cms186 said:
contrario said:
cms186 said:
contrario said:
I can't make policy decisions based on feelings. Can you please provide a reason? Catholics have a reason they feel the way about when life begins, you may disagree with it, but it is more than just a "feeling". Personally, I feel we can call it human when it resembles a human, it has a heart beat and active brain function. This is more than just a "feeling", it is science. What changes from the last day of the first trimester to the first day of the 2nd trimester that is significant in your mind?
how many different ways do you want me to answer this question, if you arent happy with my answer, thats fine, but im not suddenly going to provide a different one just because you keep asking the same question using a different method.
Ok, so we are just going to have discussions and make policy based on feelings now. No support for those feelings are needed, the feelings are enough. Great. What if one's feelings are incongruent with another's, what do we do then? What if one's feelings are contradictory to science or reason, what do we do then?
What do you call terminating a life one day after birth? Murder. So what is different than terminating a life one day before birth? Again, you said you never call an abortion murder, so I'm just trying to determine where we draw the line. Because as a society, we have to define these things for the good of society. Most people would he appalled if a one day old baby was terminated and it would he called a murder. Even though your feelings tell you late term abortions should not be permitted (for some obscure unknown reason), yet you don't call any abortions murder. So what happens in the hours and minutes before birth and the hours and minutes after birth that you can distinguish between the two situations and call one simply an abortion and the other one murder?
Its a clearly stated Legal definition, it is not mine, this is not complicated
And legal definitions change over time and differ from country to country and jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
There was a time that the laws in the US were racist and did not treat African Americans as equal citizens; are you ok with the argument that the laws that were on the books at the time clearly "defined" what percentage of human African Americans were? Because I wouldn't be ok with that argument, and thankfully, thousands of Americans at the time were not ok with sticking to the legal definition of the time.
As citizens, it is our duty to make sure we have laws that provide justice for all in order to maintain a civilized society. So, regardless of the laws that are on the books and how the law defines it, do you think there is a difference between terminating a life one day after birth (murder by every reasonable person) and terminating a life one day before birth (not considered murder according to you)? If there is a difference, what is the difference?