* * Epstein Files Being Released in the Next 10 Days

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Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

The_barBEARian said:

You are such a bootlicker...




But see he thinks it's ok because they aren't under 18….. or they aren't under some other certain magical age that in his mind is where pedo begins, like he claimed earlier, or that since they are adults it means they are consenting and not being trafficked because again in his mind that can't happen to adult girls or not these adult girls.

Yes, in general, I have no problem with adult men and adult women having sex with each other. Pretty sure that's how most of us got here. If it is violent / forced / coercive, we have this concept called rape that rightly makes it criminal.

If Epstein and his buddies are having sex with adult women in exchange for paying for their college tuition or otherwise keeping them in the role as sugar daddy, the authorities can certainly examine whether that is prostitution. I don't view prostitution (the oldest profession) as even remotely on par with pedophilia (having sex with prepubescent children) or with rape, but it is illegal in most places. Interestingly enough, the authorities haven't charged anyone besides Epstein with that either. I suppose they might, but they've sure had a long time to do it. And, frankly, I don't find Bill Gates paying some Russian escorts to be all that exciting or scandalous. Just makes him look dumb and immoral, but the word is full of that sort of thing.

What you fail to acknowledge is that even adults can be trafficked. There can be lots of reasons. So just because they are adult females does not mean it was consensual.

You also fail to recognize that it doesn't have to be just young children. IF they were having sex with 17 year olds, 14 year olds, etc. that is still wrong/illegal.

Robert Wilson
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cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

The_barBEARian said:

You are such a bootlicker...




But see he thinks it's ok because they aren't under 18….. or they aren't under some other certain magical age that in his mind is where pedo begins, like he claimed earlier, or that since they are adults it means they are consenting and not being trafficked because again in his mind that can't happen to adult girls or not these adult girls.

Yes, in general, I have no problem with adult men and adult women having sex with each other. Pretty sure that's how most of us got here. If it is violent / forced / coercive, we have this concept called rape that rightly makes it criminal.

If Epstein and his buddies are having sex with adult women in exchange for paying for their college tuition or otherwise keeping them in the role as sugar daddy, the authorities can certainly examine whether that is prostitution. I don't view prostitution (the oldest profession) as even remotely on par with pedophilia (having sex with prepubescent children) or with rape, but it is illegal in most places. Interestingly enough, the authorities haven't charged anyone besides Epstein with that either. I suppose they might, but they've sure had a long time to do it. And, frankly, I don't find Bill Gates paying some Russian escorts to be all that exciting or scandalous. Just makes him look dumb and immoral, but the word is full of that sort of thing.

What you fail to acknowledge is that even adults can be trafficked. There can be lots of reasons. So just because they are adult females does not mean it was consensual.

You also fail to recognize that it doesn't have to be just young children. IF they were having sex with 17 year olds, 14 year olds, etc. that is still wrong/illegal.

I didn't fail to acknowledge either. Everyone knows that sex with anyone under 18 is a crime. I've just said that there's no good evidence at this point that anyone besides Epstein did that (much less that thousands of kids were abused, or all the other histrionic nonsense people are throwing around as assumed fact). Maybe one of these other guys did have sexual contact with someone under 18, but a lot of prosecutors have looked at a lot of info for a very long time and never gotten there.

Then ... what is trafficking? What do you mean by trafficking? I mean specifically, not as a magic word. Because it seems like certain prosecutors (and lots of random people on the internet) are now mindlessly using it as a substitute for anything we would have in the past called prostitution. See, eg, P Diddy gets charged with this sprawling trafficking ring and only gets actually convicted of 2 counts of transportation for prostitution. So who here trafficked who? And how? And what does that actually mean? It's got to mean something more than adult women being paid for sex or put on a private jet to fly to fancy locales where they get paid to have sex, right? Or, if it just means that, why on earth is this thing such a massive public moral panic?
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Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

The_barBEARian said:

You are such a bootlicker...




But see he thinks it's ok because they aren't under 18….. or they aren't under some other certain magical age that in his mind is where pedo begins, like he claimed earlier, or that since they are adults it means they are consenting and not being trafficked because again in his mind that can't happen to adult girls or not these adult girls.

Yes, in general, I have no problem with adult men and adult women having sex with each other. Pretty sure that's how most of us got here. If it is violent / forced / coercive, we have this concept called rape that rightly makes it criminal.

If Epstein and his buddies are having sex with adult women in exchange for paying for their college tuition or otherwise keeping them in the role as sugar daddy, the authorities can certainly examine whether that is prostitution. I don't view prostitution (the oldest profession) as even remotely on par with pedophilia (having sex with prepubescent children) or with rape, but it is illegal in most places. Interestingly enough, the authorities haven't charged anyone besides Epstein with that either. I suppose they might, but they've sure had a long time to do it. And, frankly, I don't find Bill Gates paying some Russian escorts to be all that exciting or scandalous. Just makes him look dumb and immoral, but the word is full of that sort of thing.

What you fail to acknowledge is that even adults can be trafficked. There can be lots of reasons. So just because they are adult females does not mean it was consensual.

You also fail to recognize that it doesn't have to be just young children. IF they were having sex with 17 year olds, 14 year olds, etc. that is still wrong/illegal.

I didn't fail to acknowledge either. Everyone knows that sex with anyone under 18 is a crime. I've just said that there's no good evidence at this point that anyone besides Epstein did that (much less that thousands of kids were abused, or all the other histrionic nonsense people are throwing around as assumed fact). Maybe one of these other guys did have sexual contact with someone under 18, but a lot of prosecutors have looked at a lot of info for a very long time and never gotten there.

Then ... what is trafficking? What do you mean by trafficking? I mean specifically, not as a magic word. Because it seems like certain prosecutors (and lots of random people on the internet) are now mindlessly using it as a substitute for anything we would have in the past called prostitution. See, eg, P Diddy gets charged with this sprawling trafficking ring and only gets actually convicted of 2 counts of transportation for prostitution. So who here trafficked who? And how? And what does that actually mean? It's got to mean something more than adult women being paid for sex or put on a private jet to fly to fancy locales where they get paid to have sex, right? Or, if it just means that, why on earth is this thing such a massive public moral panic?


So you don't understand what trafficking is but are adamant it didn't happen?


Lol. Ok


Trafficking can be many different things. It can be adult women taken from one place to another and forced to be sex workers the threats, force, intimidation, drugs, etc.

For minors it can be sort of similar. Like a parent that trades their teen daughter for drugs. IE- sleep with her and give me free drugs. Which yes happens.

There are many other examples I could give but I think you get the idea. If not google it and read up on it.

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cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

The_barBEARian said:

You are such a bootlicker...




But see he thinks it's ok because they aren't under 18….. or they aren't under some other certain magical age that in his mind is where pedo begins, like he claimed earlier, or that since they are adults it means they are consenting and not being trafficked because again in his mind that can't happen to adult girls or not these adult girls.

Yes, in general, I have no problem with adult men and adult women having sex with each other. Pretty sure that's how most of us got here. If it is violent / forced / coercive, we have this concept called rape that rightly makes it criminal.

If Epstein and his buddies are having sex with adult women in exchange for paying for their college tuition or otherwise keeping them in the role as sugar daddy, the authorities can certainly examine whether that is prostitution. I don't view prostitution (the oldest profession) as even remotely on par with pedophilia (having sex with prepubescent children) or with rape, but it is illegal in most places. Interestingly enough, the authorities haven't charged anyone besides Epstein with that either. I suppose they might, but they've sure had a long time to do it. And, frankly, I don't find Bill Gates paying some Russian escorts to be all that exciting or scandalous. Just makes him look dumb and immoral, but the word is full of that sort of thing.

What you fail to acknowledge is that even adults can be trafficked. There can be lots of reasons. So just because they are adult females does not mean it was consensual.

You also fail to recognize that it doesn't have to be just young children. IF they were having sex with 17 year olds, 14 year olds, etc. that is still wrong/illegal.

I didn't fail to acknowledge either. Everyone knows that sex with anyone under 18 is a crime. I've just said that there's no good evidence at this point that anyone besides Epstein did that (much less that thousands of kids were abused, or all the other histrionic nonsense people are throwing around as assumed fact). Maybe one of these other guys did have sexual contact with someone under 18, but a lot of prosecutors have looked at a lot of info for a very long time and never gotten there.

Then ... what is trafficking? What do you mean by trafficking? I mean specifically, not as a magic word. Because it seems like certain prosecutors (and lots of random people on the internet) are now mindlessly using it as a substitute for anything we would have in the past called prostitution. See, eg, P Diddy gets charged with this sprawling trafficking ring and only gets actually convicted of 2 counts of transportation for prostitution. So who here trafficked who? And how? And what does that actually mean? It's got to mean something more than adult women being paid for sex or put on a private jet to fly to fancy locales where they get paid to have sex, right? Or, if it just means that, why on earth is this thing such a massive public moral panic?


So you don't understand what trafficking is but are adamant it didn't happen?


Lol. Ok


Trafficking can be many different things. It can be adult women taken from one place to another and forced to be sex workers the threats, force, intimidation, drugs, etc.

For minors it can be sort of similar. Like a parent that trades their teen daughter for drugs. IE- sleep with her and give me free drugs. Which yes happens.

There are many other examples I could give but I think you get the idea. If not google it and read up on it.




Uh huh

Trafficking can be many different things

What did it involve here?
cowboycwr
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Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

The_barBEARian said:

You are such a bootlicker...




But see he thinks it's ok because they aren't under 18….. or they aren't under some other certain magical age that in his mind is where pedo begins, like he claimed earlier, or that since they are adults it means they are consenting and not being trafficked because again in his mind that can't happen to adult girls or not these adult girls.

Yes, in general, I have no problem with adult men and adult women having sex with each other. Pretty sure that's how most of us got here. If it is violent / forced / coercive, we have this concept called rape that rightly makes it criminal.

If Epstein and his buddies are having sex with adult women in exchange for paying for their college tuition or otherwise keeping them in the role as sugar daddy, the authorities can certainly examine whether that is prostitution. I don't view prostitution (the oldest profession) as even remotely on par with pedophilia (having sex with prepubescent children) or with rape, but it is illegal in most places. Interestingly enough, the authorities haven't charged anyone besides Epstein with that either. I suppose they might, but they've sure had a long time to do it. And, frankly, I don't find Bill Gates paying some Russian escorts to be all that exciting or scandalous. Just makes him look dumb and immoral, but the word is full of that sort of thing.

What you fail to acknowledge is that even adults can be trafficked. There can be lots of reasons. So just because they are adult females does not mean it was consensual.

You also fail to recognize that it doesn't have to be just young children. IF they were having sex with 17 year olds, 14 year olds, etc. that is still wrong/illegal.

I didn't fail to acknowledge either. Everyone knows that sex with anyone under 18 is a crime. I've just said that there's no good evidence at this point that anyone besides Epstein did that (much less that thousands of kids were abused, or all the other histrionic nonsense people are throwing around as assumed fact). Maybe one of these other guys did have sexual contact with someone under 18, but a lot of prosecutors have looked at a lot of info for a very long time and never gotten there.

Then ... what is trafficking? What do you mean by trafficking? I mean specifically, not as a magic word. Because it seems like certain prosecutors (and lots of random people on the internet) are now mindlessly using it as a substitute for anything we would have in the past called prostitution. See, eg, P Diddy gets charged with this sprawling trafficking ring and only gets actually convicted of 2 counts of transportation for prostitution. So who here trafficked who? And how? And what does that actually mean? It's got to mean something more than adult women being paid for sex or put on a private jet to fly to fancy locales where they get paid to have sex, right? Or, if it just means that, why on earth is this thing such a massive public moral panic?


So you don't understand what trafficking is but are adamant it didn't happen?


Lol. Ok


Trafficking can be many different things. It can be adult women taken from one place to another and forced to be sex workers the threats, force, intimidation, drugs, etc.

For minors it can be sort of similar. Like a parent that trades their teen daughter for drugs. IE- sleep with her and give me free drugs. Which yes happens.

There are many other examples I could give but I think you get the idea. If not google it and read up on it.




Uh huh

Trafficking can be many different things

What did it involve here?


Re read the thread.
Robert Wilson
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cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

The_barBEARian said:

You are such a bootlicker...




But see he thinks it's ok because they aren't under 18….. or they aren't under some other certain magical age that in his mind is where pedo begins, like he claimed earlier, or that since they are adults it means they are consenting and not being trafficked because again in his mind that can't happen to adult girls or not these adult girls.

Yes, in general, I have no problem with adult men and adult women having sex with each other. Pretty sure that's how most of us got here. If it is violent / forced / coercive, we have this concept called rape that rightly makes it criminal.

If Epstein and his buddies are having sex with adult women in exchange for paying for their college tuition or otherwise keeping them in the role as sugar daddy, the authorities can certainly examine whether that is prostitution. I don't view prostitution (the oldest profession) as even remotely on par with pedophilia (having sex with prepubescent children) or with rape, but it is illegal in most places. Interestingly enough, the authorities haven't charged anyone besides Epstein with that either. I suppose they might, but they've sure had a long time to do it. And, frankly, I don't find Bill Gates paying some Russian escorts to be all that exciting or scandalous. Just makes him look dumb and immoral, but the word is full of that sort of thing.

What you fail to acknowledge is that even adults can be trafficked. There can be lots of reasons. So just because they are adult females does not mean it was consensual.

You also fail to recognize that it doesn't have to be just young children. IF they were having sex with 17 year olds, 14 year olds, etc. that is still wrong/illegal.

I didn't fail to acknowledge either. Everyone knows that sex with anyone under 18 is a crime. I've just said that there's no good evidence at this point that anyone besides Epstein did that (much less that thousands of kids were abused, or all the other histrionic nonsense people are throwing around as assumed fact). Maybe one of these other guys did have sexual contact with someone under 18, but a lot of prosecutors have looked at a lot of info for a very long time and never gotten there.

Then ... what is trafficking? What do you mean by trafficking? I mean specifically, not as a magic word. Because it seems like certain prosecutors (and lots of random people on the internet) are now mindlessly using it as a substitute for anything we would have in the past called prostitution. See, eg, P Diddy gets charged with this sprawling trafficking ring and only gets actually convicted of 2 counts of transportation for prostitution. So who here trafficked who? And how? And what does that actually mean? It's got to mean something more than adult women being paid for sex or put on a private jet to fly to fancy locales where they get paid to have sex, right? Or, if it just means that, why on earth is this thing such a massive public moral panic?


So you don't understand what trafficking is but are adamant it didn't happen?


Lol. Ok


Trafficking can be many different things. It can be adult women taken from one place to another and forced to be sex workers the threats, force, intimidation, drugs, etc.

For minors it can be sort of similar. Like a parent that trades their teen daughter for drugs. IE- sleep with her and give me free drugs. Which yes happens.

There are many other examples I could give but I think you get the idea. If not google it and read up on it.




Uh huh

Trafficking can be many different things

What did it involve here?


Re read the thread.


Here we go again. This is like when you were not willing to name one single person who is an offender besides Epstein. I'll spot you Maxwell. Surely you can name at least one. Otherwise, who is he trafficking for?
cowboycwr
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Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

The_barBEARian said:

You are such a bootlicker...




But see he thinks it's ok because they aren't under 18….. or they aren't under some other certain magical age that in his mind is where pedo begins, like he claimed earlier, or that since they are adults it means they are consenting and not being trafficked because again in his mind that can't happen to adult girls or not these adult girls.

Yes, in general, I have no problem with adult men and adult women having sex with each other. Pretty sure that's how most of us got here. If it is violent / forced / coercive, we have this concept called rape that rightly makes it criminal.

If Epstein and his buddies are having sex with adult women in exchange for paying for their college tuition or otherwise keeping them in the role as sugar daddy, the authorities can certainly examine whether that is prostitution. I don't view prostitution (the oldest profession) as even remotely on par with pedophilia (having sex with prepubescent children) or with rape, but it is illegal in most places. Interestingly enough, the authorities haven't charged anyone besides Epstein with that either. I suppose they might, but they've sure had a long time to do it. And, frankly, I don't find Bill Gates paying some Russian escorts to be all that exciting or scandalous. Just makes him look dumb and immoral, but the word is full of that sort of thing.

What you fail to acknowledge is that even adults can be trafficked. There can be lots of reasons. So just because they are adult females does not mean it was consensual.

You also fail to recognize that it doesn't have to be just young children. IF they were having sex with 17 year olds, 14 year olds, etc. that is still wrong/illegal.

I didn't fail to acknowledge either. Everyone knows that sex with anyone under 18 is a crime. I've just said that there's no good evidence at this point that anyone besides Epstein did that (much less that thousands of kids were abused, or all the other histrionic nonsense people are throwing around as assumed fact). Maybe one of these other guys did have sexual contact with someone under 18, but a lot of prosecutors have looked at a lot of info for a very long time and never gotten there.

Then ... what is trafficking? What do you mean by trafficking? I mean specifically, not as a magic word. Because it seems like certain prosecutors (and lots of random people on the internet) are now mindlessly using it as a substitute for anything we would have in the past called prostitution. See, eg, P Diddy gets charged with this sprawling trafficking ring and only gets actually convicted of 2 counts of transportation for prostitution. So who here trafficked who? And how? And what does that actually mean? It's got to mean something more than adult women being paid for sex or put on a private jet to fly to fancy locales where they get paid to have sex, right? Or, if it just means that, why on earth is this thing such a massive public moral panic?


So you don't understand what trafficking is but are adamant it didn't happen?


Lol. Ok


Trafficking can be many different things. It can be adult women taken from one place to another and forced to be sex workers the threats, force, intimidation, drugs, etc.

For minors it can be sort of similar. Like a parent that trades their teen daughter for drugs. IE- sleep with her and give me free drugs. Which yes happens.

There are many other examples I could give but I think you get the idea. If not google it and read up on it.




Uh huh

Trafficking can be many different things

What did it involve here?


Re read the thread.


Here we go again. This is like when you were not willing to name one single person who is an offender besides Epstein. I'll spot you Maxwell. Surely you can name at least one. Otherwise, who is he trafficking for?


They have been named. You refuse to believe any of the accusers/victims that have come forward and named names. You have refused to believe that any of the people who have resigned from top jobs have done so because they are guilty but rather have all done so because of the mob, even though no one is protesting or posting about those people.

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boognish_bear said:




The only problem I see here is:
What about congressmen and congresswomen who have used the fund to defend against spurious claims/money grabs? One reason I don't think I'd ever use such a fund if I was in Congress.
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cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

The_barBEARian said:

You are such a bootlicker...




But see he thinks it's ok because they aren't under 18….. or they aren't under some other certain magical age that in his mind is where pedo begins, like he claimed earlier, or that since they are adults it means they are consenting and not being trafficked because again in his mind that can't happen to adult girls or not these adult girls.

Yes, in general, I have no problem with adult men and adult women having sex with each other. Pretty sure that's how most of us got here. If it is violent / forced / coercive, we have this concept called rape that rightly makes it criminal.

If Epstein and his buddies are having sex with adult women in exchange for paying for their college tuition or otherwise keeping them in the role as sugar daddy, the authorities can certainly examine whether that is prostitution. I don't view prostitution (the oldest profession) as even remotely on par with pedophilia (having sex with prepubescent children) or with rape, but it is illegal in most places. Interestingly enough, the authorities haven't charged anyone besides Epstein with that either. I suppose they might, but they've sure had a long time to do it. And, frankly, I don't find Bill Gates paying some Russian escorts to be all that exciting or scandalous. Just makes him look dumb and immoral, but the word is full of that sort of thing.

What you fail to acknowledge is that even adults can be trafficked. There can be lots of reasons. So just because they are adult females does not mean it was consensual.

You also fail to recognize that it doesn't have to be just young children. IF they were having sex with 17 year olds, 14 year olds, etc. that is still wrong/illegal.

I didn't fail to acknowledge either. Everyone knows that sex with anyone under 18 is a crime. I've just said that there's no good evidence at this point that anyone besides Epstein did that (much less that thousands of kids were abused, or all the other histrionic nonsense people are throwing around as assumed fact). Maybe one of these other guys did have sexual contact with someone under 18, but a lot of prosecutors have looked at a lot of info for a very long time and never gotten there.

Then ... what is trafficking? What do you mean by trafficking? I mean specifically, not as a magic word. Because it seems like certain prosecutors (and lots of random people on the internet) are now mindlessly using it as a substitute for anything we would have in the past called prostitution. See, eg, P Diddy gets charged with this sprawling trafficking ring and only gets actually convicted of 2 counts of transportation for prostitution. So who here trafficked who? And how? And what does that actually mean? It's got to mean something more than adult women being paid for sex or put on a private jet to fly to fancy locales where they get paid to have sex, right? Or, if it just means that, why on earth is this thing such a massive public moral panic?


So you don't understand what trafficking is but are adamant it didn't happen?


Lol. Ok


Trafficking can be many different things. It can be adult women taken from one place to another and forced to be sex workers the threats, force, intimidation, drugs, etc.

For minors it can be sort of similar. Like a parent that trades their teen daughter for drugs. IE- sleep with her and give me free drugs. Which yes happens.

There are many other examples I could give but I think you get the idea. If not google it and read up on it.




Uh huh

Trafficking can be many different things

What did it involve here?


Re read the thread.


Here we go again. This is like when you were not willing to name one single person who is an offender besides Epstein. I'll spot you Maxwell. Surely you can name at least one. Otherwise, who is he trafficking for?


They have been named. You refuse to believe any of the accusers/victims that have come forward and named names. You have refused to believe that any of the people who have resigned from top jobs have done so because they are guilty but rather have all done so because of the mob, even though no one is protesting or posting about those people.

What victims have named what perpetrators? Which ones do you believe?
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EatMoreSalmon said:

boognish_bear said:




The only problem I see here is:
What about congressmen and congresswomen who have used the fund to defend against spurious claims/money grabs? One reason I don't think I'd ever use such a fund if I was in Congress.


That is the only problem you see?? Not the fact that such a fund exists in the first place???
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Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

The_barBEARian said:

You are such a bootlicker...




But see he thinks it's ok because they aren't under 18….. or they aren't under some other certain magical age that in his mind is where pedo begins, like he claimed earlier, or that since they are adults it means they are consenting and not being trafficked because again in his mind that can't happen to adult girls or not these adult girls.

Yes, in general, I have no problem with adult men and adult women having sex with each other. Pretty sure that's how most of us got here. If it is violent / forced / coercive, we have this concept called rape that rightly makes it criminal.

If Epstein and his buddies are having sex with adult women in exchange for paying for their college tuition or otherwise keeping them in the role as sugar daddy, the authorities can certainly examine whether that is prostitution. I don't view prostitution (the oldest profession) as even remotely on par with pedophilia (having sex with prepubescent children) or with rape, but it is illegal in most places. Interestingly enough, the authorities haven't charged anyone besides Epstein with that either. I suppose they might, but they've sure had a long time to do it. And, frankly, I don't find Bill Gates paying some Russian escorts to be all that exciting or scandalous. Just makes him look dumb and immoral, but the word is full of that sort of thing.

What you fail to acknowledge is that even adults can be trafficked. There can be lots of reasons. So just because they are adult females does not mean it was consensual.

You also fail to recognize that it doesn't have to be just young children. IF they were having sex with 17 year olds, 14 year olds, etc. that is still wrong/illegal.

I didn't fail to acknowledge either. Everyone knows that sex with anyone under 18 is a crime. I've just said that there's no good evidence at this point that anyone besides Epstein did that (much less that thousands of kids were abused, or all the other histrionic nonsense people are throwing around as assumed fact). Maybe one of these other guys did have sexual contact with someone under 18, but a lot of prosecutors have looked at a lot of info for a very long time and never gotten there.

Then ... what is trafficking? What do you mean by trafficking? I mean specifically, not as a magic word. Because it seems like certain prosecutors (and lots of random people on the internet) are now mindlessly using it as a substitute for anything we would have in the past called prostitution. See, eg, P Diddy gets charged with this sprawling trafficking ring and only gets actually convicted of 2 counts of transportation for prostitution. So who here trafficked who? And how? And what does that actually mean? It's got to mean something more than adult women being paid for sex or put on a private jet to fly to fancy locales where they get paid to have sex, right? Or, if it just means that, why on earth is this thing such a massive public moral panic?


So you don't understand what trafficking is but are adamant it didn't happen?


Lol. Ok


Trafficking can be many different things. It can be adult women taken from one place to another and forced to be sex workers the threats, force, intimidation, drugs, etc.

For minors it can be sort of similar. Like a parent that trades their teen daughter for drugs. IE- sleep with her and give me free drugs. Which yes happens.

There are many other examples I could give but I think you get the idea. If not google it and read up on it.




Uh huh

Trafficking can be many different things

What did it involve here?


Re read the thread.


Here we go again. This is like when you were not willing to name one single person who is an offender besides Epstein. I'll spot you Maxwell. Surely you can name at least one. Otherwise, who is he trafficking for?


They have been named. You refuse to believe any of the accusers/victims that have come forward and named names. You have refused to believe that any of the people who have resigned from top jobs have done so because they are guilty but rather have all done so because of the mob, even though no one is protesting or posting about those people.

What victims have named what perpetrators? Which ones do you believe?


And you are back to the same questions from before that have been answered but you refuse to accept answers until someone on this board, posting in this thread has the "evidence" and makes arrests themselves.

Read the thread and you will find all the answers you seek.
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cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

cowboycwr said:

Robert Wilson said:

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You are such a bootlicker...




But see he thinks it's ok because they aren't under 18….. or they aren't under some other certain magical age that in his mind is where pedo begins, like he claimed earlier, or that since they are adults it means they are consenting and not being trafficked because again in his mind that can't happen to adult girls or not these adult girls.

Yes, in general, I have no problem with adult men and adult women having sex with each other. Pretty sure that's how most of us got here. If it is violent / forced / coercive, we have this concept called rape that rightly makes it criminal.

If Epstein and his buddies are having sex with adult women in exchange for paying for their college tuition or otherwise keeping them in the role as sugar daddy, the authorities can certainly examine whether that is prostitution. I don't view prostitution (the oldest profession) as even remotely on par with pedophilia (having sex with prepubescent children) or with rape, but it is illegal in most places. Interestingly enough, the authorities haven't charged anyone besides Epstein with that either. I suppose they might, but they've sure had a long time to do it. And, frankly, I don't find Bill Gates paying some Russian escorts to be all that exciting or scandalous. Just makes him look dumb and immoral, but the word is full of that sort of thing.

What you fail to acknowledge is that even adults can be trafficked. There can be lots of reasons. So just because they are adult females does not mean it was consensual.

You also fail to recognize that it doesn't have to be just young children. IF they were having sex with 17 year olds, 14 year olds, etc. that is still wrong/illegal.

I didn't fail to acknowledge either. Everyone knows that sex with anyone under 18 is a crime. I've just said that there's no good evidence at this point that anyone besides Epstein did that (much less that thousands of kids were abused, or all the other histrionic nonsense people are throwing around as assumed fact). Maybe one of these other guys did have sexual contact with someone under 18, but a lot of prosecutors have looked at a lot of info for a very long time and never gotten there.

Then ... what is trafficking? What do you mean by trafficking? I mean specifically, not as a magic word. Because it seems like certain prosecutors (and lots of random people on the internet) are now mindlessly using it as a substitute for anything we would have in the past called prostitution. See, eg, P Diddy gets charged with this sprawling trafficking ring and only gets actually convicted of 2 counts of transportation for prostitution. So who here trafficked who? And how? And what does that actually mean? It's got to mean something more than adult women being paid for sex or put on a private jet to fly to fancy locales where they get paid to have sex, right? Or, if it just means that, why on earth is this thing such a massive public moral panic?


So you don't understand what trafficking is but are adamant it didn't happen?


Lol. Ok


Trafficking can be many different things. It can be adult women taken from one place to another and forced to be sex workers the threats, force, intimidation, drugs, etc.

For minors it can be sort of similar. Like a parent that trades their teen daughter for drugs. IE- sleep with her and give me free drugs. Which yes happens.

There are many other examples I could give but I think you get the idea. If not google it and read up on it.




Uh huh

Trafficking can be many different things

What did it involve here?


Re read the thread.


Here we go again. This is like when you were not willing to name one single person who is an offender besides Epstein. I'll spot you Maxwell. Surely you can name at least one. Otherwise, who is he trafficking for?


They have been named. You refuse to believe any of the accusers/victims that have come forward and named names. You have refused to believe that any of the people who have resigned from top jobs have done so because they are guilty but rather have all done so because of the mob, even though no one is protesting or posting about those people.

What victims have named what perpetrators? Which ones do you believe?


And you are back to the same questions from before that have been answered but you refuse to accept answers until someone on this board, posting in this thread has the "evidence" and makes arrests themselves.

Read the thread and you will find all the answers you seek.


Come on bro. Help me out. Just name one besides Epstein or Maxwell.
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The only problem I see here is:
What about congressmen and congresswomen who have used the fund to defend against spurious claims/money grabs? One reason I don't think I'd ever use such a fund if I was in Congress.


That is the only problem you see?? Not the fact that such a fund exists in the first place???


My "one problem" was about the release of info.
I believe I addressed that I would never use such a fund were I a congressman. I don't like the fund being there. It becomes a de facto pact of silence until there's enough pressure to open the books.

I think we are not in disagreement on the fund itself.

I would hope that there could be some discretion in the info released, but that also has its own issues once a release is started.
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And drove a $62,000 2019 Land Rover Range Rover on her prison guard salary. Noel started working at the Special Housing Unit where Epstein had been held beginning on July 7, 2019, just weeks before his death.
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What could they possibly find there? Is this the ranch that Huffines bought?
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Bestweekeverr said:

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What could they possibly find there? Is this the ranch that Huffines bought?

Graves. The Robert Wilsons of this world are desperately trying to portray that older guys having sex with 16 and 17 year old girls is the worst thing that happened.

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What could they possibly find there? Is this the ranch that Huffines bought?


Yep...it's the one Huffines bought

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