* * Epstein Files Being Released in the Next 10 Days

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Bingo

It's a big deal to his base because it symbolizes more than just the scumbag Epstein himself

True, but all these influencers created this mess. They latch on to each other's conspiracy theories, and they end up being disappointed because they were just that, theories.


Agree with that... but Trump himself on the campaign trail and some of his cabinet after they got in office were fanning the flames on this one. It feels disingenuous for him now to say why does everyone care about this stuff?


Agreed

Trump and his minions boasted they would release the client list.


Past time for Trump to deliver.
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Disingenuous you say?
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boognish_bear said:

sombear said:

Redbrickbear said:

boognish_bear said:




Bingo

It's a big deal to his base because it symbolizes more than just the scumbag Epstein himself

True, but all these influencers created this mess. They latch on to each other's conspiracy theories, and they end up being disappointed because they were just that, theories.


Agree with that... but Trump himself on the campaign trail and some of his cabinet after they got in office were fanning the flames on this one. It feels disingenuous for him now to say why does everyone care about this stuff?

Trump's been known to get his briefings through X. I wouldn't be surprised if he really believed it. But it appears he and his team got to DC, looked at the files, and found out there's a reason no real evidence has ever been uncovered.

This is one of the few times I'm actually defending Trump . . . and I don't particularly enjoy it . . . .
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sombear said:

boognish_bear said:

sombear said:

Redbrickbear said:

boognish_bear said:




Bingo

It's a big deal to his base because it symbolizes more than just the scumbag Epstein himself

True, but all these influencers created this mess. They latch on to each other's conspiracy theories, and they end up being disappointed because they were just that, theories.


Agree with that... but Trump himself on the campaign trail and some of his cabinet after they got in office were fanning the flames on this one. It feels disingenuous for him now to say why does everyone care about this stuff?

Trump's been known to get his briefings through X. I wouldn't be surprised if he really believed it. But it appears he and his team got to DC, looked at the files, and found out there's a reason no real evidence has ever been uncovered.

This is one of the few times I'm actually defending Trump . . . and I don't particularly enjoy it . . . .


I don't know what to believe right now... but if it went down as you are suggesting I would much rather he go on camera and say something to that effect rather than pretend like the people clamoring for the list are the ones with the problem.

I know he still wouldn't have a lot of people buying that....but I could deal with that better than this current move of acting bewildered that people still want answers.
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Assassin said:

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Assassin said:

1713 Baylor said:

He's on the list. All you guys who are trial lawyers read this the same way. The opposition hides their bad documents until you pry them out of their cold dead fingers. Stupid strategy because it isolates and emphasizes the badness of the documents and signals that the opposition can't stand the thought of them being exposed, but it happened dozens of times over a 40 year career.

None of this **** is making the light of day because Donald John Trump's name is at the top of the Epstein list. Hell, he probably had a frequent flier account.


That's just silly. If Trumps name was anywhere near a list, Democrats would have been all over it during Bidens four year reign of terror. They hated Trump, lied about him working with Russians, had the FBI over at his house in the middle of the night sniffing Melania's underwear and more.

There is absolutely no way Trump is on any list.

Biden likely didn't release it because 1/2 of government (left and right) is on that list. The notion that it is all democrats and not Trump is completely asinine. This, despite the decades of Trump cheating on his wives with younger women, his well documented friendship with Epstein, and him waffling on releasing the Epstein files when asked on Fox News a while back saying " I guess I would, I think that less so because, you don't know, you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there, because it's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world."

Some of you ride or Trump supporters are so far up your own asses that the mere (and likely) thought that Trump is on that list just causes you all to completely lose cognitive function. Chances are there are tons of dems and republicans on there….and yes, including Trump.

Once again, that's fragmented thinking. Dems would have launched full, head-on into a Trump investigation if there was a shred of evidence. They hated him from the 2016 election, committed fraud to get Biden elected in 2020 and now flood their TV and newspapers with Trump hate. There is absolutely NOTHING that would have stopped them

NOTHING other than burning down the Trump ship with them in it. They hate Trump, but not at the expense of exposing those in government who were in the files. I don't understand how that is a difficult concept to grasp. It especially looks fishy when Trump campaigned on releasing the files, his own AG says it's "on her desk", and now they flat out gaslight the entire country and say the files don't exist? Give me a break man.

They would have found a way to ONLY pull the Trump data out and prevent America from coming back from the Biden disaster. There is simply no way in hell that they could have resisted that.

That is insanely wishful/delusional thinking
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KaiBear
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Interesting how such bipartisan efforts never happened during the years of the Biden Administration.

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KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:




Interesting how such bipartisan efforts never happened during the years of the Biden Administration.




Oh there was plenty of bipartisanship to keep it all hidden during the Biden administration.

And you can be sure there will be a lot of Democrats join hands with republicans to squash this bill and keep the Epstein stuff well hidden (after they make some political points pretending to want it released)

This bill is dead on arrival
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sombear said:

boognish_bear said:

sombear said:

Redbrickbear said:

boognish_bear said:




Bingo

It's a big deal to his base because it symbolizes more than just the scumbag Epstein himself

True, but all these influencers created this mess. They latch on to each other's conspiracy theories, and they end up being disappointed because they were just that, theories.


Agree with that... but Trump himself on the campaign trail and some of his cabinet after they got in office were fanning the flames on this one. It feels disingenuous for him now to say why does everyone care about this stuff?

Trump's been known to get his briefings through X. I wouldn't be surprised if he really believed it. But it appears he and his team got to DC, looked at the files, and found out there's a reason no real evidence has ever been uncovered.

This is one of the few times I'm actually defending Trump . . . and I don't particularly enjoy it . . . .

I agree with you. EVERY President gets in office and finds out there are reasons their predecessors did what they did.

Just don't tell us how different from Biden you are as you are sending weapons to Ukraine, burying the Epstein files and as he is firing anyone in DC not loyal. He is no different than Biden, Obama, Cheney, or any of them.

Yet, we will now witness all sorts of mental gymnastics to show how Trump's providing weapons is really not the same and Epstein doesn't matter.
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:




Interesting how such bipartisan efforts never happened during the years of the Biden Administration.




Oh there was plenty of bipartisanship to keep it all hidden during the Biden administration.

And you can be sure there will be a lot of Democrats join hands with republicans to squash this bill and keep the Epstein stuff well hidden (after they make some political points pretending to want it released)

This bill is dead on arrival


Agreed

Tons of 'bipartisan' hypocrisy / showmanship being exhibited here.

Everyone in congress knows this bill will never pass.

If somehow it does dozens of politicians would **** all over themselves.

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1713 Baylor said:

He's on the list. All you guys who are trial lawyers read this the same way. The opposition hides their bad documents until you pry them out of their cold dead fingers. Stupid strategy because it isolates and emphasizes the badness of the documents and signals that the opposition can't stand the thought of them being exposed, but it happened dozens of times over a 40 year career.

None of this **** is making the light of day because Donald John Trump's name is at the top of the Epstein list. Hell, he probably had a frequent flier account.


He and Epstein were pals for years. Trump even boasted in admiration about how Epstein loved young girls. Of course Trump's name is on the list (if there still is a list).
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He and Epstein were pals for years. Trump even boasted in admiration about how Epstein loved young girls. Of course Trump's name is on the list (if there still is a list).


Maybe he is. I don't care. Release a list of the Epstein Johns.

The one thing that makes me doubt that he is implicated in this way is that his political enemies would have released this information long before now to keep him out of office. After all, they had to make up a whole fictitious story about Russia Collusion.
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Ro Khanna may be one of the saner voices left in the Democrat party.
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Yall act surprised that Trump lied again. The recent example of repubs voting to surpress the bill to release the list shows how afraid repubs are to cross him.

Long live the king..
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Living fast or dying slow.
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But I will live while I'm here.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

https://instagr.am/p/DMGqwNEslEj

Why does a Muppet have a Twitter account?
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Two things about this surprise me.

1. That the Epstein no release is gaining traction
2. That the outrage falls on Pam Bondi, not Trump.

If you think about it, neither should be surprising. Clearly, there are powerful people who don't want it released (or believe it doesn't exist or think it's a distraction or some other excuse). Trump is still very popular and many of his followers don't want to believe that he would lie to them or cover it up. It's possible both are correct.

Personally, I don't know what to believe. It's possible that there really is nothing to it as claimed. That seems hard to believe but I accept it as a remote possibility. But the people demand answers and accountability. And the people are correct on this. (Strange that the Dems are in unanimous agreement with the people. They rarely care what the people think).

I want everything about Epstein to be released because it's such a hot potato and, most importantly, the victims need justice. If there are pedos and rapists in prominent places being protected, they must be prosecuted and punished. If those protecting them broke the law, they also must be punished. The rule of law must be restored wherever the chips may fall.
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KaiBear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Two things about this surprise me.

1. That the Epstein no release is gaining traction
2. That the outrage falls on Pam Bondi, not Trump.


A. Very surprised Trump has pulled such an obvious about face from his repeated calls to release the client list.

B. Agree with your number 2. As Bondi is obviously following orders.

C. Surprised so few in the media aren't asking why BOTH Biden and Trump haven't released the client list after all these years.
Beginning to believe these coverups are under coercion from foreign intelligence services.

D. If so releasing the client list is even more critical to do.
Regardless of the political fallout.

C & D in particular
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TexasScientist said:

1713 Baylor said:

He's on the list. All you guys who are trial lawyers read this the same way. The opposition hides their bad documents until you pry them out of their cold dead fingers. Stupid strategy because it isolates and emphasizes the badness of the documents and signals that the opposition can't stand the thought of them being exposed, but it happened dozens of times over a 40 year career.

None of this **** is making the light of day because Donald John Trump's name is at the top of the Epstein list. Hell, he probably had a frequent flier account.


He and Epstein were pals for years. Trump even boasted in admiration about how Epstein loved young girls. Of course Trump's name is on the list (if there still is a list).


If the client list exclusively implicates Trump and Republicans…….why didn't the Biden administration release the information ?

They had years to do so, yet did nothing .

Really believe Joe Biden wanted to protect Trump ?
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Realitybites said:

TexasScientist said:

He and Epstein were pals for years. Trump even boasted in admiration about how Epstein loved young girls. Of course Trump's name is on the list (if there still is a list).


Maybe he is. I don't care. Release a list of the Epstein Johns.

The one thing that makes me doubt that he is implicated in this way is that his political enemies would have released this information long before now to keep him out of office. After all, they had to make up a whole fictitious story about Russia Collusion.

Clinton is likely on there, and other prominent people. It cuts both ways. Neither wants it released. Trump and his supporters stoked the flames on this. They need to release the files and prove there is nothing to it now.
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KaiBear said:

TexasScientist said:

1713 Baylor said:

He's on the list. All you guys who are trial lawyers read this the same way. The opposition hides their bad documents until you pry them out of their cold dead fingers. Stupid strategy because it isolates and emphasizes the badness of the documents and signals that the opposition can't stand the thought of them being exposed, but it happened dozens of times over a 40 year career.

None of this **** is making the light of day because Donald John Trump's name is at the top of the Epstein list. Hell, he probably had a frequent flier account.


He and Epstein were pals for years. Trump even boasted in admiration about how Epstein loved young girls. Of course Trump's name is on the list (if there still is a list).


If the client list exclusively implicates Trump and Republicans…….why didn't the Biden administration release the information ?

They had years to do so, yet did nothing .

Really believe Joe Biden wanted to protect Trump ?

No, but Biden would protect Ds. If there is a list I doubt it is exclusive to the Rs - cuts both ways. Trump and his allies made such a big deal about it, they need to release what they have.
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Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Ro Khanna may be one of the saner voices left in the Democrat party.

And yet he is still part of the liberal California swamp.
Until I see him vocally and directly decry all the policies in California that are doing nothing to help the people here, and are actually making life much more difficult than it has ever been (and mostly harming those he and his ilk in the Democrat party pander to the most--outside of the limo liberals I should say), he will continue to be nothing more than part of California's problem.
No amount of grandstanding on this issue will change that.
Dude represents one of the wealthiest areas in California...90% white or Asian...with a median income of almost $200k a year.
Read limousine liberal land.
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TexasScientist said:

KaiBear said:

TexasScientist said:

1713 Baylor said:

He's on the list. All you guys who are trial lawyers read this the same way. The opposition hides their bad documents until you pry them out of their cold dead fingers. Stupid strategy because it isolates and emphasizes the badness of the documents and signals that the opposition can't stand the thought of them being exposed, but it happened dozens of times over a 40 year career.

None of this **** is making the light of day because Donald John Trump's name is at the top of the Epstein list. Hell, he probably had a frequent flier account.


He and Epstein were pals for years. Trump even boasted in admiration about how Epstein loved young girls. Of course Trump's name is on the list (if there still is a list).


If the client list exclusively implicates Trump and Republicans…….why didn't the Biden administration release the information ?

They had years to do so, yet did nothing .

Really believe Joe Biden wanted to protect Trump ?

No, but Biden would protect Ds. If there is a list I doubt it is exclusive to the Rs - cuts both ways. Trump and his allies made such a big deal about it, they need to release what they have.


Then you should be just as critical of Biden's coverup.
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historian said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Two things about this surprise me.

1. That the Epstein no release is gaining traction
2. That the outrage falls on Pam Bondi, not Trump.

If you think about it, neither should be surprising. Clearly, there are powerful people who don't want it released (or believe it doesn't exist or think it's a distraction or some other excuse). Trump is still very popular and many of his followers don't want to believe that he would lie to them or cover it up. It's possible both are correct.

Personally, I don't know what to believe. It's possible that there really is nothing to it as claimed. That seems hard to believe but I accept it as a remote possibility. But the people demand answers and accountability. And the people are correct on this. (Strange that the Dems are in unanimous agreement with the people. They rarely care what the people think).

I want everything about Epstein to be released because it's such a hot potato and, most importantly, the victims need justice. If there are pedos and rapists in prominent places being protected, they must be prosecuted and punished. If those protecting them broke the law, they also must be punished. The rule of law must be restored wherever the chips may fall.


Honestly? I don't know what's true, either (other than Epstein was a bad dude).

You nor I get 18 months in jail in 2008. He did more than Jared who got 15 years.
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:




Interesting how such bipartisan efforts never happened during the years of the Biden Administration.




Oh there was plenty of bipartisanship to keep it all hidden during the Biden administration.

And you can be sure there will be a lot of Democrats join hands with republicans to squash this bill and keep the Epstein stuff well hidden (after they make some political points pretending to want it released)

This bill is dead on arrival


Vote already happened in different procedural context. House GOP blocks Democrats from forcing vote on Jeffrey Epstein files

210 Dems to release
211 GOP to hide

You better start planning your spin now on why the GOP is voting in lockstep to protect pedos, cause that's where this is going.
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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:




Interesting how such bipartisan efforts never happened during the years of the Biden Administration.




Oh there was plenty of bipartisanship to keep it all hidden during the Biden administration.

And you can be sure there will be a lot of Democrats join hands with republicans to squash this bill and keep the Epstein stuff well hidden (after they make some political points pretending to want it released)

This bill is dead on arrival


Vote already happened in different procedural context. House GOP blocks Democrats from forcing vote on Jeffrey Epstein files

210 Dems to release
211 GOP to hide

You better start planning your spin now on why the GOP is voting in lockstep to protect pedos, cause that's where this is going.


Then why did the Biden administration protect these same pedos during the years of his presidential tenure ?

Apparently this disgusting pedo operation involves widespread coercion impacting our entire government.

Both Republicans and Democrats.

This coercion needs to be exposed. And the only way that is going to happen is if the American people increasingly demand
the names of Epstein's clients.
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KaiBear said:

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:




Interesting how such bipartisan efforts never happened during the years of the Biden Administration.




Oh there was plenty of bipartisanship to keep it all hidden during the Biden administration.

And you can be sure there will be a lot of Democrats join hands with republicans to squash this bill and keep the Epstein stuff well hidden (after they make some political points pretending to want it released)

This bill is dead on arrival


Vote already happened in different procedural context. House GOP blocks Democrats from forcing vote on Jeffrey Epstein files

210 Dems to release
211 GOP to hide

You better start planning your spin now on why the GOP is voting in lockstep to protect pedos, cause that's where this is going.


Then why did the Biden administration protect these same pedos during the years of his presidential tenure ?

Apparently this disgusting pedo operation involves widespread coercion impacting our entire government.

Both Republicans and Democrats.

This coercion needs to be exposed. And the only way that is going to happen is if the American people increasingly demand
the names of Epstein's clients.

Only way that happens is if there is a "Deepthroat" that contacts someone in the media.
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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:




Interesting how such bipartisan efforts never happened during the years of the Biden Administration.




Oh there was plenty of bipartisanship to keep it all hidden during the Biden administration.

And you can be sure there will be a lot of Democrats join hands with republicans to squash this bill and keep the Epstein stuff well hidden (after they make some political points pretending to want it released)

This bill is dead on arrival


Vote already happened in different procedural context. House GOP blocks Democrats from forcing vote on Jeffrey Epstein files

210 Dems to release
211 GOP to hide

You better start planning your spin now on why the GOP is voting in lockstep to protect pedos, cause that's where this is going.


Naw....Democrats are understandability trying to paint the GOP leadership as Epstein lovers and drive a wedge in the party base.

Its good political strategy.

[Congressional Democrats want to shine a spotlight on the Jeffrey Epstein controversy and drive a wedge into a Republican Party now tearing itself apart over the issue. But relegated to the minority in both chambers, they're dealing with a limited toolbox..]

[Democrats had framed the procedural vote as a referendum on whether Republicans want the Epstein files to be released, or whether they would fall in line with Trump's request.]

But these votes are mere procedural.....and always fall down party lines....always.

[On the floor Tuesday afternoon, House Democrats attempted to cast a procedural vote as a referendum on releasing the so-called Epstein files. Had their effort to vote down the motion succeeded, they said, they would have moved forward with Khanna's amendment. But the "previous question" vote, which hasn't been won by the House minority since 1988, prevailed 211-210 on party lines.]


https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5402215-republicans-democrats-vote-epstein-files/


You can be sure on a real vote to release any info....they will suddenly find reasons to protect the info


Rep. Massie is working on a stand alone floor bill about Epstein that would by pass leadership and go directly to a full House floor vote.

If such a bill actually requires the release of all info (and not just a meaningless non-binding resolution like they always pass) you can be sure it will die quickly.

In fact....it will never actually make it to the floor at all.

Democrats don't want the full Epstein files release....and neither do the GOP....they have too many friends/donors/intelligence service assets at risk of being exposed.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Why do we care?

You don't care about adults sexually assaulting underage girls? You have a daughter. You should know better.


You're conflating two different things. Epstein was a despicable person and people who continued to hand out with (him, Cosby, Diddy) I question their character.

But, why is the "Epstein" list so important?

Some people think that exploitation of underage girls is a crime and should be punished. Others see it as perfectly okay. I am a little surprised by the side you have chosen.
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I'm sure he does not listen to his handlers… but someone has got to tell him to quit making these comments. Saying nothing would be better than this.

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[The difficulty, though, is trying to figure out which marginalized people were exiled to the margins because they told unwanted truths, and which were marginalized because they are honestly bad people. As you know, I am 100 percent against the "No Enemies To The Right" principle, because I am not going to align myself with a true anti-Semite or racist, just because we both hate wokeness, or whatever. It's foolish to expect everybody to agree with you on everything before you agree to be their friend and ally. But there have to be uncrossable lines. For me, anti-Semitism true anti-Semitism, not just griping about the State of Israel is one of them.

At the same time, we can't let our fear and loathing of anti-Semitism cause us to close our eyes to things we would rather not see. I find myself right there with John Schindler, the former NSA spy who writes the Top Secret Umbra newsletter. Schindler who, like me, is a Zionist and supporter of Israel writes that he hates to say it, because he backs Israel, but Epstein was probably a Mossad operative:

There's simply no mileage for American media asking difficult questions about Israel. As a lifelong Zionist and supporter of the Jewish state it pains me to say this, but few encouraged serious examination of who Epstein was really working for. Despite the fact that the dead pedophile's connections to Israel were obvious. Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's bestie and victim-procurer, was the daughter of Robert Maxwell, a British publishing executive and high-level MOSSAD agent (more on him shortly), while Ehud Barak, Israel's former prime minister and top general, spent so much time with Epstein, including whole months at a go, that even the Israeli government found it embarrassing. Merely applying Occam's Razor, without benefit of highly classified intelligence, Israel had to be the lead suspect in any examination of Epstein's foreign connections.

More Schindler:

It's centered on the stunning revelation in 2019 by then-Labor Secretary Alex Acosta that back in 2008, when Acosta was the U.S. Attorney for South Florida, he signed off on Epstein's shockingly lenient plea deal for sex crimes against minors because Justice Department higher-ups in Washington wanted him to go easy because Epstein "belonged to intelligence." Having said the unsayable, Acosta soon resigned from Trump's first cabinet under a cloud.

Acosta's admission was a game-changing event, as I reported in July 2019 when the news broke, in a deep-dive for the New York Observer titled "It Sure Looks Like Jeffrey Epstein was a Spy But Whose?" Based on my real-world counterintelligence experience, my initial conclusion was that, while U.S. intelligence had to be aware of Epstein's crimes perpetrated on American soil, against American victims, to some degree, it was unlikely that U.S. intelligence think FBI and CIA were Epstein's main partners and benefactors. Instead, foreign intelligence services were the likely culprits, probably more than one. Israel was unavoidably the lead suspect, given Epstein's close ties to that country, through Russia's "special services" made the short list too. As I concluded my analysis, "What's not in doubt is that a sex trafficking ring centered on minors, which involved numerous global VIPs in compromising situations, would be of high interest to quite a few intelligence services. The Epstein saga seems certain to get even more unpleasant and interesting."

That it certainly did. However, from the start, the Epstein story, which only got stranger with the suspect's death in his Manhattan jail cell on Aug. 10, 2019, under unexplained circumstances, was too big for the media to touch. It was all too much, with its pervert VIPs, including presidents and princes, sordid sexual perversions, vast sums of somebody's money, plus international intrigue amid hints of espionage. If some banks are too big to fail, the Epstein story was too big to cover seriously for the mainstream media, which instead focused on human interest aspects such as his victims, while avoiding tough questions, especially those two key questions I mentioned.

Few serious people wanted to talk about this, theorizes Schindler, because they didn't want to be smeared as anti-Semitic. But:

Most inquirers have been cranks, conspiracists, and bona fide anti-Semites, who got interested in Epstein only because they hated Jews. Such fringe-theorizing is easy for the powers that be to dismiss, so they have. However, the second Trump administration's astonishingly inept showcasing of the Epstein scandal, only to attempt to smother it, has opened the floodgates, and now a Republican commentator of stature [Tucker Carlson] has said the unsayable, thereby changing the debate.

Schindler is 100 percent right that this recent Epstein blow up is entirely an own goal by Donald Trump. Did you read today that Trump is now saying that those asking questions about Epstein now are "bad people"? Come on! Ridiculous. Now loyalty to Trump is putting House Republicans in the humiliating position of having to vote down a Democratic resolution that would compel the Justice Department to release all its Epstein files.] -Rod Dreher
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Assassin said:

1713 Baylor said:

He's on the list. All you guys who are trial lawyers read this the same way. The opposition hides their bad documents until you pry them out of their cold dead fingers. Stupid strategy because it isolates and emphasizes the badness of the documents and signals that the opposition can't stand the thought of them being exposed, but it happened dozens of times over a 40 year career.

None of this **** is making the light of day because Donald John Trump's name is at the top of the Epstein list. Hell, he probably had a frequent flier account.


That's just silly. If Trumps name was anywhere near a list, Democrats would have been all over it during Bidens four year reign of terror. They hated Trump, lied about him working with Russians, had the FBI over at his house in the middle of the night sniffing Melania's underwear and more.

There is absolutely no way Trump is on any list.

Dream a little dream for me. What is most likely is that corrupt venal politicians from [u]both[/u] parties are on the list, which is why corrupt venal politicians are protecting it. But if you were right and it was just filled with Democrats, it would have been published days after Trump took office.

Care to place a bet on this key issue?
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boognish_bear said:

I'm sure he does not listen to his handlers… but someone has got to tell him to quit making these comments. Saying nothing would be better than this.



He listens to no one. He's a loose cannon on deck and that is part, an incredibly tiny part, of the problem.
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Interesting how such bipartisan efforts never happened during the years of the Biden Administration.




Oh there was plenty of bipartisanship to keep it all hidden during the Biden administration.

And you can be sure there will be a lot of Democrats join hands with republicans to squash this bill and keep the Epstein stuff well hidden (after they make some political points pretending to want it released)

This bill is dead on arrival


Vote already happened in different procedural context. House GOP blocks Democrats from forcing vote on Jeffrey Epstein files

210 Dems to release
211 GOP to hide

You better start planning your spin now on why the GOP is voting in lockstep to protect pedos, cause that's where this is going.


Then why did the Biden administration protect these same pedos during the years of his presidential tenure ?

Apparently this disgusting pedo operation involves widespread coercion impacting our entire government.

Both Republicans and Democrats.

This coercion needs to be exposed. And the only way that is going to happen is if the American people increasingly demand
the names of Epstein's clients.

We agree on this--the list, along with all the supporting data, communications etc. has to come out and be exposed. Right now the Dems are posturing, the Republicans have postured on it for years. End this and let the damn stuff out and let the public make it's own judgment. We can read.
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boognish_bear said:

Guess the reports the last two days that he was going to release more information after hearing from his base were off



"Who you gonna trust? Me, or your own eyes?"
 
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