No Kings Rallies

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Guy Noir said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Guy Noir said:



Surely you can see that the large scale deportation effort has agitated a significant part of the US population as reflected in the "No Kings" protests.

Why would anyone be surprised that a small percentage of those who voted Democrat, who wanted illegal immigration in order to increase their voter base, are agitated over removing those illegal immigrants? Is there anything new here?

And when did merely enforcing the law mean that you're being a "King"? This fully funded and synthetic narrative makes no sense at all to rational people.

Sending in National Guard soldiers with ICE is a lot stronger action than "merely enforcing the law".

It's very much necessary if ICE agents are being attacked by mobs. It's also 100% constitutional.
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whiterock said:

Nguyen One Soon said:

Guy Noir said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Guy Noir said:



Surely you can see that the large scale deportation effort has agitated a significant part of the US population as reflected in the "No Kings" protests.

Why would anyone be surprised that a small percentage of those who voted Democrat, who wanted illegal immigration in order to increase their voter base, are agitated over removing those illegal immigrants? Is there anything new here?

And when did merely enforcing the law mean that you're being a "King"? This fully funded and synthetic narrative makes no sense at all to rational people.

Sending in National Guard soldiers with ICE is a lot stronger action than "merely enforcing the law".

Not when the Portland police are ordered to not respond.


Bingo. Showing up with NG to reduce crime shows blue constituencies that the problem is not systemic oppression but rather that Democrat prosecutors are simply not doing their job.

To the extent that such action forces organized crime (like Antifa) to attack federal officers.....well, that is a side benefit. it will justify wrapping up Antifa with federal assets.

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Porteroso said:

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Utter hogwash. Mainstream Dems are protesting, and obviously the Socialists are going to tag along. This braindead rhetoric about "who is behind all the hate for Trump" is offensive. You can do better.



Lol. This past weekend was not organic nor was it mainstream dems. If it was mainstream dems it shows a big problem for that party as the rallies were all old white people. And all people getting paid.
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cowboycwr said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:



Utter hogwash. Mainstream Dems are protesting, and obviously the Socialists are going to tag along. This braindead rhetoric about "who is behind all the hate for Trump" is offensive. You can do better.



Lol. This past weekend was not organic nor was it mainstream dems. If it was mainstream dems it shows a big problem for that party as the rallies were all old white people. And all people getting paid.

LOL! They all got paid.
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cowboycwr said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:



Utter hogwash. Mainstream Dems are protesting, and obviously the Socialists are going to tag along. This braindead rhetoric about "who is behind all the hate for Trump" is offensive. You can do better.



Lol. This past weekend was not organic nor was it mainstream dems. If it was mainstream dems it shows a big problem for that party as the rallies were all old white people. And all people getting paid.

They were all old and white but definitely not all getting paid. Soros and others fund the infrastructure, communication, planning, etc., and I am sure some of the professional terrorists were there; but mostly just bored old, overweight white people who have gotten worked up into a tizzy between their own ignorance and watching The View and CNN.
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ATL Bear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.




Once again the left rallies around that which makes them unpalatable to the majority of Americans. Illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, abortion, and how they "feel". Of all the things to go at Trump on, here they are wallowing in their same stool. It is them that continue not to listen.

I didn't see much of that in the linked articles. Mostly just people concerned about the economy, healthcare, military in the streets, etc. I'd say the average American would have to go out of his way not to find at least some common ground there.
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Guy Noir said:

Wangchung said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.





So do you want open borders ?

More fentanyl ?

More dead Israelis ?

Higher gasoline prices ?

Open season on Christian speakers ?



There you go again. Accusing me of things I have not ever supported. I do not support most of the Democrat issues. I merely pointed out that a large number of people are protesting. That is a fact.

If you would like to hear the real issues that concern me, here are a few:
1. I do not think the government should be sending troops into multiple Us cities. Especially during a government shutdown. I am guessing the States will get the bill for their National Guards.
2. The ICE roundup is something on a huge scale. ICE is burning a lot of money during this shutdown. I do not believe that All of these ICE agents are essential.

Meanwhile Kristi Noem has purchased 2 new luxury jets for ICE. Air Traffic Controller are working but not getting paid.
3. Trump is spending a lot of money saber rattling for Venezuela. I think Trump needs to end the government shutdown before blowing money on B52 flight close to Venezuela.

I have stated numerous times before this that my number one issue is balancing the budget. That is where the President's focus needs to be.




Bull**** I simply asked you some questions. You did not answer a single one. As usual.

Ridiculous to expect a balanced budget is a pipe dream and will always remain so. Because it is political suicide to do whats needed, and you should understand that by now.


Your questions were quite pointed. Meaning you asked them to make a point. They were also rhetorical. Of course i support some cations on the issues in questions, It is the scale annd expense of operation that I question.

I do support a balanced budget and maybe it is a pipe dream, but I believe a financial crisis looms on the horizon if we do not balance the budget soon. That is not a pipe dream.

I do not think voters approved the scale of Trumps actions(Sending troop to US cities, Huge ICE actions, War with Venezuela) at the scale in which it is being done. I think this is true especially with a government shutdown in play


Totally disagree


The people want these illegals out of our country. Too many were criminals in their host countries.

You choose to forget the US brings in over one million immigrants legally every year. The most in the world.

The people want our cities to be safe again. Too many killings every day. Collectively it is a travesty.

Dems are single handedly shutting down the government to bail out Obamacare and provide taxpayer paid 'free' medical care for illegals .

Meanwhile putting our country at risk.

**** them.



Originally the ICE action was to remove "the worst of the worst". I agreed with that. However that action morphed into an effort to remove all illegal immigrants. I don't believe people voted for action this size. I also do not believe that you speak for the general US population as implied in your post.

Absolutely incorrect again. We want all illegals gone. All of them. We started looking for the worst of the worst and it became apparent they were within groups of non violent illegals. Easier to get them all. You're definitely in the vast minority on this topic.

Do you have a statistic showing I am in the vast minority? or are you just pulling it out of the air? Do you have a cost of this effort in estimated dollars? I am not sure I believe it is possible to remove all illegal immigrants from this country. I am not against it but I just do not think it is economically feasible. I realize that shutting the border and deporting illegals will set a positive standard, but deporting people at such a large scale will approach a point of diminishing returns.

It will never happen. Aside from the costs of deportation itself, the loss of productivity from immigrant labor would be crippling.
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Guy Noir said:

I do not get the point you are making. I think we have different interpetations of the word significant.

He's assuming they don't represent any deeper level of support. So for example, if 7 million people turn up for Trump rallies on a given day, he'd say 7 million is the literal number of Americans who support Trump.
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whiterock said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.





So do you want open borders ?

More fentanyl ?

More dead Israelis ?

Higher gasoline prices ?

Open season on Christian speakers ?



There you go again. Accusing me of things I have not ever supported. I do not support most of the Democrat issues. I merely pointed out that a large number of people are protesting. That is a fact.

If you would like to hear the real issues that concern me, here are a few:
1. I do not think the government should be sending troops into multiple Us cities. Especially during a government shutdown. I am guessing the States will get the bill for their National Guards.
2. The ICE roundup is something on a huge scale. ICE is burning a lot of money during this shutdown. I do not believe that All of these ICE agents are essential.

Meanwhile Kristi Noem has purchased 2 new luxury jets for ICE. Air Traffic Controller are working but not getting paid.
3. Trump is spending a lot of money saber rattling for Venezuela. I think Trump needs to end the government shutdown before blowing money on B52 flight close to Venezuela.

I have stated numerous times before this that my number one issue is balancing the budget. That is where the President's focus needs to be.




Bull**** I simply asked you some questions. You did not answer a single one. As usual.

Ridiculous to expect a balanced budget is a pipe dream and will always remain so. Because it is political suicide to do whats needed, and you should understand that by now.


Your questions were quite pointed. Meaning you asked them to make a point. They were also rhetorical. Of course i support some cations on the issues in questions, It is the scale annd expense of operation that I question.

I do support a balanced budget and maybe it is a pipe dream, but I believe a financial crisis looms on the horizon if we do not balance the budget soon. That is not a pipe dream.

I do not think voters approved the scale of Trumps actions(Sending troop to US cities, Huge ICE actions, War with Venezuela) at the scale in which it is being done. I think this is true especially with a government shutdown in play


Totally disagree


The people want these illegals out of our country. Too many were criminals in their host countries.

You choose to forget the US brings in over one million immigrants legally every year. The most in the world.

The people want our cities to be safe again. Too many killings every day. Collectively it is a travesty.

Dems are single handedly shutting down the government to bail out Obamacare and provide taxpayer paid 'free' medical care for illegals .

Meanwhile putting our country at risk.

**** them.



Originally the ICE action was to remove "the worst of the worst". I agreed with that. However that action morphed into an effort to remove all illegal immigrants. I don't believe people voted for action this size. I also do not believe that you speak for the general US population as implied in your post.

even polling from left leaning firms (those who have missed the last several elections by 4 or more points to the left) show that a majority of voters support deportation of all illegals.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/majority-americans-support-deporting-immigrants-who-are-us-illegally

The word "all" is noticeably absent from your source. What it actually says is that 2/3 of Americans support deportation of some illegals. Only about 1/3 support deporting them all.
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.





So do you want open borders ?

More fentanyl ?

More dead Israelis ?

Higher gasoline prices ?

Open season on Christian speakers ?



There you go again. Accusing me of things I have not ever supported. I do not support most of the Democrat issues. I merely pointed out that a large number of people are protesting. That is a fact.

If you would like to hear the real issues that concern me, here are a few:
1. I do not think the government should be sending troops into multiple Us cities. Especially during a government shutdown. I am guessing the States will get the bill for their National Guards.
2. The ICE roundup is something on a huge scale. ICE is burning a lot of money during this shutdown. I do not believe that All of these ICE agents are essential.

Meanwhile Kristi Noem has purchased 2 new luxury jets for ICE. Air Traffic Controller are working but not getting paid.
3. Trump is spending a lot of money saber rattling for Venezuela. I think Trump needs to end the government shutdown before blowing money on B52 flight close to Venezuela.

I have stated numerous times before this that my number one issue is balancing the budget. That is where the President's focus needs to be.




Bull**** I simply asked you some questions. You did not answer a single one. As usual.

Ridiculous to expect a balanced budget is a pipe dream and will always remain so. Because it is political suicide to do whats needed, and you should understand that by now.


Your questions were quite pointed. Meaning you asked them to make a point. They were also rhetorical. Of course i support some cations on the issues in questions, It is the scale annd expense of operation that I question.

I do support a balanced budget and maybe it is a pipe dream, but I believe a financial crisis looms on the horizon if we do not balance the budget soon. That is not a pipe dream.

I do not think voters approved the scale of Trumps actions(Sending troop to US cities, Huge ICE actions, War with Venezuela) at the scale in which it is being done. I think this is true especially with a government shutdown in play


Totally disagree


The people want these illegals out of our country. Too many were criminals in their host countries.

You choose to forget the US brings in over one million immigrants legally every year. The most in the world.

The people want our cities to be safe again. Too many killings every day. Collectively it is a travesty.

Dems are single handedly shutting down the government to bail out Obamacare and provide taxpayer paid 'free' medical care for illegals .

Meanwhile putting our country at risk.

**** them.



Originally the ICE action was to remove "the worst of the worst". I agreed with that. However that action morphed into an effort to remove all illegal immigrants. I don't believe people voted for action this size. I also do not believe that you speak for the general US population as implied in your post.

even polling from left leaning firms (those who have missed the last several elections by 4 or more points to the left) show that a majority of voters support deportation of all illegals.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/majority-americans-support-deporting-immigrants-who-are-us-illegally

The word "all" is noticeably absent from your source. What it actually says is that 2/3 of Americans support deportation of some illegals. Only about 1/3 support deporting them all.

Must be a typo
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.




Once again the left rallies around that which makes them unpalatable to the majority of Americans. Illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, abortion, and how they "feel". Of all the things to go at Trump on, here they are wallowing in their same stool. It is them that continue not to listen.

I didn't see much of that in the linked articles. Mostly just people concerned about the economy, healthcare, military in the streets, etc. I'd say the average American would have to go out of his way not to find at least some common ground there.
You didn't read them then.
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.




Once again the left rallies around that which makes them unpalatable to the majority of Americans. Illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, abortion, and how they "feel". Of all the things to go at Trump on, here they are wallowing in their same stool. It is them that continue not to listen.

I didn't see much of that in the linked articles. Mostly just people concerned about the economy, healthcare, military in the streets, etc. I'd say the average American would have to go out of his way not to find at least some common ground there.
You didn't read into them then.
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.




Once again the left rallies around that which makes them unpalatable to the majority of Americans. Illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, abortion, and how they "feel". Of all the things to go at Trump on, here they are wallowing in their same stool. It is them that continue not to listen.

I didn't see much of that in the linked articles. Mostly just people concerned about the economy, healthcare, military in the streets, etc. I'd say the average American would have to go out of his way not to find at least some common ground there.

You could watch the videos ... but you'll just claim they were deep fakes like Hamas killing Palestinians.
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ATL Bear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.




Once again the left rallies around that which makes them unpalatable to the majority of Americans. Illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, abortion, and how they "feel". Of all the things to go at Trump on, here they are wallowing in their same stool. It is them that continue not to listen.

First, your factual premise is incorrect.

The majority of Americans support legal abortion.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/05/13/broad-public-support-for-legal-abortion-persists-2-years-after-dobbs/

A majority of Americans believe that the the manner in whihc the administration is conducting its immigration policy is unfair.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/08/us/trump-deportation-illegal-immigrants-voters-poll.html

A majority of Americans believe in at least the "L" rights and the "G" rights. A significant minority believes in the "T" rights.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

Second, your argument misses the point of the rallies. The "No Kings" argument is about the use of the imperial presidency to effect legal, cultural, and economic change-the most dangerous of which is targeting people for their beliefs. The idea that being a "leftist" disqualifes one from being a professor, teacher, or government employee should be terrifying, but it is now celebrated.

When American citizens are detained because they look illegal; when the Department of Jusitce openly makes political retribution a priority through BS cases; when we elevate someone above the law through an immunity doctrine made out of whole cloth; when we convert our publicly funded education system to a religious training ground; when we use the military against our own people; when we use the military to blow small boats out of the water with no war-time declaration and without making any of the evidence supporting the decision public; when we use the federal budget as a bludgeon against those who we disagree with; when the president's family and friends treat the White House as the largest cash machine of all time; when we disregard facts abiut science and elections to please the whims of one man, we see a monarchy.

Third, some of that is admittedly hypocritical. Trump is the culmination of the imperial presidency, not the instigator. But he fully reveals its evils and people are right to speak out about it.



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Frank Galvin said:

ATL Bear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.




Once again the left rallies around that which makes them unpalatable to the majority of Americans. Illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, abortion, and how they "feel". Of all the things to go at Trump on, here they are wallowing in their same stool. It is them that continue not to listen.

First, your factual premise is incorrect.

The majority of Americans support legal abortion.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/05/13/broad-public-support-for-legal-abortion-persists-2-years-after-dobbs/

A majority of Americans believe that the the manner in whihc the administration is conducting its immigration policy is unfair.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/08/us/trump-deportation-illegal-immigrants-voters-poll.html

A majority of Americans believe in at least the "L" rights and the "G" rights. A significant minority believes in the "T" rights.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

Second, your argument misses the point of the rallies. The "No Kings" argument is about the use of the imperial presidency to effect legal, cultural, and economic change-the most dangerous of which is targeting people for their beliefs. The idea that being a "leftist: disqualifes one from being a professor, teacher, or government employee should be terrifying, but it is now celebrated.

When American citizens are detained because they look illegal; when the Department of Jusitce openly makes political retribution a priority through BS cases; when we elevate someone above the law through an immunity doctrine made out of whole cloth; when we convert our publicly funded education system to a religious training ground; when we use the military against our own people; when we use the military to blow small boats out of the water with no war-time declaration and without making any of the evidence supporting the decision public; when we use the federal budget as a bludgeon against those who we disagree with; when the president's family and friends treat the White House as the largest cash machine of all time; when we disregard facts abiut science and elections to please the whims of one man, we see a monarchy.

Third, some of that is admittedly hypocritical. Trump is the culmination of the imperial presidency, not the instigator. But he fully reveals its evils and people are right to speak out about it.

Exactly. The No Kings protest was in November ... and it worked.
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.




Once again the left rallies around that which makes them unpalatable to the majority of Americans. Illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, abortion, and how they "feel". Of all the things to go at Trump on, here they are wallowing in their same stool. It is them that continue not to listen.

I didn't see much of that in the linked articles. Mostly just people concerned about the economy, healthcare, military in the streets, etc. I'd say the average American would have to go out of his way not to find at least some common ground there.


You're not paying much attention then. I saw MSNBC interview a homosexual dressed as a pink, unicorn. The crowd had numerous homosexuals and transsexuals in provocative outfits. Trans flags and Palestinian flags everywhere. And then, of course, there was a ton of antifa. I was in Chicago during the protests, and antifa was everywhere. Numerous people dressed up in quasimilitary outfits with black masks. I was very thankful for the national guard presence.

Regardless, the issues you listed are of course concerns of liberals and democrats, of which I'm sure you do indeed have common ground with. But not the majority of normal Americans. But of course, we all know where your sympathies lie.
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I think we've all given Sam too much credit over the years. He is a glib and uninformed buffoon.
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Sam Lowry said:

Guy Noir said:

Wangchung said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

KaiBear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.





So do you want open borders ?

More fentanyl ?

More dead Israelis ?

Higher gasoline prices ?

Open season on Christian speakers ?



There you go again. Accusing me of things I have not ever supported. I do not support most of the Democrat issues. I merely pointed out that a large number of people are protesting. That is a fact.

If you would like to hear the real issues that concern me, here are a few:
1. I do not think the government should be sending troops into multiple Us cities. Especially during a government shutdown. I am guessing the States will get the bill for their National Guards.
2. The ICE roundup is something on a huge scale. ICE is burning a lot of money during this shutdown. I do not believe that All of these ICE agents are essential.

Meanwhile Kristi Noem has purchased 2 new luxury jets for ICE. Air Traffic Controller are working but not getting paid.
3. Trump is spending a lot of money saber rattling for Venezuela. I think Trump needs to end the government shutdown before blowing money on B52 flight close to Venezuela.

I have stated numerous times before this that my number one issue is balancing the budget. That is where the President's focus needs to be.




Bull**** I simply asked you some questions. You did not answer a single one. As usual.

Ridiculous to expect a balanced budget is a pipe dream and will always remain so. Because it is political suicide to do whats needed, and you should understand that by now.


Your questions were quite pointed. Meaning you asked them to make a point. They were also rhetorical. Of course i support some cations on the issues in questions, It is the scale annd expense of operation that I question.

I do support a balanced budget and maybe it is a pipe dream, but I believe a financial crisis looms on the horizon if we do not balance the budget soon. That is not a pipe dream.

I do not think voters approved the scale of Trumps actions(Sending troop to US cities, Huge ICE actions, War with Venezuela) at the scale in which it is being done. I think this is true especially with a government shutdown in play


Totally disagree


The people want these illegals out of our country. Too many were criminals in their host countries.

You choose to forget the US brings in over one million immigrants legally every year. The most in the world.

The people want our cities to be safe again. Too many killings every day. Collectively it is a travesty.

Dems are single handedly shutting down the government to bail out Obamacare and provide taxpayer paid 'free' medical care for illegals .

Meanwhile putting our country at risk.

**** them.



Originally the ICE action was to remove "the worst of the worst". I agreed with that. However that action morphed into an effort to remove all illegal immigrants. I don't believe people voted for action this size. I also do not believe that you speak for the general US population as implied in your post.

Absolutely incorrect again. We want all illegals gone. All of them. We started looking for the worst of the worst and it became apparent they were within groups of non violent illegals. Easier to get them all. You're definitely in the vast minority on this topic.

Do you have a statistic showing I am in the vast minority? or are you just pulling it out of the air? Do you have a cost of this effort in estimated dollars? I am not sure I believe it is possible to remove all illegal immigrants from this country. I am not against it but I just do not think it is economically feasible. I realize that shutting the border and deporting illegals will set a positive standard, but deporting people at such a large scale will approach a point of diminishing returns.

It will never happen. Aside from the costs of deportation itself, the loss of productivity from immigrant labor would be crippling.


Which rally did you attend?
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Mothra said:

I think we've all given Sam too much credit over the years. He is a glib and uninformed buffoon.

It's been the same pattern since at least covid. I remember literally quoting the studies that showed masks did not work, social distancing did not work, kids were not dying of covid, but there was an "expert" on MSNBC that said so therefore it must be true. Not different with burn loot murder, leftist violence, hate-filled anti-democracy protests ... you can review primary evidence or the gaslighting oligarch media and extremist "experts" that tell you not to trust you're lying eyes. The radical regressives fully detached from reason and reality years ago and are firmly based on emotion. That's why they cannot ever get specific or explain their positions - it is just BUT TRUMP!
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Mothra said:

I think we've all given Sam too much credit over the years. He is a glib and uninformed buffoon.

Absolutely.

I even wonder how many people have used that handle. Seems like the crazy lady from Seattle has it now.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Mothra said:

I think we've all given Sam too much credit over the years. He is a glib and uninformed buffoon.

It's been the same pattern since at least covid. I remember literally quoting the studies that showed masks did not work, social distancing did not work, kids were not dying of covid, but there was an "expert" on MSNBC that said so therefore it must be true. Not different with burn loot murder, leftist violence, hate-filled anti-democracy protests ... you can review primary evidence or the gaslighting oligarch media and extremist "experts" that tell you not to trust you're lying eyes. The radical regressives fully detached from reason and reality years ago and are firmly based on emotion. That's why they cannot ever get specific or explain their positions - it is just BUT TRUMP!

He had some very odd views before COVID (see his view on the US being responsible for Pearl Harbor, and his pro-Palestinian views) but was still quasi-conservative on some positions. And then COVID seems to have shaken him so badly that the scales fell off. I couldn't believe the government interventionism and tyranny he was supporting. Fear can do havoc on a person's psyche.

He's a lost soul at this point.
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Love and peace:


You're a white supremacist!

How?

What do you mean how?



And that small exchange just highlight the vacuous, airheaded character of the vast
majority of the "protesters".

They are simply there in bodily form.
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Love and peace:


You're a white supremacist!

How?

What do you mean how?



And that small exchange just highlight the vacuous, airheaded character of the vast
majority of the "protesters".

They are simply there in bodily form.

Sam: These are just normal, average, every-day Americans concerned about the economy.

In all seriousness, saw a poll about a month ago regarding mental illness, and the vast majority of those who have been diagnosed with same are on the left end of the political spectrum.

Not a big fan of Michael Savage, but he was correct that liberalism is a mental disorder.
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Love and peace:


You're a white supremacist!

How?

What do you mean how?

And that small exchange just highlight the vacuous, airheaded character of the vast
majority of the "protesters".

They are simply there in bodily form.

The liberal word game. I say it, therefore it is. Nazi. White supremacist. Patriarchy. Genocide. And on and on. Absolutely vapid.
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Mothra said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Mothra said:

I think we've all given Sam too much credit over the years. He is a glib and uninformed buffoon.

It's been the same pattern since at least covid. I remember literally quoting the studies that showed masks did not work, social distancing did not work, kids were not dying of covid, but there was an "expert" on MSNBC that said so therefore it must be true. Not different with burn loot murder, leftist violence, hate-filled anti-democracy protests ... you can review primary evidence or the gaslighting oligarch media and extremist "experts" that tell you not to trust you're lying eyes. The radical regressives fully detached from reason and reality years ago and are firmly based on emotion. That's why they cannot ever get specific or explain their positions - it is just BUT TRUMP!

He had some very odd views before COVID (see his view on the US being responsible for Pearl Harbor, and his pro-Palestinian views) but was still quasi-conservative on some positions. And then COVID seems to have shaken him so badly that the scales fell off. I couldn't believe the government interventionism and tyranny he was supporting. Fear can do havoc on a person's psyche.

He's a lost soul at this point.

That is the usually irony that the TDSers can never seem to understand - they want so badly to have a King ... they're just butthurt Trump was democratically elected. They would love massive social control based on social credits, thought police, "global warming," etc. But they're too stupid to realize it.

The reason we go round and round with the LWNJs is because they're always gaslighting and pretending and never saying what they actually mean or believe. This is why they never can respond to a basic, simple question because they cannot commit to a position - everything is BUT TRUMP!
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Mothra said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Mothra said:

I think we've all given Sam too much credit over the years. He is a glib and uninformed buffoon.

It's been the same pattern since at least covid. I remember literally quoting the studies that showed masks did not work, social distancing did not work, kids were not dying of covid, but there was an "expert" on MSNBC that said so therefore it must be true. Not different with burn loot murder, leftist violence, hate-filled anti-democracy protests ... you can review primary evidence or the gaslighting oligarch media and extremist "experts" that tell you not to trust you're lying eyes. The radical regressives fully detached from reason and reality years ago and are firmly based on emotion. That's why they cannot ever get specific or explain their positions - it is just BUT TRUMP!

He had some very odd views before COVID (see his view on the US being responsible for Pearl Harbor, and his pro-Palestinian views) but was still quasi-conservative on some positions. And then COVID seems to have shaken him so badly that the scales fell off. I couldn't believe the government interventionism and tyranny he was supporting. Fear can do havoc on a person's psyche.

He's a lost soul at this point.

That is the usually irony that the TDSers can never seem to understand - they want so badly to have a King ... they're just butthurt Trump was democratically elected. They would love massive social control based on social credits, thought police, "global warming," etc. But they're too stupid to realize it.

All run by Biden's auto pen.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Mothra said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Mothra said:

I think we've all given Sam too much credit over the years. He is a glib and uninformed buffoon.

It's been the same pattern since at least covid. I remember literally quoting the studies that showed masks did not work, social distancing did not work, kids were not dying of covid, but there was an "expert" on MSNBC that said so therefore it must be true. Not different with burn loot murder, leftist violence, hate-filled anti-democracy protests ... you can review primary evidence or the gaslighting oligarch media and extremist "experts" that tell you not to trust you're lying eyes. The radical regressives fully detached from reason and reality years ago and are firmly based on emotion. That's why they cannot ever get specific or explain their positions - it is just BUT TRUMP!

He had some very odd views before COVID (see his view on the US being responsible for Pearl Harbor, and his pro-Palestinian views) but was still quasi-conservative on some positions. And then COVID seems to have shaken him so badly that the scales fell off. I couldn't believe the government interventionism and tyranny he was supporting. Fear can do havoc on a person's psyche.

He's a lost soul at this point.

That is the usually irony that the TDSers can never seem to understand - they want so badly to have a King ... they're just butthurt Trump was democratically elected. They would love massive social control based on social credits, thought police, "global warming," etc. But they're too stupid to realize it.

Indeed, they were fine having a king during Biden's term, as he was using OSHA to mandate vaccines on 80 million people, and saying he would defy Supreme Court rulings on student debt.

It's such a ridiculous and disingenuous narrative.
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.




Once again the left rallies around that which makes them unpalatable to the majority of Americans. Illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, abortion, and how they "feel". Of all the things to go at Trump on, here they are wallowing in their same stool. It is them that continue not to listen.

I didn't see much of that in the linked articles. Mostly just people concerned about the economy, healthcare, military in the streets, etc. I'd say the average American would have to go out of his way not to find at least some common ground there.


You're not paying much attention then. I saw MSNBC interview a homosexual dressed as a pink, unicorn. The crowd had numerous homosexuals and transsexuals in provocative outfits. Trans flags and Palestinian flags everywhere. And then, of course, there was a ton of antifa. I was in Chicago during the protests, and antifa was everywhere. Numerous people dressed up in quasimilitary outfits with black masks. I was very thankful for the national guard presence.

Regardless, the issues you listed are of course concerns of liberals and democrats, of which I'm sure you do indeed have common ground with. But not the majority of normal Americans. But of course, we all know where your sympathies lie.

The economy is a concern of liberals and Democrats? Yeah, that sounds like a winning message.
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Covid definitely broke a few people on the right. I'm afraid some of y'all got debunked one too many times and never recovered.
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.




Once again the left rallies around that which makes them unpalatable to the majority of Americans. Illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, abortion, and how they "feel". Of all the things to go at Trump on, here they are wallowing in their same stool. It is them that continue not to listen.

I didn't see much of that in the linked articles. Mostly just people concerned about the economy, healthcare, military in the streets, etc. I'd say the average American would have to go out of his way not to find at least some common ground there.


You're not paying much attention then. I saw MSNBC interview a homosexual dressed as a pink, unicorn. The crowd had numerous homosexuals and transsexuals in provocative outfits. Trans flags and Palestinian flags everywhere. And then, of course, there was a ton of antifa. I was in Chicago during the protests, and antifa was everywhere. Numerous people dressed up in quasimilitary outfits with black masks. I was very thankful for the national guard presence.

Regardless, the issues you listed are of course concerns of liberals and democrats, of which I'm sure you do indeed have common ground with. But not the majority of normal Americans. But of course, we all know where your sympathies lie.

The economy is a concern of liberals and Democrats? Yeah, that sounds like a winning message.

Democrat concerns over the economy are democrat concerns. I haven't seen any legitimate concerns of Trump's handling of the economy raised in the protests.

I have seen a lot of trans and Palestinian flags though. But unlike you, I was actually paying attention.
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Guy Noir said:

The are a lot of people protesting in the "No Kings" Rallies. This might negate the argument that Trump has a mandate from the american people to do all the things he is doing.

Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-no-kings-protesters-at-massive-nyc-rally-reveal-motivation-for-taking-to-the-streets-disgusting

NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/no-kings-protests-trump-administration-live-updates-rcna238009

The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/18/anti-trump-no-kings-protests-updates

and many more. Perhaps Trump needs to listen to all americans, not just MAGA people.




Once again the left rallies around that which makes them unpalatable to the majority of Americans. Illegal immigrants, LGBTQ, abortion, and how they "feel". Of all the things to go at Trump on, here they are wallowing in their same stool. It is them that continue not to listen.

I didn't see much of that in the linked articles. Mostly just people concerned about the economy, healthcare, military in the streets, etc. I'd say the average American would have to go out of his way not to find at least some common ground there.


You're not paying much attention then. I saw MSNBC interview a homosexual dressed as a pink, unicorn. The crowd had numerous homosexuals and transsexuals in provocative outfits. Trans flags and Palestinian flags everywhere. And then, of course, there was a ton of antifa. I was in Chicago during the protests, and antifa was everywhere. Numerous people dressed up in quasimilitary outfits with black masks. I was very thankful for the national guard presence.

Regardless, the issues you listed are of course concerns of liberals and democrats, of which I'm sure you do indeed have common ground with. But not the majority of normal Americans. But of course, we all know where your sympathies lie.

The economy is a concern of liberals and Democrats? Yeah, that sounds like a winning message.

Democrat concerns over the economy are democrat concerns. I haven't seen any legitimate concerns of Trump's handling of the economy raised in the protests.

I have seen a lot of trans and Palestinian flags though. But unlike you, I was actually paying attention.

I'm sure you were.
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Sam Lowry said:

Covid definitely broke a few people on the right. I'm afraid some of y'all got debunked one too many times and never recovered.

I can certainly understand the suspension of Constitutional rights, as advocated by some such as yourself, as a legitimate concern that could have caused some consternation among actual conservatives. You got scared and went all in on govt. tyranny, which is what of course makes your current concerns about this administration so comedic.

You are a walking dichotomy.

 
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