Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President. Your President lies.

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He didn't lie to me, but you did. So that is why your lie matters more.

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President. Your President lies.

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He didn't lie to me, but you did. So that is why your lie matters more.

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Yeah your president lied to you
1) ""Healthcare for everyone and cheaper.
2). Tariffs. I never said tariffs. Well maybe steel but no tariffs "
Lies to you
Plus 5,000 more https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9e6a24b30122

Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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. I am a pastor - called by God, tested and confirmed by the UMC, ordained by the UMC and currently in good standing with my conference.

You only claim to be a 'minister'.

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

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I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

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I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

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and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

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I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

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and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

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I am also for personal freedom. But personal freedom stops once you infringe on the personal freedoms of others. Abortion terminates a life, it is the ultimate infringement on another person's personal freedom. Just because a fetus can't talk to express it's desire to life, it doesn't mean it doesn't have rights. Just like a newborn can't talk, it still has rights.

contrario said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

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I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

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and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

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I am also for personal freedom. But personal freedom stops once you infringe on the personal freedoms of others. Abortion terminates a life, it is the ultimate infringement on another person's personal freedom. Just because a fetus can't talk to express it's desire to life, it doesn't mean it doesn't have rights. Just like a newborn can't talk, it still has rights.

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Limited rights, dependent on period of gestation.

quash said:

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contrario said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

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I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

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and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

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I am also for personal freedom. But personal freedom stops once you infringe on the personal freedoms of others. Abortion terminates a life, it is the ultimate infringement on another person's personal freedom. Just because a fetus can't talk to express it's desire to life, it doesn't mean it doesn't have rights. Just like a newborn can't talk, it still has rights.

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Limited rights, dependent on period of gestation.

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Fair enough

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

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I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

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and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

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There's a big difference between considering something immoral and making something illegal. I am not advocating to make abortion illegal, but denying that most abortions happen because the woman finds pregnancy inconvenient is dishonest.

"Inconvenient fetuses" is a stupid put down of women. You have no idea of the anguish. You are blind. Try a little empathy. (Not sympathy, empathy)

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"Inconvenient fetuses" is a stupid put down of women. You have no idea of the anguish. You are blind. Try a little empathy. (Not sympathy, empathy)

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You're falling back on lies again, Waco. The overwhelming reason for abortions is because the woman simply does not want to be pregnant.

That's murder, and you know it.

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"Inconvenient fetuses" is a stupid put down of women. You have no idea of the anguish. You are blind. Try a little empathy. (Not sympathy, empathy)

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"Reproductive health" actually means the ability to birth a child. By definition abortion has nothing to do with protecting 'reproductive heath'. As for 'empathy', why don't you step down from your 'I speak for God' hypocrisy and face the terrible pain suffered by the aborted fetuses, not to mention the emotional and sometimes physical torment women undergo who have abortions? There are thousands of women who have had abortions, who now protest abortion clinics.

Why do you hate and ignore those women, Waco? Why don't you stop and consider what happened to them, that changed how they see the industry that slaughters fetuses for profit and lies to the very women you pretend they help?

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

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I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

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and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

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There's a big difference between considering something immoral and making something illegal. I am not advocating to make abortion illegal, but denying that most abortions happen because the woman finds pregnancy inconvenient is dishonest.

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Why would you say that abortion shouldn't be illegal when you argue that abortion is murder? I presume you believe that murder should be illegal.

Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Inconvenient fetuses" is a stupid put down of women. You have no idea of the anguish. You are blind. Try a little empathy. (Not sympathy, empathy)

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You're falling back on lies again, Waco. The overwhelming reason for abortions is because the woman simply does not want to be pregnant.

That's murder, and you know it.

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Of course it's murder....the vast majority of the time merely for convenience.

Today...abortion.
Tomorrow...'assisted ' suicide ( kill off the old )
Lastly.....kill off the impaired .

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

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I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

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and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

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There's a big difference between considering something immoral and making something illegal. I am not advocating to make abortion illegal, but denying that most abortions happen because the woman finds pregnancy inconvenient is dishonest.

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Then you have not read enough about women who have aborted. Do a deeep dive

Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Inconvenient fetuses" is a stupid put down of women. You have no idea of the anguish. You are blind. Try a little empathy. (Not sympathy, empathy)

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You're falling back on lies again, Waco. The overwhelming reason for abortions is because the woman simply does not want to be pregnant.

That's murder, and you know it.

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Of course it's murder....the vast majority of the time merely for convenience.

Today...abortion.
Tomorrow...'assisted ' suicide ( kill off the old )
Lastly.....kill off the impaired .

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That's stupid. I ain't on a slippery slope. You are. It's a poor argument

Meanwhile back to explosive devices. Trump's words matter and the American people are seeing it and you are on a losing track to keep supporting an immoral man. The American people who might like Trump's policies and their paychecks are seeing the hate that they support

Fella....you seriously need to get off the 'minister' angle.

That or learn proper grammar.

bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

---

I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

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and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

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There's a big difference between considering something immoral and making something illegal. I am not advocating to make abortion illegal, but denying that most abortions happen because the woman finds pregnancy inconvenient is dishonest.

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Why would you say that abortion shouldn't be illegal when you argue that abortion is murder? I presume you believe that murder should be illegal.

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People do a lot of immoral things which the law allows. I accept that as part of the world in which we live. And there are occasions where someone does an immoral thing but gets away with it under the law, which makes it something that person must reconcile with God.

A minister - the real ones, anyway - would not pretend a deadly sin is condoned by God.

Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

---

I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

---

and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

---

There's a big difference between considering something immoral and making something illegal. I am not advocating to make abortion illegal, but denying that most abortions happen because the woman finds pregnancy inconvenient is dishonest.

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Why would you say that abortion shouldn't be illegal when you argue that abortion is murder? I presume you believe that murder should be illegal.

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People do a lot of immoral things which the law allows. I accept that as part of the world in which we live. And there are occasions where someone does an immoral thing but gets away with it under the law, which makes it something that person must reconcile with God.

A minister - the real ones, anyway - would not pretend a deadly sin is condoned by God.

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If it's murder, should it be illegal?

bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

---

I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

---

and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

---

There's a big difference between considering something immoral and making something illegal. I am not advocating to make abortion illegal, but denying that most abortions happen because the woman finds pregnancy inconvenient is dishonest.

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Why would you say that abortion shouldn't be illegal when you argue that abortion is murder? I presume you believe that murder should be illegal.

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People do a lot of immoral things which the law allows. I accept that as part of the world in which we live. And there are occasions where someone does an immoral thing but gets away with it under the law, which makes it something that person must reconcile with God.

A minister - the real ones, anyway - would not pretend a deadly sin is condoned by God.

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If it's murder, should it be illegal?

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re-read my answer, bubba. You quoted it, so surely you know where to find it.

Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

---

I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

---

and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

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There's a big difference between considering something immoral and making something illegal. I am not advocating to make abortion illegal, but denying that most abortions happen because the woman finds pregnancy inconvenient is dishonest.

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Then you have not read enough about women who have aborted. Do a deeep dive

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I did. I notice you ducked the fact that there are thousands of women who had abortions, who now protest against abortions.

Why don't you talk to those women? Why do you ignore their experience and testimony?

Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

---

I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

---

and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

---

There's a big difference between considering something immoral and making something illegal. I am not advocating to make abortion illegal, but denying that most abortions happen because the woman finds pregnancy inconvenient is dishonest.

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Why would you say that abortion shouldn't be illegal when you argue that abortion is murder? I presume you believe that murder should be illegal.

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People do a lot of immoral things which the law allows. I accept that as part of the world in which we live. And there are occasions where someone does an immoral thing but gets away with it under the law, which makes it something that person must reconcile with God.

A minister - the real ones, anyway - would not pretend a deadly sin is condoned by God.

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If it's murder, should it be illegal?

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re-read my answer, bubba. You quoted it, so surely you know where to find it.

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I quoted your answer earlier: "I am not advocating to make abortion illegal."

bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

---

I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

---

and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

---

There's a big difference between considering something immoral and making something illegal. I am not advocating to make abortion illegal, but denying that most abortions happen because the woman finds pregnancy inconvenient is dishonest.

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Why would you say that abortion shouldn't be illegal when you argue that abortion is murder? I presume you believe that murder should be illegal.

---

People do a lot of immoral things which the law allows. I accept that as part of the world in which we live. And there are occasions where someone does an immoral thing but gets away with it under the law, which makes it something that person must reconcile with God.

A minister - the real ones, anyway - would not pretend a deadly sin is condoned by God.

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If it's murder, should it be illegal?

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re-read my answer, bubba. You quoted it, so surely you know where to find it.

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I quoted your answer earlier: "I am not advocating to make abortion illegal."

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So far, so good. Now read what I wrote after, and apply context.

I know you can do it!

Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Trump lies. This is not debatable. I can offer at least a thousand examples.

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You lie all the time, Waco. And since you lie to us, that's more pertinent.

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So I lie but I am not President.

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You only claim to be a 'minister'.

---

I happen to know that he is a minister. In the United Methodist Church, retired ministers frequently serve as part-time associate pastors with specific roles, such as visitation of the sick and homebound.

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and, it would seem, advocacy of murdering inconvenient fetuses.

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I'm never going to have an abortion. I'm never going to marry a man. I think chiropractic is not medicine. Nor are crystals and Dr. Oz. I've never done illegal drugs, though I really, really want to have an acid trip and I want to try marijuana without fear of arrest or job loss.

I also think all of those things should be legal and responsibly exercised. Being for increased freedom does not make a person responsible for the things that people do irresponsibly when they get that freedom.

---

There's a big difference between considering something immoral and making something illegal. I am not advocating to make abortion illegal, but denying that most abortions happen because the woman finds pregnancy inconvenient is dishonest.

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Why would you say that abortion shouldn't be illegal when you argue that abortion is murder? I presume you believe that murder should be illegal.

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People do a lot of immoral things which the law allows. I accept that as part of the world in which we live. And there are occasions where someone does an immoral thing but gets away with it under the law, which makes it something that person must reconcile with God.

A minister - the real ones, anyway - would not pretend a deadly sin is condoned by God.

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If it's murder, should it be illegal?

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re-read my answer, bubba. You quoted it, so surely you know where to find it.

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I quoted your answer earlier: "I am not advocating to make abortion illegal."

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So far, so good. Now read what I wrote after, and apply context.

I know you can do it!

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Murder is illegal.

If you think abortion should not be illegal, then you think that abortion is something that doesn't rise to the level of murder under the law.

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bubbadog said:

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bubbadog said:

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bubbadog said:

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Why would you say that abortion shouldn't be illegal when you argue that abortion is murder? I presume you believe that murder should be illegal.

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People do a lot of immoral things which the law allows. I accept that as part of the world in which we live. And there are occasions where someone does an immoral thing but gets away with it under the law, which makes it something that person must reconcile with God.

A minister - the real ones, anyway - would not pretend a deadly sin is condoned by God.

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If it's murder, should it be illegal?

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re-read my answer, bubba. You quoted it, so surely you know where to find it.

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I quoted your answer earlier: "I am not advocating to make abortion illegal."

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So far, so good. Now read what I wrote after, and apply context.

I know you can do it!

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Murder is illegal.

If you think abortion should not be illegal, then you think that abortion is something that doesn't rise to the level of murder under the law.

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Translation - you don't like my point, so you fall back on semantics, hoping to back your way to safe ground.

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Why would you say that abortion shouldn't be illegal when you argue that abortion is murder? I presume you believe that murder should be illegal.

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People do a lot of immoral things which the law allows. I accept that as part of the world in which we live. And there are occasions where someone does an immoral thing but gets away with it under the law, which makes it something that person must reconcile with God.

A minister - the real ones, anyway - would not pretend a deadly sin is condoned by God.

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If it's murder, should it be illegal?

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re-read my answer, bubba. You quoted it, so surely you know where to find it.

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I quoted your answer earlier: "I am not advocating to make abortion illegal."

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So far, so good. Now read what I wrote after, and apply context.

I know you can do it!

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Murder is illegal.

If you think abortion should not be illegal, then you think that abortion is something that doesn't rise to the level of murder under the law.

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Translation - you don't like my point, so you fall back on semantics, hoping to back your way to safe ground.

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This is not a semantic argument. Murder means what it means. As you say, the law does allow people to do certain immoral things. It does not allow murder. Is abortion murder, or is it not?

Thousands? You're source?

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There is really no question a leftist sent all these. Just like all the fake race hoaxes, these, taken together, are all FAR too stereotyped to be legitimate. Add that even the return address was a d pol and it's just absurd. Like the race hoaxes, it hits too many tropes dead center to be taken seriously.

The final nail is the proximity to the elections. No one with the wherewithal to manufacture a working bomb would do so in this manner if they were intent on leftists losing power. These people are all already out of power. And if you'd wanted to hurt anyone, you wouldn't send them to the handful of addresses and people who have virtually all mail go through extra screening.

Fake. Designed to help d candidates in mid terms. 100%.

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Awesome! Solved by the internet!

Who needs an FBI when we got this!?!?

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Logic and reason frighten and amaze you, I see. I've been wrong once, but it's been a long time since then.

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Golem wrong a second time? Impossible.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/cesar-sayoc-know-package-bomb-suspect-now-custody-165504880--abc-news-topstories.html

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bubbadog said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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bubbadog said:

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Why would you say that abortion shouldn't be illegal when you argue that abortion is murder? I presume you believe that murder should be illegal.

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People do a lot of immoral things which the law allows. I accept that as part of the world in which we live. And there are occasions where someone does an immoral thing but gets away with it under the law, which makes it something that person must reconcile with God.

A minister - the real ones, anyway - would not pretend a deadly sin is condoned by God.

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If it's murder, should it be illegal?

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re-read my answer, bubba. You quoted it, so surely you know where to find it.

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I quoted your answer earlier: "I am not advocating to make abortion illegal."

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So far, so good. Now read what I wrote after, and apply context.

I know you can do it!

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Murder is illegal.

If you think abortion should not be illegal, then you think that abortion is something that doesn't rise to the level of murder under the law.

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Translation - you don't like my point, so you fall back on semantics, hoping to back your way to safe ground.

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This is not a semantic argument. Murder means what it means. As you say, the law does allow people to do certain immoral things. It does not allow murder. Is abortion murder, or is it not?

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You keep ignoring the context, so yes, you'r still playing semantics.

By yourself.

In the dark.