Waco1947 said:
noun: insurrection; plural noun: insurrections
[ol]a violent uprising against an authority or government. [/ol]
That may be the greatest example of argument suicide every executed on the board.
Minneapolis ICE shooting
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That may be the greatest example of argument suicide every executed on the board.
El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
The better question is why would he take his gun to his gig interfering with federal law enforcement? It speaks to state of mind and intent. Taking a weapon to an action to interfere with law enforcement is inherently aggressive.
Harrison Bergeron said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
The better question is why would he take his gun to his gig interfering with federal law enforcement? It speaks to state of mind and intent. Taking a weapon to an action to interfere with law enforcement is inherently aggressive.
If one chooses not to Do that youre 100% guaranteed to Live thru the weekend not dying from an ice bullet.
He was part of an Anti-ICE 'Signal' group.
#BREAKING: Confirmed; A neighbor told |The Mirror US| that Alex Pretti was part of a Signal group targeting ICE in Minnesota.
— Insider Wire (@InsiderWire) January 25, 2026
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Harrison Bergeron said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
The better question is why would he take his gun to his gig interfering with federal law enforcement? It speaks to state of mind and intent. Taking a weapon to an action to interfere with law enforcement is inherently aggressive.
First, you have no proof he was there to interfere. But let's say you do. It still doesn't matter. The second amendment gives to the right to take a gun wherever you are legally allowed to take one. MN has laws that say where those places are. It says nothing about his state of mind and intent. He was exercising his constitutional rights. Since when is exercising a constitutional right inherently aggressive?
By the way, guns don't/can't do anything when they are holstered. His hands are empty and holding a cell phone. You can't be aggressive with a gun you aren't even holding.
El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
Not necessarily. Things are not always what they appear at first glance. There are reasons why we have investigations (and trials) instead of mobs, ropes and trees.
El Oso said:Harrison Bergeron said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
The better question is why would he take his gun to his gig interfering with federal law enforcement? It speaks to state of mind and intent. Taking a weapon to an action to interfere with law enforcement is inherently aggressive.
First, you have no proof he was there to interfere. But let's say you do. It still doesn't matter. The second amendment gives to the right to take a gun wherever you are legally allowed to take one. MN has laws that say where those places are. It says nothing about his state of mind and intent. He was exercising his constitutional rights. Since when is exercising a constitutional right inherently aggressive?
By the way, guns don't/can't do anything when they are holstered. His hands are empty and holding a cell phone. You can't be aggressive with a gun you aren't even holding.
This is like the thief on the cross argument. Surely it's possible that works out but why take that chance. Why live that close to the edge if not willing to risk it all. He made the calculation. He shouldn't have died. Yet he still dead. He could have been smarter and lived but got gaslighted. It's sad but the left never tries to tamp it down. Never.
Fre3dombear said:
This is like the thief on the cross argument. Surely it's possible that works out but why take that chance. Why live that close to the edge if not willing to risk it all. He made the calculation. He shouldn't have died. Yet he still dead. He could have been smarter and lived but got gaslighted. It's sad but the left never tries to tamp it down. Never.
Exactly what did he do wrong? He has a right to be where he was. He has a right to be there armed.
I don't understand how he could have been smarter. He did exactly what the police told him to do and then they shot him when he may not even have had possession of the gun. An article I just read said the police had taken possession of his weapon before the shooting. If that's true, there is no need to shoot an unarmed man.
This isn't about left v right. This is about a man who was killed by police while exercising his constitutional rights. Period.
El Oso said:Harrison Bergeron said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
The better question is why would he take his gun to his gig interfering with federal law enforcement? It speaks to state of mind and intent. Taking a weapon to an action to interfere with law enforcement is inherently aggressive.
First, you have no proof he was there to interfere. But let's say you do. It still doesn't matter. The second amendment gives to the right to take a gun wherever you are legally allowed to take one. MN has laws that say where those places are. It says nothing about his state of mind and intent. He was exercising his constitutional rights. Since when is exercising a constitutional right inherently aggressive?
By the way, guns don't/can't do anything when they are holstered. His hands are empty and holding a cell phone. You can't be aggressive with a gun you aren't even holding.
Okay, so to be clear, I am not talking about legality. I 100% agree with you that legally he had every right to have a gun (although ironically).
However, it's not disputed he's a paid, semi-professional agitator and actively and intentionally interfering with lawful operations of the government. Again, why else would he be there? If you disagree with me, what evidence do you have that he was just walking to the store and bumped into a law enforcement operation?
Bringing a gun to actively interfere with a law enforcement operation obviously speaks to his state of mind. Again, why do you think he would take a gun? What would be the other possible intentions?
I appreciate that some folks are anti-ICE and have TDS (no idea if you do or not); but just be direct vs. trying the mental gymnastics that this was just a "Maryland father" who happened upon a law enforcement action.
Harrison Bergeron said:El Oso said:Harrison Bergeron said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
The better question is why would he take his gun to his gig interfering with federal law enforcement? It speaks to state of mind and intent. Taking a weapon to an action to interfere with law enforcement is inherently aggressive.
First, you have no proof he was there to interfere. But let's say you do. It still doesn't matter. The second amendment gives to the right to take a gun wherever you are legally allowed to take one. MN has laws that say where those places are. It says nothing about his state of mind and intent. He was exercising his constitutional rights. Since when is exercising a constitutional right inherently aggressive?
By the way, guns don't/can't do anything when they are holstered. His hands are empty and holding a cell phone. You can't be aggressive with a gun you aren't even holding.
However, it's not disputed he's a paid, semi-professional agitator and actively and intentionally interfering with lawful operations of the government.
I have not seen it confirmed anywhere that he was a paid semi-professional agitator. Has that been reported?
Harrison Bergeron said:
However, it's not disputed he's a paid, semi-professional agitator and actively and intentionally interfering with lawful operations of the government. Again, why else would he be there? If you disagree with me, what evidence do you have that he was just walking to the store and bumped into a law enforcement operation?
Bringing a gun to actively interfere with a law enforcement operation obviously speaks to his state of mind. Again, why do you think he would take a gun? What would be the other possible intentions?
I appreciate that some folks are anti-ICE and have TDS (no idea if you do or not); but just be direct vs. trying the mental gymnastics that this was just a "Maryland father" who happened upon a law enforcement action.
Where is the proof he is a paid agitator? Yes, it is pretty clear according to his family reports about him he is anti-Trump and anti-ICE. That doesn't make him a paid protestor. But let's say he is.
Now he is exercising his first amendment rights. He can peacefully protest. Possession of a gun does not make you an unpeaceful protestor. I carried my gun in downtown Dallas a few years ago as I walked in and out of dueling protests about the NRA convention being in town that year. While I was not protesting, the possession of a firearm by probably everyone in the pro NRA group did not make them unpeaceful protestors. Had they pulled those guns out, now we probably have a non peaceful protest. But this man did not pull out his gun. He is still a peaceful protestor in all videos I have seen.
Again, it does not speak to state of mind. Most gun carriers I know, and I know quite a few, carry their gun absolutely everywhere they go. It goes on every morning like it's a pair of socks. I don't think about putting it on. I just do. So he took his gun because that is what licensed gun carriers do everyday of their life. They carry a gun.
I'm not mental gymnasticing anything. He's there to protest. That protest is peaceful. Protected under the constitution. He is carrying a gun. Protected by the constitution. The police shoot him when he is unarmed. I don't know how that's legal. There is a straight line between every single one of those dots.
Ya'll have fun. Football is coming on.
See my post above yours. He was an active member of a group harassing ICE.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
First Amendment says nothing about no consequences for interference with law enforcement.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Carrying a firearm is not a death sentence, it’s a Constitutionally protected God-given right, and if you don’t understand this you have no business in law enforcement or government. https://t.co/pWPNo9dmLO
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) January 25, 2026
I am troubled by the events that have unfolded in Minneapolis. As an attorney and former federal prosecutor, I believe a thorough investigation is necessary—both to get to the bottom of these incidents and to maintain Americans’ confidence in our justice system.
— Michael McCaul (@RepMcCaul) January 25, 2026
I look forward… https://t.co/8LKEMWlnIB
boognish_bear said:Harrison Bergeron said:El Oso said:Harrison Bergeron said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
The better question is why would he take his gun to his gig interfering with federal law enforcement? It speaks to state of mind and intent. Taking a weapon to an action to interfere with law enforcement is inherently aggressive.
First, you have no proof he was there to interfere. But let's say you do. It still doesn't matter. The second amendment gives to the right to take a gun wherever you are legally allowed to take one. MN has laws that say where those places are. It says nothing about his state of mind and intent. He was exercising his constitutional rights. Since when is exercising a constitutional right inherently aggressive?
By the way, guns don't/can't do anything when they are holstered. His hands are empty and holding a cell phone. You can't be aggressive with a gun you aren't even holding.
However, it's not disputed he's a paid, semi-professional agitator and actively and intentionally interfering with lawful operations of the government.
I have not seen it confirmed anywhere that he was a paid semi-professional agitator. Has that been reported?
It has been demonstrated that he participates in a organized, funded group. Has anyone produced a pay stub now ... but let's be honest we know those don't exist.
El Oso said:Harrison Bergeron said:
However, it's not disputed he's a paid, semi-professional agitator and actively and intentionally interfering with lawful operations of the government. Again, why else would he be there? If you disagree with me, what evidence do you have that he was just walking to the store and bumped into a law enforcement operation?
Bringing a gun to actively interfere with a law enforcement operation obviously speaks to his state of mind. Again, why do you think he would take a gun? What would be the other possible intentions?
I appreciate that some folks are anti-ICE and have TDS (no idea if you do or not); but just be direct vs. trying the mental gymnastics that this was just a "Maryland father" who happened upon a law enforcement action.
Where is the proof he is a paid agitator? Yes, it is pretty clear according to his family reports about him he is anti-Trump and anti-ICE. That doesn't make him a paid protestor. But let's say he is.
Now he is exercising his first amendment rights. He can peacefully protest. Possession of a gun does not make you an unpeaceful protestor. I carried my gun in downtown Dallas a few years ago as I walked in and out of dueling protests about the NRA convention being in town that year. While I was not protesting, the possession of a firearm by probably everyone in the pro NRA group did not make them unpeaceful protestors. Had they pulled those guns out, now we probably have a non peaceful protest. But this man did not pull out his gun. He is still a peaceful protestor in all videos I have seen.
Again, it does not speak to state of mind. Most gun carriers I know, and I know quite a few, carry their gun absolutely everywhere they go. It goes on every morning like it's a pair of socks. I don't think about putting it on. I just do. So he took his gun because that is what licensed gun carriers do everyday of their life. They carry a gun.
I'm not mental gymnasticing anything. He's there to protest. That protest is peaceful. Protected under the constitution. He is carrying a gun. Protected by the constitution. The police shoot him when he is unarmed. I don't know how that's legal. There is a straight line between every single one of those dots.
Ya'll have fun. Football is coming on.
You're really misrepresenting the situation. While no one has produced a pay stub, it has been demonstrated that he actively participates in organized, well funded insurrection activity.
You owe us all some basic intellectual honestly that we all know he was not just peacefully protesting. It's amazing how TDS has made something like interfering with law enforcement somehow controversial. This is exactly what are mental gymnastics - maybe you're poorly intentioned or maybe you're naive.
Yes, there is a chance the guy is a moron and thought it would be a good idea to bring a gun to interfere with law enforcement. If I was betting on it - given what we know about him - it was likely very intentional to provoke the officers and potentially be a "martyr" to radical, anti-government groups.
And I hate the Broncos and the Patriots so I am I guess going to hate watch.
boognish_bear said:
Fear we will have another death soon...hope notNOW: Protesters STAND OFF with Border Patrol and ICE agents during attempted raid at City View Apartments in Minneapolis pic.twitter.com/ILMpYvec9M
— Oliya Scootercaster đź›´ (@ScooterCasterNY) January 25, 2026
These arent people.... they are subhuman animals
Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
I agree. He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence. He did nothing thise officers could not handle without killing him.
Porteroso said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
I agree. He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence. He did nothing thise officers could not handle without killing him.
That's why the killing of Ashli Babbitt and the anti-ICE protesters are practically identical, and the tribal reactions to each are telling. In all cases, the victim created the situation. At least in Babbitt and Pretti's situation, the officer likely did not need to shoot the victim ... Good is a different story given her using her vehicle as a weapon. At the end of the day, Babbitt was trespassing. Good and Pretti were actively and intentionally interfering with law enforcement - five minutes ago this would not have been remotely controversial, but #TDS.
Harrison Bergeron said:Porteroso said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
I agree. He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence. He did nothing thise officers could not handle without killing him.
That's why the killing of Ashli Babbitt and the anti-ICE protesters are practically identical, and the tribal reactions to each are telling. In all cases, the victim created the situation. At least in Babbitt and Pretti's situation, the officer likely did not need to shoot the victim ... Good is a different story given her using her vehicle as a weapon. At the end of the day, Babbitt was trespassing. Good and Pretti were actively and intentionally interfering with law enforcement - five minutes ago this would not have been remotely controversial, but #TDS.
Not close to identical. This man was attacked by ICE while trying to help a lady who had fallen. Babbitt was attacked as she was trying to force her way into a federal building, with thousands more behind her. One is legal, the other illegal.
One was unarmed, the other had a gun.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Porteroso said:Harrison Bergeron said:Porteroso said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
I agree. He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence. He did nothing thise officers could not handle without killing him.
That's why the killing of Ashli Babbitt and the anti-ICE protesters are practically identical, and the tribal reactions to each are telling. In all cases, the victim created the situation. At least in Babbitt and Pretti's situation, the officer likely did not need to shoot the victim ... Good is a different story given her using her vehicle as a weapon. At the end of the day, Babbitt was trespassing. Good and Pretti were actively and intentionally interfering with law enforcement - five minutes ago this would not have been remotely controversial, but #TDS.
Not close to identical. This man was attacked by ICE while trying to help a lady who had fallen. Babbitt was attacked as she was trying to force her way into a federal building, with thousands more behind her. One is legal, the other illegal.
Is it legal to interfere with law enforcement?
Do you think law enforcement should shoot unarmed trespassers?
FIFYPorteroso said:Harrison Bergeron said:Porteroso said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
I agree. He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence. He did nothing thise officers could not handle without killing him.
That's why the killing of Ashli Babbitt and the anti-ICE protesters are practically identical, and the tribal reactions to each are telling. In all cases, the victim created the situation. At least in Babbitt and Pretti's situation, the officer likely did not need to shoot the victim ... Good is a different story given her using her vehicle as a weapon. At the end of the day, Babbitt was trespassing. Good and Pretti were actively and intentionally interfering with law enforcement - five minutes ago this would not have been remotely controversial, but #TDS.
Not close to identical. This man was attacked by ICE while coordinating with other violent leftists to impede the federal agents in their lawful duties while armed. Babbitt was attacked as she was trying to force her way into a federal building, with thousands more behind her. One is illegal and the other illegal.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Porteroso said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence..
I agree that it shouldn't be…but sometimes it is and it's not a conspiracy or because of evil intent on the part of the officers
If a group of officers is facing long periods of harassment & intimidation…they become on edge (happens to all humans)…chaotic situations increase tension and inability to communicate/hear/see well in the moment (human biology..we have limited hearing and visual ability)
So then we have situation that can lead to tragedy
You are dealing with protestors in your face shouting, spitting, pushing, distracting you with noise devices…you are pulled 180 degrees fast and told to help out other officers…a man is being arrested by fellow law enforcement (you are not sure for what yet), he seems to be resisting (hard to tell), another officer yells out "gun gun gun". You think the man is now reaching for a gun at that moment and so you perceive an imminent threat to your life or other officers lives and you fire…killing him
It all happens in mere moments
That is why seeking out confrontations with law enforcement is wrong.
It puts everyone at risk.
It's like driving down the highway speeding and playing chicken….something bad is eventually going to take place.
Oldbear83 said:
One was unarmed, the other had a gun.
Have you heard of the Constitution?
Porteroso said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
I agree. He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence. He did nothing thise officers could not handle without killing him.
Show me a single post you made saying Ashley Babbit put herself in a risky situation but she did nothing the secret service and capital police could not handle without killing her?
Or are you applying double standards bcs your antifa buddy's luck ran out?
Redbrickbear said:Porteroso said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence..
I agree that it shouldn't be…but sometimes it is and it's not a conspiracy or because of evil intent on the part of the officers
If a group of officers is facing long periods of harassment & intimidation…they become on edge (happens to all humans)…chaotic situations increase tension and inability to communicate/hear/see well in the moment (human biology..we have limited hearing and visual ability)
So then we have situation that can lead to tragedy
You are dealing with protestors in your face shouting, spitting, pushing, distracting you with noise devices…you are pulled 90 degrees fast and told to help out other officers…a man is being arrested by fellow law enforcement (you are not sure for what yet), he seems to be resisting (hard to tell), another officer yells out "gun gun gun". You think the man is now reaching for a gun at that moment and so you perceive an imminent threat to your life or other officers lives and you fire.
That is why seeking out confrontations with law enforcement is wrong.
It puts everyone at risk.
It's like driving down the highway speeding and playing chicken….something bad is eventually going to take place.
Totally agree. The only thing none of us know, is why he was pepper sprayed trying to help the lady. And then wrestled to the ground. You cannot just assault a guy and then retroactively call it arrest.
News flash from last week:
100% of the people in Minneapolis that got up, had breakfast with their families, went to work or stayed at home with their children and then came back together as a family in their own home were not assaulted or arrested by ICE agents.
100% of the people in Minneapolis that got up, had breakfast with their families, went to work or stayed at home with their children and then came back together as a family in their own home were not assaulted or arrested by ICE agents.
The_barBEARian said:Porteroso said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
I agree. He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence. He did nothing thise officers could not handle without killing him.
Show me a single post you made saying Ashley Babbit put herself in a risky situation but she did nothing the secret service and capital police could not handle without killing her?
Or are you applying double standards bcs your antifa buddy's luck ran out?
There were thousands trying to breach the Capitol. Obviously law enforcement could not handle it. Are you comparing that to this situation?
Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:
One was unarmed, the other had a gun.
Have you heard of the Constitution?
I highly recommend you assault ICE officers with a concealed handgun since its your constitutional right apparently.
Porteroso said:The_barBEARian said:Porteroso said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
I agree. He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence. He did nothing thise officers could not handle without killing him.
Show me a single post you made saying Ashley Babbit put herself in a risky situation but she did nothing the secret service and capital police could not handle without killing her?
Or are you applying double standards bcs your antifa buddy's luck ran out?
There were thousands trying to breach the Capitol. Obviously law enforcement could not handle it. Are you comparing that to this situation?
Absolutely.
There are thousands of terrorists roaming Minneapolis right now stalking and ambushing ICE officers.
The difference is Jan 6 was spontaneous.... this is deliberate insurrection.
HAPPENING NOW 🚨: MN National Guard members have arrived at the site of the federal building, and have been ordered to distribute donuts, coffee and hot chocolate to anti-ice protestors.
— Anthony (@anthonycabassa) January 25, 2026
They were given reflective vests so protestors don’t confuse them with federal agents. pic.twitter.com/tnvAHiIMKM
Porteroso said:Redbrickbear said:Porteroso said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.
Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.
Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.
I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone
He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.
He created the situation. But creating a risky situation should not be a death sentence..
I agree that it shouldn't be…but sometimes it is and it's not a conspiracy or because of evil intent on the part of the officers
If a group of officers is facing long periods of harassment & intimidation…they become on edge (happens to all humans)…chaotic situations increase tension and inability to communicate/hear/see well in the moment (human biology..we have limited hearing and visual ability)
So then we have situation that can lead to tragedy
You are dealing with protestors in your face shouting, spitting, pushing, distracting you with noise devices…you are pulled 90 degrees fast and told to help out other officers…a man is being arrested by fellow law enforcement (you are not sure for what yet), he seems to be resisting (hard to tell), another officer yells out "gun gun gun". You think the man is now reaching for a gun at that moment and so you perceive an imminent threat to your life or other officers lives and you fire.
That is why seeking out confrontations with law enforcement is wrong.
It puts everyone at risk.
It's like driving down the highway speeding and playing chicken….something bad is eventually going to take place.
Totally agree. The only thing none of us know, is why he was pepper sprayed trying to help the lady. And then wrestled to the ground. You cannot just assault a guy and then retroactively call it arrest.
Correct you can not randomly assault a guy then shoot him. As an officer of the law.
But as a hypothetical let's take this scenario (close to what might have happened)
One officer can think reasonably (even mistakenly) that a guy he is encountering is a previous agitator that he has warned before to back off. Now he is going to spray him and arrest him for violation of lawful order and interference.
Other officers don't know what is going on…just that someone is being arrested. They are called to assist.
A third officer arrives to help and sees a gun and yells out about the weapon.
A fourth officer now sees a struggle, hears confirmation of a gun, and now sees the individual he thinks has a gun reaching behind his back toward his waist area.
A series of tragic steps that are set in motion by people looking to come into conflict with Law enforcement officers and refuse to leave them alone and let them do their jobs.
Peacefully protest away from officers and change the law if you don't like it.
Go into conflict situations with officers and tragedy can take place….in fact it guaranteed to take place over a long enough timeline of conflict
The_barBEARian said:Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:
One was unarmed, the other had a gun.
Have you heard of the Constitution?
I highly recommend you assault ICE officers with a concealed handgun since its your constitutional right apparently.
Assault ICE officers? Where is that video?