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My entire explanation is based on politics, economics, and the history of both. You are stuck on the Leftist propaganda and cannot (or refuse to) see the lies.

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You are coming up with your own biased ideas and then saying anyone that doesnt agree is not willing to see the lies?

No, I'm using accurate definitions based on reality instead of Marxist propaganda.

Use what you want, but when you pass it off as something it isnt you are who looks foolish. Not visionary, not intelligent, just another flunkie, zealot or propaganda bot...

What is foolish is to treat Marxist propaganda as dogma and be unwilling to see it for what it is.

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What is foolish is to treat Marxist propaganda as dogma and be unwilling to see it for what it is.

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You are wasting your time with this guy. It's not his fault; three or four decades of running script lines with the bureaucracy makes a permanent imprint on a person's brain. My mother was headed in the same direction after 25 years with the VA until she had the good fortune of being summoned to a position in the union. A couple of years of defending the most idiotic behavior by employees imaginable in jobs they could never lose finally sent her racing back to the other side.

Fauci was just another case of the government's Peter Principle in action. It only showed itself once he reached a level where his power could inflate his wallet, and then that power put the welfare of the people in a shlt can. Add the narcissistic pull of fame and rubbing elbows with the A-listers, and it was more than he could resist, no matter the cost to the peons and their grandmothers. So much so that merely coming clean even with the guarantee of freedom from legal consequences couldn't spur decency in the man. At least he kept that wicked curve ball of his.

You guys keep only focusing on Fauci. I said if they are going to read his diary and grill him
Grill them all, I want Donald, Pence, Biden and the actual decision makers, not Fauci and Dr scarf-lady. They were subject matter experts and went with the rest of the world. Lets get Gen Kelly in there and hear, he would love to tell what happened. You guys dont seem to call for that, only Fauci... You think Trump wants Kelly talkin

You seem to be suggesting that we expect our presidents to make decisions on matters with which they have zero experience or expertise without expert counsel, and that the very people that we task with providing the expertise on vitally crucial matters in the safety and welfare of our citizens should bear no responsibility for making up protocols without scientific basis, lying about pathogenic mortality rates at ten times the base, failing to truthfully disseminate vital information representing the vast consensus of his colleagues and engaging in play-acting with regard to the restrictive edicts that he used fear-mongering to elicit. Not to mention doing such as the highest paid employee in the entire government.

To further suggest that Fauci is somehow absolved because he "went with the rest of the world" is the rankest sort of placation that is so typical of a bureaucrat. Fauci is not responsible for the citizens of Italy or Kenya or Canada, or any other country under the spell of the China-influenced WHO; he is responsible for Americans. That's why the taxpayers paid him more than any other of their advisors.

If what Fauci did was right, or was wrong but based on the scientific evidence with known data, he would have no reason to refuse to answer questions from anybody regarding his actions and advice. He had nothing to fear legally regarding anything he did, even if testified that he did something that was against the law. And yet, he was so concerned over what those answers would reveal, that he invoked a constitutional protection, that didn't even apply to a pardoned individual, over 100 times; something that he never did once in the more than 250 times he had testified before congress prior.

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The fascists wanted to mandate the lockdowns & the vax nationally. Thankfully, red state leaders had better ideas. DeSantis was one of the best and smartest in his leadership. Abbott, was a bit late.

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Simply not true. There was no effort or even suggestion by the Trump administration to mandate national lockdowns.

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Parsing words.

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So...the president shouldn't be allowed to issue non-binding recommendations without approval from Congress? Or the states, counties, and municipalities shouldn't be allowed to exercise their own powers without approval from Congress? Where exactly are you going with this?

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Talk to me about how many states opted out. Presidential "recommendations" strings attached.

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State lockdowns ranged from 40-60 days at the low end to 250+ days at the high end, so attributing it all to a slogan about "two weeks to stop the spread" is rather silly. You're just looking for an easy scapegoat.

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You seem to be suggesting that we expect our presidents to make decisions on matters with which they have zero experience or expertise without expert counsel, and that the very people that we task with providing the expertise on vitally crucial matters in the safety and welfare of our citizens should bear no responsibility for making up protocols without scientific basis, lying about pathogenic mortality rates at ten times the base, failing to truthfully disseminate vital information representing the vast consensus of his colleagues and engaging in play-acting with regard to the restrictive edicts that he used fear-mongering to elicit. Not to mention doing such as the highest paid employee in the entire government.

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Except that none of that actually happened.

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You seem to be suggesting that we expect our presidents to make decisions on matters with which they have zero experience or expertise without expert counsel, and that the very people that we task with providing the expertise on vitally crucial matters in the safety and welfare of our citizens should bear no responsibility for making up protocols without scientific basis, lying about pathogenic mortality rates at ten times the base, failing to truthfully disseminate vital information representing the vast consensus of his colleagues and engaging in play-acting with regard to the restrictive edicts that he used fear-mongering to elicit. Not to mention doing such as the highest paid employee in the entire government.

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Except that none of that actually happened.

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The guy admitted to every one of those things. Good grief.

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Nope.

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Fascism is of the Left. There is no such thing is right wing fascism, that's a myth started by the Soviets a century ago. It's amazing how long lies can be ingrained in public thinking! That's the impact of relentless propaganda for decades.

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Fascism's philosophical origins were socialist, but it was reactionary in practice. It had plenty of support from conservative elites, nationalist politicians, and big business, all of whom saw it as an antidote to communism.

Simply calling yourself conservative or right-wing doesn't inoculate you from any association with fascism. Such a claim would be thoroughly ahistorical and dishonest.

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Sam Lowry said:

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The fascists wanted to mandate the lockdowns & the vax nationally. Thankfully, red state leaders had better ideas. DeSantis was one of the best and smartest in his leadership. Abbott, was a bit late.

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Simply not true. There was no effort or even suggestion by the Trump administration to mandate national lockdowns.

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Parsing words.

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So...the president shouldn't be allowed to issue non-binding recommendations without approval from Congress? Or the states, counties, and municipalities shouldn't be allowed to exercise their own powers without approval from Congress? Where exactly are you going with this?

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Talk to me about how many states opted out. Presidential "recommendations" strings attached.

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State lockdowns ranged from 40-60 days at the low end to 250+ days at the high end, so attributing it all to a slogan about "two weeks to stop the spread" is rather silly. You're just looking for an easy scapegoat.

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It's interesting what you ignore when you really want to.

You are mixing numerous subjects.

First, the "Buck Stops Here". That's the job, as least as it is set up in the 21st Century. President's don't go to Congress anymore to go to war or do many things. He has the best information in the world and access to the world. They control military, economy, social, health, science, interior, energy and all are policies they have to decide. So, yes. We do expect them to make decisions on things they know nothing about, everyday.

Second, Fauci was not asked science or medical questions by Paul. It was a political stunt to drag the guy into the media and read his personal diary publicly. He already has a pardon, just like most everyone else involved has no liability clauses or direct pardons. There is no reason for him to go against legal advice and answer anything about personal writings that are normally protected. This was a witch hunt meant as a grandstand by Paul. You would do the same thing, why? Because you counsel would have told you to. And only stupid people go against their legal advice.

Third, nothing the guy advised the President was contrary or different than the rest of the world. We didn't do anything out in left field, everyone else was in the same position. Doing the same things. You guys act like he was doing something different.

Finally, he did have anything to do with the vaccines. He received nothing from Moderna or Pfizer. Warp Speed was Trump's idea. Look into it, Fauci stressed the need for vigorous clinical trials. Trump pushed to skip them or redice the time. "Never been done before faster"...

Fauci's biggest crime is liking the lime light and being very unlikable. As for the "awards", that I don't know about and it was not part of COVID. They should investigate that separately, to determine if anything illegal was done. It is 4 months before elections, now is a good time for grandstanding.

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Fascism is of the Left. There is no such thing is right wing fascism, that's a myth started by the Soviets a century ago. It's amazing how long lies can be ingrained in public thinking! That's the impact of relentless propaganda for decades.

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Fascism's philosophical origins were socialist, but it was reactionary in practice. It had plenty of support from conservative elites, nationalist politicians, and big business, all of whom saw it as an antidote to communism.

Simply calling yourself conservative or right-wing doesn't inoculate you from any association with fascism. Such a claim would be thoroughly ahistorical and dishonest.

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Lots of radical movements gain support from a variety of forces for a variety of reasons. Those who helped put Hitler in power thought they could control him. They were wrong. These movements have their "useful idiots" that help them and ard then discarded when no longer needed.

Repeating a Leftist propaganda line doesn't inoculate you from any association with fascism. It's thoroughly ahistorical and dishonest.

Yeah him and Flunaticbear take so many Ls and die on their hills every time

Making up protocols without scientific basis: FALSE
Lying about pathogenic mortality rates at ten times the base: FALSE
Failing to truthfully disseminate vital information representing the vast consensus of his colleagues: FALSE
Engaging in play-acting with regard to the restrictive edicts that he used fear-mongering to elicit: ???

It's not even clear what the last point means, but it's certainly not anything Fauci admitted to.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Making up protocols without scientific basis: FALSE
Lying about pathogenic mortality rates at ten times the base: FALSE
Failing to truthfully disseminate vital information representing the vast consensus of his colleagues: FALSE
Engaging in play-acting with regard to the restrictive edicts that he used fear-mongering to elicit: ???

It's not even clear what the last point means, but it's certainly not anything Fauci admitted to.

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1. Failure to be truthful about the protocols and the extent of their effectiveness - True.
He discouraged masks as ineffective at first likely to slow a run on hospital needed PPE. He just couldn't be truthful. The only science he really used here was his version of psychology. We could go on covering his about face on the subject.

2. Fear and bad incentives for reporting cases accurately are likely more at fault here.

3. Absolutely true based on his emails. Not sure how one can come up with any other conclusion. He was definitely not putting out what he knew to be real consensus.

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Honestly, I do not have a problem with the masks, 6 feet or the traveling testing. I have seen it in emergencies, sometimes having people take action, even if not 100% effective, helps with the morale and attitude. Humans do better if they take action to try and help, even if it doesn't always work. We all want to feel like we are doing something to protect ourselves. Hoplessness, is not helpful. I can see being in his position recommending those actions rather than saying nothing will prevent you from getting it.

With a pandemic, I don't see testing when flying or entering a new locale a bad thing.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Making up protocols without scientific basis: FALSE
Lying about pathogenic mortality rates at ten times the base: FALSE
Failing to truthfully disseminate vital information representing the vast consensus of his colleagues: FALSE
Engaging in play-acting with regard to the restrictive edicts that he used fear-mongering to elicit: ???

It's not even clear what the last point means, but it's certainly not anything Fauci admitted to.

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1. Failure to be truthful about the protocols and the extent of their effectiveness - True.
He discouraged masks as ineffective at first likely to slow a run on hospital needed PPE. He just couldn't be truthful. The only science he really used here was his version of psychology. We could go on covering his about face on the subject.

2. Fear and bad incentives for reporting cases accurately are likely more at fault here.

3. Absolutely true based on his emails. Not sure how one can come up with any other conclusion. He was definitely not putting out what he knew to be real consensus.

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1. His initial comments about masking didn't account for the fact that the virus was spread by aerosols.

2. Fauci was always open about the range of fatality estimates and the uncertainty involved. The same month he wrote the notorious diary entry, he acknowledged the following in an article published in the NEJM:

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On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%. In another article in the Journal, Guan et al. report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

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For the record, current global estimates of average case fatality and infection fatality rates for Covid are 10-15 times higher than seasonal flu and 4-20 times higher than seasonal flu, respectively. This is far from the realm of SARS-1 or MERS, as Fauci suggests, but it's also consistent with statements he and others made as the evidence accumulated during the pandemic.

3. If you're talking about the lab leak theory, that's just not what the emails say. The best you can say is that it wasn't immediately rejected, at least not by everyone. At no time past or present has there ever been a consensus in its favor.

Odd, isn't it, that "Fauci Diary" can be rearranged to "A Fiduciary"

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Making up protocols without scientific basis: FALSE
Lying about pathogenic mortality rates at ten times the base: FALSE
Failing to truthfully disseminate vital information representing the vast consensus of his colleagues: FALSE
Engaging in play-acting with regard to the restrictive edicts that he used fear-mongering to elicit: ???

It's not even clear what the last point means, but it's certainly not anything Fauci admitted to.

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1. Failure to be truthful about the protocols and the extent of their effectiveness - True.
He discouraged masks as ineffective at first likely to slow a run on hospital needed PPE. He just couldn't be truthful. The only science he really used here was his version of psychology. We could go on covering his about face on the subject.

2. Fear and bad incentives for reporting cases accurately are likely more at fault here.

3. Absolutely true based on his emails. Not sure how one can come up with any other conclusion. He was definitely not putting out what he knew to be real consensus.

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Honestly, I do not have a problem with the masks, 6 feet or the traveling testing. I have seen it in emergencies, sometimes having people take action, even if not 100% effective, helps with the morale and attitude. Humans do better if they take action to try and help, even if it doesn't always work. We all want to feel like we are doing something to protect ourselves. Hoplessness, is not helpful. I can see being in his position recommending those actions rather than saying nothing will prevent you from getting it.

With a pandemic, I don't see testing when flying or entering a new locale a bad thing.

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Hypocrisy is a bad thing. Like when Fauci attends a ball game and doesn't wear the mask he says everyone must wear, or politicians who demand businesses shut down and people stay home, while they attend parties.

The mandates were bad. Reading and Math scores plummeted because it turns out grade school kids needed to be in school to get a proper education. Small businesses were not allowed to open, while corporations got designated as 'essential'.

And then there was the experimental vaccine. I like that we pushed to get something available, but it's very different when suddenly people were required to take a vaccine that had not been tested and which had unknown side effects and long term consequences.

We will never know how many people lost their jobs because their employer bought into the exaggerations about the vaccine, but we do know military people, at very low risk, were sometimes discharged for not taking the experimental vaccine, and we do know a lot of nurses and doctors were also fired, including many who already had immunity to COVID because of exposure to it.

And then we saw the absurd, like a guy arrested for paddleboading,

Paddle boarder arrested in Malibu, ignored coronavirus closures - Los Angeles Times

or a man beaten by police for not wearing a mask

Video shows police beating man not wearing mask in public

What's most outrageous now, is how the people pushing this mandate crap have just pretended they did nothing wrong.

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There were definitely overreaches. NE was ridiculous. Huge difference between what you describe and standing 6 feet away from someone in line. Even wearing a mask in public, is not what you are describing.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Making up protocols without scientific basis: FALSE
Lying about pathogenic mortality rates at ten times the base: FALSE
Failing to truthfully disseminate vital information representing the vast consensus of his colleagues: FALSE
Engaging in play-acting with regard to the restrictive edicts that he used fear-mongering to elicit: ???

It's not even clear what the last point means, but it's certainly not anything Fauci admitted to.

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1. Failure to be truthful about the protocols and the extent of their effectiveness - True.
He discouraged masks as ineffective at first likely to slow a run on hospital needed PPE. He just couldn't be truthful. The only science he really used here was his version of psychology. We could go on covering his about face on the subject.

2. Fear and bad incentives for reporting cases accurately are likely more at fault here.

3. Absolutely true based on his emails. Not sure how one can come up with any other conclusion. He was definitely not putting out what he knew to be real consensus.

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1. His initial comments about masking didn't account for the fact that the virus was spread by aerosols.

2. Fauci was always open about the range of fatality estimates and the uncertainty involved. The same month he wrote the notorious diary entry, he acknowledged the following in an article published in the NEJM:

Quote:

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On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%. In another article in the Journal, Guan et al. report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

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For the record, current global estimates of average case fatality and infection fatality rates for Covid are 10-15 times higher than seasonal flu and 4-20 times higher than seasonal flu, respectively. This is far from the realm of SARS-1 or MERS, as Fauci suggests, but it's also consistent with statements he and others made as the evidence accumulated during the pandemic.

3. If you're talking about the lab leak theory, that's just not what the emails say. The best you can say is that it wasn't immediately rejected, at least not by everyone. At no time past or present has there ever been a consensus in its favor.

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1. Patently false. Aerosol spread was most definitely suspected, if not known, by that time. That's why the discussion about masks to begin with.

2. I wasn't even arguing fauci had much to shop with covid fatality reporting being off. There's too much blame to go around on that front.

3. Whitewash the emails all you want. It won't help you.

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1. It was always suspected, but not known until somewhat later. And I know you're the last person who would want authorities issuing alarmist recommendations based on suspicion. Fauci also acknowledged that potential shortages were a consideration:

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While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands.

But there is another risk to healthy people buying disposable masks as a precaution. The price of face masks is surging, and Prestige Ameritech, the nation's largest surgical mask manufacturer, is now struggling to keep up with the increased demand.

"It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it," Fauci said.

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2. The reporting wasn't notably off under the circumstances. Some uncertainty was built into the situation.

3. There are plenty of opinions about the pandemic, but one thing is absolutely clear. There is not and never has been a consensus in favor of the lab leak theory. The emails don't change that fact in the slightest.

Sam Lowry said:

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Making up protocols without scientific basis: FALSE
Lying about pathogenic mortality rates at ten times the base: FALSE
Failing to truthfully disseminate vital information representing the vast consensus of his colleagues: FALSE
Engaging in play-acting with regard to the restrictive edicts that he used fear-mongering to elicit: ???

It's not even clear what the last point means, but it's certainly not anything Fauci admitted to.

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Apparently honest Fauci was completely honest in taking the Fifth 111 times in front of the panel. Completely up front and nothing to hide... backed up what HE wrote in his diary completely.

" If you're talking about the lab leak theory, that's just not what the emails say. The best you can say is that it wasn't immediately rejected, at least not by everyone. At no time past or present has there ever been a consensus in its favor."

Former Biden COVID-19 response coordinator Dr. Ashish Jha says pandemic 'probably was a lab leak'
Former Biden COVID-19 response coordinator Dr. Ashish Jha says pandemic 'probably was a lab leak' - AOL

What to Know About the CIA's Conclusion that COVID-19 Came From a Lab
What to Know About the CIA's Conclusion that COVID-19 Came From a Lab

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak
COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

The Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab
Opinion | The Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab. These 5 Key Points Explain Why. - The New York Times

FBI chief Christopher Wray says China lab leak most likely
FBI chief Christopher Wray says China lab leak most likely

The Covid 'lab leak' theory isn't just a rightwing conspiracy pretending that's the case is bad for science
The Covid 'lab leak' theory isn't just a rightwing conspiracy pretending that's the case is bad for science | Jane Qiu | The Guardian

Looks like the adults have a consensus on the lab leak.

Sam appears to listening to ... other voices on this issue.

Oldbear83 said:

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" If you're talking about the lab leak theory, that's just not what the emails say. The best you can say is that it wasn't immediately rejected, at least not by everyone. At no time past or present has there ever been a consensus in its favor."

Former Biden COVID-19 response coordinator Dr. Ashish Jha says pandemic 'probably was a lab leak'
Former Biden COVID-19 response coordinator Dr. Ashish Jha says pandemic 'probably was a lab leak' - AOL

What to Know About the CIA's Conclusion that COVID-19 Came From a Lab
What to Know About the CIA's Conclusion that COVID-19 Came From a Lab

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak
COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

The Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab
Opinion | The Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab. These 5 Key Points Explain Why. - The New York Times

FBI chief Christopher Wray says China lab leak most likely
FBI chief Christopher Wray says China lab leak most likely

The Covid 'lab leak' theory isn't just a rightwing conspiracy pretending that's the case is bad for science
The Covid 'lab leak' theory isn't just a rightwing conspiracy pretending that's the case is bad for science | Jane Qiu | The Guardian

Looks like the adults have a consensus on the lab leak.

Sam appears to listening to ... other voices on this issue.

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Probably those overweight Walking Corpses in Gaza

I did not write this

In the MAGA Republican sprint to the bottom, Kentucky senator Rand Paul is a veritable Usain Bolt. His headlong persecution of Dr Anthony Fauci has a long and disgraceful history rooted in one of the dumbest conspiracy theories ever conceived by the minds of lunatics.

In his absurdly stupid conspiracy theory book, "Deception: The Great COVID Cover-Up," Rand Paul alleges that the National Institute of Health specifically under Dr Anthony Fauci's oversight used taxpayer dollars to fund high-risk "gain-of-function" research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

According to Paul, this research supposedly modified bat coronaviruses to make them more transmissible and lethal to humans. This lab-modified virus was released from the Wuhan facility giving us COVID-19. According to Paul, anyway. And millions of other conspiracy theory propellor-heads and tinfoil hat-wearing loonies.

The problem with this theory is that it isn't credible. It may not even be possible. It has been thoroughly scientifically debunked.

Since conspiracy theory-thinking people prefer dark fantasies to scientific facts they don't understand, they made Dr Fauci the focus of their anti-vaccine rebellion and hate. Rand Paul understood this perfectly and exploited their gullibility by writing his book.

Does Rand Paul understand the science that debunks his claim? Maybe. Somewhere in the dark place where his heart should be he might even believe it. It is well within his capacity to be that hypocritically deceitful.

I'll give you a specific example of just how hypocritical and deceitful Paul is.

For years Rand Paul has claimed that he never got the COVID vaccine. Paul maintains that COVID itself provides its own source of immunity. "Infection provides its own protection," as he puts it. In other words, once you get the disease and survive, your immune system is sufficient to fight off future COVID infections.

This bull**** has been debunked over and over just by plain experience alone. We all probably know people who got COVID multiple times. Many of us know people who died from it. Rand Paul is a physician, and he should know better than to say such a wildly irresponsible thing. But he said it because he's also a Republican.

On July 28 Rand Paul posted this to X: "Remember: Anthony Fauci was all about 'following the science,' until it came to vaccines. He was all about forcing you into compliance, even though we all knew infection was the best protection."

This libellous statement is accompanied by a meme of Dr Fauci with a band-aid on his arm and holding a vaccine certificate. Dr Fauci is deliberately made to look ridiculous. The caption reads, "Did You Get Your Fauci Ouchie?" A disgusting thing for a United States senator to post for any reason.

But Paul was outed by Pittsburgh area chef Joe Gera, who replied to Paul's boast with this: "You were vaccinated. Multiple times. How do I know? Because I cooked an event you attended in early 2022. The venue's policy was: if you wanted to attend unmasked, you had to be vaccinated (this didn't stop until April that year at this venue). You also had to RSVP well in advance and provide a negative COVID test before the event. So if you were there, you met those requirements. But by all means, keep bull****ting."

More than a million Americans died from COVID-19. Many of them were in full health with no underlying medical conditions. How is it that "infection was the best protection" for them? Rand Paul should have lost his medical licence for that reason alone.

Paul's claim that he has never been vaccinated is a lie. It disproves his stance that infection is the best protection. As usual with Republicans, the rules only apply to other people not them.

Rand Paul has been vaccinated, just like every last one of the lying *******s at Fox "News." Just like a lot of people who openly support vaccine resistance but quietly get vaccinated themselves.

As I write this, neither Rand Paul nor his flunkies have responded to Joe Gera's exposure of Paul's hypocrisy, despite the fact that it has gone viral and was picked up by the national news.

I suspect Paul and his handlers are just hoping for it to die down and go away. Don't let it happen. Let's remember his hypocrisy and point it out to the next MAGA cretin who bashes Dr Fauci with lies spewed by the junior senator from Kentucky. (What is it that makes Kentucky senators a special kind of *******, anyway?)

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I did not write this

In the MAGA Republican sprint to the bottom, Kentucky senator Rand Paul is a veritable Usain Bolt. His headlong persecution of Dr Anthony Fauci has a long and disgraceful history rooted in one of the dumbest conspiracy theories ever conceived by the minds of lunatics.

In his absurdly stupid conspiracy theory book, "Deception: The Great COVID Cover-Up," Rand Paul alleges that the National Institute of Health specifically under Dr Anthony Fauci's oversight used taxpayer dollars to fund high-risk "gain-of-function" research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

According to Paul, this research supposedly modified bat coronaviruses to make them more transmissible and lethal to humans. This lab-modified virus was released from the Wuhan facility giving us COVID-19. According to Paul, anyway. And millions of other conspiracy theory propellor-heads and tinfoil hat-wearing loonies.

The problem with this theory is that it isn't credible. It may not even be possible. It has been thoroughly scientifically debunked.

Since conspiracy theory-thinking people prefer dark fantasies to scientific facts they don't understand, they made Dr Fauci the focus of their anti-vaccine rebellion and hate. Rand Paul understood this perfectly and exploited their gullibility by writing his book.

Does Rand Paul understand the science that debunks his claim? Maybe. Somewhere in the dark place where his heart should be he might even believe it. It is well within his capacity to be that hypocritically deceitful.

I'll give you a specific example of just how hypocritical and deceitful Paul is.

For years Rand Paul has claimed that he never got the COVID vaccine. Paul maintains that COVID itself provides its own source of immunity. "Infection provides its own protection," as he puts it. In other words, once you get the disease and survive, your immune system is sufficient to fight off future COVID infections.

This bull**** has been debunked over and over just by plain experience alone. We all probably know people who got COVID multiple times. Many of us know people who died from it. Rand Paul is a physician, and he should know better than to say such a wildly irresponsible thing. But he said it because he's also a Republican.

On July 28 Rand Paul posted this to X: "Remember: Anthony Fauci was all about 'following the science,' until it came to vaccines. He was all about forcing you into compliance, even though we all knew infection was the best protection."

This libellous statement is accompanied by a meme of Dr Fauci with a band-aid on his arm and holding a vaccine certificate. Dr Fauci is deliberately made to look ridiculous. The caption reads, "Did You Get Your Fauci Ouchie?" A disgusting thing for a United States senator to post for any reason.

But Paul was outed by Pittsburgh area chef Joe Gera, who replied to Paul's boast with this: "You were vaccinated. Multiple times. How do I know? Because I cooked an event you attended in early 2022. The venue's policy was: if you wanted to attend unmasked, you had to be vaccinated (this didn't stop until April that year at this venue). You also had to RSVP well in advance and provide a negative COVID test before the event. So if you were there, you met those requirements. But by all means, keep bull****ting."

More than a million Americans died from COVID-19. Many of them were in full health with no underlying medical conditions. How is it that "infection was the best protection" for them? Rand Paul should have lost his medical licence for that reason alone.

Paul's claim that he has never been vaccinated is a lie. It disproves his stance that infection is the best protection. As usual with Republicans, the rules only apply to other people not them.

Rand Paul has been vaccinated, just like every last one of the lying *******s at Fox "News." Just like a lot of people who openly support vaccine resistance but quietly get vaccinated themselves.

As I write this, neither Rand Paul nor his flunkies have responded to Joe Gera's exposure of Paul's hypocrisy, despite the fact that it has gone viral and was picked up by the national news.

I suspect Paul and his handlers are just hoping for it to die down and go away. Don't let it happen. Let's remember his hypocrisy and point it out to the next MAGA cretin who bashes Dr Fauci with lies spewed by the junior senator from Kentucky. (What is it that makes Kentucky senators a special kind of *******, anyway?)

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I can understand why you prefaced by saying "I didn't write this" as there is so much BS in it.

Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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More than a million Americans died from COVID-19. Many of them were in full health with no underlying medical conditions. How is it that "infection was the best protection" for them? Rand Paul should have lost his medical licence for that reason alone.
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No one believes this for a second