D. C. Bear said:
NoBSU said:
Eball said:
NoBSU said:
Eball said:
NoBSU said:
YoakDaddy said:
bunation said:
Your failure to answer and defend your untruth, is the answer.................
Sam never even suited up for a practice, Bright One.
If I remember correctly, they were holding him out pending outcome of the courts.
His logic us that since SamU never practiced and never played in a game then he wasn't a football player. Crazy, right?
He counted as on a football scholarship. He was recruited as a football transfer.
YoakDaddy, this is the same as 0/0/0 by Robemcdo. They let the Dunnam filing of the emails on Elliot clear the football program of responsibility of Elliot. Then SamU doesn't count because he never player. So, the logic is 20/20 hindsight that football was spotless. Before, they claimed that the Jasmine Hernandez case was going to trial. She would be destroyed in cross ... football spotless. I couldn't even make this stuff up if I wanted to try.
What did CAB or anyone from the Football program do wrong in regard to SAM U? Did anyone aide abet a sexual assault? did anyone cover up same? If Sam U had gone to a different program which he could have and committed a sexual assault would you still fault our program for trying to sign someone who committed a sexual assault somewhere else? I don't understand how the mere fact that a BU student who happens to be a football player who commits an assault is somehow the sole responsibility of the program? CPB said they thought they would have him back because our JA dept cleared him in his Title IX hearing...they kept him off the team because of the criminal charges which logically would be harder to prove because of the evidence standard which was much more difficult beyond a reasonable doubt.
If Sam U is all the damming evidence you have to throw at the Football program it is pretty weak evidence of wrongdoing by CAB in fact some would say it amounts to no evidence.
I said two football players were convicted of rape. That is an undeniable fact.
I am not trying to damn the football program. Quit acting like an idiot.
Two convictions. That is out in the press.
Texas Monthly blows it up. ESPN piles on.
Baylor decides on an investigation. Where should they start?
Yes, they should start at the football program. BASIC COMMON SENSE!!!!
What is wrong boys? Is simple logic getting on the way of you painting this as some 2015 plot to paint football as the problem? It wasn't some premeditated conspiracy. There were plenty of reasons to look at football. The first two reasons were two football players convicted of Sexual Assault. Undeniable.
So what are you trying to say? I have to admit trying follow your posts and thoughts is difficult.
There were suits filed or claims made in regard to how BU handled victims of alleged SA...the JA was skewered in the press and by the ASST DA for its handling of Sam U. The fact that Sam and Tevin happened to be Football players was not being investigated it was BU's handling after the fact.
I am asking several of you to understand context.
I replied to posts about the PH investigation being set on football from the start. I agree. It was. It should have been. There were two convictions so the football program is obviously going to get the focus as it is in the press. This was a little less than a year before the WSJ and regent interviews with DMN and CBS. At that time for an investigation football was the realistic focus. Bunation is doing the Bobby Ewing defense - It was all a bad dream and now we wake up and it all goes away. You and others go thru the whole history and your personal conclusion when my point in reply to why PH focused on football is that it should have.
You have forgotten something important. Baylor had an internal investigation before they hired Pepper Hamilton, and Pepper Hamilton was hired to look at the entire university. This may have been because Baylor's first investigation showed that the problems on campus went so far beyond football that an outside investigation was called for, or maybe things in football were so bad that Baylor was incapable of investigating the problem itself as it had done with the Bliss fiasco. Hard to know one way or another without actual transparency from the institution. Nevertheless, either Pepper Hamilton was hired to do what Baylor said they were hired to do, or they were hired to do what you said they were hired to do. I'm not in a position to know which is correct.
Nope. Didn't forget. I think a lot of people did forget why we started investigations - SamU was convicted. For the last three years people have read posts on why we started investigations and now they think that they have it straight in their head. But some are off. It started with SamU's case and the parts of the university involved. Football is one of those offices. Title IX/JA. Athletic Department. This wasn't just a Title IX review. It wasn't just a review of the general university process. The FOF includes most of its volume to those last two. But actual sexual assaults were a target.
3.b . Has the quotes announcing the internal review. "(Starr) I called for a comprehensive internal inquiry into the circumstances associated with this case and the conduct of the various offices involved." Note Starr said this case. This is immediately after SamU was convicted. Elements of the case and conduct of the offices involved. 3.a. then announces the need for an external review of these matters and needs for continued improvement. 3. The internal review of SamU actions and LF says PH will review that report before any decision to make it public. 2. PH was hired two weeks after SamU convicted and after reviewing internal report. 1. PH "to conduct a thorough and independent external investigation into the university's handling of cases of alleged sexual violence."
https://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher_education/baylor-hires-philadelphia-firm-to-investigate-sexual-assault-cases/article_e1db4a63-aa27-533a-a4f5-e9ca4f71c5ce.html1. 9/2/15 "Baylor University's Board of Regents announced today that they have retained the services of the Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton LLP, to conduct a thorough and independent external investigation into the university's handling of cases of alleged sexual violence. The investigation will be led by partners Gina Maisto Smith and Leslie Gomez, well-recognized experts in the institutional response to all aspects of sexual misconduct matters."
2. "The decision to hire the firm comes two weeks after a 54th State District Court jury
convicted former Baylor defensive end Sam Ukwuachu of sexually assaulting a former Baylor soccer player in October 2013 and granted his plea for probation."
3. "After Ukwuachu's conviction,
Starr tapped Baylor law professor Jeremy Counseller to conduct an
internal inquiry into how Baylor handled the allegations.
He
finished his report Friday, but Baylor spokeswoman Lori Fogleman said Baylor wants Smith and Gomez to have a chance to review Counseller's report before the school determines whether it will be made public."
3.a.
https://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher_education/baylor-to-initiate-independent-inquiry-into-handling-of-ukwuachu-sex/article_dc37f4ba-cf66-5fb6-b37a-2061455e45b5.htmlLast week, Starr
announced that he had asked Baylor law professor Jeremy Counseller, the faculty athletics representative, to conduct an
internal inquiry into how Baylor handled the Ukwuachu accusations.
"We must guarantee there is no room at Baylor University for those who would perpetrate sexual violence on our campus," Starr said in a statement released at 7 p.m. Friday.
"After reviewing the results of his internal inquiry, I am recommending that our board of regents retain the services of outside counsel to investigate thoroughly these matters and recommend continued improvements."
3.b.
https://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher_education/statement-from-baylor-president-ken-starr/article_98a6d552-4864-11e5-89ef-2b8609010a51.html"After consulting with the Baylor Board of Regents, the Executive Council and our academic leadership, this afternoon I called for a comprehensive internal inquiry into the circumstances associated with this case and the conduct of the various offices involved. The inquiry will be led by Jeremy Counseller, Professor of Law at Baylor Law School, Baylor's Faculty Athletics Representative to the Big 12 Conference and NCAA and a former Assistant District Attorney. Mr. Counseller will engage others in his review as he deems appropriate and will submit his report directly to me at the conclusion of his inquiry. After an analysis of his report, I will determine what additional action to take."
