Then literally any and every politician would be in jail since their inception
My goodness, you are an idiot
My goodness, you are an idiot
Is it not illegal to buy votes?
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Danielsjackson114 said:
On top of making a idiotic thread, you double down to more idiocy
You liberals are something else
hey captain big talking MAGA spank, you take my bet? Jimmy John's said it was ok. Your mom said it was ok if it got you out of the basement Grinder Spank Theater! You take the bet MEOW?
historian said:
Under Obama & Biden, the federal govt was giving free cell phones to illegals (& others?). I think Trump stopped it but I'm not sure.
The government provides free phones to low-income people who qualify for eligible programs. Before cell phones became the standard, pay phones were maintained so that people would have access to emergency services. This used to be required.
The Biden infrastructure bill went further as it attempted to extend high-speed internet to rural communities. I believe those funds are now being redirected.
Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Guy Noir said:
I bilieve we need to balance the Federal budget. We currently have a $40T debt. I see a $50T debt on the near horizon.
100%, but neither party has the balls to do it.
The Democrats love to chirp about it when there is a Republican administration while promising more goodies to voters.
Democrats do a much better job on the budget than republicans.
No one has been as reckless as Trump. 1/3 of the 40T deficit has happened on his watch.
Both parties suck as far as the budget goes. The Republicans at least have the excuse that they perpetually have to spend crazy $$ rebuilding the military that the dumocrats perpetually devastate when they're in power.
Waco1947 said:
Under U.S. federal law, specifically 18 U.S. Code 597, it is a federal crime to make or offer an expenditure to any person to influence their vote, to withhold their vote, or to vote for or against a specific candidate. It is also illegal for a citizen to solicit or accept such a payment.
Who enforces this law?
Cling and Clang
Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Guy Noir said:
I bilieve we need to balance the Federal budget. We currently have a $40T debt. I see a $50T debt on the near horizon.
100%, but neither party has the balls to do it.
The Democrats love to chirp about it when there is a Republican administration while promising more goodies to voters.
Democrats do a much better job on the budget than republicans.
No one has been as reckless as Trump. 1/3 of the 40T deficit has happened on his watch.
Both parties suck as far as the budget goes. The Republicans at least have the excuse that they perpetually have to spend crazy $$ rebuilding the military that the dumocrats perpetually devastate when they're in power.
That's not what the numbers show. What the last two Republican Presidents have done is start forever wars with no exit strategy AFTER cutting taxes.
GrowlTowel said:Mitch Blood Green said:
Trump has no authority to pay $5,000 per person besides, he doesn't pay his bills. You're a fool if you believe this will happen.
Two things:
1. Correct. Trump does not have the ability as President to do this . . . which is why he wants people to elect a complete Republican Congress.
2. Media. The point of this stunt is not to give out $5,000, it is to get free news headlines and to flip the Democrat's script. You now have a party that has done nothing but promise freebies for the past 60 years now coming out against freebies.
As to your point 2, you can go back even further than the past 60 years. Guess what the real motivation was for "The New Deal"…….
Mitch Blood Green said:Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Guy Noir said:
I bilieve we need to balance the Federal budget. We currently have a $40T debt. I see a $50T debt on the near horizon.
100%, but neither party has the balls to do it.
The Democrats love to chirp about it when there is a Republican administration while promising more goodies to voters.
Democrats do a much better job on the budget than republicans.
No one has been as reckless as Trump. 1/3 of the 40T deficit has happened on his watch.
Both parties suck as far as the budget goes. The Republicans at least have the excuse that they perpetually have to spend crazy $$ rebuilding the military that the dumocrats perpetually devastate when they're in power.
That's not what the numbers show. What the last two Republican Presidents have done is start forever wars with no exit strategy AFTER cutting taxes.
I looked up the definition of "forever" and it's a
lot more than 6-7 months. And Iran not having nukes with assurance of no future development of nukes either through negotiation (granted highly unlikely), or through regime collapse (more likely and possible) IS an exit strategy.
Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Guy Noir said:
I bilieve we need to balance the Federal budget. We currently have a $40T debt. I see a $50T debt on the near horizon.
100%, but neither party has the balls to do it.
The Democrats love to chirp about it when there is a Republican administration while promising more goodies to voters.
Democrats do a much better job on the budget than republicans.
No one has been as reckless as Trump. 1/3 of the 40T deficit has happened on his watch.
Both parties suck as far as the budget goes. The Republicans at least have the excuse that they perpetually have to spend crazy $$ rebuilding the military that the dumocrats perpetually devastate when they're in power.
That's not what the numbers show. What the last two Republican Presidents have done is start forever wars with no exit strategy AFTER cutting taxes.
I looked up the definition of "forever" and it's a
lot more than 6-7 months. And Iran not having nukes with assurance of no future development of nukes either through negotiation (granted highly unlikely), or through regime collapse (more likely and possible) IS an exit strategy.
We had all that worked out in 2015.
Mitch Blood Green said:Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Guy Noir said:
I bilieve we need to balance the Federal budget. We currently have a $40T debt. I see a $50T debt on the near horizon.
100%, but neither party has the balls to do it.
The Democrats love to chirp about it when there is a Republican administration while promising more goodies to voters.
Democrats do a much better job on the budget than republicans.
No one has been as reckless as Trump. 1/3 of the 40T deficit has happened on his watch.
Both parties suck as far as the budget goes. The Republicans at least have the excuse that they perpetually have to spend crazy $$ rebuilding the military that the dumocrats perpetually devastate when they're in power.
That's not what the numbers show. What the last two Republican Presidents have done is start forever wars with no exit strategy AFTER cutting taxes.
I looked up the definition of "forever" and it's a
lot more than 6-7 months. And Iran not having nukes with assurance of no future development of nukes either through negotiation (granted highly unlikely), or through regime collapse (more likely and possible) IS an exit strategy.
We had all that worked out in 2015.
LOL! Yeah right. Paying them $1.7BB to help fund additional terrorism and signing an agreement that provided a clear path to the development of nukes would've killed them for sure!
Do you have any brain cells?
fubar said:GrowlTowel said:fubar said:Mitch Blood Green said:
Trump has no authority to pay $5,000 per person besides, he doesn't pay his bills. You're a fool if you believe this will happen.
Exactly. The whataboutism game is stupid.
Buying votes is illegal.
Then how would any Democrat ever be elected?
If you really don't see the difference, there's not much I can say.
But, by all means, keep playing your stupid game. The idiots love it.
You have a democrat running for governor on the exact same platform. Please point me to your post calling her out.
Do you not see the difference between picking a man up on the street, giving him food, money, and cigarettes, driving him to the polls, and having him vote correctly as buying votes? That is bedrock democrat strategy, used for years and years.
You have a slate of candidates that are promising if elected free health care, free daycare, free public transportation, and free college. Care to point to your outrage posts regarding these candidates out buying votes?
Biden forgave student loan debt and the promised to do it again right before the 2022 midterm. I do not remember your outrage then either.
Your party is promising if elected rent freezes and moratoriums, "housing for all," and universal healthcare - but that is not buying votes in your opinion?
Good Lord, your last candidate for president was promising free gender reassignment surgeries.
Now, please continue your smug lecture professor . . . how is Trump's stunt to turn the tables on your party different from your party's long standing policy of we will give you free stuff when elected.
Trump Pledges That If Voters Defeat Socialism In November, They Will Each Get An Equal Redistribution Of Wealth From The Government https://t.co/qe16k9ucsf
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) September 10, 2026
Watters: That $5,000 check. That's not a bribe. We're calling it an enticement. We don't know if the check will ever get there. What happens if the Republicans take the house and they balk and don't write the checks? It's not Trump's fault. He just blames congress. It's like a… pic.twitter.com/tRvF5PHhpy
— Acyn (@Acyn) September 10, 2026
Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Guy Noir said:
I bilieve we need to balance the Federal budget. We currently have a $40T debt. I see a $50T debt on the near horizon.
100%, but neither party has the balls to do it.
The Democrats love to chirp about it when there is a Republican administration while promising more goodies to voters.
Democrats do a much better job on the budget than republicans.
No one has been as reckless as Trump. 1/3 of the 40T deficit has happened on his watch.
Both parties suck as far as the budget goes. The Republicans at least have the excuse that they perpetually have to spend crazy $$ rebuilding the military that the dumocrats perpetually devastate when they're in power.
That's not what the numbers show. What the last two Republican Presidents have done is start forever wars with no exit strategy AFTER cutting taxes.
I looked up the definition of "forever" and it's a
lot more than 6-7 months. And Iran not having nukes with assurance of no future development of nukes either through negotiation (granted highly unlikely), or through regime collapse (more likely and possible) IS an exit strategy.
We had all that worked out in 2015.
LOL! Yeah right. Paying them $1.7BB to help fund additional terrorism and signing an agreement that provided a clear path to the development of nukes would've killed them for sure!
Yeah, this is a much better look. We've been bombed out of the Middle East. We can't go to port, we can't resupply.
Yeah, war is a better look.
https://middleeasttransparent.com/how-iran-devastated-an-american-naval-base-and-caused-a-u-s-recalculation/
When we finally reach peace, oil in the Middle East will be bought with Yuan/Crypto or whatever new currency BRICS uses.
GrowlTowel said:fubar said:GrowlTowel said:fubar said:Mitch Blood Green said:
Trump has no authority to pay $5,000 per person besides, he doesn't pay his bills. You're a fool if you believe this will happen.
Exactly. The whataboutism game is stupid.
Buying votes is illegal.
Then how would any Democrat ever be elected?
If you really don't see the difference, there's not much I can say.
But, by all means, keep playing your stupid game. The idiots love it.
You have a democrat running for governor on the exact same platform. Please point me to your post calling her out.
Do you not see the difference between picking a man up on the street, giving him food, money, and cigarettes, driving him to the polls, and having him vote correctly as buying votes? That is bedrock democrat strategy, used for years and years.
You have a slate of candidates that are promising if elected free health care, free daycare, free public transportation, and free college. Care to point to your outrage posts regarding these candidates out buying votes?
Biden forgave student loan debt and the promised to do it again right before the 2022 midterm. I do not remember your outrage then either.
Your party is promising if elected rent freezes and moratoriums, "housing for all," and universal healthcare - but that is not buying votes in your opinion?
Good Lord, your last candidate for president was promising free gender reassignment surgeries.
Now, please continue your smug lecture professor . . . how is Trump's stunt to turn the tables on your party different from your party's long standing policy of we will give you free stuff when elected.
You guys will justify anything he does...
It's 1.2T hit on the debt. This is about the same as Biden's student loan forgiveness, at least that is workforce development. How is this different than Biden and Trump's COVID payouts? People forget Donald did one too... Fiscal conservatism at its best.
They are both ridiculous, the R and the D. Funny how you guys act like the GOP or MAGA is different. They are all the same.
FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:fubar said:GrowlTowel said:fubar said:Mitch Blood Green said:
Trump has no authority to pay $5,000 per person besides, he doesn't pay his bills. You're a fool if you believe this will happen.
Exactly. The whataboutism game is stupid.
Buying votes is illegal.
Then how would any Democrat ever be elected?
If you really don't see the difference, there's not much I can say.
But, by all means, keep playing your stupid game. The idiots love it.
You have a democrat running for governor on the exact same platform. Please point me to your post calling her out.
Do you not see the difference between picking a man up on the street, giving him food, money, and cigarettes, driving him to the polls, and having him vote correctly as buying votes? That is bedrock democrat strategy, used for years and years.
You have a slate of candidates that are promising if elected free health care, free daycare, free public transportation, and free college. Care to point to your outrage posts regarding these candidates out buying votes?
Biden forgave student loan debt and the promised to do it again right before the 2022 midterm. I do not remember your outrage then either.
Your party is promising if elected rent freezes and moratoriums, "housing for all," and universal healthcare - but that is not buying votes in your opinion?
Good Lord, your last candidate for president was promising free gender reassignment surgeries.
Now, please continue your smug lecture professor . . . how is Trump's stunt to turn the tables on your party different from your party's long standing policy of we will give you free stuff when elected.
You guys will justify anything he does...
It's 1.2T hit on the debt. This is about the same as Biden's student loan forgiveness, at least that is workforce development. How is this different than Biden and Trump's COVID payouts? People forget Donald did one too... Fiscal conservatism at its best.
They are both ridiculous, the R and the D. Funny how you guys act like the GOP or MAGA is different. They are all the same.
MAGA is different. Way different. In MAGA, we have a State Department that gets rid of all diplomats (They're DEI) and send Kushner and Witkoff to the region to negotiate the end to the war. All with no experience and lead negotiator doesn't work for the government.
It's a grift. Acceptable to MAGA because they're owning the Libs.
If $1.2T got moved into an account, it will end up with Trump. There's no $5,000 for us.
FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:fubar said:GrowlTowel said:fubar said:Mitch Blood Green said:
Trump has no authority to pay $5,000 per person besides, he doesn't pay his bills. You're a fool if you believe this will happen.
Exactly. The whataboutism game is stupid.
Buying votes is illegal.
Then how would any Democrat ever be elected?
If you really don't see the difference, there's not much I can say.
But, by all means, keep playing your stupid game. The idiots love it.
You have a democrat running for governor on the exact same platform. Please point me to your post calling her out.
Do you not see the difference between picking a man up on the street, giving him food, money, and cigarettes, driving him to the polls, and having him vote correctly as buying votes? That is bedrock democrat strategy, used for years and years.
You have a slate of candidates that are promising if elected free health care, free daycare, free public transportation, and free college. Care to point to your outrage posts regarding these candidates out buying votes?
Biden forgave student loan debt and the promised to do it again right before the 2022 midterm. I do not remember your outrage then either.
Your party is promising if elected rent freezes and moratoriums, "housing for all," and universal healthcare - but that is not buying votes in your opinion?
Good Lord, your last candidate for president was promising free gender reassignment surgeries.
Now, please continue your smug lecture professor . . . how is Trump's stunt to turn the tables on your party different from your party's long standing policy of we will give you free stuff when elected.
You guys will justify anything he does...
It's 1.2T hit on the debt. This is about the same as Biden's student loan forgiveness, at least that is workforce development. How is this different than Biden and Trump's COVID payouts? People forget Donald did one too... Fiscal conservatism at its best.
They are both ridiculous, the R and the D. Funny how you guys act like the GOP or MAGA is different. They are all the same.
It's called Socialism! We are effed up. We got it on both fringes.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Robert Wilson said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Where tf is free hc gonna come from??????
You should ask your President. He is the one in power and could do something if he had any interest. But he has zero interest.
He can make doctors and nurses work for free? Make construction companies build hospitals for free? I feel like that's a 13th amendment problem.
Whether it comes to Trump's $5,000 vote buying checks or free healthcare, I will ask the question again. Where is the money going to come from?
He will have to scale it down to $2000
Forest Bueller III said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Robert Wilson said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Where tf is free hc gonna come from??????
You should ask your President. He is the one in power and could do something if he had any interest. But he has zero interest.
He can make doctors and nurses work for free? Make construction companies build hospitals for free? I feel like that's a 13th amendment problem.
Whether it comes to Trump's $5,000 vote buying checks or free healthcare, I will ask the question again. Where is the money going to come from?
He will have to scale it down to $2000
Piggy is in arrears with his bribes. Where is our Tarriff Check, Doge Divedend? I'm going to go out and spend that $5000. Very gracious of you Mr. Piggy!
What am I gonna do with $5000? Give me 40 acres and a mule and I can earn a living.
GrowlTowel said:Mitch Blood Green said:
Trump has no authority to pay $5,000 per person besides, he doesn't pay his bills. You're a fool if you believe this will happen.
Two things:
1. Correct. Trump does not have the ability as President to do this . . . which is why he wants people to elect a complete Republican Congress.
2. Media. The point of this stunt is not to give out $5,000, it is to get free news headlines and to flip the Democrat's script. You now have a party that has done nothing but promise freebies for the past 60 years now coming out against freebies.
Yeah, that is how it is being received... Not Trump buying votes.
Voters are saying: "wait the Dem's wanted to forgive my student loans and have universal healthcare, Trump is offering to pay everyone 5k if they vote for Republicans to show how bad the Dem's are. Geez, the Dem's suck. Trump really flipped the narrative". Yeah, that is what everyone was saying at the gas station today...
Well, we know the sky in your world is not blue.
There aren't many conservative Trump supporters. Most are a bunch of broke confused liberals looking for differently arranged handouts. Half this site would rather live in communism than share a bathroom with gender confused ******s.
Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Guy Noir said:
I bilieve we need to balance the Federal budget. We currently have a $40T debt. I see a $50T debt on the near horizon.
100%, but neither party has the balls to do it.
The Democrats love to chirp about it when there is a Republican administration while promising more goodies to voters.
Democrats do a much better job on the budget than republicans.
No one has been as reckless as Trump. 1/3 of the 40T deficit has happened on his watch.
Both parties suck as far as the budget goes. The Republicans at least have the excuse that they perpetually have to spend crazy $$ rebuilding the military that the dumocrats perpetually devastate when they're in power.
The bigger budget problem isn't actually defense.
This is the really important point.
The federal deficit is projected at $1.9 trillion in 2026, with debt held by the public around 101% of GDP. CBO says the long-term growth in spending is being driven heavily by mandatory programs and net interest.
Both parties have been irresponsible with the budget. Republicans have generally been more willing to spend heavily on defense, while Democrats have generally been more willing to expand domestic programs. But neither party has consistently been fiscally responsible, and the biggest long-term problem isn't defense spendingit's the combination of entitlement spending, other mandatory spending, and interest on the debt." than discretionary defense spending.
There is simply no political will to hold Congress fiscally responsible., both Dem and GOP
whitetrash said:Waco1947 said:
Under U.S. federal law, specifically 18 U.S. Code 597, it is a federal crime to make or offer an expenditure to any person to influence their vote, to withhold their vote, or to vote for or against a specific candidate. It is also illegal for a citizen to solicit or accept such a payment.
Who enforces this law?
Cling and Clang
Cute picture, but it doesn't rebut the law. I made a specific claim about 18 U.S.C. 597: federal law prohibits paying or offering something of value to influence someone's vote. If you think I'm wrong, tell me which part of the statute I'm misreading. A picture of people in chains isn't an argument against the statute.
Trump Pledges That If Voters Defeat Socialism In November, They Will Each Get An Equal Redistribution Of Wealth From The Government
FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:Mitch Blood Green said:
Trump has no authority to pay $5,000 per person besides, he doesn't pay his bills. You're a fool if you believe this will happen.
Two things:
1. Correct. Trump does not have the ability as President to do this . . . which is why he wants people to elect a complete Republican Congress.
2. Media. The point of this stunt is not to give out $5,000, it is to get free news headlines and to flip the Democrat's script. You now have a party that has done nothing but promise freebies for the past 60 years now coming out against freebies.
Yeah, that is how it is being received... Not Trump buying votes.
Voters are saying: "wait the Dem's wanted to forgive my student loans and have universal healthcare, Trump is offering to pay everyone 5k if they vote for Republicans to show how bad the Dem's are. Geez, the Dem's suck. Trump really flipped the narrative". Yeah, that is what everyone was saying at the gas station today...
Well, we know the sky in your world is not blue.
Don't be a tool. I know you prefer your Jeb! republicans that promise and never deliver. Trump just took that page - you should be thrilled.
Waco1947 said:Johnny Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Guy Noir said:
I bilieve we need to balance the Federal budget. We currently have a $40T debt. I see a $50T debt on the near horizon.
100%, but neither party has the balls to do it.
The Democrats love to chirp about it when there is a Republican administration while promising more goodies to voters.
Democrats do a much better job on the budget than republicans.
No one has been as reckless as Trump. 1/3 of the 40T deficit has happened on his watch.
Both parties suck as far as the budget goes. The Republicans at least have the excuse that they perpetually have to spend crazy $$ rebuilding the military that the dumocrats perpetually devastate when they're in power.
The bigger budget problem isn't actually defense.
This is the really important point.
The federal deficit is projected at $1.9 trillion in 2026, with debt held by the public around 101% of GDP. CBO says the long-term growth in spending is being driven heavily by mandatory programs and net interest.
Both parties have been irresponsible with the budget. Republicans have generally been more willing to spend heavily on defense, while Democrats have generally been more willing to expand domestic programs. But neither party has consistently been fiscally responsible, and the biggest long-term problem isn't defense spendingit's the combination of entitlement spending, other mandatory spending, and interest on the debt." than discretionary defense spending.
There is simply no political will to hold Congress fiscally responsible., both Dem and GOP
Solve the two easiest problems first: take $1 trillion a year out of military spending and apply it to interest on the debt. Then we can deal with the larger issue of mandatory spending.
I rather do none, kamala.harris
Meh, democrats crossed that line decades ago. I only have a problem with it if he actually does it.Waco1947 said:
$5,000 to each citizen if GOP wins. That sounds illegal to me.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?
GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:Mitch Blood Green said:
Trump has no authority to pay $5,000 per person besides, he doesn't pay his bills. You're a fool if you believe this will happen.
Two things:
1. Correct. Trump does not have the ability as President to do this . . . which is why he wants people to elect a complete Republican Congress.
2. Media. The point of this stunt is not to give out $5,000, it is to get free news headlines and to flip the Democrat's script. You now have a party that has done nothing but promise freebies for the past 60 years now coming out against freebies.
Yeah, that is how it is being received... Not Trump buying votes.
Voters are saying: "wait the Dem's wanted to forgive my student loans and have universal healthcare, Trump is offering to pay everyone 5k if they vote for Republicans to show how bad the Dem's are. Geez, the Dem's suck. Trump really flipped the narrative". Yeah, that is what everyone was saying at the gas station today...
Well, we know the sky in your world is not blue.
Don't be a tool. I know you prefer your Jeb! republicans that promise and never deliver. Trump just took that page - you should be thrilled.
Don't get on me, you came up with the f-ed up logic that he just made some major tactical coup by getting everyone to understand it really is about the Democrats. Really?
So, we should be happy? We have a President that represents all the bad of the past...
The likability of Nixon, with the economics of Carter, the war mongering of "W", the disingenuousness of Obama, the morals of Clinton and the incoherence of Biden. What a guy... Aren't we lucky?
By the way, Jeb was not President and did a good job as Governor of Florida. Not sure what Jeb didn't deliver on. Or was that a cryptic play to point out that Obama was bad???
Ok, sorry. I will stop being a tool.
Danielsjackson114 said:
Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?
Another "whatabout" post defending Trump. Is that all you've got?
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
LMAO it happened bozo the clown
Promising voters "free" things isnt anything new
Promising voters "free" things isnt anything new
Danielsjackson114 said:
LMAO it happened bozo the clown
Promising voters "free" things isnt anything new
Is it possible for you to respond to anyone without name calling? You should give it a try. People might take you a little more seriously.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!