Waco1947 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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bularry said:

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I guess a desperate woman seeking an abortion is not my definition of evil

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And if there's one thing we know about human nature, it's that desperation never drives us to evil acts.

Seriously, though, this is why we punish the abortionists and not the women.

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That's nonsensical reasoning. The abortionist is simply the hot man if one follows your understanding of "human."

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If someone's understanding of human does not include Jews and blacks, it does not make gas chambers and slavery acceptable, it makes the person wrong. The state of being human or not does not reside in individual opinion. Jews are either human or they are not. Blacks are either human or they are not. This is independent of any individual's view of Jews or blacks.

Waco1947 said:

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I ask "Conception = Life = Human? Is this equation right? Think carefully."
I did not say "Convince me."
Now, if the equation is right, does a pro life person 1,000 humans or one 5 yr old.

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Sigh.

Does a pro-abortion person choose 2 humans or one 5 yr old.

You already answered that you'd save one instead of 2. And that doesn't negate the value or personhood of the two, nor does it mean they aren't "alive".

You defeated your own analogy, long after it had already crumbled on it's own. You really should move on.

Unfortunately you talk in circles Sam

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Unfortunately you talk in circles Sam

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I'm just following where you lead. Do you not have empathy for women in difficult situations who choose to abort?

Waco1947 said:

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Unfortunately you talk in circles Sam

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At least he can write legibly

More than can be said of yours, especially as day goes on and then turns to night usually

I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

Doc Holliday said:

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I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

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Too bad the aborted can't speak, huh?

Does it ever cross you guys that the same people telling you there are 72 genders are advocating for abortion on the basis of science?

That the same people that talk about the morality at the Mexican border are the same people killing babies?

If someone was "brain dead" in a coma...would you kill them? Knowing for a fact that if you just wait 3 weeks they are going to be fully functional?

Why would a bacteria be considered life on mars but a heartbeat not considered life on earth?

How about if I put it this way to you:

No one is coming after your abortions...we just want common sense abortion control. Sound familiar?

Doc Holliday said:

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Does it ever cross you guys that the same people telling you there are 72 genders are advocating for abortion on the basis of science?

That the same people that talk about the morality at the Mexican border are the same people killing babies?

If someone was "brain dead" in a coma...would you kill them? Knowing for a fact that if you just wait 3 weeks they are going to be fully functional?

Why would a bacteria be considered life on mars but a heartbeat not considered life on earth?

How about if I put it this way to you:

Don't worry lefties, no one is coming after your abortions...we just want common sense abortion control. Sound familiar?

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So much win in one post

Odd how the left will consider micro endosymbiont organisms like bacteria alive but an organism living inside a womb with a brain and heartbeat is not alive because at that moment it needs its environment to survive and and there is no issue destroying it.

Add that to the fact there at least here in Austin if you try to build a road and the construction crew discovers a cave that has microscopic blind cave beetles in it everything must halt - because their existence is too important. You will have protesters strapping themselves to bulldozers to prevent the destruction of those beetles. The disconnect from reality with these people is unreal.

CSIBear said:

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Odd how the left will consider micro endosymbiont organisms like bacteria alive but an organism living inside a womb with a brain and heartbeat is not alive because at that moment it needs its environment to survive and and there is no issue destroying it.

Add that to the fact there at least here in Austin if you try to build a road and the construction crew discovers a cave that has microscopic blind cave beetles in it everything must halt - because their existence is too important. You will have protesters strapping themselves to bulldozers to prevent the destruction of those beetles. The disconnect from reality with these people is unreal.

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Also, keep in mind it is a violation of federal law to destroy fertilized eggs (unborn babies) of certain protected species. And even some unfertilized eggs of some species are protected. It's really amazing when you put everything into context how science applies in some circumstances but completely ignored in others.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Does it ever cross you guys that the same people telling you there are 72 genders are advocating for abortion on the basis of science?

That the same people that talk about the morality at the Mexican border are the same people killing babies?

If someone was "brain dead" in a coma...would you kill them? Knowing for a fact that if you just wait 3 weeks they are going to be fully functional?

Why would a bacteria be considered life on mars but a heartbeat not considered life on earth?

How about if I put it this way to you:

Don't worry lefties, no one is coming after your abortions...we just want common sense abortion control. Sound familiar?

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So much win in one post

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How to win debates and arguments and ultimately arrive at the best conclusion and honest to god truth.

Number one, seek the full and absolute truth...even if you hate it.
Then point out the hypocrisy of others and make them confront it.

They have 3 options at that point:

1.) Change their mind.

2.) Alter their endorsement on other subjects that makes their stance hypocritical.

3.) Be hypocritical ----> develop cognitive dissonance---> come unglued.

Most people choose option 3.
Option 2 is a death spiral.
Option 1 is very rare.

Doc Holliday said:

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CSIBear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Does it ever cross you guys that the same people telling you there are 72 genders are advocating for abortion on the basis of science?

That the same people that talk about the morality at the Mexican border are the same people killing babies?

If someone was "brain dead" in a coma...would you kill them? Knowing for a fact that if you just wait 3 weeks they are going to be fully functional?

Why would a bacteria be considered life on mars but a heartbeat not considered life on earth?

How about if I put it this way to you:

Don't worry lefties, no one is coming after your abortions...we just want common sense abortion control. Sound familiar?

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So much win in one post

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How to win debates and arguments and ultimately arrive at the best conclusion and honest to god truth.

Number one, seek the full and absolute truth...even if you hate it.
Then point out the hypocrisy of others and make them confront it.

They have 3 options at that point:

1.) Change their mind.

2.) Alter their endorsement on other subjects that makes their stance hypocritical.

3.) Be hypocritical ----> develop cognitive dissonance---> come unglued.

Most people choose option 3.
Option 2 is a death spiral.
Option 1 is very rare.

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I am glad you have confronted the truth about yourself

Florda_mike said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

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Too bad the aborted can't speak, huh?

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. The aborted do not know that they were aborted

Doc Holliday said:

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Does it ever cross you guys that the same people telling you there are 72 genders are advocating for abortion on the basis of science? ((((((No it does not cross our minds bececause we do NOT advocate for abortions. )))))))))

That the same people that talk about the morality at the Mexican border are the same people killing babies? (((((((We are NOT "killing babies" but in your thinking pro choice people are killling babies in which cas you save 5,0000 babies (as embryos) and let the the 5 yr old die. It's anumbers game. ))))))

If someone was "brain dead" in a coma...would you kill them? Knowing for a fact that if you just wait 3 weeks they are going to be fully functional?(((((((Too many factors in play to make a decision. You are being morally deceptive which is morally wrong. You think you're clever. You're not. )))))))

Why would a bacteria be considered life on mars but a heartbeat not considered life on earth?

How about if I put it this way to you:

No one is coming after your abortions...we just want common sense abortion control. Sound familiar?

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. Apples and oranges. Different definitions of "life" on Mars and inuterine ))))))))))))

You never answered Contrario, did you?

Waco1947 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

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Too bad the aborted can't speak, huh?

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. The aborted do not know that they were aborted

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But God knows

Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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there is no 1:22

fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

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Too bad the aborted can't speak, huh?

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. The aborted do not know that they were aborted

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But God knows

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And?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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You never answered Contrario, did you?

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Refresh my memory please

fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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So your daughter comes to you "Dad, I had an abortion. I know you are against it. Do you hate me? Am I baby killer?"

Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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So your daughter comes to you "Dad, I had an abortion. I know you are against it. Do you hate me? Am I baby killer?"

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No.
Yes.

Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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So your daughter comes to you "Dad, I had an abortion. I know you are against it. Do you hate me? Am I baby killer?"

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My bad...Exodus 1:22

And she didn't...my daughter waited until marriage to have sex

Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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So your daughter comes to you "Dad, I had an abortion. I know you are against it. Do you hate me? Am I baby killer?"

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No and yes.

Again, where's the empathy? Why does someone's doing wrong mean you have to hate them?

Waco1947 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

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Too bad the aborted can't speak, huh?

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. The aborted do not know that they were aborted

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The unconscious don't know that they were murdered. Or sexually assaulted.

You cool with sexually assaulting unconscious people?

Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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So your daughter comes to you "Dad, I had an abortion. I know you are against it. Do you hate me? Am I baby killer?"

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Why are you injecting "hate"? Are you saying you can't think someone is committing sin without also hating them? Bizarre.

Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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So your daughter comes to you "Dad, I had an abortion. I know you are against it. Do you hate me? Am I baby killer?"

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no

yes

fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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So your daughter comes to you "Dad, I had an abortion. I know you are against it. Do you hate me? Am I baby killer?"

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My bad...Exodus 1:22

And she didn't...my daughter waited until marriage to have sex

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. Immaterial It's a hypothetical. And the day is coming when she treads on one of your sacred beliefs and you have to choose principle or love.
Now if you could apply that hypothetical to all humankind you might make progress

bearassnekkid said:

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Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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So your daughter comes to you "Dad, I had an abortion. I know you are against it. Do you hate me? Am I baby killer?"

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Why are you injecting "hate"? Are you saying you can't think someone ios committing sin without also hating them? Bizarre.

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. Because the word has been used against me. So if your daughter aborts it means to her you hate her. Don't dodge. It's tough when it's personal. Now answer the question.

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Waco1947 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

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Too bad the aborted can't speak, huh?

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The unconscious don't know that they were murdered. Or sexually assaulted.

You cool with sexually assaulting unconscious people?

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You cool with leaving a 1,000 embryos in a burning building? You know they are unconscious people according to you and you'll let them burn to save one life.

Waco1947 said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

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Too bad the aborted can't speak, huh?

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The unconscious don't know that they were murdered. Or sexually assaulted.

You cool with sexually assaulting unconscious people?

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You cool with leaving a 1,000 embryos in a burning building? You know they are unconscious people according to you and you'll let them burn to save one life.

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You keep on repeating that hypothetical as though it has meaning.

Would you save four five-year-olds girls or four five-year-old boys from brain-eating Martians?

Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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So your daughter comes to you "Dad, I had an abortion. I know you are against it. Do you hate me? Am I baby killer?"

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My bad...Exodus 1:22

And she didn't...my daughter waited until marriage to have sex

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. Immaterial It's a hypothetical. And the day is coming when she treads on one of your sacred beliefs and you have to choose principle or love.
Now if you could apply that hypothetical to all humankind you might make progress

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Why do you use the word hate? Just because someone commits a sin, you hate them? Wow. Pharisee much?

Waco1947 said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Hey waco, is Hebrews 1:22 a form of abortion?

Is that a verse you use in counseling unwed mothers?

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So your daughter comes to you "Dad, I had an abortion. I know you are against it. Do you hate me? Am I baby killer?"

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Why are you injecting "hate"? Are you saying you can't think someone ios committing sin without also hating them? Bizarre.

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. Because the word has been used against me. So if your daughter aborts it means to her you hate her. Don't dodge. It's tough when it's personal. Now answer the question.

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There's no dodge necessary, they hypothetical contains a completely false premise (the possibility that I could hate her). Answer is easy, "No, I don't hate you. Yes, you are killing a baby."

47 is off his rocker with his silly hypotheticals.

How'bout this 47; according to your little scenario, the Christian moms of those in prison for committing murder must hate their kids. Now reality says they hate the act their kids committed but only in your warped mind do they hate their kids.

You are so worried about your distorted view of love, you have given up right, wrong and truth. You've distorted the gospel so it is easier to hear but you've neutered it in the process. The summer of love should have been a season and you made it your life. If you want to wax nostalgic, package the gospel as Campus Crusade for Christ did in that time. They didn't distort the message. They just put it in tie-die shirts and didn't cut its hair. It was still the gospel and some neutered god you created