contrario said:
BrooksBearLives said:
contrario said:
This is exhausting. BBL thinks there isn't a deal that was made and nothing new came out of the tariffs threat. Doc, 83 and others think this is a groundbreaking deal and huge strides were made. The truth is somewhere in the middle and both sides are too hard-headed, or ignorant, to admit that.
I'm begging for details. I've been searching everywhere for something and finding nothing.
This is the closest I've found.
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The Trump administration has been trying to pressure Mexico to enter into a "safe third country" agreement, which would deem Mexico a safe place for migrants and make it harder for asylum seekers who pass through the country to wait until they reach American soil to file a claim.
But the deal announced Friday made no mention of the issue.
A senior administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity to share details of closed-door talks, said Mexico had expressed openness to the idea during negotiations, and said the two countries would continue to discuss the issue over the coming months.
Mexico has been insistent that it has not agreed to the provision, which would require approval from local lawmakers.
Instead, Ebrard said during a press conference in Mexico City Monday, if the deal announced Friday does not begin to drive down migrant numbers in the next 45 days, officials will open up new discussions in which the U.S. will again push for the safe third country measure and Mexico will propose establishing a regional refuge system in conjunction with the United Nations and the governments of Guatemala, Panama and Brazil three countries that are often starting points for migrants headed to the U.S.
"They wanted something else totally different ... to be signed," Ebrard said Monday. "But that is what there is here. There is no other thing." As for Trump's tweets hyping a secret measure? Ebrard said he'd provided a full account for transparency's sake.
Mexico fears that being designated a safe third country would only add to the number of asylum applications it receives. Those numbers have climbed dramatically in recent years and the government has admitted it does not have the resources to keep up.
As a practical matter, Mexico would have difficulty integrating thousands of additional migrants into a barely growing economy, making them targets to expand the ranks of Mexican organized crime groups.
Over the weekend, Trump also claimed another new element of the deal, tweeting that Mexico had "AGREED TO IMMEDIATELY BEGIN BUYING LARGE QUANTITIES OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCT FROM OUR GREAT PATRIOT FARMERS!" The administration has yet to reveal the details of any such provision, and Mexican officials say no agreement on farm goods was reached as part of the talks.
Ebrard told reporters the talks had focused on migration, not commerce, and hypothesized that Trump was calculating an economic boost resulting from his decision not to implement the tariffs.
"We do not have a specific agreement on products of that nature," he said.
This is from the AP. They're non-political.
https://www.apnews.com/7bedd8e672dd4f6ca3ffe2b3fd78fe0f
And here's Trump waiving the "secret deal" on a piece of paper.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-repeatedly-flashes-piece-paper-claims-part-secret/story?id=63639120
And, of course, the stable genius waived the secret deal that he said HAD TO REMAIN SECRET in public, aaaaand people have already hacked the picture and read it.
Nothing new.
What's new is that Mexico didn't appear to be in a big hurry to follow through on what they agreed to. That doesn't mean they were pulling out (which is what you keep saying people are saying, but no one has said that), but it does mean they were dragging their feet. Was anything new agreed to? We may never know all the details, but there were probably some modifications or new terms added. But the bigger issue is that it got Mexico to stop dragging its feet on what they agreed to. Is that ground breaking? Probably not. Is it more than nothing? Absolutely. So the truth is in the middle.
And of course Trump (and by default, his followers) is going to make this out to be a huge deal; bigger than it actually is. But that's what politicians do. I'm not sure why you are drawing the line in the sand regarding a politician exaggerating an accomplishment, unless, of course, you are going to start doing this with every politician, Republican or Democrat, that does this. If that's the route you are going to take, more power to you, that sounds exhausting. But that's what you'll need to do in the name of being consistent. Otherwise you are just a binary with too much time on your hands.
There is no proof Mexico was dragging their feet.
As more information is coming out, what
really happened was that Trump did what he is known for doing. He sent other people to negotiate. They come back with a deal. He doesn't pay attention to the deal. Then he finally has someone point out what happened and he blows up and tries to change the deal. He's known for doing this:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/why-all-of-trumps-deals-are-bad.html,
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/01/donald-trump-deals-negotiation-art-of-deal-218584In this case, the deal that was agreed to, was the current deal
without the Safe 3rd Party Country deal. That's what he was wanting to do with the tariffs -which he claimed he was placing on Mexico under a rule that covers national security (which this clearly wasn't. No president/country before has used this trade rule to punish non trade infractions). So he made his threat. It
clearly backfired between the weak May Jobs report and Republican Senators in revolt and he backed off, claiming victory for the original agreement.
I have sources to back this up.
Senators in revolt
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/04/trump-mexico-tariffs-senate-1353180May Jobs report:
https://www.ibtimes.com/may-jobs-report-suggests-slowing-economy-possibly-imminent-interest-rate-cut-2799272