ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Tall folks often have an employment advantage over short people.

Attractive individuals often have an employment advantage over non attractive individuals.

Healthy individuals have an employment advantage over unhealthy individuals.

Life is unfair...extremely unfair .

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DC doesn't agree with you.

And we're saying you can easily address some of these things with stepstools and healthcare.

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DC is an intelligent individual. We don't always agree but I take his opinions seriously.

Studies have shown that tall employees have a competitive advantage over short people.
Attractive employees have a competitive advantage over unattractive employees.
Healthy employees have a competitive advantage over those with health issues .

And your previous glib response doesn't address these realities.

Life is fundamentally unfair.....extremely unfair..... disgustingly unfair.

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You are very kind.

Just FYI, despite BBL's lie to the contrary, I do not argue that tall, attractive or healthy people don't have an advantage over short, ugly or sickly people. This, however, doesn't change the fact that our society is built the notion of fundamental fairness. Our Declaration of Independence lays out the premise that all men are created equal and our Constitution lays out legal protections of that premise. Happy 4th of July.

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Are you willing to extend from 1776 "All men are created equal" to 2019?
For TJ his statement literally meant white men - not Native Americans, Slaves, Free Blacks, Women

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Do you still beat your wife?

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Canada2017 said:

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Still in San Diego monitoring an intervention target as he remains in psychiatric care.

Just read how approximately 1/3 of all the 5700 inmates of the 7 county jails are mentally ill.

The sheriff was quoted as saying the local correction system treats more mentally ill than any hospital....by far. Dozens have died over the last 2 years . Jailers are not doctors .

Meanwhile our politicians and media are in a frenzy over the care of individuals who are in the country illegally.

And THAT is not fair.

Not remotely fair.

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Still in San Diego monitoring an intervention target as he remains in psychiatric care.

Just read how approximately 1/3 of all the 5700 inmates of the 7 county jails are mentally ill.

The sheriff was quoted as saying the local correction system treats more mentally ill than any hospital....by far. Dozens have died over the last 2 years . Jailers are not doctors .

Meanwhile our politicians and media are in a frenzy over the care of individuals who are in the country illegally.

And THAT is not fair.

Not remotely fair.

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Excellent point about jails but explain what the "That" is.

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Still in San Diego monitoring an intervention target as he remains in psychiatric care.

Just read how approximately 1/3 of all the 5700 inmates of the 7 county jails are mentally ill.

The sheriff was quoted as saying the local correction system treats more mentally ill than any hospital....by far. Dozens have died over the last 2 years . Jailers are not doctors .

Meanwhile our politicians and media are in a frenzy over the care of individuals who are in the country illegally.

And THAT is not fair.

Not remotely fair.

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Excellent point about jails but explain what the "That" is.

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I might as well try to explain it to a banana plant.

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Still in San Diego monitoring an intervention target as he remains in psychiatric care.

Just read how approximately 1/3 of all the 5700 inmates of the 7 county jails are mentally ill.

The sheriff was quoted as saying the local correction system treats more mentally ill than any hospital....by far. Dozens have died over the last 2 years . Jailers are not doctors .

Meanwhile our politicians and media are in a frenzy over the care of individuals who are in the country illegally.

And THAT is not fair.

Not remotely fair.

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Excellent point about jails but explain what the "That" is.

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I might as well try to explain it to a banana plant.

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Tall folks often have an employment advantage over short people.

Attractive individuals often have an employment advantage over non attractive individuals.

Healthy individuals have an employment advantage over unhealthy individuals.

Life is unfair...extremely unfair .

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DC doesn't agree with you.

And we're saying you can easily address some of these things with stepstools and healthcare.

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DC is an intelligent individual. We don't always agree but I take his opinions seriously.

Studies have shown that tall employees have a competitive advantage over short people.
Attractive employees have a competitive advantage over unattractive employees.
Healthy employees have a competitive advantage over those with health issues .

And your previous glib response doesn't address these realities.

Life is fundamentally unfair.....extremely unfair..... disgustingly unfair.

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You are very kind.

Just FYI, despite BBL's lie to the contrary, I do not argue that tall, attractive or healthy people don't have an advantage over short, ugly or sickly people. This, however, doesn't change the fact that our society is built the notion of fundamental fairness. Our Declaration of Independence lays out the premise that all men are created equal and our Constitution lays out legal protections of that premise. Happy 4th of July.

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Are you willing to extend from 1776 "All men are created equal" to 2019?
For TJ his statement literally meant white men - not Native Americans, Slaves, Free Blacks, Women

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Do you still beat your wife?

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Do you still not know how to have a decent argument?

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Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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"Entitled expectation". Do have any proof or is this simply a straw man opinion of people.

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ATL Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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"Entitled expectation". Do have any proof or is this simply a straw man opinion of people.

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Yes.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Still in San Diego monitoring an intervention target as he remains in psychiatric care.

Just read how approximately 1/3 of all the 5700 inmates of the 7 county jails are mentally ill.

The sheriff was quoted as saying the local correction system treats more mentally ill than any hospital....by far. Dozens have died over the last 2 years . Jailers are not doctors .

Meanwhile our politicians and media are in a frenzy over the care of individuals who are in the country illegally.

And THAT is not fair.

Not remotely fair.

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Excellent point about jails but explain what the "That" is.

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I might as well try to explain it to a banana plant.

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The banana plant is not trying to twist your words, so it's ahead on that count.

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Bruce Leroy said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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"Entitled expectation". Do have any proof or is this simply a straw man opinion of people.

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Yes.

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Waco1947

Would this count as "proof" of where that opinion could be based off?

It appears to show a expectation does it not?

"he gave us a phone, he going to do more"

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Canada2017 said:

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No single monopoly on such ignorance.

Have long suspected an immense amount of Anglo inbreeding throughout deep east Texas .

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Oldbear83 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No single monopoly on such ignorance.

Have long suspected an immense amount of Anglo inbreeding throughout deep east Texas .

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But not College Station?

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Canada2017 said:

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No single monopoly on such ignorance.

Have long suspected an immense amount of Anglo inbreeding throughout deep east Texas .

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No single monopoly on such ignorance.

Have long suspected an immense amount of Anglo inbreeding throughout deep east Texas .

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Interesting concept

We lived there for 15 years and have two cases I still wonder about

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Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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"Entitled expectation". Do have any proof or is this simply a straw man opinion of people.

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Doc Holliday said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Tall folks often have an employment advantage over short people.

Attractive individuals often have an employment advantage over non attractive individuals.

Healthy individuals have an employment advantage over unhealthy individuals.

Life is unfair...extremely unfair .

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DC doesn't agree with you.

And we're saying you can easily address some of these things with stepstools and healthcare.

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DC is an intelligent individual. We don't always agree but I take his opinions seriously.

Studies have shown that tall employees have a competitive advantage over short people.
Attractive employees have a competitive advantage over unattractive employees.
Healthy employees have a competitive advantage over those with health issues .

And your previous glib response doesn't address these realities.

Life is fundamentally unfair.....extremely unfair..... disgustingly unfair.

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He's stated many times that life IS fair. And that everyone has a fair shot.

Take it up with him.

I actually agree with you. I just don't agree that it has to be that way. There are certain things that are more important indicators of success than your height, however. And they're also easier differences to bridge.

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One fact you need to understand is that there is no path to equality: there is only punishment and theft of the more successful.

That's all government offers.

How do we equalize incomes? Take from those that make more and give it to those that make less.

How do we equalize sports? Right now we're letting men compete with women. It's penalizing women for equality.

Are you willing to draw a red line or are you prepared to watch society eat itself alive on the path to equality?

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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"Entitled expectation". Do have any proof or is this simply a straw man opinion of people.

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Sadly, yes.

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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No one is arguing for absolute equality. Just a real chance at opportunity. A situation where anyone, if they're smart enough and willing to work hard, can increase their status.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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"Entitled expectation". Do have any proof or is this simply a straw man opinion of people.

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Sadly, yes.

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Prove it.

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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No one is arguing for absolute equality. Just a real chance at opportunity. A situation where anyone, if they're smart enough and willing to work hard, can increase their status.

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We have a situation where anyone who is smart enough and willing to work hard can increase their status.

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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"Entitled expectation". Do have any proof or is this simply a straw man opinion of people.

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Sadly, yes.

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Prove it.

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"I tried hard, why didn't you give me an A?"
How old are you? If you are of a certain cohort, you will have seen it for yourself.

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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No one is arguing for absolute equality. Just a real chance at opportunity. A situation where anyone, if they're smart enough and willing to work hard, can increase their status.

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We have a situation where anyone who is smart enough and willing to work hard can increase their status.

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Canada2017 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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No one is arguing for absolute equality. Just a real chance at opportunity. A situation where anyone, if they're smart enough and willing to work hard, can increase their status.

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We have a situation where anyone who is smart enough and willing to work hard can increase their status.

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True....within reason.

One must also avoid the numerous pitfalls common in today's culture: alcoholism, drug addiction, obesity, tobacco, gambling, premature parenthood, STD's and AID's.

One also must have a certain amount of luck...in who you marry, avoiding crippling accidents , unavoidable Heath issues, random acts of violence and mental degeneration.

Life is all a crapshoot and rarely fair .

Or as a cardiologist once sadly told me years ago.......

' Some folks are just unlucky '

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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"Entitled expectation". Do have any proof or is this simply a straw man opinion of people.

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Sadly, yes.

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Prove it.

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"I tried hard, why didn't you give me an A?"
How old are you? If you are of a certain cohort, you will have seen it for yourself.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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No one is arguing for absolute equality. Just a real chance at opportunity. A situation where anyone, if they're smart enough and willing to work hard, can increase their status.

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We have a situation where anyone who is smart enough and willing to work hard can increase their status.

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The stats -and at this point I've given a dozen examples- show that not to be true.

Either show proof it is, or stop clogging the feed. I've had enough of your opinions based on your feelings and nothing else.

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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No one is arguing for absolute equality. Just a real chance at opportunity. A situation where anyone, if they're smart enough and willing to work hard, can increase their status.

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We have a situation where anyone who is smart enough and willing to work hard can increase their status.

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The stats -and at this point I've given a dozen examples- show that not to be true.

Either show proof it is, or stop clogging the feed. I've had enough of your opinions based on your feelings and nothing else.

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I've had enough of you misrepresenting my argument.

I have not argued that every time a smart person works hard and makes a few key good decisions he or she will be successful. However, statistics bear out that those who make a few key decisions are very likely to be financially stable. This is not my opinion, this is what data show. I would add that this is not the case in every society.

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Osodecentx said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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No one is arguing for absolute equality. Just a real chance at opportunity. A situation where anyone, if they're smart enough and willing to work hard, can increase their status.

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We have a situation where anyone who is smart enough and willing to work hard can increase their status.

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The stats -and at this point I've given a dozen examples- show that not to be true.

Either show proof it is, or stop clogging the feed. I've had enough of your opinions based on your feelings and nothing else.

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I've had enough of you misrepresenting my argument.

I have not argued that every time a smart person works hard and makes a few key good decisions he or she will be successful. However, statistics bear out that those who make a few key decisions are very likely to be financially stable. This is not my opinion, this is what data show. I would add that this is not the case in every society.

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Next he'll give you the 'bad faith' BS

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BrooksBearLives said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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"Entitled expectation". Do have any proof or is this simply a straw man opinion of people.

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Sadly, yes.

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Prove it.

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"I tried hard, why didn't you give me an A?"
How old are you? If you are of a certain cohort, you will have seen it for yourself.

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Sigh. I said none of those things. You're purposefully mischaracterizing my statements, and you're the only one who would fall for it.

I said someone smart enough and hard-working enough to do the work should have it pay off. If you're working your ass off full time, you should be able to pay your bills and move up the ladder.

We HAVE to reward hard work. It shouldn't take "luck" to get ahead. Hard work should suffice.

If we aren't intent on rewarding hard work, what are we even doing? We are training a society to give up, because working hard doesn't pay off. We're literally saying it's all a luck game. Either you have it or you don't. Work doesn't matter at all.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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There is a clear, fundamental basis of fairness and equality that exists in the US. That cannot be argued. We are now trying to guarantee outcomes in a competitive economy which will never happen. We're also measuring poverty against a highly advanced income and standard of living scale. That literally means that our success has made our poor the wealthiest poor in the world by a factor of 10+ in comparison.

We have one of the most advanced legal systems that has both criminal and civil recourse for those subject to injustice, unfairness, fraud, or corruption. Not to mention a system of laws that favors fairness, equality, and justice.

Does that mean that everything is perfect? Of course not. Will the path to success be more difficult for some than others? Of course. But from a purely systemic perspective, the opportunity to better your lot in life is as available as ever, and merit/performance/work is rewarded.

I believe the visibility of our wealth and success as individuals and as a society has crept into an entitled expectation of certain comfort without sacrifice. Ironically, this approach/perspective has and will lead to greater disparity between haves and have nots, despite the "have nots" having quite a bit from a global comparative perspective.

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"Entitled expectation". Do have any proof or is this simply a straw man opinion of people.

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Sadly, yes.

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Prove it.

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"I tried hard, why didn't you give me an A?"
How old are you? If you are of a certain cohort, you will have seen it for yourself.

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Sigh. I said none of those things. You're purposefully mischaracterizing my statements, and you're the only one who would fall for it.

I said someone smart enough and hard-working enough to do the work should have it pay off. If you're working your ass off full time, you should be able to pay your bills and move up the ladder.

We HAVE to reward hard work. It shouldn't take "luck" to get ahead. Hard work should suffice.

If we aren't intent on rewarding hard work, what are we even doing? We are training a society to give up, because working hard doesn't pay off. We're literally saying it's all a luck game. Either you have it or you don't. Work doesn't matter at all.

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