Waco1947 said:
Here's the idea. Feedback on ideas would be helpful
"According to Whitehead 2nd grade is inanimate objects I.e. rocks, cars, mountains, just being there unless acted upon by beings Again God has nothing to do with moving these thing, not in the OT and in the NT. (Certainly the witnesses of the Bible saw God moving things around but that was to engender faith not his power but in hearts. Amazement is not faith. God knew that Faith is reliance on God). So God does act in love with souls and hearts but not on Grade 1 & 2 objects.
The "God that acts on things" is a cosmology - a worldview of the Bible writers. But our cosmology, especially physics has advanced. Sure God inspires scripture but God inspires. Faith understandings in our abilities, our relationships, and in our life. God does act on hearts and souls."
47, I continue to read your posts. Several times I have constructed responses only to delete because I have a hard time believing you want my feedback.
You have made a decision that you trust Whitehead more than Scripture. I do not. I trust Scripture more than Whitehead. We are two skew lines.
You bring up God and hurricanes. You use physics as the final authority that God has nothing to do with hurricanes, your and Whitehead's view of reality.
I will start with 1 as the highest grade of reality.
1. God is a self existent person, free, in need of nothing having an infinite number of attributes of which we can never comprehend; but yet, we can know Him For God is a person who reveals himself to us. God existed alone before creating other personal beings. God is radically Spirit and non-physical, not made up of constituent particles of Whitehead's grade 1 or 2 realities.
2. Before the creation of what you call reality, God created a myriad of spiritual beings, persons (having a personality and free will) and having a body we are not able to determine because their bodies are not made of the constituent particles of Whitehead's grade 1 and 2 reality. The purpose of these spiritual beings is (present tense intended) to humble themselves before God and to give God all the glory. Yet in pride, one of these spiritual beings, being filled with pride, rebelled against God at some point before the creation of what you call reality. One of these spiritual beings, of its free will filled with pride rather than humility chose to exalt itself over its maker.
3. God: YHWH, Father, Son, Spirit, chose to create the physical realm, or grade 3, reality of which we are apart. This reality was perfect and consistent with the character of God. None of this creation had free will; but rather follows the laws of physics which are ordinances of God for creation.
So God is in the hurricane in the sense that the hurricane is a result of the constituent particles and interactions of this 3rd grade reality.
But unlike the deists who embrace an omnipotent god but not an eminent god, this God: YHWH, Father, Son, and Spirt, choses to make Himself known to those of us in this 3rd grade reality which he also created as a 4th grade reality with a mix of the spiritual realties of grade 1, grade 2, and grade 3 reality explained above.
47, and others, what are your thoughts about my proposed 4 grades of reality.