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FormerFlash said:

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Porteroso said:

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LMAO they "want" a new CBA... Yeah it's called having a job.

And what would you guys do in their shoes? Say "hmmmm, so our business loses money every year, huh... Why dont we just play for free?" No of course they want money. You do too. We all want a slice of the pie.

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I think you're missing the point. Plenty of WNBA players are loudly and repeatedly making the claim they need to be paid like NBA players. I'm not suggesting they play for free, merely that they have some self awareness and realize they exist solely because of the NBA's charity. If I were them, I'd probably be counting my blessings, doing what I can to maximize my brand to make what I can in endorsements, and keeping my mouth shut on my salary hoping the NBA doesn't reconsider.

The point is - there is no pie.

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They are delusional. They are not worth the same as NBA players. The attendance of their games & tv ratings should provide clues.

They might need remedial classes in economics and math to understand the reality of the situation. Maybe the classes should start with the laws of supply & demand.

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I can't stand the WNBA and am disappointed the NBA supported it as long as they have. Furthermore, I really don't look forward to ESPN, etc jamming it down our throats during the dogs days of summer when nothing else is on.


That said, I did hear that they are expected to start turning a profit in the near future and the players want a percentage of that. I don't think they deserve 50ish% like the men do- but if that is indeed true, I don't mind them asking for something more since they currently get less than 10%. If they are not going to turn a profit- they look even more like the fools than they already are saying "pay us what you owe us. "

Based upon current financial realities, what they are actually asking for is a pay cut. That's what they are worth today.

Yes, I understand that currently they should pay in. But, if they are projected to make $$$ in the next year or few years- that could change the dynamic a little bit. FYI- I can't stand watching women play basketball.

historian said:

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Assassin said:

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The WNBA players said a “non negotiable” in their new CBA is a revenue share.

Who wants to tell them that they don’t make any revenue without the assistance of the NBA?

— MAGA Barbie 🇺🇸👱🏼‍♀️ (@MAGABarbie317) July 18, 2025

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This should be simple: agree to revenue sharing in which the players get a percentage of profits for a certain number of years. Since the league makes zero profit, their share will be zero. I'd hate to be the guy who has to explain to them simple math but that's a separate issue.

If they actually start making a profit then it would be more complicated.

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Maybe that's why it's revenue share vs net income. Any revenue counts. Net losses are irrelevant for the the players.
Wonder if the NBA and media are stupid enough to fund that type of deal.

Just give them 50% of the profits, back-dated.

Mean girls gonna mean girl. In the end, the Golden Goose is gonna get boiled and eaten. Some things are constant and never change.

I dont think Caitlin Clark really had anything to do with the t shirt idea. I think some of the other angry lesbians came up with it and Caitlin just went along with it to seem like a team player. Caitlin and her hot teammate are reallly all this league has going for it.

Ben Shapiro's reaction is spot on:

The WNBA Gets Catty
https://www.dailywire.com/news/the-wnba-gets-catty

'If you think that you are irreplaceable in the WNBA, you've got another thing coming. They could bring in scrubs tomorrow to replace every player except for Caitlin Clark, and no one would notice. There's no such thing as "Irreplaceable" in the WNBA on a marketing level.'

The WNBA saga is pretty much peak 'Murica stupidity.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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This is perfect 'Murica.

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It absolutely is. How many CEOs make millions when their companies go bankrupt? The players are the top of the WNBA organization, they will get paid. It's everyone else in the organization that would lose big if it folded. The little guys and gals serving $10 hot dogs, ushering seats, trying to market the league.

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Ben Shapiro's reaction is spot on:

The WNBA Gets Catty
https://www.dailywire.com/news/the-wnba-gets-catty

'If you think that you are irreplaceable in the WNBA, you've got another thing coming. They could bring in scrubs tomorrow to replace every player except for Caitlin Clark, and no one would notice. There's no such thing as "Irreplaceable" in the WNBA on a marketing level.'

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Hard to argue with this

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I dont think Caitlin Clark really had anything to do with the t shirt idea. I think some of the other angry lesbians came up with it and Caitlin just went along with it to seem like a team player. Caitlin and her hot teammate are reallly all this league has going for it.

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Yea, the look on her face while wearing the shirt did not say devotee.

She should find a league that appreciates her. Go to a Euro league and make 2 million a year.

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historian said:

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Ben Shapiro's reaction is spot on:

The WNBA Gets Catty
https://www.dailywire.com/news/the-wnba-gets-catty

'If you think that you are irreplaceable in the WNBA, you've got another thing coming. They could bring in scrubs tomorrow to replace every player except for Caitlin Clark, and no one would notice. There's no such thing as "Irreplaceable" in the WNBA on a marketing level.'

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Hard to argue with this

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Heck they could bring in 75 trans "women" who hoop well and the league would be much better.

Lesbians playing sports just isn't something people are willing to pay money for these days. You can find them doing all sorts of activities on the internet for free.

" I can't stand watching women play basketball."

I would love to see women play basketball, but real basketball, not the dreck we see in the WNBA (fun fact- the 'W' in WNBA stands for Worst)

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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This is perfect 'Murica.

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It absolutely is. How many CEOs make millions when their companies go bankrupt? The players are the top of the WNBA organization, they will get paid. It's everyone else in the organization that would lose big if it folded. The little guys and gals serving $10 hot dogs, ushering seats, trying to market the league.

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Most of the people you mentioned are not full time employees. They usually are employees of the stadium that work any event the stadium has and usually as a second job not a main source of income.

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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This is perfect 'Murica.

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It absolutely is. How many CEOs make millions when their companies go bankrupt? The players are the top of the WNBA organization, they will get paid. It's everyone else in the organization that would lose big if it folded. The little guys and gals serving $10 hot dogs, ushering seats, trying to market the league.

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Most of the people you mentioned are not full time employees. They usually are employees of the stadium that work any event the stadium has and usually as a second job not a main source of income.

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I did not have the heart to tell him to stop eating boogers.

Can anyone explain why every team has not fielded its roster with NBA D-League players? If I owned a WNBA team I would 100% do that.

The fact that many posts on this thread seemingly can't distinguish between revenue and profit (or use the terms interchangeably) is not only shocking but it proves why this is an issue in the first place.

What the women want is their revenue sharing % to equal that of the men. I believe that is 9% for WNBA and 50% for the NBA.

This is a problem because the NBA posts around 11B in revenue and it will probably be closer to 12B this year.

WNBA revenue in 2024 was approx 200MM and there is some expectation it may get to 1B this year (don't think there is a Clark obsession you should probably rethink).

WNBA is experiencing the Tiger Woods effect at the moment.

If the WNBA gets the 50% they want then I see no way the NBA can support them. I think owners are willing to write off the 50MM loss as sort of a goodwill gesture (and some probably believe in the product). The question is will they be willing to write off $250MM?

What happens when the Clark demand dies down, contrary to Angel Reese's words…they are NOT tuning in to watch her, or anyone else? They are expanding 8 teams which is a ton of expense. So what happens when revenue shrinks back to $200-$400MM and you're paying 50% of that revenue in payroll? How big do the losses get before you pull the plug?

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Can anyone explain why every team has not fielded its roster with NBA D-League players? If I owned a WNBA team I would 100% do that.

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Because they could go get some guys at the HS gym and pay them $350/day and get the same result.

Without the cattiness or the silly lesbian antics. Same thing?

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The fact that many posts on this thread seemingly can't distinguish between revenue and profit (or use the terms interchangeably) is not only shocking but it proves why this is an issue in the first place.

What the women want is their revenue sharing % to equal that of the men. I believe that is 9% for WNBA and 50% for the NBA.

This is a problem because the NBA posts around 11B in revenue and it will probably be closer to 12B this year.

WNBA revenue in 2024 was approx 200MM and there is some expectation it may get to 1B this year (don't think there is a Clark obsession you should probably rethink).

WNBA is experiencing the Tiger Woods effect at the moment.

If the WNBA gets the 50% they want then I see no way the NBA can support them. I think owners are willing to write off the 50MM loss as sort of a goodwill gesture (and some probably believe in the product). The question is will they be willing to write off $250MM?

What happens when the Clark demand dies down, contrary to Angel Reese's words…they are NOT tuning in to watch her, or anyone else? They are expanding 8 teams which is a ton of expense. So what happens when revenue shrinks back to $200-$400MM and you're paying 50% of that revenue in payroll? How big do the losses get before you pull the plug?

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This is correct. It is true that the revenues for the WNBA have increased. What is also true is that the money lost has also increased. Revenue has gone up but they have invested quite a bit more into the marketing, advertising, player salaries, facilities, etc. The league used to lose $10M a year. Last year they lost $50M. The players only want to talk about the increased revenue and their share of it because it paints a much better picture. But the league losses have outpaced revenue growth so the net result is a failing product.

As everyone one knows, if you spend $2 to make $1, you're going to go out of business. Hell, if you spend $1.01 to make $1, you're going to go out of business, just not quite as quickly. Could the NBA decide to treat the WNBA like the Saudi's treat LIV and just be content losing more and more money year after year to make it happen? Sure. They could. But I doubt it.

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Without the cattiness or the silly lesbian antics. Same thing?

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Heck of a movie. That was Eugene Sandman's directorial debut.

FormerFlash said:

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The fact that many posts on this thread seemingly can't distinguish between revenue and profit (or use the terms interchangeably) is not only shocking but it proves why this is an issue in the first place.

What the women want is their revenue sharing % to equal that of the men. I believe that is 9% for WNBA and 50% for the NBA.

This is a problem because the NBA posts around 11B in revenue and it will probably be closer to 12B this year.

WNBA revenue in 2024 was approx 200MM and there is some expectation it may get to 1B this year (don't think there is a Clark obsession you should probably rethink).

WNBA is experiencing the Tiger Woods effect at the moment.

If the WNBA gets the 50% they want then I see no way the NBA can support them. I think owners are willing to write off the 50MM loss as sort of a goodwill gesture (and some probably believe in the product). The question is will they be willing to write off $250MM?

What happens when the Clark demand dies down, contrary to Angel Reese's words…they are NOT tuning in to watch her, or anyone else? They are expanding 8 teams which is a ton of expense. So what happens when revenue shrinks back to $200-$400MM and you're paying 50% of that revenue in payroll? How big do the losses get before you pull the plug?

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This is correct. It is true that the revenues for the WNBA have increased. What is also true is that the money lost has also increased. Revenue has gone up but they have invested quite a bit more into the marketing, advertising, player salaries, facilities, etc. The league used to lose $10M a year. Last year they lost $50M. The players only want to talk about the increased revenue and their share of it because it paints a much better picture. But the league losses have outpaced revenue growth so the net result is a failing product.

As everyone one knows, if you spend $2 to make $1, you're going to go out of business. Hell, if you spend $1.01 to make $1, you're going to go out of business, just not quite as quickly. Could the NBA decide to treat the WNBA like the Saudi's treat LIV and just be content losing more and more money year after year to make it happen? Sure. They could. But I doubt it.

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This is the same discussion for college sports only there is no owner making a bunch of money. Ultimately, revenue doesn't really matter. Profit matters.

It's somewhat hilarious because a hard and fast business rule is sales without profitability is liability. Which is to say revenue without profit will bankrupt you.

nein51 said:

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The fact that many posts on this thread seemingly can't distinguish between revenue and profit (or use the terms interchangeably) is not only shocking but it proves why this is an issue in the first place.

What the women want is their revenue sharing % to equal that of the men. I believe that is 9% for WNBA and 50% for the NBA.

This is a problem because the NBA posts around 11B in revenue and it will probably be closer to 12B this year.

WNBA revenue in 2024 was approx 200MM and there is some expectation it may get to 1B this year (don't think there is a Clark obsession you should probably rethink).

WNBA is experiencing the Tiger Woods effect at the moment.

If the WNBA gets the 50% they want then I see no way the NBA can support them. I think owners are willing to write off the 50MM loss as sort of a goodwill gesture (and some probably believe in the product). The question is will they be willing to write off $250MM?

What happens when the Clark demand dies down, contrary to Angel Reese's words…they are NOT tuning in to watch her, or anyone else? They are expanding 8 teams which is a ton of expense. So what happens when revenue shrinks back to $200-$400MM and you're paying 50% of that revenue in payroll? How big do the losses get before you pull the plug?

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And because they're women - illogical and catty - and many are racists, they cannot process the obvious fact that the league is Caitlyn Clark. The data demonstrates this without question. Instead of embracing her like the PGA Tour did with Tiger and realizing he lifted all boats, they may ultimately run her out of the league via injury or she just gets tired of the bull*****

Clark is marketable without the WNBA. The WNBA is not marketable without Clark.

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The WNBA players said a “non negotiable” in their new CBA is a revenue share.

Who wants to tell them that they don’t make any revenue without the assistance of the NBA?

— MAGA Barbie 🇺🇸👱🏼‍♀️ (@MAGABarbie317) July 18, 2025

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I suspect the NBA, in the name of "diversity", will have the owners kick in another $100 million to further artificially inflate this scam league's salaries and franchise values.

Did you see where some of these women's teams are worth HUNDREDS of millions after only a few years?

It's a total shell game among the super richmuch like Hunter Biden's "art" pieces.

Fever ticket sales are up 319%
Since Clark's injury ratings are down more than 50%
Attendance in games she plays is up 105%
Fever ticket prices have dropped more than 70% since she's been out

It's hilarious that some of these women are allergic to getting paid and refuse to just hop on the gravy train.

It also applies to road games: opposing teams have increased ticket sales but only when she is playing the local team. It is only because of Clark. The fans don't care much about anyone else.

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Porteroso said:

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LMAO they "want" a new CBA... Yeah it's called having a job.

And what would you guys do in their shoes? Say "hmmmm, so our business loses money every year, huh... Why dont we just play for free?" No of course they want money. You do too. We all want a slice of the pie.

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We should make Tshirts!

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You already post dumb stuff for free. You dont need the T-shirt.

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put porteroso down for a no on the tshirt oder form

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Assassin said:

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The WNBA players said a “non negotiable” in their new CBA is a revenue share.

Who wants to tell them that they don’t make any revenue without the assistance of the NBA?

— MAGA Barbie 🇺🇸👱🏼‍♀️ (@MAGABarbie317) July 18, 2025

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They damn sure don't mean net revenue. To be fair, they probably don't know what they mean.

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I think them trying to be physical like the NBA is going to come back to haunt them. It's not a good look

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Yep, if the WNBA has to pay more and in effect lose more, the WNBA may have to market itself to more than just lesbians. That may mean more clean cut types and cleaner play. No men want to watch a sport where women try to play like men.

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here is the facts, men watch mens sports and women watch.. mens sports!

They have no following and nobody to blame but themselves.

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Fever ticket sales are up 319%
Since Clark's injury ratings are down more than 50%
Attendance in games she plays is up 105%
Fever ticket prices have dropped more than 70% since she's been out

It's hilarious that some of these women are allergic to getting paid and refuse to just hop on the gravy train.

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You answered it.

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It also applies to road games: opposing teams have increased ticket sales but only when she is playing the local team. It is only because of Clark. The fans don't care much about anyone else.

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Other than the few Baylor players in the league and some of the top names from college like Diana T (from UConn), sue Bird, etc I couldn't even name players. And I actually could not tell you what teams they play for or even if they are still playing.

Like Sophia young. I did not know she had retired until I saw something in a Baylor email about her being recognized at a BU game and the email talked about her having retired.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Assassin said:

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The WNBA players said a “non negotiable” in their new CBA is a revenue share.

Who wants to tell them that they don’t make any revenue without the assistance of the NBA?

— MAGA Barbie 🇺🇸👱🏼‍♀️ (@MAGABarbie317) July 18, 2025

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They damn sure don't mean net revenue. To be fair, they probably don't know what they mean.

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I think them trying to be physical like the NBA is going to come back to haunt them. It's not a good look

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Yep, if the WNBA has to pay more and in effect lose more, the WNBA may have to market itself to more than just lesbians. That may mean more clean cut types and cleaner play. No men want to watch a sport where women try to play like men.

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here is the facts, men watch mens sports and women watch.. mens sports!

They have no following and nobody to blame but themselves.

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So true. I only watch women's sports when it is a Baylor event. And then mainly just basketball. If it was something like softball, volleyball, etc. it would be more like having it on because there is nothing else on and I am doing something else.

I sort of watched the softball championships because I was on family vacation and others wanted to watch it but I was usually playing games or putting kids to bed.

In the end, they still need a CBA.