Frisco teen track/football player stabbed in the heart at track meet

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Robert Wilson
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Sounds like the kid wanted to be hard. He was. I don't think it will work out well for him.
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Forest Bueller_bf
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Some sick stuff being posted about this killing.

Some even saying things like "justice is served" with his death.

Cold hate is out there.
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Redbrickbear said:


She is black, "the baby" is black. Doubtful if she would be saying the same things if "the baby" was white. She is a pure racist
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

Some sick stuff being posted about this killing.

Some even saying things like "justice is served" with his death.

Cold hate is out there.
Turns out, demonizing white people (especially white men) ad nauseum has some negative downstream effects.
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All it took was a few years of outright hate and bigotry in all media forms and here we are. When you ask how Germans could go along with rounding up the Jews, now you see the answer. Never let them disarm you.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted because he acted in self defense. He had a right to be armed because he was there to protect people in a dangerous situation. He was not the only person armed and the people he shot were trying to kill him. IIRC, one of them even admitted that in court. That's the definition of self defense.

Naturally, we should not make any definitive judgments until all the facts come out but based upon what has been reported it seems pretty clear.

Karmelo was the only armed person involved. No one was in any danger until he pulled out a knife. Even if the victim "bullied" him, that does not justify murder. There really is no comparison of the two events. The ethnicity of everyone should be irrelevant. That's always the case in these incidents but naturally somebody always seems to make it about race & then it's politicized unnecessarily because race hustlers see something they can exploit.
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Curious that the killer's family has raised a tidy sum off of this incident:

https://notthebee.com/article/people-have-raised-over-240k-for-the-kid-who-murdered-a-teenager-at-a-track-meet-last-week
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Remember back when boys would get in fist fights and move on....

What teenager thinks lethal force is the answer to being disrespected??
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Doc Holliday said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I agree he should not have carried a knife at all. How much you want to bet there are men here that pack heat to football games?



A better comparison is teens with weapons meddling where they don't belong.


Because a high school track meet is the same as a planned riot?


You can use all the words you want. Doesn't change that both teens armed themselves looking for trouble.

The inconsistency is with you. I don't want the Frisco killer to get off with his "self defense" claim. He shouldn't have been armed or there. (Same as Rittenhouse)
I agree Rittenhouse should NOT have been there with a rifle. That is where the agreement ends.

Criminals that came after him saw that he was actually a kid in way over his head, and were in the process of murdering him when he finally broke down and started shooting.

Had he not shot them, we would be talking about his murder, not his ill conceived attempt to be a riot monitor. Well actually we probably wouldn't be talking about his murder. Plenty of other people were murdered by the rioters and we hardly knew about them.
To be clear, I am not defending the Frisco killer. What he did was criminal, and he should get 40 years. I can't imagine being the parents.

Who gets to create a situation where one is prepared for violence, and when it happens, claims self-defense? Both didn't have weapons "just in case" both had weapons and took action to be involved in violence.


As moronic as trying to equate anyone who carries with this track meet murderer. One had a weapon while protecting a city from violent rioters and used his gun when attacked after putting out a dumpster fire. The other took a knife to a TRACK MEET and provoked others by sitting in the opposing school's tent and then stabbed them to death. Kyle had the same right to be present as the rioters had. More, actually, considering Kyle was not there to break the law and the rioters were there to do exactly that. The track meet murderer had NO RIGHT to be in the opposing school's tent.


When did citizens get the right to "protect a city from rioters?" You have a right to protect your property but the right to act as judge and jury does not flow to citizens. That's responsibility of local law enforcement.

To get in my car and drive to Waco because I perceive it to be crime ridden does not fall to me. We'd be a nation of chaos if it were as you suggest.
To be clear, the people that Rittenhouse shot were attempting to kill him, according to the jury findings. One guy tried to debrain him with a skateboard, the other pointed a gun at him. This was of course after he had been violently assaulted in the initial confrontation.

I don't disagree that it was dumb, and perhaps even criminal for Rittenhouse to be carrying a firearm around town to "protect the city." But the reason he used deadly force is because people attempted to murder him, not because he was protecting the city.
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Jack Bauer said:

Remember back when boys would get in fist fights and move on....

What teenager thinks lethal force is the answer to being disrespected??
Really a shame. Was a better world when boys could get in a fist fight then shake hands and move on.
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muddybrazos said:




Been going on for decades.

However white soccer Moms often remain too sheltered to accept the 'unpleasant' realities involved.
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muddybrazos said:


And so it begins...
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Looks like he got a new high profile defense attorney, Mike Howard, with his go fund me earnings.
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muddybrazos said:



Looks like he got a new high profile defense attorney, Mike Howard, with his go fund me earnings.
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muddybrazos said:



Looks like he got a new high profile defense attorney, Mike Howard, with his go fund me earnings.
They got the best of the best.

His three ratings I saw online were

4.9/5

5/5

5/5

This is off the chart numbers.

They are saying the "Journey for Justice is a long one" online now.

The journey for justice?? F that bull****, they don't want justice, they want
to find that one individual who will refuse to convict because of skin color.

muddybrazos
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

muddybrazos said:



Looks like he got a new high profile defense attorney, Mike Howard, with his go fund me earnings.
They got the best of the best.

His three ratings I saw online were

4.9/5

5/5

5/5

This are off the chart numbers.
I guess I know who i'm calling if I ever get in trouble while in Dallas.
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muddybrazos said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

muddybrazos said:



Looks like he got a new high profile defense attorney, Mike Howard, with his go fund me earnings.
They got the best of the best.

His three ratings I saw online were

4.9/5

5/5

5/5

This are off the chart numbers.
I guess I know who i'm calling if I ever get in trouble while in Dallas.
Super Lawyers, has listed him in the top 5% of lawyers 6 years in a row.

Obviously the best of the best.
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

muddybrazos said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

muddybrazos said:



Looks like he got a new high profile defense attorney, Mike Howard, with his go fund me earnings.
They got the best of the best.

His three ratings I saw online were

4.9/5

5/5

5/5

This are off the chart numbers.
I guess I know who i'm calling if I ever get in trouble while in Dallas.
Super Lawyers, has listed him in the top 5% of lawyers 6 years in a row.

Obviously the best of the best.
Funded by BLM who still has some huge purse strings.
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After buying all those expensive mansions?
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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It's a good thing he got rid of these jackasses and hired a real lawyer. That will make it go better for all involved. Those guys were bad news.
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Robert Wilson said:

It's a good thing he got rid of these jackasses and hired a real lawyer. That will make it go better for all involved. Those guys were bad news.
Not if he gets the murderer off.

In Texas, a minor convicted of murder faces a sentence of life in prison with the possibility of parole, not life without parole, and the death penalty is not an option for juveniles, according to the Dallas Criminal Lawyer. If a juvenile court waives jurisdiction and the case is tried in adult court, the juvenile is still subject to the same penalties as an adult, except for life without parole and the death penalty, notes austinjuvenilelaw.com.

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Assassin said:

Robert Wilson said:

It's a good thing he got rid of these jackasses and hired a real lawyer. That will make it go better for all involved. Those guys were bad news.
Not if he gets the murderer off.

In Texas, a minor convicted of murder faces a sentence of life in prison with the possibility of parole, not life without parole, and the death penalty is not an option for juveniles, according to the Dallas Criminal Lawyer. If a juvenile court waives jurisdiction and the case is tried in adult court, the juvenile is still subject to the same penalties as an adult, except for life without parole and the death penalty, notes austinjuvenilelaw.com.


At some point, you've got to trust Collin County judicial system to work ... at least well enough.
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Robert Wilson said:

Assassin said:

Robert Wilson said:

It's a good thing he got rid of these jackasses and hired a real lawyer. That will make it go better for all involved. Those guys were bad news.
Not if he gets the murderer off.

In Texas, a minor convicted of murder faces a sentence of life in prison with the possibility of parole, not life without parole, and the death penalty is not an option for juveniles, according to the Dallas Criminal Lawyer. If a juvenile court waives jurisdiction and the case is tried in adult court, the juvenile is still subject to the same penalties as an adult, except for life without parole and the death penalty, notes austinjuvenilelaw.com.
At some point, you've got to trust Collin County judicial system to work ... at least well enough.
As long as they lock this kid up for the next 40 years and don't parole him, I would think that's a win. Otherwise he will take it as a green light vindicating him and he and his supporters will keep murdering
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muddybrazos said:


This bond reduction is a clear signal how this case is going to end up.

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Assassin said:

Robert Wilson said:

It's a good thing he got rid of these jackasses and hired a real lawyer. That will make it go better for all involved. Those guys were bad news.
Not if he gets the murderer off.

In Texas, a minor convicted of murder faces a sentence of life in prison with the possibility of parole, not life without parole, and the death penalty is not an option for juveniles, according to the Dallas Criminal Lawyer. If a juvenile court waives jurisdiction and the case is tried in adult court, the juvenile is still subject to the same penalties as an adult, except for life without parole and the death penalty, notes austinjuvenilelaw.com.


Will the jury be informed if the defendent has a criminal record ?
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KaiBear said:

muddybrazos said:


This bond reduction is a clear signal how this case is going to end up.


He is 17 and not a flight risk. Pretty typical

Hell, we have over 900 murders walking around on bond here in Harris County.
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KaiBear said:

Assassin said:

Robert Wilson said:

It's a good thing he got rid of these jackasses and hired a real lawyer. That will make it go better for all involved. Those guys were bad news.
Not if he gets the murderer off.

In Texas, a minor convicted of murder faces a sentence of life in prison with the possibility of parole, not life without parole, and the death penalty is not an option for juveniles, according to the Dallas Criminal Lawyer. If a juvenile court waives jurisdiction and the case is tried in adult court, the juvenile is still subject to the same penalties as an adult, except for life without parole and the death penalty, notes austinjuvenilelaw.com.


Will the jury be informed if the defendent has a criminal record ?
Not typically during the guilt / innocent phase of the trial.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Doc Holliday said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I agree he should not have carried a knife at all. How much you want to bet there are men here that pack heat to football games?



A better comparison is teens with weapons meddling where they don't belong.


Because a high school track meet is the same as a planned riot?


You can use all the words you want. Doesn't change that both teens armed themselves looking for trouble.

The inconsistency is with you. I don't want the Frisco killer to get off with his "self defense" claim. He shouldn't have been armed or there. (Same as Rittenhouse)

Have you watched the video of people chasing Rittenhouse, saying they were going to kill him? It is not the same scenario at all.
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Redbrickbear said:


So I guess when someone cuts me off, I can pull out my 9mm and unload in their car?
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In other black on white violence news that you will not see on MSM...

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