Washington, jet and black hawk collided over Potomac, prayers up.
Tragic air crash
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Prayers for all involved..
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~60 people on board the passenger jet, no word yet on survivors.
WTH was that helicopter pilot thinking?
WTH was that helicopter pilot thinking?
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
There is a video that reportedly shows the crash. Doesn't look good. Looks like they both went right down after impact.
Can't understand why a helicopter would be flying that close to the airport and directly in the path of a runway.
Can't understand why a helicopter would be flying that close to the airport and directly in the path of a runway.
Flew right into the plane.
Webcam at the Kennedy Center caught an explosion mid-air across the Potomac. https://t.co/v75sxitpH6 pic.twitter.com/HInYdhBYs5
— Alejandro Alvarez (@aletweetsnews) January 30, 2025
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Wow. What a tragedy.
Expectation bias by PAT25, 5342 must have been in a blind spot higher,to his left descending. Prob no ADSB on, no RA by 5342. ATC made a fatal mistake by giving the helo pilot benefit of the doubt. You can hear the nervous TFC updates, gotta take control there. Pray for survivors
— Kurtz Lite🫐 (@scenario20) January 30, 2025
Here is a track of the helicopter from VA that would eventually crash into the CRJ at National Airport. Terrible accident. Helicopter came from Langley area. #planecrash pic.twitter.com/NEBFzMG1SN
— Ray Martel (@Marteljr) January 30, 2025
BREAKING: U.S. figure skaters, coaches, and family members were passengers on a commercial jet that collided with a military helicopter outside Washington, D.C., and crashed into the Potomac River on Wednesday, U.S. Figure Skating announced.
— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) January 30, 2025
The organization did not identify any… pic.twitter.com/uJfJYUBkNv
As a DC area pilot, I'm stunned by the tragedy at DCA last night, & my thoughts go out to the loved ones of those who perished in the crash.
— Tom Shugart (@tshugart3) January 30, 2025
There's a fair bit of ill-informed opining going on about what happened, which is unhelpful.
Here's what looks to me like the best… pic.twitter.com/6S55HcdueP
I guess you've never flow into Reagan. One of the most congested airspaces in the world. You routinely see helicopters on approach flying the Potomac, circling the city, etc.cowboycwr said:
There is a video that reportedly shows the crash. Doesn't look good. Looks like they both went right down after impact.
Can't understand why a helicopter would be flying that close to the airport and directly in the path of a runway.
Looks like the plane was ordered to a shorter runway minutes before approach and the helo pilot, whom confirmed visual, was actually confirming visual on another airplane on approach to a longer runway. They didn't look up to their 10:00 and ran right into them. Horrific accident.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
I haven't flown in and out of DCA a whole lot but I know the area. A lot of times the approach follows the bends in the river to avoid flying over the city. The main runway (01) is 7100' and is lined up so that at least the final approach/takeoff are over the longest straight stretches of the Potomac. I don't think I have ever landed there except on 01, as do most "regular" sized commercial planes (737, A300, etc.).trey3216 said:I guess you've never flow into Reagan. One of the most congested airspaces in the world. You routinely see helicopters on approach flying the Potomac, circling the city, etc.cowboycwr said:
There is a video that reportedly shows the crash. Doesn't look good. Looks like they both went right down after impact.
Can't understand why a helicopter would be flying that close to the airport and directly in the path of a runway.
Looks like the plane was ordered to a shorter runway minutes before approach and the helo pilot, whom confirmed visual, was actually confirming visual on another airplane on approach to a longer runway. They didn't look up to their 10:00 and ran right into them. Horrific accident.
However, since this was a smaller Bombardier CRJ, it was capable of landing on the shorter runway 33, which is only 5500' long or so. Too short for most full-sized commercial jets except when there is no alternative. But 33 is aligned at an angle to the river that requires coming in over Anacostia and crossing the Potomac almost perpendicularly. So any other commercial aircraft probably wouldn't have been in this approach.
If the copter was thinking the commercial traffic landing was all coming straight up the river ahead of him, he probably didn't notice or focus on one coming across the river at the same time as him.
Pretty much what I was saying and what I've read about it thus far.whitetrash said:I haven't flown in and out of DCA a whole lot but I know the area. A lot of times the approach follows the bends in the river to avoid flying over the city. The main runway (01) is 7100' and is lined up so that at least the final approach/takeoff are over the longest straight stretches of the Potomac. I don't think I have ever landed there except on 01, as do most "regular" sized commercial planes (737, A300, etc.).trey3216 said:I guess you've never flow into Reagan. One of the most congested airspaces in the world. You routinely see helicopters on approach flying the Potomac, circling the city, etc.cowboycwr said:
There is a video that reportedly shows the crash. Doesn't look good. Looks like they both went right down after impact.
Can't understand why a helicopter would be flying that close to the airport and directly in the path of a runway.
Looks like the plane was ordered to a shorter runway minutes before approach and the helo pilot, whom confirmed visual, was actually confirming visual on another airplane on approach to a longer runway. They didn't look up to their 10:00 and ran right into them. Horrific accident.
However, since this was a smaller Bombardier CRJ, it was capable of landing on the shorter runway 33, which is only 5500' long or so. Too short for most full-sized commercial jets except when there is no alternative. But 33 is aligned at an angle to the river that requires coming in over Anacostia and crossing the Potomac almost perpendicularly. So any other commercial aircraft probably wouldn't have been in this approach.
If the copter was thinking the commercial traffic landing was all coming straight up the river ahead of him, he probably didn't notice or focus on one coming across the river at the same time as him.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
To some extent, 1961 all over again.boognish_bear said:BREAKING: U.S. figure skaters, coaches, and family members were passengers on a commercial jet that collided with a military helicopter outside Washington, D.C., and crashed into the Potomac River on Wednesday, U.S. Figure Skating announced.
— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) January 30, 2025
The organization did not identify any… pic.twitter.com/uJfJYUBkNv
trey3216 said:I guess you've never flow into Reagan. One of the most congested airspaces in the world. You routinely see helicopters on approach flying the Potomac, circling the city, etc.cowboycwr said:
There is a video that reportedly shows the crash. Doesn't look good. Looks like they both went right down after impact.
Can't understand why a helicopter would be flying that close to the airport and directly in the path of a runway.
Looks like the plane was ordered to a shorter runway minutes before approach and the helo pilot, whom confirmed visual, was actually confirming visual on another airplane on approach to a longer runway. They didn't look up to their 10:00 and ran right into them. Horrific accident.
None of that explains why there would be a helicopter flying directly in the path of a runway, imo.
To me that seems like a no brainer, no matter how congested the airspace is. Seems like that is a no go area at all times.
EXCLUSIVE: The father of the pilot onboard the American Airlines Plane identifies him as 28 Year-old- Sam Lilley. His father, who is also a pilot, says he was engaged to be married, started his training in 2019 and was the first officer on the flight Wednesday. @FOX5Atlanta pic.twitter.com/HVRwORvpRk
— Eric Perry (@Ericperrytv) January 30, 2025
cowboycwr said:trey3216 said:I guess you've never flow into Reagan. One of the most congested airspaces in the world. You routinely see helicopters on approach flying the Potomac, circling the city, etc.cowboycwr said:
There is a video that reportedly shows the crash. Doesn't look good. Looks like they both went right down after impact.
Can't understand why a helicopter would be flying that close to the airport and directly in the path of a runway.
Looks like the plane was ordered to a shorter runway minutes before approach and the helo pilot, whom confirmed visual, was actually confirming visual on another airplane on approach to a longer runway. They didn't look up to their 10:00 and ran right into them. Horrific accident.
None of that explains why there would be a helicopter flying directly in the path of a runway, imo.
To me that seems like a no brainer, no matter how congested the airspace is. Seems like that is a no go area at all times.
On this map, the long runway is 01 running N-S pretty much parallel to the river (or as parallel as it could be, given the bends in the river). That's the one that gets 90%+ of commercial traffic. From what I have seen the copter was flying parallel to the runway along the E bank (across the river from DCA) and would have usually been passing DCA and its approaching aircraft from the other side of the river.
The AA flight was rerouted onto runway 33, which is the one crossing 01 from top left down to the right. The final approach to it goes directly across the Potomac, not tracing the path of the river like landing on 01 would. So it appears their routes crossed at exactly the wrong point and exactly the wrong time.
Way too many close calls recently.
Private jet carrying Gonzaga basketball team came close to hitting a Delta jet at LAX few weeks ago.
Private jet carrying Gonzaga basketball team came close to hitting a Delta jet at LAX few weeks ago.
boognish_bear said:EXCLUSIVE: The father of the pilot onboard the American Airlines Plane identifies him as 28 Year-old- Sam Lilley. His father, who is also a pilot, says he was engaged to be married, started his training in 2019 and was the first officer on the flight Wednesday. @FOX5Atlanta pic.twitter.com/HVRwORvpRk
— Eric Perry (@Ericperrytv) January 30, 2025
DEI
Seriously, I've flown into there hundreds of times. Scary times.
Both the PAT helicopter and the airliner supposedly had FLARM equipment meant to avoid collision,Stefano DiMera said:
Way too many close calls recently.
Private jet carrying Gonzaga basketball team came close to hitting a Delta jet at LAX few weeks ago.
Question is, was it deactivated last night for some reason?
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
It's obviously very early… So not sure how much stock to put in some of these early reports coming out
OMG!!! pic.twitter.com/OgblOXSX4w
— Ben Meiselas 🇺🇸🦅 (@meiselasb) January 30, 2025
In this case, 'DEI' simply means Different Exposed Issue'
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Inappropriate to theorize anything regarding DEI at this point.
Am confident responsibility for this nightmare will be ascertained.
Am confident responsibility for this nightmare will be ascertained.
KaiBear said:
Inappropriate to theorize anything regarding DEI at this point.
Am confident responsibility for this nightmare will be ascertained.
Very inappropriate, but that's never stopped Trump before.
D. C. Bear said:KaiBear said:
Inappropriate to theorize anything regarding DEI at this point.
Am confident responsibility for this nightmare will be ascertained.
Very inappropriate, but that's never stopped Trump before.
Because it is a real issue in America and needs to be addressed
Last year, I reported on a tip from a United pilot that a near-fatal incident in Houston was the result of a fired employee being rehired through their DEI program
— Ashley St. Clair (@stclairashley) January 30, 2025
I was told I was a lying racist.
The Houston 767 incident report is out. I was 100% right:
"The first officer’s… https://t.co/Ki2mwVJFpY pic.twitter.com/L2ePvGAZM3
Redbrickbear said:D. C. Bear said:KaiBear said:
Inappropriate to theorize anything regarding DEI at this point.
Am confident responsibility for this nightmare will be ascertained.
Very inappropriate, but that's never stopped Trump before.
Because it is a real issue in America and needs to be addressedLast year, I reported on a tip from a United pilot that a near-fatal incident in Houston was the result of a fired employee being rehired through their DEI program
— Ashley St. Clair (@stclairashley) January 30, 2025
I was told I was a lying racist.
The Houston 767 incident report is out. I was 100% right:
"The first officer’s… https://t.co/Ki2mwVJFpY pic.twitter.com/L2ePvGAZM3
This doesn't say what you claim it says.
Yea, sometimes I just wish Trump wouldn't be so Trump.KaiBear said:
Inappropriate to theorize anything regarding DEI at this point.
Am confident responsibility for this nightmare will be ascertained.
Sure DEI hires is a huge issue, if you aren't qualified by merit you should not then be
qualified by being in a certain demographic.
But, there is a time and a place to bring these matters up.
The first press conference after a tragedy is not the time or place.
Dumb move by Trump.
Truly unbelievably believable. Trump gonna trump
Redbrickbear said:D. C. Bear said:KaiBear said:
Inappropriate to theorize anything regarding DEI at this point.
Am confident responsibility for this nightmare will be ascertained.
Very inappropriate, but that's never stopped Trump before.
Because it is a real issue in America and needs to be addressedLast year, I reported on a tip from a United pilot that a near-fatal incident in Houston was the result of a fired employee being rehired through their DEI program
— Ashley St. Clair (@stclairashley) January 30, 2025
I was told I was a lying racist.
The Houston 767 incident report is out. I was 100% right:
"The first officer’s… https://t.co/Ki2mwVJFpY pic.twitter.com/L2ePvGAZM3
It is a real issue, but Trump chose the wrong venue to address it.
Already see nuts blaming Trump.
He disbanded an FAA task force or committee, memos went out 3 days before inauguration, so the same type of nut job that blames DEI without knowing jack, will blame Trump, without knowing Jack.
On the radio, a helicopter pilot for the Air Force was saying ATC will often clear helicopters to either follow aircraft, or go in below them, because traffic is so high in this area. The helicopter pilot was probably cleared to follow an aircraft or stay below it, but was simply looking at the wrong aircraft.
She said almost certainly the FAA will cut back helicopter traffic in the area, because this has been a disaster in the making for years. She was quick to say it is speculation. And everything would come out in the investigation.
If so, it sounds like a higher up FAA issue, that they did not manage the pressure to clear so much traffic in the D.C. area well. Doubtful that the people working, or DEI, has anything to do with it.
Trump has a special talent. Making normality seem real, real dumb. This will just cement in some minds that hatred of DEI is not based upon anything other than racism.
I read on a lib forum that Trump is just trying to implant in conservatives brains that minority=disaster.
On the radio, a helicopter pilot for the Air Force was saying ATC will often clear helicopters to either follow aircraft, or go in below them, because traffic is so high in this area. The helicopter pilot was probably cleared to follow an aircraft or stay below it, but was simply looking at the wrong aircraft.
She said almost certainly the FAA will cut back helicopter traffic in the area, because this has been a disaster in the making for years. She was quick to say it is speculation. And everything would come out in the investigation.
If so, it sounds like a higher up FAA issue, that they did not manage the pressure to clear so much traffic in the D.C. area well. Doubtful that the people working, or DEI, has anything to do with it.
Trump has a special talent. Making normality seem real, real dumb. This will just cement in some minds that hatred of DEI is not based upon anything other than racism.
I read on a lib forum that Trump is just trying to implant in conservatives brains that minority=disaster.
Yea they are goofy too.Harrison Bergeron said:
Already see nuts blaming Trump.
Trump had literally nothing to do with the wreck.
Forest Bueller_bf said:Redbrickbear said:D. C. Bear said:KaiBear said:
Inappropriate to theorize anything regarding DEI at this point.
Am confident responsibility for this nightmare will be ascertained.
Very inappropriate, but that's never stopped Trump before.
Because it is a real issue in America and needs to be addressedLast year, I reported on a tip from a United pilot that a near-fatal incident in Houston was the result of a fired employee being rehired through their DEI program
— Ashley St. Clair (@stclairashley) January 30, 2025
I was told I was a lying racist.
The Houston 767 incident report is out. I was 100% right:
"The first officer’s… https://t.co/Ki2mwVJFpY pic.twitter.com/L2ePvGAZM3
It is a real issue, but Trump chose the wrong venue to address it.
No
Using the bully pulpit of the Office to bring attention to this stuff is always good.
You must take every opportunity you can
So we're either of the pilots or the overworked ATC guy DEI people (I.e. black)? That seems sort of relevant if Trump a going to make that statement.
Forest Bueller_bf said:Yea they are goofy too.Harrison Bergeron said:
Already see nuts blaming Trump.
Trump had literally nothing to do with the wreck.
BlueAnon has gotten even crazier and the LWNJ even more hateful. Did not think it was possible.