Sam Lowry said:
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Oldbear83 said:
First off, anyone working 80 hours a week is either salaried (hint - that pays more than $800 a week) or gets overtime. So using your $10/hr analogy it would be $400 a week for regular hours plus $600 a week for overtime.
That's $52k a year for starters.
Beyond that, the idiocy of claiming someone would work 80 hours a week and never get a raise or promotion is obscenely stupid on its face.
Unless they're working more than one job.
D'you know how hard it would be to work two jobs at 40 hours each?
I don't mean working the 80 hours, but being able to get two or more different employers to coordinate on a schedule tat had no overlaps?
Of course it is. That's the point.
** sigh **
Are you being deliberately obtuse, or did you not have your coffee today?
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you know there are people who work two or more jobs. If you're seriously disputing that, I don't know what to tell you.
I'm not disputing that some people work two or more jobs. The point is what that kind of behavior means at multiple levels:
First, I have worked multiple jobs before, and my wife does that now. She works at three different facilities, so I will use that for my example here.
At one job, she works four days a week from 6 am to 2 pm (32 hours). At another, she works two shifts a week from 2-10 pm (16 hours). At the third she works 2 days, 1 shift from 6 to 2 and 1 from 2-10 (16 hours).
That comes to 64 hours a week. She'd work more if she could but it's not possible to juggle three jobs and make the time work out that way. The notion that "many" people regularly work 80+ hours a week at multiple jobs falls apart when you look at real-world conditions.
That's not to mock the working poor, but exaggeration and hyperbole do not serve them. As it happens, when I was first out of college I was a cinema manager making $15k a year and in summers I worked 80 hours a week, so I do agree that some people get into situations where they work long hours with low pay. But that condition did not last, because my work was recognized and I got promoted fast. I also learned to delegate work and so by my 4th year I was making $30k a year plus bonuses and averaged 50 hours a week.
You see, no manager uses an employee 80 hours a week if he/she can avoid it, because if the employee is good you don't want them to burn out, and if they are bad you don't want them to have that much contact with your customers and other employees. If I have a full-time employee who is working an additional full-time job, there's no way that many hours won't have an effect on their work quality, and I'm definitely going to talk with that employee. While I can't tell anyone what to do with their life, I know from experience that any good manager takes care of his good employees, so it really comes down to the employee's work ethic.
The plain fact is that the only employees who never get raises or promotions do nothing to earn them, and people who bust their butt do get noticed and do get rewarded.
Anyone saying different is telling a fairy tale.
