Trump Shuts Down USAID

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Assassin said:

Porteroso said:

Assassin said:

Porteroso said:

If what is being reported is true, it is the largest scandal of my lifetime, and it better end with many people going to jail forever.
That is certainly the way it is headed.

Will you come over from the dark side?
I've always been conservative. Fiscally, we must be conservative. We need to follow the Constitution, and the intent of the founders to create a society free of burdensome restrictions, the government always erring on the side of freedom, rather than government-knows-best. And limited government. Regulations yes, capitalism requires regulation to work well, but within reason. Not what the progressives have done. And the rule of law, equally applied. Even socially, I'm in the middle.

Anyways the Republican party, and Trump, do not embody those values. I will never be a registered Republican or Democrat, or give any money to those politicians. That's part of what is wrong with the country. The tribalism, and how easily money influences minds and elections.

I do want to say that I am cautious about these reports. What I haven't seen, is what percentage of the USAID budget was used fraudulently, or wastefully. I am plenty shocked at some of these expenditures, but was it 90% fraud, or 10% fraud? That will make a big difference.

Whatever the percentage is, it needs to be eliminated, people put in jail given the scope of the fraud, and there need to be regular audits going forward. Bipartisan audits.

This one time, it makes sense for Musk and some kid hackers to sweep through the government, but that will eventually backfire, if it happens every year. One of the kid hackers will leave himself a back door into the Treasury and it will explode big time.
Actually a well-thought-out post. Except maybe for the last paragraph. Any kid named Big Balls is not going to leave a back door open!


Underrated post.
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Assassin said:


What a shock. Now here's an old interview he did with Fauxcahontis on government waste.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFyLHRqyBD9/?igsh=MXh5eWJqZTRqc2JiZA==
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This is exactly what I've been saying for years.

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Me too.
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The sad part of this is the tribal TDSers will not be concerned by the obvious corruption because ORANGE MAN BAD!
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I need Musk & Trump to repeat this. Defy and ignore this judge. You CANNOT bow down to the illegal moves the left makes that are desperately trying to prevent you from uncovering their corruption. Do not comply with this. Do not comply with a single thing they ever try.
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Redbrickbear said:


Wonder if that was one of the folks that the Clinton's 'wacked'?
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Impeach this judge and prosecute.
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“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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I can't believe anyone who sent that wasn't fired immediately. Like within minutes of it being received. Certainly no way you can have a working relationship with those two people.

I've read a lot of "resignation" emails but that's a doozy.
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nein51 said:

I can't believe anyone who sent that wasn't fired immediately. Like within minutes of it being received. Certainly no way you can have a working relationship with those two people.

I've read a lot of "resignation" emails but that's a doozy.
Most importantly, look at how long this has been going on at USAID. Add in that this wasn't the first time. It had been going on without address to the point of such a fevered written meltdown.
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Our nation's future depends upon defying and/or impeaching this judge. Do NOT give in to their lawfare. Expose and shut down the deep-state!
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Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ScottS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:


This may be the most sinister of all the actions.

For those that throw around the term fascist but do not understand it - this is actual fascism.
Why is that?
Sam,
You see nothing wrong here? All ok? Nothing wrong with state run media and leaks?
I see the problem. I'm just curious why he's calling it fascism.
Because its Tax dollars used for the purpose of quelling dissent toward the government.
If anything it seems to be encouraging dissent.
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historian said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:


This may be the most sinister of all the actions.

For those that throw around the term fascist but do not understand it - this is actual fascism.

Exactly. It helps to know the real definitions of terms.
Indeed. Still hoping that Harrison will clarify.

He and I already have, repeatedly. I even created a separate thread on socialism, communism, fascism, etc.
I don't think so. He scurried away because he can see where this is going.
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Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.


Defying a judge who blatantly broke every law they could to stop corruption from being uncovered is not violating the law...it is upholding it. Impeach that criminal who is clearly covering for criminals and get on with throwing out the deep state. Do not let their lawfare be confused for law and order. What that judge did was illegal - do not recognize illegal judgments.

Ex-parte. Why dont you worry about that? Yeah, didn't think so.
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Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
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Trump's team files motion to dissolve the ex-parte illegal lawfare:

"At approximately 1:00 a.m. on Saturday, February 8, 2025, this Court issued an exparteTemporary Restraining Order that purported to limit access to a vast swath of Treasury systems to only "civil servants," while prohibiting "all political appointees" from doing the same.

On its face, the Order could be read to cover all political leadership within Treasuryincluding even Secretary Bessent.

This is a remarkable intrusion on the Executive Branch that is in direct conflict with Article II of the Constitution, and the unitary structure it provides.

There is not and cannot be a basis for distinguishing between "civil servants" and "political appointees."Basic democratic accountability requires that every executive agency's work be supervised by politically accountable leadership, who ultimately answer to the President.

A federal court, consistent with the separation of powers, cannot insulate any portion of that work from the specter of political accountability.

No court can issue an injunction that directly severs the clear line of supervision Article II requires. Because the Order on its face draws an impermissible and anti-constitutional distinction, it should be dissolved immediately.

At minimum, the Court should either clarify or modify its Order, so as to avoid its most direct constitutional and practical hazards.As written, the injunction is markedly overbroad.

There is no sound reason that it should extend to Treasury's leadership, who are charged with overseeing and administering the Department without interruption.

To the extent the Order applies to senior political appointees at Treasury, it is an extraordinary and unprecedented judicial interference with a Cabinet Secretary's ability to oversee the Department he was constitutionally appointed to lead. Interfering with those basic functions, even for a day, will cause irreparable harm to the government.

By contrast, Plaintiffs have not even attempted to show how they would suffer any irreparable harm as a result of Treasury's political leadership being excluded from the temporary injunction.

If the Court is unwilling to grant relief from its Order, the United States respectfully requests that the Order be stayed pending the disposition of any appeal that is authorized, or at a minimum that such relief be administratively stayed for a period of seven days to allow the United States to seek an emergency, expedited stay from the Court of Appeals.

To be clear, notwithstanding the Order's defects, Defendants are in compliance with it. As described below, Defendants have taken what they believe to be all necessary steps to comply with the Court's Order. But this is not a durable status quo.

To remedy the serious problems beget by the Order's breadth, the Court should immediately dissolve, clarify, or modify the Order while this matter is being briefed, argued, and decided on the merits."
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People forget that the government has three go-equal branches. They all work together for the government to function properly and no one branch has a majority of power, although sometimes it seems the executive branch does (too many EOs) and sometimes it seems the judicial branch does as in corrupt judges (numerous examples this past week and last year) and flawed decisions (Roe & Obergefell are egregious modern examples).

Any government action based upon lies is automatically flawed & illegitimate regardless which branch or branches is responsible. As Madison said in Federalist 51, "If Men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary."
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Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
There is that, but then there's also "what this judge did is plainly outside legitimate judicial authority." A quick mandamus is probably the answer. That plus someone in congress raising the question of whether this judge is too biased to execute his/her duty to enforce the Constitution.
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Impeach that judge. Obama appointee, no surprise.
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I never said that and I never considered the possibility of Trump violating the law as legitimate or acceptable. But I've also not seen any evidence that he has broken the law. My only issue with his actions is that he relies too heavily on EOs. The Left has no room to complain: Pres Obama ("pen & phone") and fake president Biden both did all kinds of things with EOs, much of it idiotic & tyrannical.

EO's in of themselves are not illegal or unconstitutional. In many instances, they are directly within the presidents legitimate authority. For example, the president is the commander in chief of the armed forces and the leader of the executive branch. He has the prerogative to issue instructions to those under his constitutional authority. Many of his EOs fall under this category and were merely reversing stupid EOs by Biden (or whomever was pulling his strings). Others are more complicated.

None of this legitimizes the judge who far overstepped the bounds of his authority. He deserves to be severely punished along with all evil law-fare judges who ignore the constitution. At the very least they need to be removed from their positions and disbarred to prevent them from ever practicing any kind of law again.

I've said repeatedly that Trump needs to follow up on some of these actions with legislation, meaning he will have to work with Congress. That's more difficult, especially with so many evil fascists in Congress who cannot cope with reality.
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historian said:

I never said that and I never considered the possibility of Trump violating the law as legitimate or acceptable. But I've also not seen any evidence that he has broken the law. My only issue with his actions is that he relies too heavily on EOs. The Left has no room to complain: Pres Obama ("pen & phone") and fake president Biden both did all kinds of things with EOs, much of it idiotic & tyrannical.

EO's in of themselves are not illegal or unconstitutional. In many instances, they are directly within the presidents legitimate authority. For example, the president is the commander in chief of the armed forces and the leader of the executive branch. He has the prerogative to issue instructions to those under his constitutional authority. Many of his EOs fall under this category and were merely reversing stupid EOs by Biden (or whomever was pulling his strings). Others are more complicated.

None of this legitimizes the judge who far overstepped the bounds of his authority. He deserves to be severely punished along with all evil law-fare judges who ignore the constitution. At the very least they need to be removed from their positions and disbarred to prevent them from ever practicing any kind of law again.

I've said repeatedly that Trump needs to follow up on some of these actions with legislation, meaning he will have to work with Congress. That's more difficult, especially with so many evil fascists in Congress who cannot cope with reality.


You can't work with congress when almost half of them are the ones you are trying to stop from defrauding the tax-payers and are on the take.
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ScottS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:


This may be the most sinister of all the actions.

For those that throw around the term fascist but do not understand it - this is actual fascism.
Why is that?
Sam,
You see nothing wrong here? All ok? Nothing wrong with state run media and leaks?
I see the problem. I'm just curious why he's calling it fascism.
Because its Tax dollars used for the purpose of quelling dissent toward the government.
If anything it seems to be encouraging dissent.


I'm struggling to find your post where you called out Biden's team for similar and worse.

If anyone should be thrilled with the corruption being exposed, it should be you…. unless you're just spewing party talking points.
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That will make it difficult!
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“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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Married A Horn said:

Trump's team files motion to dissolve the ex-parte illegal lawfare:

"At approximately 1:00 a.m. on Saturday, February 8, 2025, this Court issued an exparteTemporary Restraining Order that purported to limit access to a vast swath of Treasury systems to only "civil servants," while prohibiting "all political appointees" from doing the same.

On its face, the Order could be read to cover all political leadership within Treasuryincluding even Secretary Bessent.

This is a remarkable intrusion on the Executive Branch that is in direct conflict with Article II of the Constitution, and the unitary structure it provides.

There is not and cannot be a basis for distinguishing between "civil servants" and "political appointees."Basic democratic accountability requires that every executive agency's work be supervised by politically accountable leadership, who ultimately answer to the President.

A federal court, consistent with the separation of powers, cannot insulate any portion of that work from the specter of political accountability.

No court can issue an injunction that directly severs the clear line of supervision Article II requires. Because the Order on its face draws an impermissible and anti-constitutional distinction, it should be dissolved immediately.

At minimum, the Court should either clarify or modify its Order, so as to avoid its most direct constitutional and practical hazards.As written, the injunction is markedly overbroad.

There is no sound reason that it should extend to Treasury's leadership, who are charged with overseeing and administering the Department without interruption.

To the extent the Order applies to senior political appointees at Treasury, it is an extraordinary and unprecedented judicial interference with a Cabinet Secretary's ability to oversee the Department he was constitutionally appointed to lead. Interfering with those basic functions, even for a day, will cause irreparable harm to the government.

By contrast, Plaintiffs have not even attempted to show how they would suffer any irreparable harm as a result of Treasury's political leadership being excluded from the temporary injunction.

If the Court is unwilling to grant relief from its Order, the United States respectfully requests that the Order be stayed pending the disposition of any appeal that is authorized, or at a minimum that such relief be administratively stayed for a period of seven days to allow the United States to seek an emergency, expedited stay from the Court of Appeals.

To be clear, notwithstanding the Order's defects, Defendants are in compliance with it. As described below, Defendants have taken what they believe to be all necessary steps to comply with the Court's Order. But this is not a durable status quo.

To remedy the serious problems beget by the Order's breadth, the Court should immediately dissolve, clarify, or modify the Order while this matter is being briefed, argued, and decided on the merits."
Get back from the ledge Sam, unlike Biden who ignored SCOTUS, Trump is fighting this unlawful ruling in court. If Musk's review leads to improper money going to this judge or immediate family members, he should be first in line to be arrested. A few appropriate arrests would stop 95% of this lawfare BS.
 
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