GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam: " I guess that's why he likes to kidnap people from their jobs."

Arrest =/= 'kidnap'

Sam's gone deep into the well to be reduced to outright lies.

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Sorry, I mean I guess that's why he likes to arrest people at their jobs.

You know, so they can be more productive.

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An illegal does not have a job. They cannot legally work

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And yet they do.

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And vote.

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and drive

probably 35 in a 30

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

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You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

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No.

What happened determines legality and morality.

Style points are irrelevant.

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If you don't follow the process, you don't know what happened.

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We know what happened. That's why you want to complain about style points.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

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You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

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No.

What happened determines legality and morality.

Style points are irrelevant.

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If you don't follow the process, you don't know what happened.

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We know what happened. That's why you want to complain about style points.

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Nah.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

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You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

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No.

What happened determines legality and morality.

Style points are irrelevant.

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If you don't follow the process, you don't know what happened.

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We know what happened. That's why you want to complain about style points.

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Nah.Always

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Translated from 'Sam' to English

It's tempting to draw a parallel between the evangelical/fundamentalist approach to scriptural interpretation and the big government conservative approach to evidence and due process. In both cases it seems to be, "I have the TRUTH. Everyone else is wrong. Don't ask me how I know. I just do." I wonder what relationship there is between the two.

Sam Lowry said:

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It's tempting to draw a parallel between the evangelical/fundamentalist approach to scriptural interpretation and the big government conservative approach to evidence and due process. In the both cases it seems to be, "I have the TRUTH. Everyone else is wrong. Don't ask me how I know. I just do." I wonder what relationship there is between the two.

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Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd, as if on cue, Sam attempts to make Law Enforcement a 'scriptural interpretation' debate.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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It's tempting to draw a parallel between the evangelical/fundamentalist approach to scriptural interpretation and the big government conservative approach to evidence and due process. In the both cases it seems to be, "I have the TRUTH. Everyone else is wrong. Don't ask me how I know. I just do." I wonder what relationship there is between the two.

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Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd, as if on cue, Sam attempts to make Law Enforcement a 'scriptural interpretation' debate.

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Perish the thought. It's not like we're talking about foreign policy here.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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It's tempting to draw a parallel between the evangelical/fundamentalist approach to scriptural interpretation and the big government conservative approach to evidence and due process. In the both cases it seems to be, "I have the TRUTH. Everyone else is wrong. Don't ask me how I know. I just do." I wonder what relationship there is between the two.

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Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd, as if on cue, Sam attempts to make Law Enforcement a 'scriptural interpretation' debate.

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Perish the thought. It's not like we're talking about foreign policy here.

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You were the one trying to drag the topic into unrelated territory, so ...

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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It's tempting to draw a parallel between the evangelical/fundamentalist approach to scriptural interpretation and the big government conservative approach to evidence and due process. In the both cases it seems to be, "I have the TRUTH. Everyone else is wrong. Don't ask me how I know. I just do." I wonder what relationship there is between the two.

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Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd, as if on cue, Sam attempts to make Law Enforcement a 'scriptural interpretation' debate.

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Perish the thought. It's not like we're talking about foreign policy here.

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You were the one trying to drag the topic into unrelated territory, so ...

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Just a passing observation.

Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

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You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

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You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

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It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.

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You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

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You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

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You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

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It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.

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You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

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I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.

Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

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You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

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You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

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It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.

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You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

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I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.

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Now that last statement is very much not true!

Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

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You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

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You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

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It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.

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You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

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I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.

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Then act like it.

Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

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You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

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You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

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It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.

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You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

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I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.

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Funny that you cared so little about the civil liberties about folks that trespassed at the Capitol on 1/6/21. I think it is so painfully obvious is all you care about is the political activism part. Part of self-awareness is knowing yourself and your motivations.

FLBear5630 said:

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I have to respect Reagan and his tough decision for amnesty rather than go through this ***** I wonder if he knew what this would turn into. Set parameters, but having those that have been working and raising families be able to get amnesty, like Reagan did.

That would free Law Enforcement to spend time on those that need to be out of here.

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Well let's remember that Reagan had only 3 million people in the USA that would qualify for amnesty.

Most had come as kids during WWII era (from Mexico looking for jobs in factories or Europe escaping the war)…many had been here 40 years

An no amnesty was offered for any with criminal records or who were communists or members of any radical group.

It was small percentage amnesty and one overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and both parties.

It also came with big promises from Congressional progressives that immigration rules would be tightened up and enforcement increased after the amnesty and moving into the future.

America is in a totally different situation in 2025 and dealing with numbers many more times larger