Minneapolis ICE shooting

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Oldbear83
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That post was a complete pack of lies.

But you got the rant out, so in your world that's a good post, I guess.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Forest Bueller III
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Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.
Forest Bueller III
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Oldbear83 said:

That post was a complete pack of lies.

But you got the rant out, so in your world that's a good post, I guess.

No, it is not a complete pack of lies, your eyes have been blinded to truth in this incident.

You are the one seeing what you want to see.


I'm not going to be lock step with Trump, Noem and their cronies. There is no truth in their words.
America deserves better.
boognish_bear
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Did not realize ICE was making this much… Unless he is overstating it. You would think with that kind of pay you would see police jumping over to ICE.

KaiBear
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Forest Bueller III said:

Oldbear83 said:

That post was a complete pack of lies.

But you got the rant out, so in your world that's a good post, I guess.

No, it is not a complete pack of lies, your eyes have been blinded to truth in this incident.

You are the one seeing what you want to see.


I'm not going to be lock step with Trump, Noem and their cronies. There is no truth in their words.
America deserves better.


My friend no president ever batted 1000%

And the only alternative was Harris.
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I see their job postings a lot, looks like they start out between 40k-60k a year. They probably get a bit of locality in some areas and perhaps some OT on top. I think there's a sign on bonus as well.

200k sounds like a stretch though
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boognish_bear
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BigGameBaylorBear said:

I see their job postings a lot, looks like they start out between 40k-60k a year. They probably get a bit of locality in some areas and perhaps some OT on top. I think there's a sign on bonus as well.

200k sounds like a stretch though


Yeah... I saw something the other day about a $50,000 signing bonus. Maybe he's lumping that in on top of other things you mentioned like overtime.
Mothra
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Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.
boognish_bear
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From his episode with Rand Paul today

Mitch Blood Green
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Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.
Wangchung
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.
Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

Mitch Blood Green
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Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.
Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?
Robert Wilson
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.
Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


What is your effective-yet-less-invasive idea for removing the millions of illegal aliens from the country?
Mitch Blood Green
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Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.
Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


What is your effective-yet-less-invasive idea for removing the millions of illegal aliens from the country?


In 2024, more people were deported and it cost significantly less than in 2025. Start there.
Robert Wilson
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.
Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


What is your effective-yet-less-invasive idea for removing the millions of illegal aliens from the country?


Last year, more people were deported and it cost significantly less. Start there.


What years are you comparing?
Mitch Blood Green
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Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.
Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


What is your effective-yet-less-invasive idea for removing the millions of illegal aliens from the country?


Last year, more people were deported and it cost significantly less. Start there.


What years are you comparing?


2024 to 2025. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
Wangchung
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.
Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?
If we had just experienced four years of tax fraud with more being encouraged by democrats, I would be for beefing up the IRS in order to go after the rampant fraud created by the previous administration. You don't get to ignore the law and then whine when the law gets enforced on the result of your lawlessness.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

Mitch Blood Green
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Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.
Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?
If we had just experienced four years of tax fraud with more being encouraged by democrats, I would be for beefing up the IRS in order to go after the rampant fraud created by the previous administration. You don't get to ignore the law and then whine when the law gets enforced on the result of your lawlessness.


We do have tax fraud. Significant. We've reduced IRS staff to not enforce the tax law.

And if you get caught cheating? You can get pardoned.
Wangchung
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.
Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?
If we had just experienced four years of tax fraud with more being encouraged by democrats, I would be for beefing up the IRS in order to go after the rampant fraud created by the previous administration. You don't get to ignore the law and then whine when the law gets enforced on the result of your lawlessness.


We do have tax fraud. Significant. We've reduced IRS staff to not enforce the tax law.

And if you get caught cheating? You can get
pardoned.
Nope. Not what I said. Don't be dishonest.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

Johnny Bear
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Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Sounds like somebody has been spending too much time watching Rachel Maddow or The View. ICE isn't "fishing" or randomly harassing and arresting people because of the way they look. Their targets are the worst of the worst illegal aliens who in many cases have had existing warrants for their arrest out for years. Stop buying the irresponsible and dangerous leftist BS propaganda.
Waco1947
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It was a tragedy. And what of Trump's 'decency'? President Trump said at the Charlie Kirk Memorial Service: "He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent, and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry Erika."A beautiful service marred by stupidity.
Robert Wilson
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?

If we had just experienced four years of tax fraud with more being encouraged by democrats, I would be for beefing up the IRS in order to go after the rampant fraud created by the previous administration. You don't get to ignore the law and then whine when the law gets enforced on the result of your lawlessness.


We do have tax fraud. Significant. We've reduced IRS staff to not enforce the tax law.

And if you get caught cheating? You can get pardoned.

Plenty of people still going to jail for tax fraud.
Robert Wilson
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


What is your effective-yet-less-invasive idea for removing the millions of illegal aliens from the country?


Last year, more people were deported and it cost significantly less. Start there.


What years are you comparing?


2024 to 2025. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

That's not really true. Border encounters are down well over 90%, so there are less border deportations or repatriations. Interior deportations are WAY higher than in 2024, not to mention the almost 2 million self deportations that probably would not be occurring but for what ICE is doing.
Oldbear83
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Forest Bueller III said:

Oldbear83 said:

That post was a complete pack of lies.

But you got the rant out, so in your world that's a good post, I guess.

No, it is not a complete pack of lies, your eyes have been blinded to truth in this incident.

You are the one seeing what you want to see.


I'm not going to be lock step with Trump, Noem and their cronies. There is no truth in their words.
America deserves better.

Lie 1 "No, righteous anger that an "officer" unloaded two bullets point blank into the open drivers side window, into a woman's head, after any threat to him whatsoever had passed."

Lie 2 "It was against policy, it was against protocol, it was against human decency."

Lie 3 "Just as well shoot a fleeing suspect in the back of the head, pretty much the same thing."

Lie 4 "That more people on here are not upset about that aspect of the encounter is a surprise to me.
It reeks of police incompetence, it reeks of an out-of-control agency, without proper training on deescalation"

A pack of cigs has 20, and a pack of cards has 52, so yeah, maybe it wasn't a 'pack' of lies.

But nothing you posted was true.

And yeah, you are spewing estrogen like you hate seeing laws enforced.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Redbrickbear
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Forest Bueller III said:

Oldbear83 said:

Quite the tantrum in your post, kiddo.






No, righteous anger that an "officer" unloaded two bullets point blank into the open drivers side window, into a woman's head, after any threat to him whatsoever had passed..


You said the officer "unloaded" into the open window of the drivers SUV

Then how did the front windshield get hit?

Looks like from the actual picture…he shot right in front of him at the driver of an on coming vehicle that was refusing lawful orders not to drive forward toward uniformed officers



GrowlTowel
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Forest Bueller III said:

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I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Fishing is pretty good in Minnesota. Here is a list of some of the big fish recently caught in Mogadishu, MN.

Hernan Cortes-Valencia, a criminal illegal alien from Mexico with a final order of removal dated Dec. 1, 2016, who's been convicted of sexual assault against a child, sexual assault-carnal abuse and four DUIs.

Sriudorn Phaivan, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal from March 8, 2018. He's been convicted of strongarm sodomy of a boy, strongarm sodomy of a girl, another aggravated sex offense, nine counts of larceny, unauthorized use of a vehicle, four counts of fraud, vehicle theft, two counts of drug possession, obstructing justice, possession of stolen property, receiving stolen property, burglary and check forgery. He also has pending charges for two counts of receiving stolen property, flight to avoid prosecution or confinement and burglary.

Ge Yang, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal from Oct. 16, 2012. He's been convicted of strongarm rape, strongarm aggravated assault against a family member, aggravated assault with a weapon, an additional sex offense and domestic violence involving strangulation.

Vannaleut Keomany, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal dated Dec. 17, 2009. He's been convicted of two counts of attempting to commit strongarm rape.

Tou Vang, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal dated Oct. 31, 2006. He's been convicted of sexual assault and sodomy of a girl under the age of 13 and procuring a child for prostitution.

Chong Vue, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal dated March 11, 2004. He's been convicted of strongarm rape of a 12-year-old girl, kidnapping a child with intent to sexually assault her, and vehicle theft.

Kou Lor, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal from Aug. 16, 1996. He's been convicted of sexual assault, rape, rape with a weapon, statutory rape without force, two counts of burglary and shoplifting.

Pao Choua Xiong, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal dated Jan. 10, 2003. He's been convicted of rape, fondling a child, two counts of domestic violence, burglary, larceny and disorderly conduct.

Gabriel Figueroa Gama, a criminal illegal alien from Mexico who was previously removed from the U.S. in 2002 and later convicted of homicide, battery, assault and amphetamine possession.

Abdirashid Adosh Elmi, a criminal illegal alien from Somalia who's been convicted of homicide.

Abdirashid Mohamed Ahmed, a criminal illegal alien from Somalia with a final order of removal dated Feb. 18, 2022. He's been convicted of two counts of negligent manslaughter with a vehicle, two counts of DUI, larceny and damage to property.

Mongong Kual Maniang Deng, a criminal illegal alien from Sudan who's been convicted of attempt to commit homicide, weapon possession and DUI.

Aldrin Guerrero Munoz, a criminal illegal alien from Mexico with a final order of removal from Dec. 17, 2015. He's been convicted of homicide and assault.

Gilberto Salguero Landaverde, a criminal illegal alien from El Salvador with a final order of removal dated June 25, 2025. He's been convicted of three counts of homicide.

Aler Gomez Lucas, a criminal illegal alien from Guatemala with a final order of removal dated May 24, 2022. He's been convicted of negligent homicide with a vehicle and DUI.

Galuak Michael Rotgai, a criminal illegal alien from Sudan who's been convicted of homicide and assault.

Shwe Htoo, a criminal illegal alien from Burma who's been convicted of negligent homicide with a weapon.

Mariama Sia Kanu, a criminal illegal alien from Sierra Leone with a final order of removal from July 5, 2022. She's been convicted of two counts of homicide, four DUIs, three counts of larceny and burglary.

Thai Lor, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal from June 15, 2009. He's been convicted of two counts of homicide.

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We are all better off with these people gone. Get out of ICE's way.
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GrowlTowel said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Fishing is pretty good in Minnesota. Here is a list of some of the big fish recently caught in Mogadishu, MN.

Hernan Cortes-Valencia, a criminal illegal alien from Mexico with a final order of removal dated Dec. 1, 2016, who's been convicted of sexual assault against a child, sexual assault-carnal abuse and four DUIs.

Sriudorn Phaivan, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal from March 8, 2018. He's been convicted of strongarm sodomy of a boy, strongarm sodomy of a girl, another aggravated sex offense, nine counts of larceny, unauthorized use of a vehicle, four counts of fraud, vehicle theft, two counts of drug possession, obstructing justice, possession of stolen property, receiving stolen property, burglary and check forgery. He also has pending charges for two counts of receiving stolen property, flight to avoid prosecution or confinement and burglary.

Ge Yang, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal from Oct. 16, 2012. He's been convicted of strongarm rape, strongarm aggravated assault against a family member, aggravated assault with a weapon, an additional sex offense and domestic violence involving strangulation.

Vannaleut Keomany, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal dated Dec. 17, 2009. He's been convicted of two counts of attempting to commit strongarm rape.

Tou Vang, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal dated Oct. 31, 2006. He's been convicted of sexual assault and sodomy of a girl under the age of 13 and procuring a child for prostitution.

Chong Vue, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal dated March 11, 2004. He's been convicted of strongarm rape of a 12-year-old girl, kidnapping a child with intent to sexually assault her, and vehicle theft.

Kou Lor, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal from Aug. 16, 1996. He's been convicted of sexual assault, rape, rape with a weapon, statutory rape without force, two counts of burglary and shoplifting.

Pao Choua Xiong, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal dated Jan. 10, 2003. He's been convicted of rape, fondling a child, two counts of domestic violence, burglary, larceny and disorderly conduct.

Gabriel Figueroa Gama, a criminal illegal alien from Mexico who was previously removed from the U.S. in 2002 and later convicted of homicide, battery, assault and amphetamine possession.

Abdirashid Adosh Elmi, a criminal illegal alien from Somalia who's been convicted of homicide.

Abdirashid Mohamed Ahmed, a criminal illegal alien from Somalia with a final order of removal dated Feb. 18, 2022. He's been convicted of two counts of negligent manslaughter with a vehicle, two counts of DUI, larceny and damage to property.

Mongong Kual Maniang Deng, a criminal illegal alien from Sudan who's been convicted of attempt to commit homicide, weapon possession and DUI.

Aldrin Guerrero Munoz, a criminal illegal alien from Mexico with a final order of removal from Dec. 17, 2015. He's been convicted of homicide and assault.

Gilberto Salguero Landaverde, a criminal illegal alien from El Salvador with a final order of removal dated June 25, 2025. He's been convicted of three counts of homicide.

Aler Gomez Lucas, a criminal illegal alien from Guatemala with a final order of removal dated May 24, 2022. He's been convicted of negligent homicide with a vehicle and DUI.

Galuak Michael Rotgai, a criminal illegal alien from Sudan who's been convicted of homicide and assault.

Shwe Htoo, a criminal illegal alien from Burma who's been convicted of negligent homicide with a weapon.

Mariama Sia Kanu, a criminal illegal alien from Sierra Leone with a final order of removal from July 5, 2022. She's been convicted of two counts of homicide, four DUIs, three counts of larceny and burglary.

Thai Lor, a criminal illegal alien from Laos with a final order of removal from June 15, 2009. He's been convicted of two counts of homicide.

Source

We are all better off with these people gone. Get out of ICE's way.


It's not a coincidence that much of the extremist left agenda ties back to pedophilia. It hates ICE because it captured > 16K pedophiles last year and continue to do so - there is a reason the LWNJ are triggered by anything that seems to be a headwind to normalizing pedophilia.
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Frank Galvin said:

cowboycwr said:

Frank Galvin said:

Johnny Bear said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

J.R. said:

That Cowgirl tart said it was domestic terrorism 10min after the incident. Eff ICE, Eff True, Eff Annie Oakley, Eff the Pole Dancer for conducting what will be a sham investigation with her puppet master pulling the strings. Everyone has seen the video. That chit should not happen in the US.. Every ICE Agent who stood by and watched and the one who told the Dr. he could not render aid as the lady lay dying should be fired today. ICE needs to GTFO of cities. If some. ICE thug were to come round my place , he'd get a Glock 9 shot over his head. The Minneapolis Mayor had it right . ICE. "Get the Eff Out". ole Hammerskin Hank and the rest of the jack booted Brown Shirts should go eff off tool. Roll the Tanks, Hank!


Were you this outraged when Ashli Babbitt got shot?

How is this any different?

If this was the FBI killing people over anti-Israel demonstrations or the IRS invading someone's home and shooting them dead bcs they didnt pay taxes to a corrupt government who doesnt represent them... I'd agree with the reactionary sentiment to fight to the death.

Instead, this is a dumb ***** was fighting ICE over the deportation of Somali con-artists who have stolen billions from the American tax payer.

Learn to choose your battles.


What is different is that the woman was shot trying to leave while Babbit was shot trying to enter.

Guess what - if you are being detained or given an order by a law-enforcement officer, you aren't allowed to simply ignore it and "leave" and you certainly aren't allowed to willfully to drive a vehicle at a law enforcement officer regardless of the speed of the vehicle. And it's just as much breaking the law as trying to forcefully enter a restricted building, facility, or area.

I didn't say she shouldn't be arrested.

Regular police deal with difficult people thousands of times a day, every day. Incidents like yesterday are exceedingly rare, becuase regular police are good at deescalating. ICE is the opposite. If you do not immediately obey the masked, ambiguously marked "law enforcement" they immediately ratchet up the intimidation. It is poor policing and it leads to results like yesterday.

Where do you think the woman was looking when she depressed the accelerator? I think she was looking at the guy to her immediate left trying to force his way into her car. Decent chance she never even saw the shooter, let alone "aimed at him."




Then she is even more of an idiot. You do not accelerate without looking in front of you. You don't drive but look to the side. That is car driving 101.

As to ICE not deescalating things that is because the paid agitators they are dealing with will not listen to reason or lawful commands.

ICE casues her to panic, shoots her, and then says-hey don't panic. Great logic. Professional law enforcement does not work that way. De-escalate first.

She should have been cited for a traffic violation and maybe arrested for evading arrest if she did not stop after moving her car. Shooting her was ridiculous.

Paid agitators? Thanks George Wallace.

I am kind of with Robert on this one, and think the agent probably could have avoided shooting her (though I wasn't in his shoes with his vantage point).

But let's be clear about who this lady was and what she was doing. She is a social justice warrior who was deliberately in the center of the road attempting to block the paths of federal agents. She decided to flee in order to avoid arrest for breaking the law when a couple of agents approached her, with hands on her vehicle. When you are a social justice warrior willing to break laws and operate with impunity around federal agents, sorry, but being panicked is not a legitimate excuse for trying to flee and almost running them over.

Anyone who wants to break laws and harass federal agents with impunity should have enough sense to invade the US Capitol, not park in a street in her own neighborhood.

FAFO

Don't disagree with your whataboutism.

I am of the opinion that you do stupid things, win stupid prizes. Babbit was responsible for her own death. She deserved to get shot.

Agreed?

The difference is that the officer who shot Babbitt didn't have a choice. He acted to protect lives, and he waited until the last possible moment. The ICE shooting was impulsive at best, if not gratuitous, and served no real purpose.
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Frank Galvin said:

cowboycwr said:

Frank Galvin said:

Johnny Bear said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

J.R. said:

That Cowgirl tart said it was domestic terrorism 10min after the incident. Eff ICE, Eff True, Eff Annie Oakley, Eff the Pole Dancer for conducting what will be a sham investigation with her puppet master pulling the strings. Everyone has seen the video. That chit should not happen in the US.. Every ICE Agent who stood by and watched and the one who told the Dr. he could not render aid as the lady lay dying should be fired today. ICE needs to GTFO of cities. If some. ICE thug were to come round my place , he'd get a Glock 9 shot over his head. The Minneapolis Mayor had it right . ICE. "Get the Eff Out". ole Hammerskin Hank and the rest of the jack booted Brown Shirts should go eff off tool. Roll the Tanks, Hank!


Were you this outraged when Ashli Babbitt got shot?

How is this any different?

If this was the FBI killing people over anti-Israel demonstrations or the IRS invading someone's home and shooting them dead bcs they didnt pay taxes to a corrupt government who doesnt represent them... I'd agree with the reactionary sentiment to fight to the death.

Instead, this is a dumb ***** was fighting ICE over the deportation of Somali con-artists who have stolen billions from the American tax payer.

Learn to choose your battles.


What is different is that the woman was shot trying to leave while Babbit was shot trying to enter.

Guess what - if you are being detained or given an order by a law-enforcement officer, you aren't allowed to simply ignore it and "leave" and you certainly aren't allowed to willfully to drive a vehicle at a law enforcement officer regardless of the speed of the vehicle. And it's just as much breaking the law as trying to forcefully enter a restricted building, facility, or area.

I didn't say she shouldn't be arrested.

Regular police deal with difficult people thousands of times a day, every day. Incidents like yesterday are exceedingly rare, becuase regular police are good at deescalating. ICE is the opposite. If you do not immediately obey the masked, ambiguously marked "law enforcement" they immediately ratchet up the intimidation. It is poor policing and it leads to results like yesterday.

Where do you think the woman was looking when she depressed the accelerator? I think she was looking at the guy to her immediate left trying to force his way into her car. Decent chance she never even saw the shooter, let alone "aimed at him."




Then she is even more of an idiot. You do not accelerate without looking in front of you. You don't drive but look to the side. That is car driving 101.

As to ICE not deescalating things that is because the paid agitators they are dealing with will not listen to reason or lawful commands.

ICE casues her to panic, shoots her, and then says-hey don't panic. Great logic. Professional law enforcement does not work that way. De-escalate first.

She should have been cited for a traffic violation and maybe arrested for evading arrest if she did not stop after moving her car. Shooting her was ridiculous.

Paid agitators? Thanks George Wallace.

I am kind of with Robert on this one, and think the agent probably could have avoided shooting her (though I wasn't in his shoes with his vantage point).

But let's be clear about who this lady was and what she was doing. She is a social justice warrior who was deliberately in the center of the road attempting to block the paths of federal agents. She decided to flee in order to avoid arrest for breaking the law when a couple of agents approached her, with hands on her vehicle. When you are a social justice warrior willing to break laws and operate with impunity around federal agents, sorry, but being panicked is not a legitimate excuse for trying to flee and almost running them over.

Anyone who wants to break laws and harass federal agents with impunity should have enough sense to invade the US Capitol, not park in a street in her own neighborhood.

FAFO

Don't disagree with your whataboutism.

I am of the opinion that you do stupid things, win stupid prizes. Babbit was responsible for her own death. She deserved to get shot.

Agreed?

The difference is that the officer who shot Babbitt didn't have a choice. He acted to protect lives, and he waited until the last possible moment. The ICE shooting was impulsive at best, if not gratuitous, and served no real purpose.


There were officers standing so close to Ashli Babbitt when she was shot…they that themselves could have been hit.

Let's not rewrite history

Veteran Ashli Babbitt was doing something wrong and putting herself in a dangerous situation. But it was far from a shot needed to "protect lives".

The DC officer was looking at a woman standing up on the ledge on the another side of a door (and standing close to officers on the other side near her that did not seem distressed or in any immediate danger.)

[official Department of Justice and USCP accounts consistently identify three officers who were stationed at the doors immediately prior to the breach. ]

While the ICE officer In Minnesota was looking directly at a car coming at him.


Harrison Bergeron
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Frank Galvin said:

cowboycwr said:

Frank Galvin said:

Johnny Bear said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

J.R. said:

That Cowgirl tart said it was domestic terrorism 10min after the incident. Eff ICE, Eff True, Eff Annie Oakley, Eff the Pole Dancer for conducting what will be a sham investigation with her puppet master pulling the strings. Everyone has seen the video. That chit should not happen in the US.. Every ICE Agent who stood by and watched and the one who told the Dr. he could not render aid as the lady lay dying should be fired today. ICE needs to GTFO of cities. If some. ICE thug were to come round my place , he'd get a Glock 9 shot over his head. The Minneapolis Mayor had it right . ICE. "Get the Eff Out". ole Hammerskin Hank and the rest of the jack booted Brown Shirts should go eff off tool. Roll the Tanks, Hank!


Were you this outraged when Ashli Babbitt got shot?

How is this any different?

If this was the FBI killing people over anti-Israel demonstrations or the IRS invading someone's home and shooting them dead bcs they didnt pay taxes to a corrupt government who doesnt represent them... I'd agree with the reactionary sentiment to fight to the death.

Instead, this is a dumb ***** was fighting ICE over the deportation of Somali con-artists who have stolen billions from the American tax payer.

Learn to choose your battles.


What is different is that the woman was shot trying to leave while Babbit was shot trying to enter.

Guess what - if you are being detained or given an order by a law-enforcement officer, you aren't allowed to simply ignore it and "leave" and you certainly aren't allowed to willfully to drive a vehicle at a law enforcement officer regardless of the speed of the vehicle. And it's just as much breaking the law as trying to forcefully enter a restricted building, facility, or area.

I didn't say she shouldn't be arrested.

Regular police deal with difficult people thousands of times a day, every day. Incidents like yesterday are exceedingly rare, becuase regular police are good at deescalating. ICE is the opposite. If you do not immediately obey the masked, ambiguously marked "law enforcement" they immediately ratchet up the intimidation. It is poor policing and it leads to results like yesterday.

Where do you think the woman was looking when she depressed the accelerator? I think she was looking at the guy to her immediate left trying to force his way into her car. Decent chance she never even saw the shooter, let alone "aimed at him."




Then she is even more of an idiot. You do not accelerate without looking in front of you. You don't drive but look to the side. That is car driving 101.

As to ICE not deescalating things that is because the paid agitators they are dealing with will not listen to reason or lawful commands.

ICE casues her to panic, shoots her, and then says-hey don't panic. Great logic. Professional law enforcement does not work that way. De-escalate first.

She should have been cited for a traffic violation and maybe arrested for evading arrest if she did not stop after moving her car. Shooting her was ridiculous.

Paid agitators? Thanks George Wallace.

I am kind of with Robert on this one, and think the agent probably could have avoided shooting her (though I wasn't in his shoes with his vantage point).

But let's be clear about who this lady was and what she was doing. She is a social justice warrior who was deliberately in the center of the road attempting to block the paths of federal agents. She decided to flee in order to avoid arrest for breaking the law when a couple of agents approached her, with hands on her vehicle. When you are a social justice warrior willing to break laws and operate with impunity around federal agents, sorry, but being panicked is not a legitimate excuse for trying to flee and almost running them over.

Anyone who wants to break laws and harass federal agents with impunity should have enough sense to invade the US Capitol, not park in a street in her own neighborhood.

FAFO

Don't disagree with your whataboutism.

I am of the opinion that you do stupid things, win stupid prizes. Babbit was responsible for her own death. She deserved to get shot.

Agreed?

The difference is that the officer who shot Babbitt didn't have a choice. He acted to protect lives, and he waited until the last possible moment. The ICE shooting was impulsive at best, if not gratuitous, and served no real purpose.


How many people died as a result of the unauthorized tour of the Capitol?

Do you support cops shooting unarmed civilians for entering
public spaces?
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Sam Lowry
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The officers outside the door had done everything they could to slow the crowd's advance, but they were cornered and in no position to do anything more. By all accounts they were distressed enough. They would have been even more distressed if the door had come down and they'd found themselves caught between it and an onrushing mob.
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Sam Lowry said:

The officers outside the door had done everything they could to slow the crowd's advance, but they were cornered and in no position to do anything more. By all accounts they were distressed enough. They would have been even more distressed if the door had come down and they'd found themselves caught between it and an onrushing mob.


Source? Certainly you have one. Was not there an investigation?

Cite it or stop posting your opinions as facts.
Redbrickbear
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Sam Lowry said:

The officers outside the door had done everything they could to slow the crowd's advance, but they were cornered and in no position to do anything more. By all accounts they were distressed enough. They would have been even more distressed if the door had come down and they'd found themselves caught between it and an onrushing mob.


You are now backpedaling and making other unverified claims.

You can see by the video there were only a few protestors at the doors to the Senate Chamber (not a large mob).

Now again..maybe it was a justified shot and maybe it was not

The officers outside the door did not feel the need to shoot.

Point being that if we are comparing two female protestors being shot by officers of the law…the one coming at an officer with a car is probably objectively more understandable… in terms of making a active fire decision… than the other one just standing and pounding on a glass door next to officers.

The lesson should be don't ignore police orders and don't put yourself in very dangerous situations/confrontations with law enforcement.

But you are spinning the Ashli Babbit shooting to fit your ideological narrative

Harrison Bergeron
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Sam Lowry said:

The officers outside the door had done everything they could to slow the crowd's advance, but they were cornered and in no position to do anything more. By all accounts they were distressed enough. They would have been even more distressed if the door had come down and they'd found themselves caught between it and an onrushing mob.


How many people died as a result of the unauthorized tour of the Capitol?

Do you support cops shooting unarmed civilians for entering
public spaces?
 
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