the little Ice age.
LTbear
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Redbrickbear said:

LTbear said:

Redbrickbear said:



But how can Trump want shipping lanes opened by climate change when climate change is a hoax?


The world's climate has changed all kinds of ways and in all kinds of epochs. That is not a hoax

The idea that humans can have that much of an impact on global temperatures is possibly a hoax.

Especially when its primary goals are often about giving power to a small group of elites to control everything and everyone in the name of "stopping climate change"




Malankovitch cycles have controlled the climate for thousands of years in conjunction with carbon and other gas off-putting, which is related to things like weathering of certain rock types. Within the record, large influxes of greenhouse gases equates to climate change. No, it's not the only thing that controls it. But it is a well understood piece.

The sentence "anyone who thinks humans..." is as ignorant as my elementary school teacher who said "anyone who thinks humans will ever dent the oceanic fish populations is crazy."

World terrestrial mammalian biomass is now roughly 33% human, 64% livestock, and only 1% wild mammal. Underestimating what humans can do to the planet is willfully ignorant at this point.

Anyone who seriously denies human caused climate change at this point is either 1) lying to you or 2) doesn't know what they're talking about.
Oldbear83
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Nice rant.

Absurd as the faked-moon-landing nuts, but high invective content.

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
FLBear5630
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Oldbear83 said:

Nice rant.

Absurd as the faked-moon-landing nuts, but high invective content.




Then why do we need Greenland if there is no climate change opening up the north?
Redbrickbear
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LTbear said:

Redbrickbear said:

LTbear said:

Redbrickbear said:



But how can Trump want shipping lanes opened by climate change when climate change is a hoax?


The world's climate has changed all kinds of ways and in all kinds of epochs. That is not a hoax

The idea that humans can have that much of an impact on global temperatures is possibly a hoax.

Especially when its primary goals are often about giving power to a small group of elites to control everything and everyone in the name of "stopping climate change"






World terrestrial mammalian biomass is now roughly 33% human, 64% livestock, and only 1% wild mammal. Underestimating what humans can do to the planet is willfully ignorant at this point.




Humans have great power to change surface level biodiversity and habitat. We can clear cut forests and drive other species to extinction (and no one says that is a good thing)

But that is quite different than thinking humans can do more than minimally effect global warming and cooling periods.

After all if humans (with post Industrial Revolution era technology) cause global temperature changes then how did the Ice age happen? (And in fact there were actually several ice ages)

How did the massively high temperatures of the neoproterozoic greenhouse era (800-600 Million Years Ago) take place? This was of course an era Interspersed between major ice ages, this period saw significantly higher global temperatures.

What post Industrial Revolution-modern tech humans were causing those global temperature changes?
whiterock
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FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Errors?

Dude has a very, very long list of successes from the border to Syria to Hamas to Hizballah to Houthis to Iran to Panama Canal to Venezuela to cartels to trade deals to GDP to federal spending to trade deficit to immigration enforcement to.....I mean the outcome of all of his "self-inflicted errors" is not just wildly positive, it's exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and done with ALACRITY. And on Greenland, he's either going to get Europe to step up and make the investments necessary to keep China out....or.....he's going to control it outright.

A Greenland independent from Denmark taking economic development deals with China & Russia is a nightmare WWIII scenario. He is not going to let the current dynamic drift any further in that direction than it has already gone, which is quite a bit further than Trump critics are aware. We have ALREADY had to quash Chinese investment deals with Danish Greenland. What the hell do you think is going to happen when China comes calling on an INDEPENDENT Greenland? Best case? It costs us a helluva lot more.

Trump is not nearly as childish as his critics. Dude is simply solving a problem created by feckless allies. His critics are living an alternate reality just because their vanities are offended by a guy who has an overly (and sometimes unnecessarily) direct way of solving problems (which isn't really a problem as long as those problems get solved, which they are.....)r

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/china-threat-greenland-donald-trump-nato-ally-denmark-arctic-5852946

FLBear5630
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Errors?

Dude has a very, very long list of successes from the border to Syria to Hamas to Hizballah to Houthis to Iran to Panama Canal to Venezuela to cartels to trade deals to GDP to federal spending to trade deficit to immigration enforcement to.....I mean the outcome of all of his "self-inflicted errors" is not just wildly positive, it's exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and done with ALACRITY. And on Greenland, he's either going to get Europe to step up and make the investments necessary to keep China out....or.....he's going to control it outright.

His critics are living an alternate reality just because the guy has an overly direct way of solving problems.


Geez, MAGA are thick. It is not the what, it is how he is doing it. You keep listing achievements, but it is the way he is doing it that will cost thr GOP the House. He is losing the Independents with his bullying, fascist and bizarre behavior, you guys don't get it.

People dont care he didnt get the Nobel, especially enough to go to war with NATO. People dont want masked law enforcement gangs terrorizing thr streets.
Sam Lowry
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Errors?

Dude has a very, very long list of successes from the border to Syria to Hamas to Hizballah to Houthis to Iran to Panama Canal to Venezuela to cartels to trade deals to GDP to federal spending to trade deficit to immigration enforcement to.....I mean the outcome of all of his "self-inflicted errors" is not just wildly positive, it's exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and done with ALACRITY. And on Greenland, he's either going to get Europe to step up and make the investments necessary to keep China out....or.....he's going to control it outright.

His critics are living an alternate reality just because the guy has an overly direct way of solving problems.


People dont want masked law enforcement gangs terrorizing thr streets.

Most people, anyway. Sometimes I think this board might be an exception.
whiterock
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Errors?

Dude has a very, very long list of successes from the border to Syria to Hamas to Hizballah to Houthis to Iran to Panama Canal to Venezuela to cartels to trade deals to GDP to federal spending to trade deficit to immigration enforcement to.....I mean the outcome of all of his "self-inflicted errors" is not just wildly positive, it's exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and done with ALACRITY. And on Greenland, he's either going to get Europe to step up and make the investments necessary to keep China out....or.....he's going to control it outright.

His critics are living an alternate reality just because the guy has an overly direct way of solving problems.


Geez, MAGA are thick. It is not the what, it is how he is doing it. You keep listing achievements, but it is the way he is doing it that will cost thr GOP the House. He is losing the Independents with his bullying, fascist and bizarre behavior, you guys don't get it.

People dont care he didnt get the Nobel, especially enough to go to war with NATO. People dont want masked law enforcement gangs terrorizing thr streets.

Thank you for reminding us why the Bushies lost the party. They could not accomplish anything because they were more worried about how success could complicate the next election than about actually doing the important stuff they promised to do. Hard stuff is controversial. If you don't accept that controversy is part of the process of solving hard stuff, you'll never solve any hard stuff.

To be clear: I don't give a rats arse how he does it. I want it done. Denmark has no business controlling (and mismanaging) something as important to us as Greenland. Total vanity project to suggest that we have some moral obligation to let an irresponsible pipsqueak protect our interests and make things worse. If/when China/Russia comes calling, it'll be our ass on the line, not Europe's or Denmark's. Ours.

His critics are living an alternate reality just because the guy has an overly direct way of solving problems.
whiterock
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Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Errors?

Dude has a very, very long list of successes from the border to Syria to Hamas to Hizballah to Houthis to Iran to Panama Canal to Venezuela to cartels to trade deals to GDP to federal spending to trade deficit to immigration enforcement to.....I mean the outcome of all of his "self-inflicted errors" is not just wildly positive, it's exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and done with ALACRITY. And on Greenland, he's either going to get Europe to step up and make the investments necessary to keep China out....or.....he's going to control it outright.

His critics are living an alternate reality just because the guy has an overly direct way of solving problems.


People dont want masked law enforcement gangs terrorizing thr streets.

Most people, anyway. Sometimes I think this board might be an exception.

Hate to tell you this, but the masked gangs terrorizing the streets are Democrats, not LEOs.
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whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Errors?

Dude has a very, very long list of successes from the border to Syria to Hamas to Hizballah to Houthis to Iran to Panama Canal to Venezuela to cartels to trade deals to GDP to federal spending to trade deficit to immigration enforcement to.....I mean the outcome of all of his "self-inflicted errors" is not just wildly positive, it's exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and done with ALACRITY. And on Greenland, he's either going to get Europe to step up and make the investments necessary to keep China out....or.....he's going to control it outright.

His critics are living an alternate reality just because the guy has an overly direct way of solving problems.


People dont want masked law enforcement gangs terrorizing thr streets.

Most people, anyway. Sometimes I think this board might be an exception.

Hate to tell you this, but the masked gangs terrorizing the streets are Democrats, not LEOs.

Well, that disparity seems to be one of the problems Trump is busy correcting.
BUDOS
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Whiterock,
Some probably are.
whiterock
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Errors?

Dude has a very, very long list of successes from the border to Syria to Hamas to Hizballah to Houthis to Iran to Panama Canal to Venezuela to cartels to trade deals to GDP to federal spending to trade deficit to immigration enforcement to.....I mean the outcome of all of his "self-inflicted errors" is not just wildly positive, it's exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and done with ALACRITY. And on Greenland, he's either going to get Europe to step up and make the investments necessary to keep China out....or.....he's going to control it outright.

His critics are living an alternate reality just because the guy has an overly direct way of solving problems.


People dont want masked law enforcement gangs terrorizing thr streets.

Most people, anyway. Sometimes I think this board might be an exception.

Hate to tell you this, but the masked gangs terrorizing the streets are Democrats, not LEOs.

Well, that disparity seems to be one of the problems Trump is busy correcting.

I agree. He's ramping up as necessary to continue enforcing deportation orders in spite of Democrat efforts to obstruct justice.
whiterock
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

The arctic is heating up. Russia and China have partnered and are expanding their activities there. While clearly the stated focus is "resources", the truth is that we know that they will also build up infrastructure that could be used for military purposes.

Short sighted mind virus TDSers, please stop embarrassing yourself. The world is a dangerous place, and Russia and China becoming besties isn't going to make it any safer.



The OP has held up very well. We've already had to elbow China out of some deals with Greenland. No reason to keep letting them snoop around there.
https://www.miningvisuals.com/post/the-arctic-pivot-greenland-s-mineral-wealth-and-the-race-to-break-china-s-monopoly

It's not an unimportant thing, Greenland.

Oldbear83
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FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Nice rant.

Absurd as the faked-moon-landing nuts, but high invective content.




Then why do we need Greenland if there is no climate change opening up the north?

No one says the climate is not changing. The liars are blaming humans because A) real Science is hard for them, and B) Trump!REEEEEEEEEEEEE
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BUDOS
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Whiterock
Do you believe that is the only reason?
J.R.
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wow. what a petulant child. This is just pathetic. Trump and the Maga Trupers have disgraced the US in the world. I'm so happy I chose to move out of the US and not have to deal with Trumps nonsense. Time to impeach his ass!
Oldbear83
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JR: " what a petulant child."

There is just so much irony in JR posting that kind of comment.
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whiterock
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Oldbear83 said:

JR: " what a petulant child."

There is just so much irony in JR posting that kind of comment.

He is trapped in the abyss.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
-Frederick Nietzsche
whiterock
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BUDOS said:

Whiterock
Do you believe that is the only reason?

for what?
Harrison Bergeron
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Another question the TDSers cannot answer ..:

If Greenland does not matter, why are so many opposed to U.S. acquiring it?
TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Errors?

Dude has a very, very long list of successes from the border to Syria to Hamas to Hizballah to Houthis to Iran to Panama Canal to Venezuela to cartels to trade deals to GDP to federal spending to trade deficit to immigration enforcement to.....I mean the outcome of all of his "self-inflicted errors" is not just wildly positive, it's exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and done with ALACRITY. And on Greenland, he's either going to get Europe to step up and make the investments necessary to keep China out....or.....he's going to control it outright.

His critics are living an alternate reality just because the guy has an overly direct way of solving problems.


People dont want masked law enforcement gangs terrorizing thr streets.

Most people, anyway. Sometimes I think this board might be an exception.


Most people want ice to deport illegal immigrants. They knew that it'd require police in neighborhoods. Don't be so stupid.

And really most sane people understand that liberals and people like you will gladly put Leo's identities out there in hopes that they are attacked in some manner. So yeah, masks make sense, more sense than the mask you supported everyone wearing for 3 plus years.
U R clowning.
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Errors?

Dude has a very, very long list of successes from the border to Syria to Hamas to Hizballah to Houthis to Iran to Panama Canal to Venezuela to cartels to trade deals to GDP to federal spending to trade deficit to immigration enforcement to.....I mean the outcome of all of his "self-inflicted errors" is not just wildly positive, it's exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and done with ALACRITY. And on Greenland, he's either going to get Europe to step up and make the investments necessary to keep China out....or.....he's going to control it outright.

His critics are living an alternate reality just because the guy has an overly direct way of solving problems.


People dont want masked law enforcement gangs terrorizing thr streets.

Most people, anyway. Sometimes I think this board might be an exception.


Most people want ice to deport illegal immigrants. They knew that it'd require police in neighborhoods. Don't be so stupid.

And really most sane people understand that liberals and people like you will gladly put Leo's identities out there in hopes that they are attacked in some manner. So yeah, masks make sense, more sense than the mask you supported everyone wearing for 3 plus years.
U R clowning.

I have no interest in persecuting LEOs, and in fact I feel sorry for the way they're being used in the service of Trump's lawlessness. Some of them may be jerks, but many others have serious qualms about the way they're being pitted against the communities they're supposed to serve and protect.
J.R.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Another question the TDSers cannot answer ..:

If Greenland does not matter, why are so many opposed to U.S. acquiring it?

roll the Tanks Hammerskin Hank. Put back on your blue and brown! Oi!
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Sam Lowry said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

fubar said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Breaking news- this is all about Trump's ego (again)



This can't be real...

I'm afraid it is.

When will he and MAGA learn they can't do this ***** This Administration has more self-inflicted errors than any group I have ever seen.

Good ideas and policies won't survive botched up execution.

Errors?

Dude has a very, very long list of successes from the border to Syria to Hamas to Hizballah to Houthis to Iran to Panama Canal to Venezuela to cartels to trade deals to GDP to federal spending to trade deficit to immigration enforcement to.....I mean the outcome of all of his "self-inflicted errors" is not just wildly positive, it's exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and done with ALACRITY. And on Greenland, he's either going to get Europe to step up and make the investments necessary to keep China out....or.....he's going to control it outright.

His critics are living an alternate reality just because the guy has an overly direct way of solving problems.


People dont want masked law enforcement gangs terrorizing thr streets.

Most people, anyway. Sometimes I think this board might be an exception.


Most people want ice to deport illegal immigrants. They knew that it'd require police in neighborhoods. Don't be so stupid.

And really most sane people understand that liberals and people like you will gladly put Leo's identities out there in hopes that they are attacked in some manner. So yeah, masks make sense, more sense than the mask you supported everyone wearing for 3 plus years.
U R clowning.

I have no interest in persecuting LEOs, and in fact I feel sorry for the way they're being used in the service of Trump's lawlessness. Some of them may be jerks, but many others have serious qualms about the way they're being pitted against the communities they're supposed to serve and protect.


Nah, you're full of it, lefty projection.
ICE officers know they're serving the community and doing the right thing. They're going to get a lot more people applying due to the left's lawlessness.
What upsets ICE is the Dems waging war on law and order and terrorizing Leo's.
Thats the only terrorizing going on. And what upsets Leo's the most is people like you abandoning reason for madness, and making excuses for the criminals.
You're a clown. Your brain is broken.
Sam Lowry
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Trump Loves ICE. Its Workforce Has Never Been So Miserable.
A "mission impossible" deportation campaign has left many employees burned out and morally conflicted.
By Nick Miroff

ICE occupies an exalted place in President Donald Trump's hierarchy of law enforcement. He praises the bravery and fortitude of Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers -- "the toughest people you'll ever meet," he says -- and depicts them as heroes in the central plot of his presidency, helping him rescue the country from an invasion of gang members and mental patients. The 20,000 ICE employees are the unflinching men and women who will restore order. They're the Untouchables in his MAGA crime drama.

The reality of Trump's mass-deportation campaign is far less glamorous. Officers and agents have spent much of the past five months clocking weekends and waking up at 4 a.m. for predawn raids. Their top leaders have been ousted or demoted, and their supervisors -- themselves under threat of being fired -- are pressuring them to make more and more arrests to meet quotas set by the Trump adviser Stephen Miller. Having insisted for years that capturing criminals is its priority, ICE is now shelving major criminal investigations to prioritize civil immigration arrests, grabbing asylum seekers at their courthouse hearings, handcuffing mothers as their U.S.-citizen children cry, chasing day laborers through Home Depot parking lots. As angry onlookers attempt to shame ICE officers with obscenities, and activists try to dox them, officers are retreating further behind masks and tactical gear.

"It's miserable," one career ICE official told me. He called the job "mission impossible."

I recently spoke with a dozen current and former ICE agents and officers about morale at the agency since Trump took office. Most spoke on the condition of anonymity, for fear of losing their job or being subjected to a polygraph exam. They described varying levels of dissatisfaction but weren't looking to complain or expecting sympathy -- certainly not at a time when many Americans have been disturbed by video clips of masked and hooded officers seizing immigrants who were not engaged in any obvious criminal behavior. The frustration isn't yet producing mass resignations or major internal protests, but the officers and agents described a workforce on edge, vilified by broad swaths of the public and bullied by Trump officials demanding more and more.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/07/trump-ice-morale-immigration/683477/
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whiterock said:

Oldbear83 said:

JR: " what a petulant child."

There is just so much irony in JR posting that kind of comment.

He is trapped in the abyss.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
-Frederick Nietzsche
Talk about irony.

I think a fitting Nietzsche quote is "In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs, it is the rule."
 
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