the SBC? Not just them. The RC also limits pastoral roles for women.Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
4th and Inches said:
the SBC? Not just them. The RC also limits pastoral roles for women.
My understanding is this: women are supposed to have an active role in the church. How many women leaders in the OT?
there you goEl Oso said:4th and Inches said:
the SBC? Not just them. The RC also limits pastoral roles for women.
My understanding is this: women are supposed to have an active role in the church. How many women leaders in the OT?
Miriam was one of the first to pick up an instrument and lead in worship (Exodus 15:20). But this wasn't her only ministry role. Micah 6:4 names Miriam as a leader of the nation, along with Moses and Aaron.
Deborah was not a church but the entire nation (Judges 4-5)
Huldah the prophetess had a leading role in the restoration. (2 Kings 22)
Esther (this one could be debatable since there is no role in a church)
Joel 2:28 says your sons and daughters will have the ability to prophesy
Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
why do you think this is Gods will?Realitybites said:Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
Bearing false witness.
Two women were the first people on earth to see the risen Christ and bring news of his resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10).
The prohibition of women in the pulpit in no way prevents a woman from sharing the gospel, and God is well pleased when they do. He just doesn't want them being pastors.
The SBC has gotten a great deal wrong over the past few decades organizationally, specifically Russell Moore and the ERLC along with the last few presidents. But this isn't one of those things.
4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
the SBC? Not just them. The RC also limits pastoral roles for women.
My understanding is this: women are supposed to have an active role in the church. How many women leaders in the OT?
Priscilla teaches Apollos (Acts 18:26)
Phoebe carries & explains Romans (Rom. 16:12)
Junia is highly respected by the apostles (Rom. 16:7)
Euodia and Syntyche are Paul's "co-workers" (Phil. 4:3)
Its all Misunderstood. Paul told the women to stop chit chatting in church and focus on the reason for gathering. A woman cant prophesy and be silent.
The Holy Spirit came upon plenty of women during pentacost where they began to prophesy and speak in tongues.
The big clue for me is where Paul said it was forbidden, just like the law says(the Law - the Torah doesnt say it, the Talmud says its shameful for women to speak. Paul was rebuking the Talmud- mans law.
Paul wrote women should learn in full submission and silence(top attributes of any male disciple) in an era where women werent supposed to learn at all, he equalized them to male disciples.
Greek to English translation loses things.
4th and Inches said:Realitybites said:Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
Bearing false witness.
Two women were the first people on earth to see the risen Christ and bring news of his resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10).
The prohibition of women in the pulpit in no way prevents a woman from sharing the gospel, and God is well pleased when they do. He just doesn't want them being pastors.
The SBC has gotten a great deal wrong over the past few decades organizationally, specifically Russell Moore and the ERLC along with the last few presidents. But this isn't one of those things.
why do you think this is Gods will?
J.R. said:
gotta agree with Waco here. As a recovering Baptist, yall need to get out of the 50s
Realitybites said:4th and Inches said:Realitybites said:Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
Bearing false witness.
Two women were the first people on earth to see the risen Christ and bring news of his resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10).
The prohibition of women in the pulpit in no way prevents a woman from sharing the gospel, and God is well pleased when they do. He just doesn't want them being pastors.
The SBC has gotten a great deal wrong over the past few decades organizationally, specifically Russell Moore and the ERLC along with the last few presidents. But this isn't one of those things.
why do you think this is Gods will?
Scripture says it. No, Paul said it. He said that we free from the law and then promptly added more laws including It is his opnion.
Tradition says it.Sure tradition said. This tradition was male dominated. The Catholic are 1500 years late and the SBC is what 150 years - all were male dominated clergy who did not want to give up power.
Fruit is evidence of it. There hasn't been a single denomination that has started ordaining women that hasn't gone off the rails doctrinally, morally, or both. Standing up for principle will cause shrinking said Jesus and these denominations.
P.S. SBC churches are also losing members.
where specifically in scripture does it say that? I covered the two main instances that are commonly referred to in my prior post.Realitybites said:4th and Inches said:Realitybites said:Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
Bearing false witness.
Two women were the first people on earth to see the risen Christ and bring news of his resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10).
The prohibition of women in the pulpit in no way prevents a woman from sharing the gospel, and God is well pleased when they do. He just doesn't want them being pastors.
The SBC has gotten a great deal wrong over the past few decades organizationally, specifically Russell Moore and the ERLC along with the last few presidents. But this isn't one of those things.
why do you think this is Gods will?
Scripture says it.
Tradition says it.
Fruit is evidence of it. There hasn't been a single denomination that has started ordaining women that hasn't gone off the rails doctrinally, morally, or both.
Harrison Bergeron said:
Okay. Don't disagree. Seems weird the SBC still has a hard-on for women pastors 50 years after the fundamentalist takeover when the denomination is disappearing.
4th and Inches said:the SBC? Not just them. The RC also limits pastoral roles for women.Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
Okay. Don't disagree. Seems weird the SBC still has a hard-on for women pastors 50 years after the fundamentalist takeover when the denomination is disappearing.
"Denomination is disappearing" is a little strong
The SBC has declinedβ¦but far less than the mainline Protestant Church bodies that are in free fall.
And most of its decline seems to be in losing members to bleed over into Evangelical/Bible churches that have essentially the same theological beliefs.
Where do non-denoom fit? Probably Southern Bapist. So many of them Baptist hidin the non-denom lidentity. Moreover they are in decline and that concerns me.
Redbrickbear said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
the SBC? Not just them. The RC also limits pastoral roles for women.
And not just the Roman Catholics (1 billion)
But the Eastern Orthodox as well (300 million)
And the oriental Orthodox like the Copts of Egypt (75 million in all their branches)
Crazy how the super majority of the world's Christian denominationsβ¦including the most ancient ones with apostolic succession and a deep reliance on handed down traditionβ¦have all rejected the concept of female leadership.
I guess only the modern smaller (and dying out ) Protestant denominations got it right and really understood the Bible.
A------ counterargument is that historical consensus, while important, is not necessarily decisive in determining faithfulness to the gospel. Christians have revised long-held interpretations before when they believed Scripture and the work of the Holy Spirit required it.
For example:
- For centuries, most Christians accepted slavery, yet many later concluded that the broader biblical witness to human dignity and freedom was incompatible with slavery.
- The fact that a majority of Christians have held a position does not automatically make it correct. At various times, majorities have opposed religious liberty, democracy, or vernacular translations of Scripture.
I argue that the New Testament's overarching principle is expressed in Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." I contend that restrictions on women in some passages addressed specific cultural situations in the first century rather than establishing universal rules for all churches and all times.
- "
Finally, many would argue that the age or size of a denomination is not, by itself, proof of theological correctness. The central question is not, "What has the majority always believed?" but rather, "What interpretation most faithfully reflects the life, teachings, and mission of Jesus and the witness of Scripture?" Jesus mission was inclusiion of women in the fullness of that mission, not second class humans. All are welcome - lepers, sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, women
Waco1947 said:Redbrickbear said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
the SBC? Not just them. The RC also limits pastoral roles for women.
And not just the Roman Catholics (1 billion)
But the Eastern Orthodox as well (300 million)
And the oriental Orthodox like the Copts of Egypt (75 million in all their branches)
Crazy how the super majority of the world's Christian denominationsβ¦including the most ancient ones with apostolic succession and a deep reliance on handed down traditionβ¦have all rejected the concept of female leadership.
I guess only the modern smaller (and dying out ) Protestant denominations got it right and really understood the Bible.
A------ counterargument is that historical consensus, while important, is not necessarily decisive in determining faithfulness to the gospel. Christians have revised long-held interpretations before when they believed Scripture and the work of the Holy Spirit required it.
For example:
- For centuries, most Christians accepted slavery, yet many later concluded that the broader biblical witness to human dignity and freedom was incompatible with slavery.
- The fact that a majority of Christians have held a position does not automatically make it correct. At various times, majorities have opposed religious liberty, democracy, or vernacular translations of Scripture.
I argue that the New Testament's overarching principle is expressed in Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." I contend that restrictions on women in some passages addressed specific cultural situations in the first century rather than establishing universal rules for all churches and all times.
- "
Finally, many would argue that the age or size of a denomination is not, by itself, proof of theological correctness. The central question is not, "What has the majority always believed?" but rather, "What interpretation most faithfully reflects the life, teachings, and mission of Jesus and the witness of Scripture?" Jesus mission was inclusiion of women in the fullness of that mission, not second class humans. All are welcome - lepers, sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, women
Harrison Bergeron said:Waco1947 said:Redbrickbear said:4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
the SBC? Not just them. The RC also limits pastoral roles for women.
And not just the Roman Catholics (1 billion)
But the Eastern Orthodox as well (300 million)
And the oriental Orthodox like the Copts of Egypt (75 million in all their branches)
Crazy how the super majority of the world's Christian denominationsβ¦including the most ancient ones with apostolic succession and a deep reliance on handed down traditionβ¦have all rejected the concept of female leadership.
I guess only the modern smaller (and dying out ) Protestant denominations got it right and really understood the Bible.
A------ counterargument is that historical consensus, while important, is not necessarily decisive in determining faithfulness to the gospel. Christians have revised long-held interpretations before when they believed Scripture and the work of the Holy Spirit required it.
For example:
- For centuries, most Christians accepted slavery, yet many later concluded that the broader biblical witness to human dignity and freedom was incompatible with slavery.
- The fact that a majority of Christians have held a position does not automatically make it correct. At various times, majorities have opposed religious liberty, democracy, or vernacular translations of Scripture.
I argue that the New Testament's overarching principle is expressed in Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." I contend that restrictions on women in some passages addressed specific cultural situations in the first century rather than establishing universal rules for all churches and all times.
- "
Finally, many would argue that the age or size of a denomination is not, by itself, proof of theological correctness. The central question is not, "What has the majority always believed?" but rather, "What interpretation most faithfully reflects the life, teachings, and mission of Jesus and the witness of Scripture?" Jesus mission was inclusiion of women in the fullness of that mission, not second class humans. All are welcome - lepers, sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, women
Agreed.
Transparently, I have seen what women pastors have done to mainline denominations, which is the only thing that gives me pause.
Waco1947 said:
The reason for United Methodist decline very much varied. Women are not the cause.
Waco1947 said:
The reason for United Methodist decline very much varied. Women are not the cause.
Redbrickbear said:Waco1947 said:
The reason for United Methodist decline very much varied. Women are not the cause.
Then preventing women from being Pastors is not the reason for SBC decline (it's very much varied)
Redbrickbear said:Waco1947 said:
The reason for United Methodist decline very much varied. Women are not the cause.
Then preventing women from being Pastors is not the reason for SBC decline (it's very much varied)
you have described 2 Timothy 4:3-4Waco1947 said:Redbrickbear said:Waco1947 said:
The reason for United Methodist decline very much varied. Women are not the cause.
Then preventing women from being Pastors is not the reason for SBC decline (it's very much varied)
I
I don't know about the Southern Baptists. What I do know is that many secular-minded people are no longer persuaded by traditional doctrines about the Bible, nor can they embrace some of the more literal or supernatural claims promoted by conservative Christians. Beliefs about heaven and hell, as well as strictly literal interpretations of Scripture, are often viewed with skepticism.
Waco1947 said:Redbrickbear said:Waco1947 said:
The reason for United Methodist decline very much varied. Women are not the cause.
Then preventing women from being Pastors is not the reason for SBC decline (it's very much varied)
I
I don't know about the Southern Baptists. What I do know is that many secular-minded people are no longer persuaded by traditional doctrines about the Bible, nor can they embrace some of the more literal or supernatural claims promoted by conservative Christians. Beliefs about heaven and hell, as well as strictly literal interpretations of Scripture, are often viewed with skepticism.
Many secular Christians are seeking a faith community and a path of discipleship within the United Methodist Church. The UMC is open to a wide range of theological perspectives and encourages dialogue when disciples wrestle with questions that extend beyond the core beliefs of the Christian faith
The Seven Sisters of the Mainline
— Ryan Burge π (@ryanburge) May 22, 2026
1987-2024
American Baptist: 1.6M -> 1.1M
Disciples of Christ: 1.1M -> 206K
Evangelical Lutherans: 5.3M -> 2.7M
Presbyterian Church USA: 3M -> 1M
Episcopal Church: 2.5M -> 1.5M
United Church of Christ: 1.7M -> 666K
United Methodist: 9.1M -> 4M pic.twitter.com/dJIxU6Pwnb
In 1972, there were 14 mainline Protestants for every non-denominational Protestants.
— Ryan Burge π (@ryanburge) May 23, 2026
In the last five years, there are more non-denoms. than mainline Protestants. pic.twitter.com/QT7QtqPIs1
In 1972, the denominational composition of evangelicals was:
— Ryan Burge π (@ryanburge) May 17, 2026
63% Baptists
4% Non-Denominationals
33% Everyone Else
In 2024:
38% Baptists
30% Non-Denominationals
32% Everyone Else pic.twitter.com/eZ45MDMzif
Redbrickbear said:
A significant portion of both the mainline denominations missing members & the SBC missing members have probably been absorbed by the newer non-denominational Evangelical church groupsIn 1972, there were 14 mainline Protestants for every non-denominational Protestants.
— Ryan Burge π (@ryanburge) May 23, 2026
In the last five years, there are more non-denoms. than mainline Protestants. pic.twitter.com/QT7QtqPIs1In 1972, the denominational composition of evangelicals was:
— Ryan Burge π (@ryanburge) May 17, 2026
63% Baptists
4% Non-Denominationals
33% Everyone Else
In 2024:
38% Baptists
30% Non-Denominationals
32% Everyone Else pic.twitter.com/eZ45MDMzif
Redbrickbear said:
A significant portion of both the mainline denominations missing members & the SBC missing members have probably been absorbed by the newer non-denominational Evangelical church groupsIn 1972, there were 14 mainline Protestants for every non-denominational Protestants.
— Ryan Burge π (@ryanburge) May 23, 2026
In the last five years, there are more non-denoms. than mainline Protestants. pic.twitter.com/QT7QtqPIs1In 1972, the denominational composition of evangelicals was:
— Ryan Burge π (@ryanburge) May 17, 2026
63% Baptists
4% Non-Denominationals
33% Everyone Else
In 2024:
38% Baptists
30% Non-Denominationals
32% Everyone Else pic.twitter.com/eZ45MDMzif
Realitybites said:4th and Inches said:Realitybites said:Waco1947 said:
SBC needs to get out of the 1950s
"Go and tell the men I have risen!" Jesus
"Crap. This is gonna sound crazy
Crap. This is gonna sound crazy but I can't. In 2026 the SBC voted to silence me."
"What's the SBC?" Jesus
Bearing false witness.
Two women were the first people on earth to see the risen Christ and bring news of his resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10).
The prohibition of women in the pulpit in no way prevents a woman from sharing the gospel, and God is well pleased when they do. He just doesn't want them being pastors.
The SBC has gotten a great deal wrong over the past few decades organizationally, specifically Russell Moore and the ERLC along with the last few presidents. But this isn't one of those things.
why do you think this is Gods will?
Scripture says it.
Tradition says it.
Fruit is evidence of it. There hasn't been a single denomination that has started ordaining women that hasn't gone off the rails doctrinally, morally, or both.
4th and Inches said:Waco1947 said:Redbrickbear said:Waco1947 said:
The reason for United Methodist decline very much varied. Women are not the cause.
Then preventing women from being Pastors is not the reason for SBC decline (it's very much varied)
I
I don't know about the Southern Baptists. What I do know is that many secular-minded people are no longer persuaded by traditional doctrines about the Bible, nor can they embrace some of the more literal or supernatural claims promoted by conservative Christians. Beliefs about heaven and hell, as well as strictly literal interpretations of Scripture, are often viewed with skepticism.
you have described 2 Timothy 4:3-4
I would just like everyone to keep in mind that when Charlie Dates said that he was leaving the SBC over racism, JD Greear validated those claims without a shred of evidence.
— Megan Basham (@megbasham) June 29, 2026
And this is also the man that David French and Russell Moore championed with their After Party Bible⦠https://t.co/a3ilWWxBDz
