Serious question: Are you thinking that Iran has stopped their nuclear weapons program because of Obama's "concession" of a reported $150+B Obama gave them?

Just a simple answer would suffice, yes or no?

Florda_mike said:

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Serious question: Are you thinking that Iran has stopped their nuclear weapons program because of Obama's "concession" of a reported $150+B Obama gave them?

Just a simple answer would suffice, yes or no?

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They had no weapons program to stop. If they ever had one, it was stopped in 2003 according to the IAEA and the US intelligence community. Obama's deal was to stop them from developing weapons going forward from 2015.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

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I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

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You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

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No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

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According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

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I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

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It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

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What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

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I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

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You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

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No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

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According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

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It was both. The semantics you're leaning on so heavily just make you look dishonest. You should admit when you are wrong.

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It was frozen assets that belonged to Iran, not the US. That's not just a semantic distinction.

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And the Obama administration gave those billions of dollars to Iran. Your transparent and weak attempt to conflate to give and to gift makes you seem very dishonest. Obama gave the violent Iranian terror regime billions of dollars. To claim otherwise is false.

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Fine. We gave them billions of dollars that already belonged to them.

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In the same way giving assets "belonging to" Joaqun Guzmn to the sinaloa cartel would be, sure. If you are ok with that, fine. I'd personally prefer not to finance terrorist regimes with billions of dollars. But to each his own.

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Money is fungible. It's not always traceable. All negotiated deals involve concessions to the opponent, and all concessions can potentially be used to our disadvantage. What you're objecting to isn't how these particular assets were used. You're objecting to the fact that we made concessions to Iran at all. But the question is whether we got a bigger advantage in return.

The advantage of Obama's deal with Iran was that it gave them an incentive to forego nuclear weapons. A lot of people would rather deny them nuclear weapons, and even nuclear energy, without making any concessions. Obama understood that we have neither the authority nor the ability to do so.

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Money is fungible. Which is precisely why it's a terrible idea to give billions of dollars of it to a terrorist regime which currently has to choose between weapons programs and food/fuel needs for citizens. What's more, when you do so under the auspices of stopping programs one can never verify are stopped for a paltry 10 year period before sun setting into complete irrelevance, all the while doing nothing to stop them advancing the most deadly portions of their research, you are in a fool's errand.

Only a child thinks nation states are permanent immutable fixtures. That is a 21st century conceit borne from historical ignorance. Sovereignty is only relevant if one can maintain it through force of arms and alliances. When a nation becomes a destabilizing terrorist pariah, they no longer deserve sovereignty and their neighbors and betters are justified in eliminating them or sanctioning them into the dark ages.

The only advantages of the Obama deal were accrued to Iran. The US knowingly funded terrorism in that deal and knowingly advanced the nuclear ambitions of the terrorist Iranian regime. All for short term political crowing.

Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Serious question: Are you thinking that Iran has stopped their nuclear weapons program because of Obama's "concession" of a reported $150+B Obama gave them?

Just a simple answer would suffice, yes or no?

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They had no weapons program to stop. If they ever had one, it was stopped in 2003 according to the IAEA and the US intelligence community. Obama's deal was to stop them from developing weapons going forward from 2015.

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The US in conjunction with others stopped it before and will continue to do so moving forward regardless of treaties. So yes, we have the ability even if you argue we don't have the authority.

Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Serious question: Are you thinking that Iran has stopped their nuclear weapons program because of Obama's "concession" of a reported $150+B Obama gave them?

Just a simple answer would suffice, yes or no?

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They had no weapons program to stop. If they ever had one, it was stopped in 2003 according to the IAEA and the US intelligence community. Obama's deal was to stop them from developing weapons going forward from 2015.

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Do you really believe Iran was/is not developing weapons since 2003??? Really?

If that's the case then there was no need for obama to buy em into staying stopped because they were already stopped! You seem extremely naive or just an outright puppet of left. Either way you're an enemy of US by your thinking.

My gosh

I feel I need to imitate Rebel T and call idiot on you?

Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Serious question: Are you thinking that Iran has stopped their nuclear weapons program because of Obama's "concession" of a reported $150+B Obama gave them?

Just a simple answer would suffice, yes or no?

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They had no weapons program to stop. If they ever had one, it was stopped in 2003 according to the IAEA and the US intelligence community. Obama's deal was to stop them from developing weapons going forward from 2015.

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Do you really believe Iran was/is not developing weapons since 2003??? Really?

If that's the case then there was no need for obama to buy em into staying stopped because they were already stopped! You seem extremely naive or just an outright puppet of left. Either way you're an enemy of US by your thinking.

My gosh

I feel I need to imitate Rebel T and call idiot on you?

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Sam is not an idiot by any stretch, nor is he a leftist. He's been a longtime advocate of peace with Iran. I disagree with him for various reasons, and you have yours, but you can stick to your points without throwing in the wrong labels and names.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

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I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

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You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

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No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

---

According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

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I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

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It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

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What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

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There is ample evidence.

ATL Bear said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Serious question: Are you thinking that Iran has stopped their nuclear weapons program because of Obama's "concession" of a reported $150+B Obama gave them?

Just a simple answer would suffice, yes or no?

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They had no weapons program to stop. If they ever had one, it was stopped in 2003 according to the IAEA and the US intelligence community. Obama's deal was to stop them from developing weapons going forward from 2015.

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Do you really believe Iran was/is not developing weapons since 2003??? Really?

If that's the case then there was no need for obama to buy em into staying stopped because they were already stopped! You seem extremely naive or just an outright puppet of left. Either way you're an enemy of US by your thinking.

My gosh

I feel I need to imitate Rebel T and call idiot on you?

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Sam is not an idiot by any stretch, nor is he a leftist. He's been a longtime advocate of peace with Iran. I disagree with him for various reasons, and you have yours, but you can stick to your points without throwing in the wrong labels and names.

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Thanks.

ATL Bear said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Serious question: Are you thinking that Iran has stopped their nuclear weapons program because of Obama's "concession" of a reported $150+B Obama gave them?

Just a simple answer would suffice, yes or no?

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They had no weapons program to stop. If they ever had one, it was stopped in 2003 according to the IAEA and the US intelligence community. Obama's deal was to stop them from developing weapons going forward from 2015.

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Do you really believe Iran was/is not developing weapons since 2003??? Really?

If that's the case then there was no need for obama to buy em into staying stopped because they were already stopped! You seem extremely naive or just an outright puppet of left. Either way you're an enemy of US by your thinking.

My gosh

I feel I need to imitate Rebel T and call idiot on you?

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Sam is not an idiot by any stretch, nor is he a leftist. He's been a longtime advocate of peace with Iran. I disagree with him for various reasons, and you have yours, but you can stick to your points without throwing in the wrong labels and names.

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Well Iran is at war with us so peace is out of question

Know thy enemy

Sometimes brilliant people that immediately learn written word as if memorizing it can't answer simple addition in their head when asked

His views on Iran seem to resemble him being such an individual

Tons of democrats, today, suffer this affliction and it's dangerous for our country because Globalist/Socialists are infesting Democrat Party now

Democrat Party is host for Globalists

Given our won/loss and time of possession record in the Middle East, besides boomers (Florida Man), neocons, and the Left Behind cult, why wouldn't you be an advocate for peace with Iran?

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

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I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

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You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

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No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

---

According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

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I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

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It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

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What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

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There is ample evidence.

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Not really impressive, certainly not worth what was paid to Iran.

ValhallaBear said:

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Given our won/loss and time of possession record in the Middle East, besides boomers (Florida Man), neocons, and the Left Behind cult, why wouldn't you be an advocate for peace with Iran?

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Real peace, sure. Appeasement dressed up to look pretty for the media, no.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

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I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

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You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

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No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

---

According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

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I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

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It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

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What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

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There is ample evidence.

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Not really impressive, certainly not worth what was paid to Iran.

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UN inspections work. If we're really interested in containing their nuclear program, that's how it's done.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

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I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

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You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

---

No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

---

According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

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I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

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It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

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What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

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There is ample evidence.

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Not really impressive, certainly not worth what was paid to Iran.

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UN inspections work. If we're really interested in containing their nuclear program, that's how it's done.

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No, trusting the UN in this kind of venture is like trusting the Hell's Angels to valet your car.

ValhallaBear said:

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Given our won/loss and time of possession record in the Middle East, besides boomers (Florida Man), neocons, and the Left Behind cult, why wouldn't you be an advocate for peace with Iran?

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Peace is impossible with this enemy. The enemy is an ideology not just a country or organization. I'm in the get out, keep them in check when necessary, and let them continue to fight themselves into being marginalized, or when the people rise to overthrow the ideology and change camp.

And it was and always has been international legitimacy of their regime that Iran seeks in these peace dalliances. Meanwhile, the mission and techniques of their nation never changes.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

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I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

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You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

---

No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

---

According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

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I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

---

It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

---

What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

---

There is ample evidence.

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Not really impressive, certainly not worth what was paid to Iran.

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UN inspections work. If we're really interested in containing their nuclear program, that's how it's done.

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No, trusting the UN in this kind of venture is like trusting the Hell's Angels to valet your car.

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What are some examples of regimes that acquired nuclear weapons while under UN inspection?

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

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I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

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You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

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No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

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According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

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I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

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It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

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What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

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There is ample evidence.

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Not really impressive, certainly not worth what was paid to Iran.

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UN inspections work. If we're really interested in containing their nuclear program, that's how it's done.

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No, trusting the UN in this kind of venture is like trusting the Hell's Angels to valet your car.

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What are some examples of regimes that acquired nuclear weapons while under UN inspection?

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Pakistan has nuclear weapons. That one is a little bit scary!

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

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I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

---

You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

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No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

---

According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

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I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

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It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

---

What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

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There is ample evidence.

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Not really impressive, certainly not worth what was paid to Iran.

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UN inspections work. If we're really interested in containing their nuclear program, that's how it's done.

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No, trusting the UN in this kind of venture is like trusting the Hell's Angels to valet your car.

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What are some examples of regimes that acquired nuclear weapons while under UN inspection?

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Can't say in public, but there are 2 I know of that would qualify .

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

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I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

---

You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

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No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

---

According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

---

I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

---

It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

---

What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

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There is ample evidence.

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Not really impressive, certainly not worth what was paid to Iran.

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UN inspections work. If we're really interested in containing their nuclear program, that's how it's done.

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FYI

Document PROVES Iran was building nuclear weapon as far back as 2002

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7901827/Secret-document-PROVES-Iran-building-nuclear-weapon-far-2002.html

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

---

I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

---

You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

---

No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

---

According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

---

I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

---

It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

---

What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

---

There is ample evidence.

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Not really impressive, certainly not worth what was paid to Iran.

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UN inspections work. If we're really interested in containing their nuclear program, that's how it's done.

---

FYI

Document PROVES Iran was building nuclear weapon as far back as 2002

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7901827/Secret-document-PROVES-Iran-building-nuclear-weapon-far-2002.html

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You have a strange definition of "prove" if you think that headline is true (from the Daily Mail of all places, might as well post articles from the National Enquirer). The document (that Neyanyahu unveiled in 2018) shows they were working towards a weapon in 2002...which has always been common knowledge. US intel assesses the Iranians mothballed that program in 2005, and every relevant certifying entity has attested that Iran was in compliance with the deal even after Trump unilaterally blew it up. The catalyst for the rise in tensions we are seeing now was Trump withdrawing the US from the JCPOA, no matter how much Trump's supporters dont want it to be true.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

---

I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

---

You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

---

No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

---

According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

---

I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

---

It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

---

What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

---

There is ample evidence.

---

Not really impressive, certainly not worth what was paid to Iran.

---

UN inspections work. If we're really interested in containing their nuclear program, that's how it's done.

---

FYI

Document PROVES Iran was building nuclear weapon as far back as 2002

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7901827/Secret-document-PROVES-Iran-building-nuclear-weapon-far-2002.html

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To this fool going by Sam there is no proof

He's purposely misleading or totally naive

Either way conversation w him is a waste

Conversation with Sam is lost on you. Something about pearls and swine may apply.

Sam Lowery, though he doesnt agree with me often, is the most intelligent and honest poster on this board.

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Conversation with Sam is lost on you. Something about pearls and swine may apply.

Sam Lowery, though he doesnt agree with me often, is the most intelligent and honest poster on this board.

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..... but he just can't add 1+1 in his head

Finished IFY

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Conversation with Sam is lost on you. Something about pearls and swine may apply.

Sam Lowery, though he doesnt agree with me often, is the most intelligent and honest poster on this board.

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Truest statement in this thread.

Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Conversation with Sam is lost on you. Something about pearls and swine may apply.

Sam Lowery, though he doesnt agree with me often, is the most intelligent and honest poster on this board.

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Truest statement in this thread.

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^^^ Sad to see this

Oh well

Florda_mike said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Conversation with Sam is lost on you. Something about pearls and swine may apply.

Sam Lowery, though he doesnt agree with me often, is the most intelligent and honest poster on this board.

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Truest statement in this thread.

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^^^ Sad to see this

Oh well

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My friend.....Sam is an excellent contributor.

Might want to let this argument end .

Florda_mike said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Theres some strange math. If I have $125 would you say I had hundreds?

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That's funny indeed how you move goalposts from billions to $125 friggin bucks

You talk about honesty and do this in same sentence?

Gimme a dam break

Obama gave this separate $1.7B in cash!!! Cash

But it it doesn't include the $150B obama gave them from our us government that wasn't even denied

Obama, by that gift of $150+B, turned Iran from weak to strong again

Say what you fools want but all it was is a gift from one Muslim to a regime of Muslims. Regime in Iran buys its military off to now kill its' protesting citizens and dummycrats near, far and here rejoice in any works performed by their golden Muslim obama

And all that'll follow this post from local dummycrats(they'll say libertarian) is char chat chatter

---

I was wondering if you remembered the $150 billion. That didn't come from our government. It consisted of Iranian assets previously frozen under sanctions, of which maybe $50 billion was accessible in liquid form.

---

You wondered if I'd remember? Why didn't you bring it up? That's supremely dishonest isn't it?

It was released nearly 40 years later by our government upon orders from obama! The dummycrats golden Muslim!

Frame it how you want! Not even Clinton or Hillary brought it up but obama made it happen just as he strengthened all Muslim countries he possibly could

---

No, it's not dishonest. Dishonest is saying he gave them billions in cash.

---

According to anti Republican politifact: " The high-end estimate from the U.S. Treasury Department in 2015 was $56 billion"

So, "billions" seems accurate. Don't you agree?

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/

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No, because it was neither cash nor a gift.

---

I agree it was not a gift, however there WAS a significant amount in US currency, and it was not necessary to simply give that money to Iran with no conditions. This was plainly a mistake by President Obama, and while unintended, innocent lives were lost because of the way this money was used by Iran.

---

It was part of a negotiation. You give something to get something, in this case an agreement on nuclear weapons. That's something we claim to want.

---

What good thing did the US get out of sending all that money to Iran?

There's no evidence Iran complied with any of the treaty requirements, so at best this was a foolish money giveaway by the US, and again money that went to fund at least some terrorist groups.

---

There is ample evidence.

---

Not really impressive, certainly not worth what was paid to Iran.

---

UN inspections work. If we're really interested in containing their nuclear program, that's how it's done.

---

FYI

Document PROVES Iran was building nuclear weapon as far back as 2002

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7901827/Secret-document-PROVES-Iran-building-nuclear-weapon-far-2002.html

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To this fool going by Sam there is no proof

He's purposely misleading or totally naive

Either way conversation w him is a waste

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Let's keep it civil. Sam has been quite civil and there's no reason to act otherwise.

I posted an article and a headline. Neither is an attack. Debates are possible without personal attacks and quite a lot more enjoyable.

You've been here a little over a week

Give it time and you may see my point

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Florda_mike said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Conversation with Sam is lost on you. Something about pearls and swine may apply.

Sam Lowery, though he doesnt agree with me often, is the most intelligent and honest poster on this board.

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Truest statement in this thread.

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^^^ Sad to see this

Oh well

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My friend.....Sam is an excellent contributor.

Might want to let this argument end .

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Disagree on Sam being an excellent poster

Sam is very naive

I'm not

And I'm certainly not one to lay down and allow LIQ to compare me to swine and Old Bear to agree

Would you?

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You've been here a little over a week

Give it time and you may see my point

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In that time, I've not seen him be uncivil. What you put out often gets returned in kind.

Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Conversation with Sam is lost on you. Something about pearls and swine may apply.

Sam Lowery, though he doesnt agree with me often, is the most intelligent and honest poster on this board.

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Truest statement in this thread.

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^^^ Sad to see this

Oh well

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My friend.....Sam is an excellent contributor.

Might want to let this argument end .

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Disagree on Sam being an excellent poster

Sam is very naive

I'm not

And I'm certainly not one to lay down and allow LIQ to compare me to swine and Old Bear to agree

Would you?

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Sam is far better read than myself. I don't consider him naive in the least .

As long as my wife, kids and grandkids tolerate me....it's a rare day that anything else matters.

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Conversation with Sam is lost on you. Something about pearls and swine may apply.

Sam Lowery, though he doesnt agree with me often, is the most intelligent and honest poster on this board.

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Truest statement in this thread.

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^^^ Sad to see this

Oh well

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My friend.....Sam is an excellent contributor.

Might want to let this argument end .

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Disagree on Sam being an excellent poster

Sam is very naive

I'm not

And I'm certainly not one to lay down and allow LIQ to compare me to swine and Old Bear to agree

Would you?

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Sam is far better read than myself. I don't consider him naive in the least .

As long as my wife, kids and grandkids tolerate me....it's a rare day that anything else matters.

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Nope nope and nope on your 3 sentences and neither was needed for me about Sam as well as that on yourself. In fact, stop being so "tolerable!" That's no fun, ya only live once, and true friends don't need that. We love YOU without that, at least I do here!

Although your humility then politeness then humbleness in your 3 sentences might be considered attractive to some here, it's just not necessary for friendship with me. I dig honesty

On topic, Sam's statements to me on this thread, indicate extreme naivety, even dangerous! Several of you(as well as myself) accuse him of high intelligence otherwise so we have to go w Sam being naive then. Naivety coupled w intelligence I've found not uncommon on boards such as this btw. Wealth often allows such if missing a lifetime of trials but idk what the case is w ole Sam. I've found this almost common with many Baylor alum though(not my close childhood friends) as we both know that tuition there has never been and never was on the cheap. My guess, judging from many of your opines and my suspicions is ole Sam is just dangerously naive in lacking any suspicions of wrongdoing in Iran. Maybe Sam lacks life's trials, idk. I'm sure this will stimulate conversation among the Baylor's about their life struggles? Many have had them but not all

Sam is among the last I'd want to "have my back" if in war(especially against the deceitful Muslim and/or Iran) if he considers Iran's Suleimani an "innocent victim" along w Iran to be nuke and even nuke program free since 2003. That's dangerous thinking as not even obama thought such. Maybe some of you should ask yourselves that before addressing Sam with ridiculously unmatched respect ...... as well as me with such disrespect!

If I had your back you'd be much safer than with Sam. I wouldn't trust Sam to do the math on that but you can trust mine in that you'd be 100% safer with me at your side in battle vs it being Sam!

Sic em should pay my admission here as I'm sure the above post will encourage at least 5 more direct or indirect challenges(maybe 25-30?) and allow Sicem to survive another day

LMAO

Appreciate the kind words from most of you. Getting back on topic...

RD2: Pakistan wasn't a party to the NPT and wasn't subject to inspections.

Bearitto: According to the IAEA, the program you refer to "did not advance beyond feasibility and scientific studies, and the acquisition of certain relevant technical competences and capabilities." It was already public knowledge when the JCPOA was drafted, and in fact that knowledge was part of the basis for the nuclear deal's inspection protocols.