BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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I hope no prosective students read this thread. Shame on you, Baylor FTW.

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1. You need to slow down when typing or work on your spelling.
2. Side stepping the question does not make it go away. Don't let your politics cloud your judgment. This is a fair question given all these actions he took while in office. I don't believe a practicing Christian would take such actions.

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Which actions? Trying to make sure everybody had access to healthcare? Sounds Christian to me.

Trying to guide us out of a recession?

Tryijng to make sure we got along with our neighbors instead of huffing and puffing and cursing and build walls? (Truth to tell, Obama didn't treat refugees and asylum seekers or economic migrants well; he was just a lot quieter about it, and he didn't kidnap babies and children and lose them.)

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The list of actions in the OP.

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Matthew 7:1

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If judging is wrong, why are you judging my judging? 1 Corinthians 2:15

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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I hope no prosective students read this thread. Shame on you, Baylor FTW.

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1. You need to slow down when typing or work on your spelling.
2. Side stepping the question does not make it go away. Don't let your politics cloud your judgment. This is a fair question given all these actions he took while in office. I don't believe a practicing Christian would take such actions.

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Which actions? Trying to make sure everybody had access to healthcare? Sounds Christian to me.

Trying to guide us out of a recession?

Tryijng to make sure we got along with our neighbors instead of huffing and puffing and cursing and build walls? (Truth to tell, Obama didn't treat refugees and asylum seekers or economic migrants well; he was just a lot quieter about it, and he didn't kidnap babies and children and lose them.)

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The list of actions in the OP.

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Matthew 7:1

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If judging is wrong, why are you judging my judging? 1 Corinthians 2:15

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See OP. It's all on you.

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BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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I hope no prosective students read this thread. Shame on you, Baylor FTW.

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1. You need to slow down when typing or work on your spelling.
2. Side stepping the question does not make it go away. Don't let your politics cloud your judgment. This is a fair question given all these actions he took while in office. I don't believe a practicing Christian would take such actions.

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Which actions? Trying to make sure everybody had access to healthcare? Sounds Christian to me.

Trying to guide us out of a recession?

Tryijng to make sure we got along with our neighbors instead of huffing and puffing and cursing and build walls? (Truth to tell, Obama didn't treat refugees and asylum seekers or economic migrants well; he was just a lot quieter about it, and he didn't kidnap babies and children and lose them.)

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The list of actions in the OP.

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Matthew 7:1

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If judging is wrong, why are you judging my judging? 1 Corinthians 2:15

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See OP. It's all on you.

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Why are you dodging the question? This seems to be a common pattern by those in this thread who don't like the content of the message in the OP. They do everything but deal with the question asked.

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riflebear said:

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Only God knows the answer, but one thing I can tell you is he was one of the worst Presidents we've ever had. Saw these tweets and thought it was a good reminder. This list could go on into the 1000s

BARACK OBAMA -->

1. First President to be photographed smoking a joint.
2. First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
3. First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
PolitixGal (@PolitixGal) August 20, 2019 "
4. First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.
5. First President to violate the War Powers Act.
6. First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
7. First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a 3rd party.
8. First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.
9. First President to by-pass Congress & implement the Dream Act thru executive fiat.
10. First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. including those w/ criminal convictions.
11. First Pres. 2 demand a company hand-over $20 bil to a political appointee.
12. First Pres. 2 tell a CEO of a major corp. (Chrysler) to resign.
13. First Pres. 2 cancel the Natl Day of Prayer & say that America is no longer a Christian nation.
14. To arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional & refuse to enforce it
15. To threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons 4 their rate increases
16. To actively try to bankrupt a US industry-coal
17. To fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
18. To appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.
19. To surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

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BaylorBJM said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Thread is now contaminated with our Obama defending Socialists that apparently are fine with the destruction of our country

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Lulz. I typed my above post without even haven finished the thread yet. Right on cue!

Never change Mike.

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BaylorBJM said:

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Buddha, you know as well as anyone, if his dad was Muslim then Obama was too. You know he was born a Muslim! That's simply how it works and you SHOULD know it and probably do?

I can't stand the man because was an anti Christian Muslim and I certainly don't just pretend and call him Muslim because I can't stand him. Life is too short to pretend about all this and I don't have time to pretend about anyone especially an American president!

Some of you smart folks are considered smart because you believe and know ONLY what you read. You have to read between lines to know obama was Muslim and I've made a lifetime reading tween lines to make a living.

A simple example I've never seen a "journalist" ever have the balls to question is his name change, and YOU know this throughout your travels but won't admit it for whatever reason! Why did he change his name to a Muslim name??? Why did Barry change name to Barrack? Why change Soreito to Obama? And why call his middle name Hussein? Do you know what that Muslim name translates to? Do that simple research if you still deny the obvious

And to the OP, thanks for this great topic, seriously

You at least address the obvious

Thanks again

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how on earth this train of "logic" is something you have arrived at is ridiculous, so because his Dad was a Muslim (and he was hardly a devout one, by all accounts Obamas Dad converted to Anglicism at age 6 and later on considered himself an Atheist), that must mean he was too? despite the fact his Dad divorced his Mum and left the country when Obama was 3?

he didnt change his name to Barack Hussein Obama, thats literally the name he was given by his Parents, its what is on his Birth Certificate, "Barry" was a nickname that, apparently, he didnt particularly like and Soetero was the name of his Step Father, whose name he presumably took whilst Soetero and Obama's Mother were married and then stopped using it when they divorced. This is basic information anyone could discover for themselves.

The fact you need to "read between the lines" (aka lie to yourself and others) about Obamas Religion and Nationality in an attempt to smear him is quite frankly pathetic and bigoted

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Don't waste your time. Anytime Florduh is asked to back up his opinions (if you can even call them that) with facts, he conveniently ignores it, mentions how it's not something "we" couldn't possibly understand, responds by accusing the usual "libtards" spamming the board or some crazy non sequitur.

He doesn't do logic. Never has.

He does senility.

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cinque said:

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riflebear said:

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Only God knows the answer, but one thing I can tell you is he was one of the worst Presidents we've ever had. Saw these tweets and thought it was a good reminder. This list could go on into the 1000s

BARACK OBAMA -->

1. First President to be photographed smoking a joint.
2. First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
3. First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
PolitixGal (@PolitixGal) August 20, 2019 "
4. First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.
5. First President to violate the War Powers Act.
6. First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
7. First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a 3rd party.
8. First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.
9. First President to by-pass Congress & implement the Dream Act thru executive fiat.
10. First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. including those w/ criminal convictions.
11. First Pres. 2 demand a company hand-over $20 bil to a political appointee.
12. First Pres. 2 tell a CEO of a major corp. (Chrysler) to resign.
13. First Pres. 2 cancel the Natl Day of Prayer & say that America is no longer a Christian nation.
14. To arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional & refuse to enforce it
15. To threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons 4 their rate increases
16. To actively try to bankrupt a US industry-coal
17. To fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
18. To appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.
19. To surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

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Jesus, dude: http://thekind-heartedsmartaleck.blogspot.com/2015/07/an-updated-obama-chain-email-continues.html

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Florda_mike said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Thread is now contaminated with our Obama defending Socialists that apparently are fine with the destruction of our country

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Lulz. I typed my above post without even haven finished the thread yet. Right on cue!

Never change Mike.

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Right on cue you make my point you idiot spoiled millennial

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Buddha Bear said:

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Let's play "Defend a Muslim"

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I'm just trying to defend truth and reality. The Obama is a muslim thing is one that I thought was a derogatory joke that everyone was in on. It's a whopper really.

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Florda_mike said:

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Waste of time

Bye

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Florda_mike said:

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Waste of time

Bye

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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Bearish said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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I've offered you my opinion on this, including a yet unanswered question posed to you. But I think the Trump deflection is more like answering a question with a question, in order to show how petty your argument is. Like this:

Q: Don't you think Obama is a fake Christian because he puts family dogs on Christmas cards and extends marriage benefits to same-sex couples?

A: Um, do you think Trump is a fake Christian because he pronounces it "Two Corinthians" (as in "...walk into a bar") is proven on audio to have degraded women saying "when you're famous you can grab 'em by the *****" and claims we shouldn't be taking refuges from "shthole" countires?

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J.R. said:

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I try not opine on other religion/heart. Just a better policy.

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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ok, you want evidence, https://reverbpress.com/politics/debunking-obamas-accomplishments-meme-part-1/

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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ok, you want evidence, https://reverbpress.com/politics/debunking-obamas-accomplishments-meme-part-1/

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Buddy, I don't care about that chain email. I am talking about all the points made in the OP. That is what this thread is about. Stop going down rabbit trails.

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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ok, you want evidence, https://reverbpress.com/politics/debunking-obamas-accomplishments-meme-part-1/

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Buddy, I don't care about that chain email. I am talking about all the points made in the OP. That is what this thread is about. Stop going down rabbit trails.

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BaylorFTW said:

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Bearish said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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I've offered you my opinion on this, including a yet unanswered question posed to you. But I think the Trump deflection is more like answering a question with a question, in order to show how petty your argument is. Like this:

Q: Don't you think Obama is a fake Christian because he puts family dogs on Christmas cards and extends marriage benefits to same-sex couples?

A: Um, do you think Trump is a fake Christian because he pronounces it "Two Corinthians" (as in "...walk into a bar") is proven on audio to have degraded women saying "when you're famous you can grab 'em by the *****" and claims we shouldn't be taking refuges from "shthole" countires?

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I think Trump is probably a lukewarm Christian who hasn't seriously studied the bible. But he has been more supportive of the faith during his time in office even with his other moral failings. As a Presidential figure, I am more interested in what the Presidents do in terms of policies with regard to the faith. In other words, do they make it easier or harder to be a practicing Christian and to spread the Gospel? I think the points I listed show that Obama has made it harder to be a practicing Christian by his policy actions. And considering that he claims to be a Christian, it is very odd and suspect that he would take a whole lot of actions that would do so.

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Bearish said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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I've offered you my opinion on this, including a yet unanswered question posed to you. But I think the Trump deflection is more like answering a question with a question, in order to show how petty your argument is. Like this:

Q: Don't you think Obama is a fake Christian because he puts family dogs on Christmas cards and extends marriage benefits to same-sex couples?

A: Um, do you think Trump is a fake Christian because he pronounces it "Two Corinthians" (as in "...walk into a bar") is proven on audio to have degraded women saying "when you're famous you can grab 'em by the *****" and claims we shouldn't be taking refuges from "shthole" countires?

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I think Trump is probably a lukewarm Christian who hasn't seriously studied the bible. But he has been more supportive of the faith during his time in office even with his other moral failings. As a Presidential figure, I am more interested in what the Presidents do in terms of policies with regard to the faith. In other words, do they make it easier or harder to be a practicing Christian and to spread the Gospel? I think the points I listed show that Obama has made it harder to be a practicing Christian by his policy actions. And considering that he claims to be a Christian, it is very odd and suspect that he would take a whole lot of actions that would do so.

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So happy we live in a country where church and state are separate. I am shocked that you consider the government in this country to impede or improve your evangelism. Put more more faith in the holy spirit and less in the president.

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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ok, you want evidence, https://reverbpress.com/politics/debunking-obamas-accomplishments-meme-part-1/

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Buddy, I don't care about that chain email. I am talking about all the points made in the OP. That is what this thread is about. Stop going down rabbit trails.

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oh, you're right, im sorry, i got the two posts mixed up, my mistake

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Bearish said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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I've offered you my opinion on this, including a yet unanswered question posed to you. But I think the Trump deflection is more like answering a question with a question, in order to show how petty your argument is. Like this:

Q: Don't you think Obama is a fake Christian because he puts family dogs on Christmas cards and extends marriage benefits to same-sex couples?

A: Um, do you think Trump is a fake Christian because he pronounces it "Two Corinthians" (as in "...walk into a bar") is proven on audio to have degraded women saying "when you're famous you can grab 'em by the *****" and claims we shouldn't be taking refuges from "shthole" countires?

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I think Trump is probably a lukewarm Christian who hasn't seriously studied the bible. But he has been more supportive of the faith during his time in office even with his other moral failings. As a Presidential figure, I am more interested in what the Presidents do in terms of policies with regard to the faith. In other words, do they make it easier or harder to be a practicing Christian and to spread the Gospel? I think the points I listed show that Obama has made it harder to be a practicing Christian by his policy actions. And considering that he claims to be a Christian, it is very odd and suspect that he would take a whole lot of actions that would do so.

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So happy we live in a country where church and state are separate. I am shocked that you consider the government in this country to impede or improve your evangelism. Put more more faith in the holy spirit and less in the president.

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Sam Lowry said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Bearish said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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I've offered you my opinion on this, including a yet unanswered question posed to you. But I think the Trump deflection is more like answering a question with a question, in order to show how petty your argument is. Like this:

Q: Don't you think Obama is a fake Christian because he puts family dogs on Christmas cards and extends marriage benefits to same-sex couples?

A: Um, do you think Trump is a fake Christian because he pronounces it "Two Corinthians" (as in "...walk into a bar") is proven on audio to have degraded women saying "when you're famous you can grab 'em by the *****" and claims we shouldn't be taking refuges from "shthole" countires?

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I think Trump is probably a lukewarm Christian who hasn't seriously studied the bible. But he has been more supportive of the faith during his time in office even with his other moral failings. As a Presidential figure, I am more interested in what the Presidents do in terms of policies with regard to the faith. In other words, do they make it easier or harder to be a practicing Christian and to spread the Gospel? I think the points I listed show that Obama has made it harder to be a practicing Christian by his policy actions. And considering that he claims to be a Christian, it is very odd and suspect that he would take a whole lot of actions that would do so.

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So happy we live in a country where church and state are separate. I am shocked that you consider the government in this country to impede or improve your evangelism. Put more more faith in the holy spirit and less in the president.

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I'm happy they're separate despite Obama's best efforts to dictate religious practices. The fact that government can impede evangelism is exactly why they are separate.

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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I've offered you my opinion on this, including a yet unanswered question posed to you. But I think the Trump deflection is more like answering a question with a question, in order to show how petty your argument is. Like this:

Q: Don't you think Obama is a fake Christian because he puts family dogs on Christmas cards and extends marriage benefits to same-sex couples?

A: Um, do you think Trump is a fake Christian because he pronounces it "Two Corinthians" (as in "...walk into a bar") is proven on audio to have degraded women saying "when you're famous you can grab 'em by the *****" and claims we shouldn't be taking refuges from "shthole" countires?

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I think Trump is probably a lukewarm Christian who hasn't seriously studied the bible. But he has been more supportive of the faith during his time in office even with his other moral failings. As a Presidential figure, I am more interested in what the Presidents do in terms of policies with regard to the faith. In other words, do they make it easier or harder to be a practicing Christian and to spread the Gospel? I think the points I listed show that Obama has made it harder to be a practicing Christian by his policy actions. And considering that he claims to be a Christian, it is very odd and suspect that he would take a whole lot of actions that would do so.

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So happy we live in a country where church and state are separate. I am shocked that you consider the government in this country to impede or improve your evangelism. Put more more faith in the holy spirit and less in the president.

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I'm happy they're separate despite Obama's best efforts to dictate religious practices. The fact that government can impede evangelism is exactly why they are separate.

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Weak efforts, and tell me how it impacted evangelism.

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Sam Lowry said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Bearish said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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cms186 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I am still waiting on some folks here to deal with what Obama did during his Presidency against the faith rather than deflect. We can't pretend these things didn't happen. Where is all the thoughtful commentary on these points? And should Christians really be supportive of such actions that are contrary to the faith?

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someone posting a link debunking the chain email OP you made with only about 4 of the points having any factual accuracy

Does all of the Un-Christian things Trump has done or endorsed during his Presidency mean he isnt a Christian?

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You are making a false claim. The content in the OP is not from a chain email but from a researched book.

You are also making a claim that a number of the points made are not factually accurate. But you have failed to support that claim with any evidence. Since you have already told one whopper, why should we not assume you have made another whopper here too?

Finally, should we assume that since many of you are so quick to deflect to talking about Trump it is an implied admission that you cannot defend Obama's actions against the faith?

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I've offered you my opinion on this, including a yet unanswered question posed to you. But I think the Trump deflection is more like answering a question with a question, in order to show how petty your argument is. Like this:

Q: Don't you think Obama is a fake Christian because he puts family dogs on Christmas cards and extends marriage benefits to same-sex couples?

A: Um, do you think Trump is a fake Christian because he pronounces it "Two Corinthians" (as in "...walk into a bar") is proven on audio to have degraded women saying "when you're famous you can grab 'em by the *****" and claims we shouldn't be taking refuges from "shthole" countires?

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I think Trump is probably a lukewarm Christian who hasn't seriously studied the bible. But he has been more supportive of the faith during his time in office even with his other moral failings. As a Presidential figure, I am more interested in what the Presidents do in terms of policies with regard to the faith. In other words, do they make it easier or harder to be a practicing Christian and to spread the Gospel? I think the points I listed show that Obama has made it harder to be a practicing Christian by his policy actions. And considering that he claims to be a Christian, it is very odd and suspect that he would take a whole lot of actions that would do so.

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So happy we live in a country where church and state are separate. I am shocked that you consider the government in this country to impede or improve your evangelism. Put more more faith in the holy spirit and less in the president.

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I'm happy they're separate despite Obama's best efforts to dictate religious practices. The fact that government can impede evangelism is exactly why they are separate.

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Weak efforts, and tell me how it impacted evangelism.

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That's no reason not to pay attention. If they were weak, it's only because they were opposed.

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