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Cry more.

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He doesn't care about you. All you're good for is to buy more Trump coin. Your retirement, your children's education, your lesbian side chick.

As it relates to you? He starts the day with 12 ****s and ends the day with a dozen ****s.

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The difference between us includes that I am not obsessed with Trump.

He never gave me anything, I don't owe him anything. I just don't lie about him the way you do.

You need to step back and gain some perspective.

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You ostrich for Trump. This is life during wartime. This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no fooling around.

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I make a salient point, you throw out of context verses from a band cooler than you will ever be.

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Cooler than me? Shiiiiiit!

I got three passports, a couple of visas you don't even know my real name!

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he hasn't been out of Texas. Its obvious

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Heh

JR once again is not only wrong, if he had paid attention to some of my posts he'd know I have worked in three continents and visited most of them.

The only obvious thing here is JR's ignorance and addiction to spite.

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point taken. where abroad did you work/live? curious

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Canada, China, England (most of the UK actually). Does Hong Kong count on its own or is it part of China?

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thanks. Hong Kong is part of China these days, but it counts. Did you live in those spots or business trips? just curious.

If we won the war like Trump says why are we negotiating?

Bessent: "We've seen President Trump last week threaten what would have been the largest military campaign since World War 2 against the Iranians, and now because of that we are in talks with the Iranians. I think there's a chance we may have a deal today or tomorrow to open the… pic.twitter.com/YdManCGHvk

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 4, 2026

We are in the "last chance" part of the cycle

"This is a last chance," Trump says of Iran. "This is a last chance for them to sign a good document." He said talks are happening but declined to say where. "I mean, they're going to go quickly, one way or the other," he said. "We're talking about the strait, the opening of the… pic.twitter.com/TTsFvB33xI

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) August 3, 2026

E.

- UF

D!

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Cry more.

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He doesn't care about you. All you're good for is to buy more Trump coin. Your retirement, your children's education, your lesbian side chick.

As it relates to you? He starts the day with 12 ****s and ends the day with a dozen ****s.

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The difference between us includes that I am not obsessed with Trump.

He never gave me anything, I don't owe him anything. I just don't lie about him the way you do.

You need to step back and gain some perspective.

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You ostrich for Trump. This is life during wartime. This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no fooling around.

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I make a salient point, you throw out of context verses from a band cooler than you will ever be.

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Cooler than me? Shiiiiiit!

I got three passports, a couple of visas you don't even know my real name!

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he hasn't been out of Texas. Its obvious

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Heh

JR once again is not only wrong, if he had paid attention to some of my posts he'd know I have worked in three continents and visited most of them.

The only obvious thing here is JR's ignorance and addiction to spite.

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point taken. where abroad did you work/live? curious

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Canada, China, England (most of the UK actually). Does Hong Kong count on its own or is it part of China?

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thanks. Hong Kong is part of China these days, but it counts. Did you live in those spots or business trips? just curious.

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Business, usually on things like physical audits. I asked about Hong Kong because the locals usually think of Hong Kong as its own thing, the same way people in Manhattan consider themselves apart from the rest of New York. The political situation is a different animal. A little tricky when your company deals with individual people as well as officials.

You really need to touch grass.

It's one thing to consider the President in balance and context. It's unwise to only see him as perfect or enemy because of your personal politics.

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You really need to touch grass.

It's one thing to consider the President in balance and context. It's unwise to only see him as perfect or enemy because of your personal politics.

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I will always try to see lies as lies, no plan as no plan, a disaster as a disaster, and American soldier deaths as tragic. Sure, call it my personal politics.

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Slapping labels on your bias doesn't make them any less subjective, Porteroso.

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Enjoy your prolonged rant, then.

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Nobody enjoys, what Trump used to call, pointless Middle East wars.

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Wow, guess I never realized that wars were to be enjoyed. Who enjoyed WWII? Or Vietnam? Or the American Civil War? Or any other war in human history?

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The leaders enjoy wars. The citizens and soldiers die. Can you tell me with a straight face that Trump isn't enjoying this? Have you see his social media regarding the war?.

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The Army is seeing one of its strongest recruiting comebacks in years, per FOX

The Army's recruiting has climbed nearly 38% overall since its fiscal year 2022 low.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) August 4, 2026

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Cry more.

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He doesn't care about you. All you're good for is to buy more Trump coin. Your retirement, your children's education, your lesbian side chick.

As it relates to you? He starts the day with 12 ****s and ends the day with a dozen ****s.

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The difference between us includes that I am not obsessed with Trump.

He never gave me anything, I don't owe him anything. I just don't lie about him the way you do.

You need to step back and gain some perspective.

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You ostrich for Trump. This is life during wartime. This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no fooling around.

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I make a salient point, you throw out of context verses from a band cooler than you will ever be.

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Cooler than me? Shiiiiiit!

I got three passports, a couple of visas you don't even know my real name!

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he hasn't been out of Texas. Its obvious

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Heh

JR once again is not only wrong, if he had paid attention to some of my posts he'd know I have worked in three continents and visited most of them.

The only obvious thing here is JR's ignorance and addiction to spite.

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point taken. where abroad did you work/live? curious

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Canada, China, England (most of the UK actually). Does Hong Kong count on its own or is it part of China?

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thanks. Hong Kong is part of China these days, but it counts. Did you live in those spots or business trips? just curious.

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Business, usually on things like physical audits. I asked about Hong Kong because the locals usually think of Hong Kong as its own thing, the same way people in Manhattan consider themselves apart from the rest of New York. The political situation is a different animal. A little tricky when your company deals with individual people as well as officials.

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yes, HK is still a bit of its own thing still. You can tell a little difference, but not much. We spend the weekend there from time to time ....eating! only an hour and a half flight about $100 per head for flight.

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Enjoy your prolonged rant, then.

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Nobody enjoys, what Trump used to call, pointless Middle East wars.

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Wow, guess I never realized that wars were to be enjoyed. Who enjoyed WWII? Or Vietnam? Or the American Civil War? Or any other war in human history?

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The leaders enjoy wars. The citizens and soldiers die. Can you tell me with a straight face that Trump isn't enjoying this? Have you see his social media regarding the war?.

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He ought to be ashamed of himself.

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Rather insulting to not at least get the actual general's ranks at least in the same army. "Patton" looks like he's in a bad red army cosplay. MacArthur is somehow a major general and also an upside down Corporal.

Embarrassing.

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Can you imagine the eruption on this board if President Bill Clinton posted such a thing with him in some sort of military get up? Comparing himself (favorably) to the likes of Douglas MacArthur and George Patton?

This is beyond embarrassing. Our President is a child.

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A child that is bad at writing AI prompts.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Cry more.

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He doesn't care about you. All you're good for is to buy more Trump coin. Your retirement, your children's education, your lesbian side chick.

As it relates to you? He starts the day with 12 ****s and ends the day with a dozen ****s.

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The difference between us includes that I am not obsessed with Trump.

He never gave me anything, I don't owe him anything. I just don't lie about him the way you do.

You need to step back and gain some perspective.

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You ostrich for Trump. This is life during wartime. This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no fooling around.

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I make a salient point, you throw out of context verses from a band cooler than you will ever be.

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Cooler than me? Shiiiiiit!

I got three passports, a couple of visas you don't even know my real name!

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he hasn't been out of Texas. Its obvious

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Heh

JR once again is not only wrong, if he had paid attention to some of my posts he'd know I have worked in three continents and visited most of them.

The only obvious thing here is JR's ignorance and addiction to spite.

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point taken. where abroad did you work/live? curious

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Canada, China, England (most of the UK actually). Does Hong Kong count on its own or is it part of China?

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thanks. Hong Kong is part of China these days, but it counts. Did you live in those spots or business trips? just curious.

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Business, usually on things like physical audits. I asked about Hong Kong because the locals usually think of Hong Kong as its own thing, the same way people in Manhattan consider themselves apart from the rest of New York. The political situation is a different animal. A little tricky when your company deals with individual people as well as officials.

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yes, HK is still a bit of its own thing still. You can tell a little difference, but not much. We spend the weekend there from time to time ....eating! only an hour and a half flight about $100 per head for flight.

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Now Shanghai is something a lot of people miss, a totally great city. Think of it as the China version of Chicago, except seafood instead of steak. They also have a cool Museum of Technology, maybe not something for everyone but totally in my wheelhouse.

Almost everything you can get in HK and half the price. Including the hotels.

OK… So is it a surrender? Or is it a deal?

🚨 JUST IN: SOURCES SAY IRAN IS READY TO "SURRENDER" THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ 🚨

"We may have a DEAL by TOMORROW" pic.twitter.com/HATARYkfkr

— Jesse Watters (@JesseBWatters) August 5, 2026

BREAKING: The US and Iran are closing in on an interim agreement brokered by Oman to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, with the US aiming for an announcement on Wednesday, per Axios.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) August 5, 2026

That would be nice but will it last more than 48 hours???

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fubar said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Enjoy your prolonged rant, then.

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Nobody enjoys, what Trump used to call, pointless Middle East wars.

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Wow, guess I never realized that wars were to be enjoyed. Who enjoyed WWII? Or Vietnam? Or the American Civil War? Or any other war in human history?

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The leaders enjoy wars. The citizens and soldiers die. Can you tell me with a straight face that Trump isn't enjoying this? Have you see his social media regarding the war?.

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He ought to be ashamed of himself.

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Rather insulting to not at least get the actual general's ranks at least in the same army. "Patton" looks like he's in a bad red army cosplay. MacArthur is somehow a major general and also an upside down Corporal.

Embarrassing.

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He's right about one thing. MacArthur got us too deep into Korea to easily get out and Patton would have done the same in Europe if he had the chance. Both were narcissists of the highest order.

MacArthur and Patton, however, had actual courage and some areas of competence.

The Iran war isn't just the biggest misstep of Trump's presidency so far, it's one of the greatest strategic blunders in modern American history. The worst part is there is no making things better, only worse, and the longer we keep at it the worse it's going to get. There is no…

— Scott Morefield (@SKMorefield) August 4, 2026

The Iran war isn't just the biggest misstep of Trump's presidency so far, it's one of the greatest strategic blunders in modern American history. The worst part is there is no making things better, only worse, and the longer we keep at it the worse it's going to get. There is no chance for 'victory' here, at all. There never was. Best case would be to stop cold turkey, cut our losses, and get the best deal we can to keep the Strait open, but it would take a lot of courage and pragmatism on the part of our leadership to do so. Is it in them? Who knows! Or I guess we could just keep banging our heads against the wall and run out of the rest of the missiles and bombs we've spent trillions on over the decades. What an absolute disaster.

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The Iran war isn't just the biggest misstep of Trump's presidency so far, it's one of the greatest strategic blunders in modern American history. The worst part is there is no making things better, only worse, and the longer we keep at it the worse it's going to get. There is no…

— Scott Morefield (@SKMorefield) August 4, 2026

The Iran war isn't just the biggest misstep of Trump's presidency so far, it's one of the greatest strategic blunders in modern American history.

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Fixed.

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303Bear said:

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fubar said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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canoso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Enjoy your prolonged rant, then.

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Nobody enjoys, what Trump used to call, pointless Middle East wars.

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Wow, guess I never realized that wars were to be enjoyed. Who enjoyed WWII? Or Vietnam? Or the American Civil War? Or any other war in human history?

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The leaders enjoy wars. The citizens and soldiers die. Can you tell me with a straight face that Trump isn't enjoying this? Have you see his social media regarding the war?.

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He ought to be ashamed of himself.

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Rather insulting to not at least get the actual general's ranks at least in the same army. "Patton" looks like he's in a bad red army cosplay. MacArthur is somehow a major general and also an upside down Corporal.

Embarrassing.

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He's right about one thing. MacArthur got us too deep into Korea to easily get out and Patton would have done the same in Europe if he had the chance. Both were narcissists of the highest order.

MacArthur and Patton, however, had actual courage and some areas of competence.

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MacArthur had a host of issues, but I think he did ok overall given what he had to work with in Korea.

Patton was absolutely right and we should have kept all of our armored divisions rolling east as Germany collapsed. Patton was a complicated man, and far from perfect, but May-September 1945 was our best chance to stave off the Cold War. Obviously who knows what else might have come after, but we eliminate the Soviet Union and the Iron Curtin and the second half of the 20th century is certainly different.

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The Iran war isn't just the biggest misstep of Trump's presidency so far, it's one of the greatest strategic blunders in modern American history. The worst part is there is no making things better, only worse, and the longer we keep at it the worse it's going to get. There is no…

— Scott Morefield (@SKMorefield) August 4, 2026

The Iran war isn't just the biggest misstep of Trump's presidency so far, it's one of the greatest strategic blunders in modern American history. The worst part is there is no making things better, only worse, and the longer we keep at it the worse it's going to get. There is no chance for 'victory' here, at all. There never was. Best case would be to stop cold turkey, cut our losses, and get the best deal we can to keep the Strait open, but it would take a lot of courage and pragmatism on the part of our leadership to do so. Is it in them? Who knows! Or I guess we could just keep banging our heads against the wall and run out of the rest of the missiles and bombs we've spent trillions on over the decades. What an absolute disaster.

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well said. We still have 6 months or so with global oil supply. It isn't going down. Too much friggin in the rigging.

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fubar said:

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canoso said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Enjoy your prolonged rant, then.

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Nobody enjoys, what Trump used to call, pointless Middle East wars.

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Wow, guess I never realized that wars were to be enjoyed. Who enjoyed WWII? Or Vietnam? Or the American Civil War? Or any other war in human history?

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The leaders enjoy wars. The citizens and soldiers die. Can you tell me with a straight face that Trump isn't enjoying this? Have you see his social media regarding the war?.

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He ought to be ashamed of himself.

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Rather insulting to not at least get the actual general's ranks at least in the same army. "Patton" looks like he's in a bad red army cosplay. MacArthur is somehow a major general and also an upside down Corporal.

Embarrassing.

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He's right about one thing. MacArthur got us too deep into Korea to easily get out and Patton would have done the same in Europe if he had the chance. Both were narcissists of the highest order.

MacArthur and Patton, however, had actual courage and some areas of competence.

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MacArthur had a host of issues, but I think he did ok overall given what he had to work with in Korea.

Patton was absolutely right and we should have kept all of our armored divisions rolling east as Germany collapsed. Patton was a complicated man, and far from perfect, but May-September 1945 was our best chance to stave off the Cold War. Obviously who knows what else might have come after, but we eliminate the Soviet Union and the Iron Curtin and the second half of the 20th century is certainly different.

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Even the end of the Soviet Union didn't really end the Cold War. It will never end until we learn to coexist with Russia or we destroy each other.

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fubar said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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canoso said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Enjoy your prolonged rant, then.

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Nobody enjoys, what Trump used to call, pointless Middle East wars.

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Wow, guess I never realized that wars were to be enjoyed. Who enjoyed WWII? Or Vietnam? Or the American Civil War? Or any other war in human history?

---

The leaders enjoy wars. The citizens and soldiers die. Can you tell me with a straight face that Trump isn't enjoying this? Have you see his social media regarding the war?.

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He ought to be ashamed of himself.

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Rather insulting to not at least get the actual general's ranks at least in the same army. "Patton" looks like he's in a bad red army cosplay. MacArthur is somehow a major general and also an upside down Corporal.

Embarrassing.

---

He's right about one thing. MacArthur got us too deep into Korea to easily get out and Patton would have done the same in Europe if he had the chance. Both were narcissists of the highest order.

MacArthur and Patton, however, had actual courage and some areas of competence.

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MacArthur had a host of issues, but I think he did ok overall given what he had to work with in Korea.

Patton was absolutely right and we should have kept all of our armored divisions rolling east as Germany collapsed. Patton was a complicated man, and far from perfect, but May-September 1945 was our best chance to stave off the Cold War. Obviously who knows what else might have come after, but we eliminate the Soviet Union and the Iron Curtin and the second half of the 20th century is certainly different.

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We should have done what the American public wanted at the time, which was to stay out of it.

The Germans and the Soviets would have knocked each other out and America would have been the sole superpower left standing.

Ron Paul’s wisdom is as relevant and applicable today as it was years ago.

Bring the troops home and end this insane war. pic.twitter.com/NcScdiwJvH

— Nolan Denaro (@nolandenaro) August 4, 2026

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303Bear said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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fubar said:

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boognish_bear said:

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canoso said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Enjoy your prolonged rant, then.

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Nobody enjoys, what Trump used to call, pointless Middle East wars.

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Wow, guess I never realized that wars were to be enjoyed. Who enjoyed WWII? Or Vietnam? Or the American Civil War? Or any other war in human history?

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The leaders enjoy wars. The citizens and soldiers die. Can you tell me with a straight face that Trump isn't enjoying this? Have you see his social media regarding the war?.

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He ought to be ashamed of himself.

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Rather insulting to not at least get the actual general's ranks at least in the same army. "Patton" looks like he's in a bad red army cosplay. MacArthur is somehow a major general and also an upside down Corporal.

Embarrassing.

---

He's right about one thing. MacArthur got us too deep into Korea to easily get out and Patton would have done the same in Europe if he had the chance. Both were narcissists of the highest order.

MacArthur and Patton, however, had actual courage and some areas of competence.

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MacArthur had a host of issues, but I think he did ok overall given what he had to work with in Korea.

Patton was absolutely right and we should have kept all of our armored divisions rolling east as Germany collapsed. Patton was a complicated man, and far from perfect, but May-September 1945 was our best chance to stave off the Cold War. Obviously who knows what else might have come after, but we eliminate the Soviet Union and the Iron Curtin and the second half of the 20th century is certainly different.

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We should have done what the American public wanted at the time, which was to stay out of it.

The Germans and the Soviets would have knocked each other out and America would have been the sole superpower left standing.

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No, we would not have been a superpower. we became a superpower on the other side of the gauntlet. we would have been the same as we were before, you do not gain position with inaction or saving money. if being a superpower is your goal, all in is your path. if being a fiscally, conservative, safe and secure nation is your path, superpower is not an option. you have to be involved and others have to trust you.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Cry more.

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He doesn't care about you. All you're good for is to buy more Trump coin. Your retirement, your children's education, your lesbian side chick.

As it relates to you? He starts the day with 12 ****s and ends the day with a dozen ****s.

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The difference between us includes that I am not obsessed with Trump.

He never gave me anything, I don't owe him anything. I just don't lie about him the way you do.

You need to step back and gain some perspective.

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You ostrich for Trump. This is life during wartime. This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no fooling around.

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I make a salient point, you throw out of context verses from a band cooler than you will ever be.

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Cooler than me? Shiiiiiit!

I got three passports, a couple of visas you don't even know my real name!

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he hasn't been out of Texas. Its obvious

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Heh

JR once again is not only wrong, if he had paid attention to some of my posts he'd know I have worked in three continents and visited most of them.

The only obvious thing here is JR's ignorance and addiction to spite.

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point taken. where abroad did you work/live? curious

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Canada, China, England (most of the UK actually). Does Hong Kong count on its own or is it part of China?

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thanks. Hong Kong is part of China these days, but it counts. Did you live in those spots or business trips? just curious.

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Business, usually on things like physical audits. I asked about Hong Kong because the locals usually think of Hong Kong as its own thing, the same way people in Manhattan consider themselves apart from the rest of New York. The political situation is a different animal. A little tricky when your company deals with individual people as well as officials.

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yes, HK is still a bit of its own thing still. You can tell a little difference, but not much. We spend the weekend there from time to time ....eating! only an hour and a half flight about $100 per head for flight.

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Now Shanghai is something a lot of people miss, a totally great city. Think of it as the China version of Chicago, except seafood instead of steak. They also have a cool Museum of Technology, maybe not something for everyone but totally in my wheelhouse.

Almost everything you can get in HK and half the price. Including the hotels.

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agreed on Shanghai. Love the Soup Dumplings there. Chilling out on the Bund is usually fun. Years ago when there on business, went to that hotel when Lost in Translation was filmed. Fairly cool. Honestly, whilst I like and or respect most everyone, I had some less than great experiences with the Chinese . Lots of Chinese here in as Expats and tourists. Not terribly well behaved. They are only tolerated around here and the will drop some RMB and will let you know. Very antithetical to Thai culture.

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{ sipping OPPORTUNITY }

{ gnoshing CAPITALISM }

- el UF

D!

Go Bears!!

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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303Bear said:

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fubar said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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canoso said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Enjoy your prolonged rant, then.

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Nobody enjoys, what Trump used to call, pointless Middle East wars.

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Wow, guess I never realized that wars were to be enjoyed. Who enjoyed WWII? Or Vietnam? Or the American Civil War? Or any other war in human history?

---

The leaders enjoy wars. The citizens and soldiers die. Can you tell me with a straight face that Trump isn't enjoying this? Have you see his social media regarding the war?.

---

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He ought to be ashamed of himself.

---

Rather insulting to not at least get the actual general's ranks at least in the same army. "Patton" looks like he's in a bad red army cosplay. MacArthur is somehow a major general and also an upside down Corporal.

Embarrassing.

---

He's right about one thing. MacArthur got us too deep into Korea to easily get out and Patton would have done the same in Europe if he had the chance. Both were narcissists of the highest order.

MacArthur and Patton, however, had actual courage and some areas of competence.

---

MacArthur had a host of issues, but I think he did ok overall given what he had to work with in Korea.

Patton was absolutely right and we should have kept all of our armored divisions rolling east as Germany collapsed. Patton was a complicated man, and far from perfect, but May-September 1945 was our best chance to stave off the Cold War. Obviously who knows what else might have come after, but we eliminate the Soviet Union and the Iron Curtin and the second half of the 20th century is certainly different.

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We should have done what the American public wanted at the time, which was to stay out of it.

The Germans and the Soviets would have knocked each other out and America would have been the sole superpower left standing.

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No, we would not have been a superpower. we became a superpower on the other side of the gauntlet. we would have been the same as we were before, you do not gain position with inaction or saving money. if being a superpower is your goal, all in is your path. if being a fiscally, conservative, safe and secure nation is your path, superpower is not an option. you have to be involved and others have to trust you.

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