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Good on Trump

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Both warnings posted by NWS were clear cut and bold about this being life threatening, and location, even mentioning "campers" and "Kerrville". The flash flood emergency issued at 5:34 am on July 4th. "AUTOMATED RAIN GAUGES A LARGE AND DEADLY WAVE IS MOVING DOWN THE GUADALUPE… pic.twitter.com/5Om57xffu9

— Rosievortwx🌩️ (@Rosievortwx) July 5, 2025

I totally agree and think the broadcasting of warnings can be easily undetected. But if you're in a watch or warning etc, you have to do your part and make sure you're staying updated and aware of the situation.

— Rosievortwx🌩️ (@Rosievortwx) July 5, 2025

No. Their job is to forecast and send out alerts, but its up to the people to have a way to receive their warnings. If a flood happens in the middle of the night how can the NWS control that? They have to warn an event while it's happening...

— Rosievortwx🌩️ (@Rosievortwx) July 5, 2025

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Alerts do no good when people are asleep.

First thing I do with a new phone is turn off all alerts. I don't need to be woken up at 2am for an amber alert in Corpus Christi.

Or more recently I was getting calls and texts to alert for thunderstorms. I don't need those.

The alerts should be for life threatening situations and ONLY for the immediate area.

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

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Remember when Houston flooded to extreme levels and millions of people were caught unaware and couldn't get out. That was Donald Trump's fault too according to lemmings like Mitch BG.

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It's amazing that people who believe Jesus walked on water, Jonah survived inside a whale and Noah built an arch that housed 2 straight animals of all kinds can't believe that firing hundreds of meteorologists can delay the timeliness of weather warnings.

RD2 said the forecasts are usually spot on, what happened? You tell us.

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Yet an un-subsidized weather App, Accuweather beat the NWS to the punch. The Accuweather prediction came before the NWS told people to run, Accuweather with MUCH less resources, even if the NWS was missing a few people.

The NWS has a $1.3 billion per year budget. Accuweather costs nothing; it relies on ads.

The National Weather Service employs 4,800 people at 122 weather forecasting locations and 13 River forecasting locations. Accuweather has about 11% of that at 531...

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Accuweather takes NWS data, including forecasts, repackages it and charges money for subscriptions. The CEO of Accuweather was head of NOAA in 2017 and assured NWS couldn't issue forecasts to public that might compete with Accuweather.
At that time The CEO of Accuweather was the brother of the head of NOAA.
Accuweather was grossing about $50 million a year telling subscribers information that was free to the public from the Department of Commerce (where NOAA was)

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And NOAA gets 1.5 billion from the American taxpayer with close to 90% more employees., while Accuweather is more accurate.

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Not posting blame to anyone but I think people have become numb to "alerts".

Amber Alerts, Silver Alert, Weather alert.

especially in a big state like TX. You live in Austin and the alert is in Lubbock or Tyler, you just assume it doesn't affect you until it does.

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Yes exactly.

Way too many and often not even for your area. Why is an alert for McAllen on the highways signs when you are driving through DFW? Amber or silver? It shouldn't be.

Why does my phone have to go off with that annoying noise at 2am for an amber alert out of the Houston area when a person lives in Waco or dfw or Austin.

It is why everyone turns them off so that even if an alert was sent out many people still would not have gotten it during the middle of the night.

cowboycwr said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Not posting blame to anyone but I think people have become numb to "alerts".

Amber Alerts, Silver Alert, Weather alert.

especially in a big state like TX. You live in Austin and the alert is in Lubbock or Tyler, you just assume it doesn't affect you until it does.

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Yes exactly.

Way too many and often not even for your area. Why is an alert for McAllen on the highways signs when you are driving through DFW? Amber or silver? It shouldn't be.

Why does my phone have to go off with that annoying noise at 2am for an amber alert out of the Houston area when a person lives in Waco or dfw or Austin.

It is why everyone turns them off so that even if an alert was sent out many people still would not have gotten it during the middle of the night.

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A flood siren system is the way.

It would awaken one who is asleep and used when needed in specific localities.

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Both warnings posted by NWS were clear cut and bold about this being life threatening, and location, even mentioning "campers" and "Kerrville". The flash flood emergency issued at 5:34 am on July 4th. "AUTOMATED RAIN GAUGES A LARGE AND DEADLY WAVE IS MOVING DOWN THE GUADALUPE… pic.twitter.com/5Om57xffu9

— Rosievortwx🌩️ (@Rosievortwx) July 5, 2025

I totally agree and think the broadcasting of warnings can be easily undetected. But if you're in a watch or warning etc, you have to do your part and make sure you're staying updated and aware of the situation.

— Rosievortwx🌩️ (@Rosievortwx) July 5, 2025

No. Their job is to forecast and send out alerts, but its up to the people to have a way to receive their warnings. If a flood happens in the middle of the night how can the NWS control that? They have to warn an event while it's happening...

— Rosievortwx🌩️ (@Rosievortwx) July 5, 2025

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Alerts do no good when people are asleep.

First thing I do with a new phone is turn off all alerts. I don't need to be woken up at 2am for an amber alert in Corpus Christi.

Or more recently I was getting calls and texts to alert for thunderstorms. I don't need those.

The alerts should be for life threatening situations and ONLY for the immediate area.

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Air horns would probably be a partial fix, but so many are small communities down there. You would have to put one in each commmunity

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A timeline of the catastrophic Texas floods : NPR

July 2nd (Wed)

• At 4:41 p.m., early hints of severe weather came in a post on X by the National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio that said: "scattered moderate to heavy showers continue to develop and expand to the Hill Country."

July 3rd (Thurs)

• At 9:47 a.m. Texas Division of Emergency Management posted on X weather guidance in both English and Spanish, informing followers about what to do in a flood, adding: "As we head into the holiday weekend and the flood threat in West & Central TX continues, stay weather aware!"
• At some point in the morning, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick later said at a press conference, the TDEM Region 6 Assistance Chief had "personally contacted the judges and mayors in that area and notified them all of potential flooding." He said it was unclear exactly where in the region the storm would hit.
• At 3:35 p.m., the National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio announced a flood watch on X, saying "pockets of heavy rain are expected and may result in flooding." A flood watch is used when the weather conditions make a flood possible but it does not mean a flood will occur.

July 4th (Fri)

• At 12:42 a.m., the National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio posted on X upgrading its flood watch to a flood warning for part of the impacted area. In a post from 2:14 a.m., that area was expanded. A flood warning occurs when flooding is imminent or already happening.
• At 1:26 a.m., the National Weather Service's Weather Prediction Center said "flash flooding likely overnight with significant impacts possible." This message was posted on X a minute later.
• Around 3:30 a.m. the Kerrville City Manager Dalton Rice said he was out for an early morning jog along the Guadalupe River and saw "not a drop of rain," according to Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who recounted his conversation with the city manager. Rice added that he left around 4 a.m. when "there was very light rain…We did not see any signs of the river rising at that time."
• At 4:06 a.m. the National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio posted on X: "A very dangerous flash flooding event is ongoing." It ended: "Turn Around, Don't Drown!"
• Then, at 5:15 a.m. the National Weather Service San Angelo posted on X that there was a flash flood emergency. The Austin/San Antonio office posted on its X account about the emergency at 5:23 a.m. This type of alert is "exceedingly rare" and used when there is a "severe threat to human life and catastrophic damage," according to the National Weather Service.

Between 4 a.m. and 6 a.m., the Guadalupe River surged, with water levels rapidly rising as much as 30 feet, according to Rep. Roy. Local TV footage showed the empty foundations of houses, where everything else had been swept away.

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This all highlights the issue that I think people forget. This was not rain falling in the camp area or the Hunt, Kerrville area. This was rain that fell further upstream to cause this massive wall of water to then join up with the rain that had fallen in those areas to create a larger issue.

We get tornado sirens several times every year. I hate to admit I ignore all of them.

redfish961 said:

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Not posting blame to anyone but I think people have become numb to "alerts".

Amber Alerts, Silver Alert, Weather alert.

especially in a big state like TX. You live in Austin and the alert is in Lubbock or Tyler, you just assume it doesn't affect you until it does.

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Yes exactly.

Way too many and often not even for your area. Why is an alert for McAllen on the highways signs when you are driving through DFW? Amber or silver? It shouldn't be.

Why does my phone have to go off with that annoying noise at 2am for an amber alert out of the Houston area when a person lives in Waco or dfw or Austin.

It is why everyone turns them off so that even if an alert was sent out many people still would not have gotten it during the middle of the night.

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A flood siren system is the way.

It would awaken one who is asleep and used when needed in specific localities.

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Possibly. It has to be close enough to wake people up AND give them enough time to react/get to high ground and know it is not a tornado siren.

UPDATE: https://t.co/HZNZLixTWN

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) July 6, 2025

Devastating flooding in Kerr County, Texas, has killed at least 59 people as of Sunday as crews continue to search for survivors, including 11 children and one counselor still missing from a Christian summer camp.
Kerr County Sheriff Larry Leitha told reporters during a news conference Sunday morning that of the 59 confirmed dead, there were 38 adults and 21 children. Officials were still working to identify 18 of the deceased adults and four of the children.
Leitha said that 11 young girls and one counselor from Camp Mystic, a retreat along the banks of the Guadalupe River in Hunt, Texas, were still missing.
Officials had earlier said that 27 campers were missing. Officials did not immediately provide further details on the updated count.
"We will continue our search efforts until everyone is found," the sheriff said.
Additional deaths were reported in Travis, Burnet and Kendall counties, bringing the total death toll across Central Texas to nearly 70 as of Sunday morning.

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cowboycwr said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

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Remember when Houston flooded to extreme levels and millions of people were caught unaware and couldn't get out. That was Donald Trump's fault too according to lemmings like Mitch BG.

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It's amazing that people who believe Jesus walked on water, Jonah survived inside a whale and Noah built an arch that housed 2 straight animals of all kinds can't believe that firing hundreds of meteorologists can delay the timeliness of weather warnings.

RD2 said the forecasts are usually spot on, what happened? You tell us.

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Yet an un-subsidized weather App, Accuweather beat the NWS to the punch. The Accuweather prediction came before the NWS told people to run, Accuweather with MUCH less resources, even if the NWS was missing a few people.

The NWS has a $1.3 billion per year budget. Accuweather costs nothing; it relies on ads.

The National Weather Service employs 4,800 people at 122 weather forecasting locations and 13 River forecasting locations. Accuweather has about 11% of that at 531...

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Accuweather takes NWS data, including forecasts, repackages it and charges money for subscriptions. The CEO of Accuweather was head of NOAA in 2017 and assured NWS couldn't issue forecasts to public that might compete with Accuweather.
At that time The CEO of Accuweather was the brother of the head of NOAA.
Accuweather was grossing about $50 million a year telling subscribers information that was free to the public from the Department of Commerce (where NOAA was)

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., while Accuweather is more accurate.

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We don't know if that is true

Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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cowboycwr said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

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Remember when Houston flooded to extreme levels and millions of people were caught unaware and couldn't get out. That was Donald Trump's fault too according to lemmings like Mitch BG.

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It's amazing that people who believe Jesus walked on water, Jonah survived inside a whale and Noah built an arch that housed 2 straight animals of all kinds can't believe that firing hundreds of meteorologists can delay the timeliness of weather warnings.

RD2 said the forecasts are usually spot on, what happened? You tell us.

---

Yet an un-subsidized weather App, Accuweather beat the NWS to the punch. The Accuweather prediction came before the NWS told people to run, Accuweather with MUCH less resources, even if the NWS was missing a few people.

The NWS has a $1.3 billion per year budget. Accuweather costs nothing; it relies on ads.

The National Weather Service employs 4,800 people at 122 weather forecasting locations and 13 River forecasting locations. Accuweather has about 11% of that at 531...

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Accuweather takes NWS data, including forecasts, repackages it and charges money for subscriptions. The CEO of Accuweather was head of NOAA in 2017 and assured NWS couldn't issue forecasts to public that might compete with Accuweather.
At that time The CEO of Accuweather was the brother of the head of NOAA.
Accuweather was grossing about $50 million a year telling subscribers information that was free to the public from the Department of Commerce (where NOAA was)

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., while Accuweather is more accurate.

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We don't know if that is true

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They sent out flash flood warnings well before NWS.

While AccuWeather is often cited as a highly accurate source for weather forecasts, including short-term and localized predictions. Independent studies and user reviews suggest that while AccuWeather performs well, especially with severe weather and localized forecasts, other providers like The Weather Channel and Weather Underground also have strong accuracy ratings. Ultimately, the "most accurate" weather app or service can depend on the specific type of forecast (short-term, long-term, severe weather) and individual user preferences.

AccuWeather cites a study where a known competitor's forecasts were reportedly 65.6% less accurate than theirs across all locations, time periods, and parameters. AccuWeather also mentions a long-term study comparing their accuracy to the NWS, stating that AccuWeather continues its unparalleled record of proven Superior Accuracy. This study compares both to the automated forecast output generated by the NWS computer models, which forms the foundation of NWS forecasts.

Osodecentx said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

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Remember when Houston flooded to extreme levels and millions of people were caught unaware and couldn't get out. That was Donald Trump's fault too according to lemmings like Mitch BG.

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It's amazing that people who believe Jesus walked on water, Jonah survived inside a whale and Noah built an arch that housed 2 straight animals of all kinds can't believe that firing hundreds of meteorologists can delay the timeliness of weather warnings.

RD2 said the forecasts are usually spot on, what happened? You tell us.

---

Yet an un-subsidized weather App, Accuweather beat the NWS to the punch. The Accuweather prediction came before the NWS told people to run, Accuweather with MUCH less resources, even if the NWS was missing a few people.

The NWS has a $1.3 billion per year budget. Accuweather costs nothing; it relies on ads.

The National Weather Service employs 4,800 people at 122 weather forecasting locations and 13 River forecasting locations. Accuweather has about 11% of that at 531...

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Accuweather takes NWS data, including forecasts, repackages it and charges money for subscriptions. The CEO of Accuweather was head of NOAA in 2017 and assured NWS couldn't issue forecasts to public that might compete with Accuweather.
At that time The CEO of Accuweather was the brother of the head of NOAA.
Accuweather was grossing about $50 million a year telling subscribers information that was free to the public from the Department of Commerce (where NOAA was)

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., while Accuweather is more accurate.

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We don't know if that is true

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After 25 years or so of following severe weather, I find it to be true.

Accuweather is the most accurate with Weather Underground not far behind...The rest do not compete and are quite a bit more inaccurate.

I have no idea what the methodology is, but accuweather is at the top, in my opinion and it's not close.

My wife and I have been staying at Blue Oak RV Park in Kerrville, TX. Our spot was on the elevated second level of the park about 150-200 yards away from the river.
I happened to be awake around 4:30am when I heard screaming outside. I rushed outside to see the flood beginning… pic.twitter.com/vyaGGhjQin

— Jake Richards (@Jake_Me_Away) July 6, 2025

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

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Remember when Houston flooded to extreme levels and millions of people were caught unaware and couldn't get out. That was Donald Trump's fault too according to lemmings like Mitch BG.

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It's amazing that people who believe Jesus walked on water, Jonah survived inside a whale and Noah built an arch that housed 2 straight animals of all kinds can't believe that firing hundreds of meteorologists can delay the timeliness of weather warnings.

RD2 said the forecasts are usually spot on, what happened? You tell us.

---

Yet an un-subsidized weather App, Accuweather beat the NWS to the punch. The Accuweather prediction came before the NWS told people to run, Accuweather with MUCH less resources, even if the NWS was missing a few people.

The NWS has a $1.3 billion per year budget. Accuweather costs nothing; it relies on ads.

The National Weather Service employs 4,800 people at 122 weather forecasting locations and 13 River forecasting locations. Accuweather has about 11% of that at 531...

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Accuweather takes NWS data, including forecasts, repackages it and charges money for subscriptions. The CEO of Accuweather was head of NOAA in 2017 and assured NWS couldn't issue forecasts to public that might compete with Accuweather.
At that time The CEO of Accuweather was the brother of the head of NOAA.
Accuweather was grossing about $50 million a year telling subscribers information that was free to the public from the Department of Commerce (where NOAA was)

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., while Accuweather is more accurate.

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We don't know if that is true

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After 25 years or so of following severe weather, I find it to be true.

Accuweather is the most accurate with Weather Underground not far behind...The rest do not compete and are quite a bit more inaccurate.

I have no idea what the methodology is, but accuweather is at the top, in my opinion and it's not close.

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Accuweather requires a subscription, so their predictions can't be audited.

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UPDATE: https://t.co/HZNZLixTWN

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) July 6, 2025

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We found cinque. Kind of ready to cut off all the welfare checks to these worthless idiots.

And not just in Kerrville...

7 dead, 19 missing in floods in Travis, Williamson and Burnet counties.

Asking for all prayers for a miracle for my baby girl Kellyanne. She is still one of the Mystic Campers who is unaccounted for. I’ll never forget when she told me she had a lead solo in the Christmas Pageant. She is absolutely fearless. pic.twitter.com/prz7FkPtLr

— TUFB Coach_Lytal (@CoachLytal) July 6, 2025

NEW: Kerrville didn't have weather sirens used by other cities; Kerr County had asked for $ for new flood warning system since 2018; online warnings may not have been seen b/c Camp Mystic banned cell phones/smart watches/iPads. My latest with @hueyjayd: https://t.co/sZOvFf6YlY

— Matt Grant (@MattGrantKXAN) July 6, 2025

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redfish961 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

---

Remember when Houston flooded to extreme levels and millions of people were caught unaware and couldn't get out. That was Donald Trump's fault too according to lemmings like Mitch BG.

---

It's amazing that people who believe Jesus walked on water, Jonah survived inside a whale and Noah built an arch that housed 2 straight animals of all kinds can't believe that firing hundreds of meteorologists can delay the timeliness of weather warnings.

RD2 said the forecasts are usually spot on, what happened? You tell us.

---

Yet an un-subsidized weather App, Accuweather beat the NWS to the punch. The Accuweather prediction came before the NWS told people to run, Accuweather with MUCH less resources, even if the NWS was missing a few people.

The NWS has a $1.3 billion per year budget. Accuweather costs nothing; it relies on ads.

The National Weather Service employs 4,800 people at 122 weather forecasting locations and 13 River forecasting locations. Accuweather has about 11% of that at 531...

---

Accuweather takes NWS data, including forecasts, repackages it and charges money for subscriptions. The CEO of Accuweather was head of NOAA in 2017 and assured NWS couldn't issue forecasts to public that might compete with Accuweather.
At that time The CEO of Accuweather was the brother of the head of NOAA.
Accuweather was grossing about $50 million a year telling subscribers information that was free to the public from the Department of Commerce (where NOAA was)

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., while Accuweather is more accurate.

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We don't know if that is true

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After 25 years or so of following severe weather, I find it to be true.

Accuweather is the most accurate with Weather Underground not far behind...The rest do not compete and are quite a bit more inaccurate.

I have no idea what the methodology is, but accuweather is at the top, in my opinion and it's not close.

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Accuweather requires a subscription, so their predictions can't be audited.

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Say what?

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/junius-heights/75214/weather-forecast/3591406?current=true#google_vignette

My friend’s daughter’s cabin from Camp Mystic high on the hill. Counselors saved their lives. The girls woke at 2am and went back to sleep. Knew it was flooding but never imagined it would get that high. At 4am counselors turned on lights and started yelling for them to all get… pic.twitter.com/sTjjS7XYBZ

— Mary Talley Bowden MD (@MdBreathe) July 5, 2025

Heroic efforts, plain and simple. These young men will be recognized at the appropriate time. Work continues. pic.twitter.com/FJhANu5ssX

— Chip Roy (@chiproytx) July 6, 2025

Again... Kerrville.

Another round of very slow-moving, torrential downpours are expanding and moving in from the northwest. This could lead to rapid flooding of the Guadalupe and other nearby creeks/rivers. Move to higher ground! #txwx pic.twitter.com/u4Ood1oOH1

— Avery Tomasco (@averytomascowx) July 6, 2025

EMOTIONAL VIDEO: Girls being evacuated from Camp Mystic flood zone worship the Lord 🙏pic.twitter.com/HZjKDw411G

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) July 6, 2025

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cowboycwr said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Not posting blame to anyone but I think people have become numb to "alerts".

Amber Alerts, Silver Alert, Weather alert.

especially in a big state like TX. You live in Austin and the alert is in Lubbock or Tyler, you just assume it doesn't affect you until it does.

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Yes exactly.

Way too many and often not even for your area. Why is an alert for McAllen on the highways signs when you are driving through DFW? Amber or silver? It shouldn't be.

Why does my phone have to go off with that annoying noise at 2am for an amber alert out of the Houston area when a person lives in Waco or dfw or Austin.

It is why everyone turns them off so that even if an alert was sent out many people still would not have gotten it during the middle of the night.

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A flood siren system is the way.

It would awaken one who is asleep and used when needed in specific localities.

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There are gauges on many rivers measuring CF/S flow rates. It seems it would be an easy fix for a downstream siren system.

We are finding out who some of the arseholes are during this act of God

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

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Remember when Houston flooded to extreme levels and millions of people were caught unaware and couldn't get out. That was Donald Trump's fault too according to lemmings like Mitch BG.

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It's amazing that people who believe Jesus walked on water, Jonah survived inside a whale and Noah built an arch that housed 2 straight animals of all kinds can't believe that firing hundreds of meteorologists can delay the timeliness of weather warnings.

RD2 said the forecasts are usually spot on, what happened? You tell us.

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Yet an un-subsidized weather App, Accuweather beat the NWS to the punch. The Accuweather prediction came before the NWS told people to run, Accuweather with MUCH less resources, even if the NWS was missing a few people.

The NWS has a $1.3 billion per year budget. Accuweather costs nothing; it relies on ads.

The National Weather Service employs 4,800 people at 122 weather forecasting locations and 13 River forecasting locations. Accuweather has about 11% of that at 531...

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Accuweather takes NWS data, including forecasts, repackages it and charges money for subscriptions. The CEO of Accuweather was head of NOAA in 2017 and assured NWS couldn't issue forecasts to public that might compete with Accuweather.
At that time The CEO of Accuweather was the brother of the head of NOAA.
Accuweather was grossing about $50 million a year telling subscribers information that was free to the public from the Department of Commerce (where NOAA was)

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., while Accuweather is more accurate.

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We don't know if that is true

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After 25 years or so of following severe weather, I find it to be true.

Accuweather is the most accurate with Weather Underground not far behind...The rest do not compete and are quite a bit more inaccurate.

I have no idea what the methodology is, but accuweather is at the top, in my opinion and it's not close.

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Accuweather requires a subscription, so their predictions can't be audited.

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Say what?

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/junius-heights/75214/weather-forecast/3591406?current=true#google_vignette

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Looking for an independent audit of their predictions. You published one that is supported by ads, not sequential hour by hour predictions over an extended period of time
I believe Accuweather takes NWS data and predictions, repackages them and sells it to the public (who paid for it in the first place

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Osodecentx said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

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Remember when Houston flooded to extreme levels and millions of people were caught unaware and couldn't get out. That was Donald Trump's fault too according to lemmings like Mitch BG.

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It's amazing that people who believe Jesus walked on water, Jonah survived inside a whale and Noah built an arch that housed 2 straight animals of all kinds can't believe that firing hundreds of meteorologists can delay the timeliness of weather warnings.

RD2 said the forecasts are usually spot on, what happened? You tell us.

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Yet an un-subsidized weather App, Accuweather beat the NWS to the punch. The Accuweather prediction came before the NWS told people to run, Accuweather with MUCH less resources, even if the NWS was missing a few people.

The NWS has a $1.3 billion per year budget. Accuweather costs nothing; it relies on ads.

The National Weather Service employs 4,800 people at 122 weather forecasting locations and 13 River forecasting locations. Accuweather has about 11% of that at 531...

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Accuweather takes NWS data, including forecasts, repackages it and charges money for subscriptions. The CEO of Accuweather was head of NOAA in 2017 and assured NWS couldn't issue forecasts to public that might compete with Accuweather.
At that time The CEO of Accuweather was the brother of the head of NOAA.
Accuweather was grossing about $50 million a year telling subscribers information that was free to the public from the Department of Commerce (where NOAA was)

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., while Accuweather is more accurate.

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We don't know if that is true

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After 25 years or so of following severe weather, I find it to be true.

Accuweather is the most accurate with Weather Underground not far behind...The rest do not compete and are quite a bit more inaccurate.

I have no idea what the methodology is, but accuweather is at the top, in my opinion and it's not close.

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Accuweather requires a subscription, so their predictions can't be audited.

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Say what?

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/junius-heights/75214/weather-forecast/3591406?current=true#google_vignette

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Looking for an independent audit of their predictions. You published one that is supported by ads, not sequential hour by hour predictions over an extended period of time
I believe Accuweather takes NWS data and predictions, repackages them and sells it to the public (who paid for it in the first place

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A few things…

These camps are not in the city of Kerrville. They're not even particularly close to the city of Kerrville. I'm not aware of any places that rural that have siren warnings. That may be my ignorance, but I'm not aware of any.

Additionally, a big selling point of these camps and many others is that there is no cell phone use. It's a way to let your kids decompress for a week. I'm sure the directors and counselors keep theirs at least enough to communicate with each other, but it's not like you had all these phones going off if an alert was sent. You're also talking about areas with questionable cell service on a good day.

On top of all of that, I will add that I don't pay attention to those alerts anymore and generally have them turned off on my phone. I don't need to be waking up at 2 am to an amber alert from Abilene. I doubt I'm alone in that, and people who still have them on are probably quite desensitized at this point.

The most information anybody had before they went to bed was a watch. We get about two of those week in Central Texas.

I'm sure that there will be changes considered, and eventually made in response to this. And that's a good thing. But any Monday morning quarterbacking here that involves somebody spiking a football or critiquing others suffers from not only a gross absence of empathy, but also an extraordinary amount of hubris.

Robert Wilson said:

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A few things…

These camps are not in the city of Kerrville. They're not even particularly close to the city of Kerrville. I'm not aware of any places that rural that have siren warnings. That may be my ignorance, but I'm not aware of any.

Additionally, a big selling point of these camps and many others is that there is no cell phone use. It's a way to let your kids decompress for a week. I'm sure the directors and counselors keep theirs at least enough to communicate with each other, but it's not like you had all these phones going off if an alert was sent. You're also talking about areas with questionable cell service on a good day.

On top of all of that, I will add that I don't pay attention to those alerts anymore and generally have them turned off on my phone. I don't need to be waking up at 2 am to an amber alert from Abilene. I doubt I'm alone in that, and people who still have them on are probably quite desensitized at this point.

The most information anybody had before they went to bed was a watch. We get about two of those week in Central Texas.

I'm sure that there will be changes considered, and eventually made in response to this. And that's a good thing. But any Monday morning quarterbacking here that involves somebody spiking a football or critiquing others suffers from not only a gross absence of empathy, but also an extraordinary amount of hubris.

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Thank you!

The worst thing was this storm attacked at the worst time when everyone was asleep.

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Robert Wilson said:

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A few things…

These camps are not in the city of Kerrville. They're not even particularly close to the city of Kerrville. I'm not aware of any places that rural that have siren warnings. That may be my ignorance, but I'm not aware of any.

Additionally, a big selling point of these camps and many others is that there is no cell phone use. It's a way to let your kids decompress for a week. I'm sure the directors and counselors keep theirs at least enough to communicate with each other, but it's not like you had all these phones going off if an alert was sent. You're also talking about areas with questionable cell service on a good day.

On top of all of that, I will add that I don't pay attention to those alerts anymore and generally have them turned off on my phone. I don't need to be waking up at 2 am to an amber alert from Abilene. I doubt I'm alone in that, and people who still have them on are probably quite desensitized at this point.

The most information anybody had before they went to bed was a watch. We get about two of those week in Central Texas.

I'm sure that there will be changes considered, and eventually made in response to this. And that's a good thing. But any Monday morning quarterbacking here that involves somebody spiking a football or critiquing others suffers from not only a gross absence of empathy, but also an extraordinary amount of hubris.

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Thank you!

The worst thing was this storm attacked at the worst time when everyone was asleep.

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That was a big part of it. It was a perfect storm in the worst way. A three sigma event, not forecast until the last minute, in a rural area with limited communication, in the middle of the night, the night before a big holiday that involves lots of people camping and specifically coming to that area for the next day's festivities…

The death toll will continue to rise, but frankly, at this point I'm surprised at how many people did manage to wake up and get out of there, how many people were saved by first responders, and that the death total is not far far higher.

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We are finding out who some of the arseholes are during this act of God

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Mitch, 47, and most regresdives. Mean and hateful, stupid and ignorant.

Robert Wilson said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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A few things…

These camps are not in the city of Kerrville. They're not even particularly close to the city of Kerrville. I'm not aware of any places that rural that have siren warnings. That may be my ignorance, but I'm not aware of any.

Additionally, a big selling point of these camps and many others is that there is no cell phone use. It's a way to let your kids decompress for a week. I'm sure the directors and counselors keep theirs at least enough to communicate with each other, but it's not like you had all these phones going off if an alert was sent. You're also talking about areas with questionable cell service on a good day.

On top of all of that, I will add that I don't pay attention to those alerts anymore and generally have them turned off on my phone. I don't need to be waking up at 2 am to an amber alert from Abilene. I doubt I'm alone in that, and people who still have them on are probably quite desensitized at this point.

The most information anybody had before they went to bed was a watch. We get about two of those week in Central Texas.

I'm sure that there will be changes considered, and eventually made in response to this. And that's a good thing. But any Monday morning quarterbacking here that involves somebody spiking a football or critiquing others suffers from not only a gross absence of empathy, but also an extraordinary amount of hubris.

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Thank you!

The worst thing was this storm attacked at the worst time when everyone was asleep.

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That was a big part of it. It was a perfect storm in the worst way. A three sigma event, not forecast until the last minute, in a rural area with limited communication, in the middle of the night, the night before a big holiday that involves lots of people camping and specifically coming to that area for the next day's festivities…

The death toll will continue to rise, but frankly, at this point I'm surprised at how many people did manage to wake up and get out of there, how many people were saved by first responders, and that the death total is not far far higher.

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The 6.campers (so far) that perished were the most vulnerable . All 8 and 9 year old girls.

Jack Bauer said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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A few things…

These camps are not in the city of Kerrville. They're not even particularly close to the city of Kerrville. I'm not aware of any places that rural that have siren warnings. That may be my ignorance, but I'm not aware of any.

Additionally, a big selling point of these camps and many others is that there is no cell phone use. It's a way to let your kids decompress for a week. I'm sure the directors and counselors keep theirs at least enough to communicate with each other, but it's not like you had all these phones going off if an alert was sent. You're also talking about areas with questionable cell service on a good day.

On top of all of that, I will add that I don't pay attention to those alerts anymore and generally have them turned off on my phone. I don't need to be waking up at 2 am to an amber alert from Abilene. I doubt I'm alone in that, and people who still have them on are probably quite desensitized at this point.

The most information anybody had before they went to bed was a watch. We get about two of those week in Central Texas.

I'm sure that there will be changes considered, and eventually made in response to this. And that's a good thing. But any Monday morning quarterbacking here that involves somebody spiking a football or critiquing others suffers from not only a gross absence of empathy, but also an extraordinary amount of hubris.

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Thank you!

The worst thing was this storm attacked at the worst time when everyone was asleep.

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Amen!
That's why it's called a flash flood: little or no warning. And guess what? The Texas hill country is known as "flash flood alley" because they happen often.

This one reminds me of the 1972 flood in New Braunfels: 15 inches of rain in 2 hours in the middle of the night. It killed only 15 people here. I don't know about downstream.

It could happen anywhere or anytime and by definition are not very predictable. The best way to avoid them is be aware and not remain in low lying areas. And yet we still have RV parks in the river because people like to be near the river in the summer.

Two sisters from Dallas confirmed among the dead in the Texas floods.

Blair Harber, 13, and Brooke Harber, 11, were among dozens killed when sweeping floods swept through Central Texas.

The girls were staying with their grandparents along the Guadalupe River.

Their… pic.twitter.com/wt1ELSGAkn

— Oli London (@OliLondonTV) July 6, 2025