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GrowlTowel said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Oldbear83 said:

Sam: " I guess that's why he likes to kidnap people from their jobs."

Arrest =/= 'kidnap'

Sam's gone deep into the well to be reduced to outright lies.

Sorry, I mean I guess that's why he likes to arrest people at their jobs.

You know, so they can be more productive.


An illegal does not have a job. They cannot legally work
And yet they do.


And vote.
and drive

probably 35 in a 30
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

No.

What happened determines legality and morality.

Style points are irrelevant.

If you don't follow the process, you don't know what happened.

We know what happened. That's why you want to complain about style points.
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Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

No.

What happened determines legality and morality.

Style points are irrelevant.

If you don't follow the process, you don't know what happened.

We know what happened. That's why you want to complain about style points.

Nah.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.

No.

What happened determines legality and morality.

Style points are irrelevant.

If you don't follow the process, you don't know what happened.

We know what happened. That's why you want to complain about style points.

Nah.Always

Translated from 'Sam' to English
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Sam Lowry
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It's tempting to draw a parallel between the evangelical/fundamentalist approach to scriptural interpretation and the big government conservative approach to evidence and due process. In both cases it seems to be, "I have the TRUTH. Everyone else is wrong. Don't ask me how I know. I just do." I wonder what relationship there is between the two.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

It's tempting to draw a parallel between the evangelical/fundamentalist approach to scriptural interpretation and the big government conservative approach to evidence and due process. In the both cases it seems to be, "I have the TRUTH. Everyone else is wrong. Don't ask me how I know. I just do." I wonder what relationship there is between the two.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd, as if on cue, Sam attempts to make Law Enforcement a 'scriptural interpretation' debate.
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Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's tempting to draw a parallel between the evangelical/fundamentalist approach to scriptural interpretation and the big government conservative approach to evidence and due process. In the both cases it seems to be, "I have the TRUTH. Everyone else is wrong. Don't ask me how I know. I just do." I wonder what relationship there is between the two.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd, as if on cue, Sam attempts to make Law Enforcement a 'scriptural interpretation' debate.

Perish the thought. It's not like we're talking about foreign policy here.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's tempting to draw a parallel between the evangelical/fundamentalist approach to scriptural interpretation and the big government conservative approach to evidence and due process. In the both cases it seems to be, "I have the TRUTH. Everyone else is wrong. Don't ask me how I know. I just do." I wonder what relationship there is between the two.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd, as if on cue, Sam attempts to make Law Enforcement a 'scriptural interpretation' debate.

Perish the thought. It's not like we're talking about foreign policy here.

You were the one trying to drag the topic into unrelated territory, so ...
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Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's tempting to draw a parallel between the evangelical/fundamentalist approach to scriptural interpretation and the big government conservative approach to evidence and due process. In the both cases it seems to be, "I have the TRUTH. Everyone else is wrong. Don't ask me how I know. I just do." I wonder what relationship there is between the two.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd, as if on cue, Sam attempts to make Law Enforcement a 'scriptural interpretation' debate.

Perish the thought. It's not like we're talking about foreign policy here.

You were the one trying to drag the topic into unrelated territory, so ...
Just a passing observation.
EatMoreSalmon
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Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.


You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.


You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.
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EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.


You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.


You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.


You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.


You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.

Now that last statement is very much not true!
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EatMoreSalmon
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Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.


You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.


You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.


Then act like it.
Harrison Bergeron
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Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.


You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.


You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.

Funny that you cared so little about the civil liberties about folks that trespassed at the Capitol on 1/6/21. I think it is so painfully obvious is all you care about is the political activism part. Part of self-awareness is knowing yourself and your motivations.
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FLBear5630 said:

I have to respect Reagan and his tough decision for amnesty rather than go through this ***** I wonder if he knew what this would turn into. Set parameters, but having those that have been working and raising families be able to get amnesty, like Reagan did.

That would free Law Enforcement to spend time on those that need to be out of here.


Well let's remember that Reagan had only 3 million people in the USA that would qualify for amnesty.

Most had come as kids during WWII era (from Mexico looking for jobs in factories or Europe escaping the war)…many had been here 40 years

An no amnesty was offered for any with criminal records or who were communists or members of any radical group.

It was small percentage amnesty and one overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and both parties.

It also came with big promises from Congressional progressives that immigration rules would be tightened up and enforcement increased after the amnesty and moving into the future.

America is in a totally different situation in 2025 and dealing with numbers many more times larger
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Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

I have to respect Reagan and his tough decision for amnesty rather than go through this ***** I wonder if he knew what this would turn into. Set parameters, but having those that have been working and raising families be able to get amnesty, like Reagan did.

That would free Law Enforcement to spend time on those that need to be out of here.


Well let's remember that Reagan had only 3 million people in the USA that would qualify for amnesty.

Most had come as kids during WWII era (from Mexico looking for jobs in factories or Europe escaping the war)…many had been here 40 years

An no amnesty was offered for any with criminal records or who were communists or members of any radical group.

It was small percentage amnesty and one overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and both parties.

It also came with big promises from Congressional progressives that immigration rules would be tightened up and enforcement increased after the amnesty and moving into the future.

America is in a totally different situation in 2025 and dealing with numbers many more times larger


Exactly, lCE is going to hunt then down?

By the way, nobody seems to want to discuss the Chinese Army that came in. I would think that is a priority. I guess not?
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FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

I notice the resident leftists have posted several times since I pointed out the violence being carried out by the "protesters" and they are silent on it.

Arrest them. Bring them before a judge, that is the job. Not shooting them...


And if they attempt to run the police over during the arrest attempt????


Or if the local police, mayor and governor refuse to enforce the law? Which is exactly what happened.

So yeah nice try but want to seriously comment on it?
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cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

I notice the resident leftists have posted several times since I pointed out the violence being carried out by the "protesters" and they are silent on it.

Arrest them. Bring them before a judge, that is the job. Not shooting them...


And if they attempt to run the police over during the arrest attempt????


Or if the local police, mayor and governor refuse to enforce the law? Which is exactly what happened.

So yeah nice try but want to seriously comment on it?


Yes, First, don't position yourself in front of the car.

Second, you ler her go and pick her up later. It was not a criminal warrant. It did not need to happen.

We will see what the investigation shows. There will be one now.
cowboycwr
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Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.


You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.


You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.


No you aren't.

If you were you would have at least something to say about the church being stormed by protestors.

You would have something to say about the violence happening under the guise of 1st amendment "assembly" even though they are not peaceful.

But you aren't because it doesn't fit your narrative.
cowboycwr
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FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

I notice the resident leftists have posted several times since I pointed out the violence being carried out by the "protesters" and they are silent on it.

Arrest them. Bring them before a judge, that is the job. Not shooting them...


And if they attempt to run the police over during the arrest attempt????


Or if the local police, mayor and governor refuse to enforce the law? Which is exactly what happened.

So yeah nice try but want to seriously comment on it?


Yes, First, don't position yourself in front of the car.

Second, you ler her go and pick her up later. It was not a criminal warrant. It did not need to happen.

We will see what the investigation shows. There will be one now.



Lmao. Like I said, you don't care about the actions of the protestors.

You can't even focus on the topic of my post.

What about the violence of the protestors?

What if the protesters are held to accountability later and in the process of being arrested use deadly force? Can the police respond with equal force?

You will probably respond with something about standing in front of the car even though that is not what we are talking about. And you will ignore the violence from the protestors.
Waco1947
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Waco1947 said:

Sam -- Trump is already looking for ways to change the ethnic makeup of the immigrant population. As far as illegals, don't be surprised if he prioritizes deporting non-whites while being more lenient with whites.

True

Where do you guys come up with these wacky conspiracy theories?

From Republicans "White women have more children and we will keep out people of color."
Sam Lowry
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cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.


You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.


You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.


No you aren't.

If you were you would have at least something to say about the church being stormed by protestors.

You would have something to say about the violence happening under the guise of 1st amendment "assembly" even though they are not peaceful.

But you aren't because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I am closely monitoring the situation on the church-storming thread. Should anyone happen to defend it, I will be among the first to engage the threat.
Waco1947
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cowboycwr said:

Jacques Strap said:





I see the resident leftists have ignored this…..Why should we pay attention?

cowboycwr
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Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.


You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.


You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.


No you aren't.

If you were you would have at least something to say about the church being stormed by protestors.

You would have something to say about the violence happening under the guise of 1st amendment "assembly" even though they are not peaceful.

But you aren't because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I am closely monitoring the situation on the church-storming thread. Should anyone happen to defend it, I will be among the first to engage the threat.



Lol. But can you just come out and say it was wrong? That those involved should be arrested?
cowboycwr
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Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Jacques Strap said:





I see the resident leftists have ignored this…..Why should we pay attention?




Because a church was stormed by protestors in the middle of a church service with the congregation basically held hostage in fear.

Because people have been assaulted.

Because random people eating lunch have been attacked.

And the local police, mayor and governor all refuse to enforce the law and keep the citizens safe.
Waco1947
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Lib "If someone drive 35 in a 30, it cost me nothing.
If someone is in the country illegally, whether by entry or by overstaying a visa, they have the potential to cost all of us a great deal of money.
Taking away a job. What jobs are being taken away? Where are your numbers?

Do you want unhealthy children in our country?

Education Do you want uneducated kids?

Housing" Who builds the house?
Assassin
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Waco1947 said:

Lib "If someone drive 35 in a 30, it cost me nothing.
If someone is in the country illegally, whether by entry or by overstaying a visa, they have the potential to cost all of us a great deal of money.
Taking away a job. What jobs are being taken away? Where are your numbers?

Do you want unhealthy children in our country?

Education Do you want uneducated kids?

Housing" Who builds the house?

Bizarre post
"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
Harrison Bergeron
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Waco1947 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Waco1947 said:

Sam -- Trump is already looking for ways to change the ethnic makeup of the immigrant population. As far as illegals, don't be surprised if he prioritizes deporting non-whites while being more lenient with whites.

True

Where do you guys come up with these wacky conspiracy theories?

From Republicans "White women have more children and we will keep out people of color."


I can glean the content, but from where do you keep getting the weird conspiracies.
Harrison Bergeron
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Waco1947 said:

Lib "If someone drive 35 in a 30, it cost me nothing.
If someone is in the country illegally, whether by entry or by overstaying a visa, they have the potential to cost all of us a great deal of money.
Taking away a job. What jobs are being taken away? Where are your numbers?

Do you want unhealthy children in our country?

Education Do you want uneducated kids?

Housing" Who builds the house?


Dude, sober up and repost tomorrow. That makes no sense on any level.
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cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" No one has had any issues with the gang members or the criminals."

The many leftist fans of 'Maryland Man' say otherwise.

You misunderstand the issue. There again it's the how, not the what.


You are on the wrong side of this. It's not about process. Never has been.

It's all about process. Pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant sides have their agendas, but that's less important. Process is what makes it relevant to all citizens.


You aren't really paying attention, or you are also part of the "no major deportation efforts at all costs" crowd.

I'm paying a lot of attention to civil liberties issues. Not really interested in the political activism part.


No you aren't.

If you were you would have at least something to say about the church being stormed by protestors.

You would have something to say about the violence happening under the guise of 1st amendment "assembly" even though they are not peaceful.

But you aren't because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I am closely monitoring the situation on the church-storming thread. Should anyone happen to defend it, I will be among the first to engage the threat.



Lol. But can you just come out and say it was wrong? That those involved should be arrested?

It was definitely wrong. I would support state charges for disorderly conduct or the like. I am a little wary of the feds' trying to turn it into more than that.
Jack Bauer
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This is the least surprising news of the day..

Harrison Bergeron
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cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Jacques Strap said:





I see the resident leftists have ignored this…..Why should we pay attention?




Because a church was stormed by protestors in the middle of a church service with the congregation basically held hostage in fear.

Because people have been assaulted.

Because random people eating lunch have been attacked.

And the local police, mayor and governor all refuse to enforce the law and keep the citizens safe.


Ironic these radical leftists will be charged under the radical left inspired, anti-free speech federal statute designed to target Pro Lifers.
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Waco1947 said:

Lib "If someone drive 35 in a 30, it cost me nothing.
If someone is in the country illegally, whether by entry or by overstaying a visa, they have the potential to cost all of us a great deal of money.
Taking away a job. What jobs are being taken away? Where are your numbers?

Do you want unhealthy children in our country?

Education Do you want uneducated kids?

Housing" Who builds the house?


There are around 11-17 million illegal aliens in the United States. About 8.7 to 9.5 million of those illegal aliens have jobs. There are around 7.5 million unemployed U.S. citizens. So, it seems pretty clear that there are jobs that would otherwise be available for US citizens that are currently held by illegal aliens.
Redbrickbear
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Waco1947 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Waco1947 said:

Sam -- Trump is already looking for ways to change the ethnic makeup of the immigrant population. As far as illegals, don't be surprised if he prioritizes deporting non-whites while being more lenient with whites.

True

Where do you guys come up with these wacky conspiracy theories?

From Republicans "White women have more children and we will keep out people of color."


For the record I don't think immigration has much impact on local fertility rates either way (positive or negative)

But maybe you could come out and tell us what exactly is so bad about white women having children?

I assume you are not yet willing to come out on the board as an out of the closet racist who wants less white children to be born?

EatMoreSalmon
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FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

I have to respect Reagan and his tough decision for amnesty rather than go through this ***** I wonder if he knew what this would turn into. Set parameters, but having those that have been working and raising families be able to get amnesty, like Reagan did.

That would free Law Enforcement to spend time on those that need to be out of here.


Well let's remember that Reagan had only 3 million people in the USA that would qualify for amnesty.

Most had come as kids during WWII era (from Mexico looking for jobs in factories or Europe escaping the war)…many had been here 40 years

An no amnesty was offered for any with criminal records or who were communists or members of any radical group.

It was small percentage amnesty and one overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and both parties.

It also came with big promises from Congressional progressives that immigration rules would be tightened up and enforcement increased after the amnesty and moving into the future.

America is in a totally different situation in 2025 and dealing with numbers many more times larger


Exactly, lCE is going to hunt then down?

By the way, nobody seems to want to discuss the Chinese Army that came in. I would think that is a priority. I guess not?


1262 arrests of Chinese nationals in 2025.

https://www.ice.gov/statistics

 
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