Doc Holliday said:

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We either fight back and deal with the blowback now...or we surrender to China long term and get owned.

Why are so many of you weak and unwilling to fight back? You boomers are so afraid. Your fathers were aggressive and didn't put up with this crap. I guess it skips a generation. Your generation created this situation.

While ya'll are worried about losing your boats, I am a young man worried about my future by the time ya'll will be long gone. A future where China controls our livelihood is not a future I want.

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As you know, I'm with ya 100% but can't speak for others!

Florda_mike said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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We either fight back and deal with the blowback now...or we surrender to China long term and get owned.

Why are so many of you weak and unwilling to fight back? You boomers are so afraid. Your fathers were aggressive and didn't put up with this crap. I guess it skips a generation. Your generation created this situation.

While ya'll are worried about losing your boats, I am a young man worried about my future by the time ya'll will be long gone. A future where China controls our livelihood is not a future I want.

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As you know, I'm with ya 100% but can't speak for others!

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Thank you!

Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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If he were you, he'd not get abused. He'd be with his wife of his lifetime and taken the $500M he got from his dad and grown it without the turmoil he creates.

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You have no idea how much Trump inherited or what he is worth today . Like others you are simply run with guesses and work yourself up .

Besides Pence would be accused of creating as much 'turmoil ' just for being a Christian. That is how the media works these days . Total extremes .

The media creates turmoil and ignores others .

Hey let's post a picture of a celebrity holding a likeness of Obama's cut off-bloody head ....and call it 'comedy'.

Let the hooded KKK beat up a bunch of liberals on the streets of Portland while the cops merely stand by and watch .

Let's shoot Democratic congressmen at a pickup baseball game

Lets use the courts to file frivolous lawsuits ....over and over ...against Obama and members of his family .

Then get back to me on Trumps turmoil .

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Preach it brother

I'm a listening!

Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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2nd verse same as the first

Another one with TDS

Florda_mike said:

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..... right on que

2nd verse same as the first

Another one with TDS

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So he didn't avoid serving his country when called

tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Name me one extremely successful businessmen/woman owner over the age of 60 who hasn't failed in a big way at least once during their career. There are some incredible books I suggest you read of our most successful people in the World who tell their stories of failure throughout their careers and how they overcame it.

I wish all of us could be as perfect as you and never make a mistake or wrong decision. That must be nice - you should write a book on how to do it.

HuMcK said:

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Membership in the TPP sure would be a pretty useful tool to use as leverage against China right now...

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Considering Biden said he would completely redo a TPP even though he's the one who helped create it should tell you all you need to know about how bad it was. Just like most of their 'deals' that have been proven a disaster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-finance-202/2019/08/01/the-finance-202-joe-biden-says-he-opposes-trans-pacific-partnership-even-though-he-helped-craft-it/5d4226f1602ff17879a187df/

HuMcK said:

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Membership in the TPP sure would be a pretty useful tool to use as leverage against China right now...

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Oops...

robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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Loud crickets

Deafening

Florda_mike said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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Loud crickets

Deafening

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It's been nine minutes, Florda, give him a chance to answer.

robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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..... right on que

2nd verse same as the first

Another one with TDS

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So he didn't avoid serving his country when called

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As someone old enough to remember registering for the draft, yet young enough and with a number in the 350s to know that I'd never be drafted, I've come to the realization that passing on the fiasco of Viet Nam was probably a wise move for anyone who was able at the time.

Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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Not what I asked.

Military service either is, or is not an essential requirement.

Which is it?

W t f did my comment have to do with Joe Biden?

riflebear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Membership in the TPP sure would be a pretty useful tool to use as leverage against China right now...

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Oops...

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A bit worried about Joe, he has some good ideas, but his eyes have a much more vacant look than they did in 2013, which is common for someone moving into his later 70's. That said.

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Market Milestones as the Bull Market Turns 10. It's official. This Saturday, March 9, 2019, marks the 10-year anniversary of what many call the longest bull market in history. It all started from the post-crisis low of March 9, 2009.

This Bull Market which is pretty much the longest in history is probably over, or about over. I had an adviser suggest transitioning out of stocks a few weeks ago, he felt the run was about over. This trade stuff may have accelerated that.

Also, recession is a normal part of the market cycle, no need to treat it as a pariah, it is coming, the question is when.

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A recession is widespread economic decline that lasts for at least six months. A depression is a more severe decline that lasts for several years. For example, an average recession lasts for 18 months, while the most recent depression lasted for a decade. There have been 33 recessions since 1854.

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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Not what I asked.

Military service either is, or is not an essential requirement.

Which is it?

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It's not a requirement to become president but it would be nice for someone who talks constantly about love of the flag and patriotism to have not been a draft dodger.
But if that is what turns you on fine

robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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Not what I asked.

Military service either is, or is not an essential requirement.

Which is it?

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It's not a requirement to become president but it would be nice for someone who talks constantly about love of the flag and patriotism to have not been a draft dodger.
But if that is what turns you on fine

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Passive-aggressive much?

If you want to play games with things which happened damn near a half-century ago, suppose Trump felt bad about his choice as a young man, and that's why he has worked so hard to avoid committing troops to senseless conflicts? Maybe that's why Trump has worked harder than either Obama or Bush or Clinton to avoid new wars and avoid expanding troop commitments.

Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

---

^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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Not what I asked.

Military service either is, or is not an essential requirement.

Which is it?

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It's not a requirement to become president but it would be nice for someone who talks constantly about love of the flag and patriotism to have not been a draft dodger.
But if that is what turns you on fine

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Passive-aggressive much?

If you want to play games with things which happened damn near a half-century ago, suppose Trump felt bad about his choice as a young man, and that's why he has worked so hard to avoid committing troops to senseless conflicts? Maybe that's why Trump has worked harder than either Obama or Bush or Clinton to avoid new wars and avoid expanding troop commitments.

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No games sir
My uncle made the ultimate sacrifice and died defending his country. My granddad and dad put their lives on the line as well in WWII and Korea
Real patriots. Not sure what games you are referring to

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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Not what I asked.

Military service either is, or is not an essential requirement.

Which is it?

---

It's not a requirement to become president but it would be nice for someone who talks constantly about love of the flag and patriotism to have not been a draft dodger.
But if that is what turns you on fine

---

Passive-aggressive much?

If you want to play games with things which happened damn near a half-century ago, suppose Trump felt bad about his choice as a young man, and that's why he has worked so hard to avoid committing troops to senseless conflicts? Maybe that's why Trump has worked harder than either Obama or Bush or Clinton to avoid new wars and avoid expanding troop commitments.

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No games sir
My uncle made the ultimate sacrifice and died defending his country. My granddad and dad put their lives on the line as well in WWII and Korea
Real patriots. Not sure what games you are referring to

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I have great respect for our veterans. I simply don't forget that military service is not the only mark of a man.

You have cherry-picked an excuse to hate Trump. Fine. Right up there with hating him for his weight, his hair, or the way he talks, for reasons not to like him.

Me, I see if he does what he promised. Originalist judges, check. Strong economy, check. Wants a secure border, check.

It would be nice to be able to say Trump served in the military, but like I said, maybe that prompted Donald Trump to do some introspection as he got older, and make command decisions which don't lead to useless casualties. I am glad Obama never had to go to war, and I respect both Bushes for their service, but I like someone who thinks about the cost of a military response, and who pays that cost.

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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Not what I asked.

Military service either is, or is not an essential requirement.

Which is it?

---

It's not a requirement to become president but it would be nice for someone who talks constantly about love of the flag and patriotism to have not been a draft dodger.
But if that is what turns you on fine

---

Passive-aggressive much?

If you want to play games with things which happened damn near a half-century ago, suppose Trump felt bad about his choice as a young man, and that's why he has worked so hard to avoid committing troops to senseless conflicts? Maybe that's why Trump has worked harder than either Obama or Bush or Clinton to avoid new wars and avoid expanding troop commitments.

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No games sir
My uncle made the ultimate sacrifice and died defending his country. My granddad and dad put their lives on the line as well in WWII and Korea
Real patriots. Not sure what games you are referring to

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I have great respect for our veterans. I simply don't forget that military service is not the only mark of a man.

Me, I see if he does what he promised.

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Promises like:
Repealing Obamacare?
Building a wall and make Mexico pay for it?
Canceling funding of sanctuary cities?
Not playing golf?
Ending birthright citizenships?
Defunding Planned Parenthood?
Enacting term limits.
Appointing a prosecutor to investigate Hillary?
Enacting an infrastructure plan?
Saving the coal industry?
Suing everyone who accused him of sexual harassment?
Limiting the number of tax brackets?
Releasing his tax returns?
Reducing the deficit?
Balancing the budget?

You mean all those promises?

BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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Not what I asked.

Military service either is, or is not an essential requirement.

Which is it?

---

It's not a requirement to become president but it would be nice for someone who talks constantly about love of the flag and patriotism to have not been a draft dodger.
But if that is what turns you on fine

---

Passive-aggressive much?

If you want to play games with things which happened damn near a half-century ago, suppose Trump felt bad about his choice as a young man, and that's why he has worked so hard to avoid committing troops to senseless conflicts? Maybe that's why Trump has worked harder than either Obama or Bush or Clinton to avoid new wars and avoid expanding troop commitments.

---

No games sir
My uncle made the ultimate sacrifice and died defending his country. My granddad and dad put their lives on the line as well in WWII and Korea
Real patriots. Not sure what games you are referring to

---

I have great respect for our veterans. I simply don't forget that military service is not the only mark of a man.

Me, I see if he does what he promised.

---

Promises like:
Repealing Obamacare?
Building a wall and make Mexico pay for it?
Canceling funding of sanctuary cities?
Not playing golf?
Ending birthright citizenships?
Defunding Planned Parenthood?
Enacting term limits.
Appointing a prosecutor to investigate Hillary?
Enacting an infrastructure plan?
Saving the coal industry?
Suing everyone who accused him of sexual harassment?
Limiting the number of tax brackets?
Releasing his tax returns?
Reducing the deficit?
Balancing the budget?

You mean all those promises?

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Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

---

Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

---

Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

---

I don't believe he's a billionaire.

---

Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

---

Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

---

Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

---

^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

---

Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

---

Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

---

I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

---

Not what I asked.

Military service either is, or is not an essential requirement.

Which is it?

---

It's not a requirement to become president but it would be nice for someone who talks constantly about love of the flag and patriotism to have not been a draft dodger.
But if that is what turns you on fine

---

Passive-aggressive much?

If you want to play games with things which happened damn near a half-century ago, suppose Trump felt bad about his choice as a young man, and that's why he has worked so hard to avoid committing troops to senseless conflicts? Maybe that's why Trump has worked harder than either Obama or Bush or Clinton to avoid new wars and avoid expanding troop commitments.

---

No games sir
My uncle made the ultimate sacrifice and died defending his country. My granddad and dad put their lives on the line as well in WWII and Korea
Real patriots. Not sure what games you are referring to

---

I have great respect for our veterans. I simply don't forget that military service is not the only mark of a man.

Me, I see if he does what he promised.

---

Promises like:
Repealing Obamacare?
Building a wall and make Mexico pay for it?
Canceling funding of sanctuary cities?
Not playing golf?
Ending birthright citizenships?
Defunding Planned Parenthood?
Enacting term limits.
Appointing a prosecutor to investigate Hillary?
Enacting an infrastructure plan?
Saving the coal industry?
Suing everyone who accused him of sexual harassment?
Limiting the number of tax brackets?
Releasing his tax returns?
Reducing the deficit?
Balancing the budget?

You mean all those promises?

---

Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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..... right on que

2nd verse same as the first

Another one with TDS

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So he didn't avoid serving his country when called

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As someone old enough to remember registering for the draft, yet young enough and with a number in the 350s to know that I'd never be drafted, I've come to the realization that passing on the fiasco of Viet Nam was probably a wise move for anyone who was able at the time.

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Was with my mom over weekend and she brought up same thing

She's agree

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Name me one extremely successful businessmen/woman owner over the age of 60 who hasn't failed in a big way at least once during their career. There are some incredible books I suggest you read of our most successful people in the World who tell their stories of failure throughout their careers and how they overcame it.

I wish all of us could be as perfect as you and never make a mistake or wrong decision. That must be nice - you should write a book on how to do it.

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Failure is part of business. However, he did start off with $440M from Daddy. Hell, if you can't turn that in a Billion in 20 years or so, you got issues

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

---

Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

---

Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

---

I don't believe he's a billionaire.

---

Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

---

Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

---

Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

---

^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

---

Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

---

Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

---

I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

---

Not what I asked.

Military service either is, or is not an essential requirement.

Which is it?

---

It's not a requirement to become president but it would be nice for someone who talks constantly about love of the flag and patriotism to have not been a draft dodger.
But if that is what turns you on fine

---

Passive-aggressive much?

If you want to play games with things which happened damn near a half-century ago, suppose Trump felt bad about his choice as a young man, and that's why he has worked so hard to avoid committing troops to senseless conflicts? Maybe that's why Trump has worked harder than either Obama or Bush or Clinton to avoid new wars and avoid expanding troop commitments.

---

No games sir
My uncle made the ultimate sacrifice and died defending his country. My granddad and dad put their lives on the line as well in WWII and Korea
Real patriots. Not sure what games you are referring to

---

I have great respect for our veterans. I simply don't forget that military service is not the only mark of a man.

Me, I see if he does what he promised.

---

Promises like:
Repealing Obamacare?
Building a wall and make Mexico pay for it?
Canceling funding of sanctuary cities?
Not playing golf?
Ending birthright citizenships?
Defunding Planned Parenthood?
Enacting term limits.
Appointing a prosecutor to investigate Hillary?
Enacting an infrastructure plan?
Saving the coal industry?
Suing everyone who accused him of sexual harassment?
Limiting the number of tax brackets?
Releasing his tax returns?
Reducing the deficit?
Balancing the budget?

You mean all those promises?

---

Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

---

Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

---

Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

---

I don't believe he's a billionaire.

---

Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

---

Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

---

Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

---

^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

---

Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

---

Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

---

I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

---

Not what I asked.

Military service either is, or is not an essential requirement.

Which is it?

---

It's not a requirement to become president but it would be nice for someone who talks constantly about love of the flag and patriotism to have not been a draft dodger.
But if that is what turns you on fine

---

Passive-aggressive much?

If you want to play games with things which happened damn near a half-century ago, suppose Trump felt bad about his choice as a young man, and that's why he has worked so hard to avoid committing troops to senseless conflicts? Maybe that's why Trump has worked harder than either Obama or Bush or Clinton to avoid new wars and avoid expanding troop commitments.

---

No games sir
My uncle made the ultimate sacrifice and died defending his country. My granddad and dad put their lives on the line as well in WWII and Korea
Real patriots. Not sure what games you are referring to

---

I have great respect for our veterans. I simply don't forget that military service is not the only mark of a man.

Me, I see if he does what he promised.

---

Promises like:
Repealing Obamacare?
Building a wall and make Mexico pay for it?
Canceling funding of sanctuary cities?
Not playing golf?
Ending birthright citizenships?
Defunding Planned Parenthood?
Enacting term limits.
Appointing a prosecutor to investigate Hillary?
Enacting an infrastructure plan?
Saving the coal industry?
Suing everyone who accused him of sexual harassment?
Limiting the number of tax brackets?
Releasing his tax returns?
Reducing the deficit?
Balancing the budget?

You mean all those promises?

---

Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

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Gotcha. So there's promises and then there's REAL promises.

Let me guess, the real promises are the ones he followed through. The others which he didn't keep or lied about, weren't real or "main" promises, right?

How mighty convenient.

BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

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Gotcha. So there's promises and then there's REAL promises.

Let me guess, the real promises are the ones he followed through. The others which he didn't keep or lied about, weren't real or "main" promises, right?

How mighty convenient.

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There you are folks, selective ability to comprehend.

That's how Democrats expect you to vote for them next year, even after they rolled out that train wreck of proposals at the last two debates.

Trump is doing the job, Democrats are jobbing the taxpayer,

Simple as that.

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Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

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Gotcha. So there's promises and then there's REAL promises.

Let me guess, the real promises are the ones he followed through. The others which he didn't keep or lied about, weren't real or "main" promises, right?

How mighty convenient.

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There you are folks, selective ability to comprehend.

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Almost as selective as Trump's promises, amirite?

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Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

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Gotcha. So there's promises and then there's REAL promises.

Let me guess, the real promises are the ones he followed through. The others which he didn't keep or lied about, weren't real or "main" promises, right?

How mighty convenient.

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There you are folks, selective ability to comprehend.

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Almost as selective as Trump's promises, amirite?

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Trump made promises that no sane person believed, just like the current Democrat candidates.

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Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

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Gotcha. So there's promises and then there's REAL promises.

Let me guess, the real promises are the ones he followed through. The others which he didn't keep or lied about, weren't real or "main" promises, right?

How mighty convenient.

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There you are folks, selective ability to comprehend.

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Almost as selective as Trump's promises, amirite?

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Did your mom feed you lead flakes for breakfast because she couldn't afford corn flakes?

is that how you got that way, BJM?

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It all comes down to finding a deal that substantially resets the relationship without making China look like they lost.

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I don't think this is possible. Trump's ego can only have him winning (whether he did or not) and he would want to take to mouth and finger to make sure everybody knows he is claiming a win (whether he did or not). In such case, it is impossible for China not being made to look like they lost.

A non-ego, putting country before self, driven person could pull off this trick, but not Trump.

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It all comes down to finding a deal that substantially resets the relationship without making China look like they lost.

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I don't think this is possible. Trump's ego can only have him winning (whether he did or not) and he would want to take to mouth and finger to make sure everybody knows he is claiming a win (whether he did or not). In such case, it is impossible for China not being made to look like they lost.

A non-ego, putting country before self, driven person could pull off this trick, but not Trump.

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Trump's won by surprise before. At least he's not ducking the fight like his predecessors.

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Wait till you learn about Biden.